Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2008-04-28

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06:55 pugs_svnbot r20312 | clkao++ | defer the actual bindings in Data::Bind::Sig::bind after we
06:55 pugs_svnbot r20312 | clkao++ | figure out what and where to bind for everything.
06:55 pugs_svnbot diff: http://dev.pugscode.org/changeset/20312
06:55 lambdabot Title: Changeset 20312 - Pugs - Trac
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07:02 pugs_svnbot r20313 | nothingmuch++ | refactor and expand tabs
07:02 pugs_svnbot diff: http://dev.pugscode.org/changeset/20313
07:02 lambdabot Title: Changeset 20313 - Pugs - Trac
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08:02 pugs_svnbot r20314 | clkao++ | * split bind() into prelare and finalize binding.
08:02 pugs_svnbot r20314 | clkao++ | * provide all_variable_names method.
08:02 pugs_svnbot diff: http://dev.pugscode.org/changeset/20314
08:02 lambdabot Title: Changeset 20314 - Pugs - Trac
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12:42 ludan hi
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17:45 nwc10 does pugs implement state?
17:45 nwc10 I've build rakudo and it does not :-(
17:45 PerlJam so implement it for rakudo or bug the people working on rakudo for it.
17:46 nwc10 that wasn't actually an answer to my question.
17:46 PerlJam The best way to find out if pugs groks state is to either read the source or compile pugs and run a test program.
17:47 nwc10 I'm not in an easy position to compile pugs - I don't that that I have access to any machine with ghc on
17:47 nwc10 the pugs evalbot died a long time ago?
17:47 PerlJam pugs seems to parse state just fine.
17:48 nwc10 cool. thanks. I'll bug someone to install ghc
17:48 nwc10 so that I can (at some point) write regression tests for 5.11
17:49 PerlJam doesn't look like pugs groks initializer semantics though.
17:50 PerlJam oh, wait.  Yes is does
17:50 PerlJam s/is/it/
17:50 PerlJam silly me for writing a bogus test.
17:52 Tene nwc10: You should try asking about state in #parrot on irc.perl.org
17:54 nwc10 thanks
17:54 PerlJam yikes.  someone needs to update the parrot installed on feather.
17:54 PerlJam $ /usr/bin/parrot --version
17:54 PerlJam This is parrot version 0.4.5-devel (r13933) built for i386-linux.
17:55 Juerd PerlJam: How about I give you access to do it yourself? :)
17:55 PerlJam Juerd: I was hoping you weren't listening  ;)  Sure, go ahead.
17:56 Juerd I have a highlight on "feather". Now you can avoid it in the future ;)
17:56 PerlJam heh
17:56 Juerd What is your login?
17:56 PerlJam duff
17:56 Juerd Your job description is now "keeping parrot up to date"
17:57 Juerd Let me know when/if you no longer want that
17:57 Juerd You may use sudo now
17:57 PerlJam wait a second ... I forgot about feather's split personality.  Where is it describe what the various feathers are for?
17:58 PerlJam (hoping I'm just on the wrong one  ;)
17:58 Juerd Er, nowhere actually.
17:58 Juerd feather0 - domain 0 to manage the other feathers
17:58 Juerd feather1 - semi-public access shell box
17:58 Juerd feather2 - for important stuff like repositories and websites, but nobody is using this yet
17:58 Juerd feather3 - for dangerous stuff like evalbots
17:59 Juerd In general, bare "feather" refers to feather1.
17:59 PerlJam right, so does that mean I have sudo on them all or just feather1?
17:59 Juerd 1
17:59 PerlJam gotcha
17:59 Juerd If you need access to the other feathers, let me know. feather0 is Juerd only :)
17:59 PerlJam well, why isn't anyone using feather2?
18:00 Juerd Because nobody has tuits to move things around.
18:00 Juerd It was invented for the Pugs repository, the Pugs website, Commitbit, etc.
18:00 Juerd It takes either someone who knows how those things work, or someone with sufficient tuits to find out.
18:01 Juerd And of course additional tuits to actually do it.
18:01 PerlJam My tuits are small and constantly interrupted by my wife or kids, so I may be able to pile enough of them together to do something useful with feather2 at some point.
