Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2008-04-22

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09:51 riffraff hi
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11:53 xinming TimToady: In perl 6, will there be a unbless fuction built-in please?
11:56 xinming TimToady: Since when we do bless $ref, $class, will make a object, will we be able to unbless the object and turn it into a nromal structure? In perl 5, there is an unbless implemention. But not built-in, Just hope if they can be built-in.
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14:31 TimToady xinming: the problem is that "everything is an object" in perl 6, so all you can do is turn it into a different object, like an Array. :)
14:35 syle in perl6 for high concurrency servers we looking at threading implementation or events?
14:35 syle http://www.usenix.org/events/hotos03/tech/ful​l_papers/vonbehren/vonbehren_html/index.html
14:35 lambdabot Title: HotOS IX &#151; Paper, http://tinyurl.com/gd5hv
14:36 TimToady both, at different levels in your program
14:36 TimToady sometimes it's easier to express what you want in threads, and sometimes in events
14:37 TimToady see http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~​lipeng/homepage/unify.html
14:37 lambdabot Title: Unifying events and threads
14:38 [particle2 also see http://svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk​/docs/pdds/pdd25_concurrency.pod and /docs/pdds/pdd24_events.pod
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14:57 xinming TimToady: thanks for the clarification, I forgot about that "Every thing in perl 6 is an object".
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20:04 rindolf Hi all.
20:04 rindolf TimToady: here?
20:04 rindolf TimToady: have you looked at Arc yet? It's a very cool Lisp dialect, IMO.
20:04 rindolf TimToady: but it has a lot to go until it's usable.
20:09 pmurias rindolf: what cool features does arc have?
20:09 rindolf pmurias: well, its primary selling point is that its very succinct.
20:09 rindolf pmurias: also it has (+ for concat, addition, etc. like in Python.
20:10 rindolf pmurias: which while not suitable for Perl, I feel it belongs in Lisp.
20:10 rindolf pmurias: at the moment it's lacking a lot of stuff.
20:11 pmurias + for concat sucks
20:12 rindolf pmurias: and for example you can do (with (msg "Hello" id 1) (def myfunc () (+ msg id))) to define a global function which is a closure.
20:12 rindolf pmurias: like { my $msg = "Hello" ; my $id = 0 ; sub { ... } } in Perl.
20:12 rindolf pmurias: and it has macros.
20:14 pmurias it's my $id = 1 in perl ;)
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20:16 rindolf pmurias: it's not tested.
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20:22 pmurias looked at python code i wrote when i was 13 today ;)
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20:28 wolverian pmurias, python 1? :)
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20:28 pmurias wolverian: i'm 18 ;)
20:28 wolverian eek.
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20:33 pmurias so it was python 2.3
20:35 ispy_ barf...
20:35 ispy_ sorry, excuse me...
20:36 pmurias ispy_: shouldn't mention python here?
20:37 ispy_ haha...
20:38 ispy_ Nah... just messing.  I code in Python for work a bit.  Although, it's obvious what I prefer :)
20:39 wolverian I don't get a barf reaction from python anymore, really
20:39 wolverian either my standards have lowered or matlab just showed me what a truly terrifying language is like
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20:40 wolverian only individual features make me barf nowadays :) (like the 'self.' spam in python)
20:43 ispy_ haha... That's true.  I've actually learned to like the language.  I just won't do anything serious with it unless I have too.
20:43 ispy_ For work I pretty much stick with Perl, C, Python... in that order.
20:43 ispy_ For pleasure, Perl 90% of the time unless the solution calls for C.
20:45 ispy_ My C skills could use a little sharpening too.
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20:46 xinming I ever wish to learn python after I think I "learnt" perl. Later, I was amazed by perl's ability of expression, and also with it's so flexible syntax, I never think about python again. ;-)
20:46 ispy_ One of the major reasons why I love Perl :)
20:47 ispy_ However, it's one of Perl's major downfalls too... but that's really subject to opinion and style.
20:47 ispy_ Obviously, *we* see it as a strength.  I know I do.
20:50 xinming I think people who like perl is kind of person who like too many features from all programming language. ;-)
20:52 pmurias it's better then missing the crucial one
20:53 pmurias c++ has a lot of features too, but I wouldn't say I like it
20:54 [particle] i really liked c++ in 1994
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22:02 wolverian reading the lojban grammar makes me think of perl6..
22:06 Tene I wrote most of a lojban grammar in Perl 6 rules.
22:06 Tene not sure where it is anymore, though.
22:06 wolverian how'd the longest token matching go?
22:07 Tene I don't recall having problems with it.
22:07 Tene Don't think I quite got finished translating it, though.
22:07 wolverian mm
22:07 Tene It was based off of the PEG
22:10 wolverian oh, cool
22:12 wolverian I want to see a graph of that :)
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22:28 Tene Hmm... I wonder if I finished my script to generate pictures of rakudo's grammar.
22:28 Tene I have a graph of rakudo's grammar and STD.pm, if you'd like.
22:32 wknight8111 i would actually like to see that
22:32 wknight8111 probably a pretty big graph
22:32 wolverian sure
22:33 Tene Bah, now I have to find them.  Jerk.
22:34 [particle] tene-- # opening your big fat mouth :)
22:34 Tene ... apparently my apartment is offline.
22:35 Tene Nevermind, I guess.  I hope my roommate just tripped over the ethernet cable again or something equally easy to fix.
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