Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2008-04-27

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05:47 clkao pmichaud: yes, Perl6::Declare
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14:34 Muixirt hi
14:35 Muixirt is there a way to build pugs with ghc version 6.6.1 ?
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14:36 syle is it possible to do async connect() with IO::Socket in perl5?
14:42 allbery_b syle: this channel is for perl 6 development.  try #perl for perl 5 questions
14:43 Muixirt hi allbery_b
14:44 allbery_b I haven't managed to get pugs to build in a long time... have heard someone was supposed to be working on fixing it, but that's all I know about it :(
14:45 Muixirt ok allbery_b
14:45 * Muixirt wonders about the status of pugs
14:53 allbery_b essentially defunct; it served its purpose but development has moved on.  parrot/rakudo is developing quickly, the pugs repo hosts the gtest suite, the Perl-6.0.0-STD specification, and "elf" which is a stage in an iterative self-bootstrapping system which is ultimately supposed to compile Perl-6.0.0-STD
14:53 allbery_b I gather audreyt is sort of back part time, and is splitting pugs up into useful bits that can be reused elsewhere
14:54 allbery_b (I think Pugs reched the point where it would have to be rewritten from scratch to catch up with the spec)
14:57 Muixirt i wonder if someone has listed somewhere the insights that came out of developing pugs
14:59 allbery_b I don't think so, not as such.  most of them were figuring out what works and what doesn't from a language standpoint (i.e. what constructs are usable and what to change to make others usable)
14:59 allbery_b as such they're mostly reflected in the synopses and the 6.0.0-STD spec
15:03 Muixirt i especially mean the insights into the shortcomings of pugs
15:07 allbery_b I think the main issue there is Pugs was audreyt's baby, and when health forced her to drop out it stopped where it was, while the perl6 spec moved on
15:08 allbery_b not many people besides audreyt understand the implementation.  (even if they understand Haskell.  I was able to do some stuff with it but other things defeated me, for example there's something odd about the way the parser is implemented)
15:11 allbery_b there were some things I tried to do that looked like they should work but have complex interrelationships such that making certain changes broke not-obviously-related aspects fo the parser
15:17 Muixirt ok thanks
15:19 allbery_b (some of it led to language reformulations, e.g. the Perl5-style filetests turned out to have too many interactions with parsing other things and were dropped in favor of adverbs (e.g. -r became :r)
15:20 allbery_b the reuslt is arguably more perl6-ish, albeit foreign to perl5 folks.  (syle:  this is one reason #perl6 is not the place to ask perl5 questions)
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15:44 Muixirt bbl
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17:37 cj is it done yet?
17:38 * cj ducks
17:39 wolverian yes, my thesis is...
17:39 wolverian thanks for asking :)
17:40 qmole congrats
17:41 wolverian thanks :)
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19:29 Limbic_Region salutations all
19:30 Auzon Hi
19:35 Limbic_Region YAPC::NA is just around the corner
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19:41 Auzon Oh, is that the one that has the Parrot hackathon?
19:43 Tene yeah
19:44 Limbic_Region I will be there for pre/post hackathon activities
19:45 Tene I plan to be there for the whole thing.
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19:47 rindolf Hi all.
19:47 Limbic_Region oh, has anyone read John M. Dlugosz's paper on p6's polymorphism?
19:47 rindolf Hi Limbic_Region
19:47 Limbic_Region http://www.dlugosz.com/Perl6/
19:47 lambdabot Title: Perl 6
19:47 rindolf Limbic_Region: are you subscribed to advocacy@perl.org?
19:47 Limbic_Region salutations rindolf
19:47 Limbic_Region rindolf - I do not believe so - no
19:47 rindolf Limbic_Region: is the weather nice outside?
19:47 rindolf Limbic_Region: ah, OK.
19:47 Limbic_Region not today, it was beautiful yesterday though
19:48 rindolf Limbic_Region: we had a bit of a flamewar.
19:48 rindolf Limbic_Region: ah, OK.
19:48 rindolf Limbic_Region: it was very nice day, but I had work to do. :-(
19:48 rindolf The spring is turning into Summer here.