18:01 Juerd Neat!
18:01 PerlJam anyway, that's for another day.  right now, I need to stop procrastinating and get back to work.
18:01 pugs_svnbot r20315 | clkao++ | support default values.
18:01 pugs_svnbot diff: http://dev.pugscode.org/changeset/20315
18:01 lambdabot Title: Changeset 20315 - Pugs - Trac
18:02 PerlJam talk to you all later
18:02 * PerlJam &
18:02 Juerd See ya, and thanks in advance for updating parrot
18:03 ruoso if someone is subscribed to perl6-all only... is there some restriction on posting to the other lists? or it's just the lists that have a huuge delay?
18:04 Juerd The lists are moderated. The delay is dependent on the tuits of the moderators
18:04 ruoso oh... ok...
18:04 Juerd It may take up to a few days in severe circumstances.
18:04 ruoso all the traffic? or non-subscribers only?
18:04 Juerd Fortunately they do whitelist :)
18:05 Juerd IIRC all not previously whitelisted posters, but perhaps subscribers are whitelisted automagically.
18:05 * ruoso wonders if subscribing to -all puts you in the whitelist already...
18:05 Juerd Very probably not.
18:06 Juerd I think they're individual lists
18:07 ruoso :/
18:07 * ruoso not in the mood for unsubscribing all and subscribing each one right now... :|
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18:09 pmurias Juerd: they are moderated against spam?
18:10 Juerd I don't know against what exactly
18:10 Juerd Probably spam, abuse, trolls, etc :0
18:11 * ruoso wonders if any moderators could be reached to whitelist me without having to switch the subscritions...
18:12 Juerd They'll see your message when they do their queue
18:12 Juerd If you need speedier communication NOW, you could bounce your message to other members manually.
18:12 ruoso nah... it's not that important... (if it makes there in any reasonable amount of time)
18:13 * ruoso bbl &
18:14 [particle] Juerd: i have little excuse not to ask for similar access
18:15 [particle] *to PerlJam
18:16 Juerd [particle]: What role description can I jot down for you? :)
18:16 Juerd (Recorded in /etc/sudoers)
18:17 [particle] parrot underlord.
18:17 Juerd Translate it to sysadmin speak please :)
18:17 Juerd Does this mean keeping it updated?
18:17 Juerd Testing? Bashing? :)
18:17 [particle] i wanna make sure parrot and rakudo are up to date and functional
18:21 Juerd Ok!
18:21 Juerd pasteling: You can now sudo
18:21 Juerd And thanks :)
18:21 [particle] pasteling probably won't do much sudoing :)
18:22 [particle] and thank you!
18:22 Juerd Er... The other pa[tab]
18:23 Juerd It's the circumfix [] that gives you lower priority in irssi, I think
18:24 [particle] i had too many nick problems without the []
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18:33 Juerd [particle]: For the record, I'm not complaining :)
18:36 [particle] sure. i am. :)
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19:21 pmurias what data structure should be used for sets in the subset construction algorithm?
19:21 pmurias * which
19:22 pmurias sets of nfa states which should be maped to a given dfa state
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19:33 pmurias more generally what set representations can be efficiently used as hash keys
19:33 pmurias ?
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19:46 pmurias OT i hate google map api source code obfuscation, the errors from the api have really bad traces
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19:55 pmurias ruoso: what mailing list did you post to?
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19:55 ruoso pmurias, p6-lang
19:56 ruoso but it seems it wasn't approved yet...
19:59 pmurias :(
20:03 ruoso pmurias, it was a reply to the polymorphism thread...
20:04 ruoso a clarification about how p6 matches types...
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20:12 pmurias how's the web app going?
20:15 ruoso it's being a neat project...
20:15 ruoso I'm implementing it using SOAP over XMPP with Catalyst
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20:20 ruoso pmurias, btw... the message got through...
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20:38 sehnlv OT for a brush up on c/c++
20:38 sehnlv what do you guys suggest i start with
20:45 mofino a gun
20:52 sehnlv heh
20:59 pmurias sehnlv: you mean a book?
21:05 Tene sehnlv: you could do some work on Parrot. ;)
21:30 sehnlv yeah
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