19:49 Limbic_Region who is "we"
19:49 rindolf Limbic_Region: well, technically I Started it.
19:50 rindolf Limbic_Region: but it was very civilised until Elaine Ashton joined.
19:50 rindolf Limbic_Region: http://www.mail-archive.com/advocacy%40perl.org/msg02161.html - if you're that interested.
19:50 lambdabot Title: Updating http://history.perl.org/PerlTimeline.html
19:55 rindolf Limbic_Region: what's up?
19:55 rindolf Limbic_Region: how is your kid doing?
19:58 * Limbic_Region just finished reading the thread
19:58 * Limbic_Region laughs
19:59 rindolf Limbic_Region: heh.
19:59 rindolf That's HFB for you.
19:59 Limbic_Region rindolf - kids, plural.  They are both doing fine
19:59 rindolf Limbic_Region: OK.
19:59 rindolf Limbic_Region: how old are they?
19:59 Limbic_Region rindolf - http://www.gatcomb.org/age.cgi
19:59 rindolf Limbic_Region: Arabic and Hebrew has a special form for "Two".
19:59 lambdabot Title: The Gatcomb Girl Ages
20:00 rindolf Limbic_Region: though in Hebrew this form is normally considered archaic.
20:00 rindolf Limbic_Region: I see.
20:00 rindolf Limbic_Region: can Jasmine talk yet?
20:01 Limbic_Region Jasmine has been speaking in complete sentences for some time now
20:01 rindolf Limbic_Region: oh, nice.
20:01 Limbic_Region heck, read http://www.gatcomb.org/joshua/2008/04/when-your-2-year-old-knows-mor.html
20:01 lambdabot Title: When your 2 year old knows more than you - Joshua, http://tinyurl.com/5ln2zb
20:02 rindolf Limbic_Region: heh, nice.
20:02 rindolf Limbic_Region: how did she learn Spanish?
20:03 Limbic_Region Dora The Explorer
20:03 rindolf Limbic_Region: it's a good idea to talk to young children in as many languges as possible.
20:03 rindolf Limbic_Region: a show on T.V.?
20:03 Limbic_Region yes
20:03 Limbic_Region rindolf - yes, I know - she will be multi-lingual
20:03 rindolf Limbic_Region: OK.
20:04 Limbic_Region the other day she made up a story for me:  "Once upon a time, there was a princess - the end".  "That's a good story Daddy"
20:04 rindolf Limbic_Region: my oldest second nephew is very intelligent for his age.
20:04 Limbic_Region in any event, the channel should probably be kept on topic
20:04 rindolf He could eject the CD tray and give me the DVD last year.
20:04 rindolf And this year he is able to operate a digital camera.
20:05 Limbic_Region kids are amazing
20:06 rindolf Limbic_Region: you should also talk to her in Perl 5 and Perl 6.
20:06 rindolf ;-)
20:06 * Limbic_Region wanders off
20:06 rindolf Limbic_Region: bye.
20:06 Limbic_Region TTFN rindolf - nice chatting with you
20:06 rindolf Limbic_Region: likewise.
20:07 rindolf Ta ta for now?
20:07 Limbic_Region yes, from winnie the pooh
20:07 rindolf Limbic_Region: ah.
20:07 rindolf Limbic_Region: haven't read it yet.
20:07 rindolf Maybe I'll order it from Amazon.
20:07 rindolf Or something.
20:07 Limbic_Region it's a kid's story - and there isn't just 1 book
20:08 rindolf Limbic_Region: I know, I know.
20:08 rindolf Limbic_Region: still, I have a thing for children's literature.
20:08 rindolf Even as an adult.
20:08 Limbic_Region oh, today is the end of passover - /me extends whatever the proper greeting is for that and wanders off to spend the rest of his weekend with his girls
20:08 Limbic_Region TTFN
20:08 * Limbic_Region AFK &
20:09 rindolf At the moment I'm reading "The Virtue of Selfishness" and "I am Charlotte Simmons" by Tom Wolfe, but find it hard to keep up with both.
20:09 rindolf Limbic_Region: "Happy Mimuna"
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