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Refinement to LTM tiebreaking rules so that foo matches before \w\w\w and fo\w matches before f\w\w. |
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r32911 | allison++ | [cage] Fix coding standards failures aside from SQLite copyright. |
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bacek_ |
perl6: say 1i ~~ Num |
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p6eval |
pugs: No output (you need to produce output to STDOUT) |
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p6eval |
..elf 23046: OUTPUT[Can't call method "Str" on an undefined value at ./elf_f line 649. at ./elf_f line 3861] |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 32919: OUTPUT[0] |
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bacek_ |
something wrong with 'pugs' in p6eval... |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say %*VM<config>.keys.perl |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32926: OUTPUT[["i_vfork", "i_syssocket", "ar", "as", "has_gdbm", "-Wnot-a-real-warning", "i_locale", "-Wformat-extra-args", "mandir", "-Wmissing-braces", "i_dld", "-Wall", "i_float", "pmc", "i_sysioctl", "share_ext", "osname", "perldoc", "lex", "i_stdarg", "HAS_SNPRINTF", "make_and", |
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p6eval |
.."-Wstrict... |
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rakudo: say %?VM<config><osname> |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32926: OUTPUT[Lexical '%?VM' not foundcurrent instr.: '_block11' pc 23 (EVAL_12:17)] |
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jimmy_ |
rakudo: say %*VM<config><osname> |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32926: OUTPUT[linux] |
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lambdabot |
azawawi: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. |
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azawawi |
@messages |
08:39 |
lambdabot |
wayland76 said 20h 47m 52s ago: For clues about moritz_'s thesis, see http://moritz.faui2k3.org/en/uni (but I don't know what his thesis is either :) ) |
08:40 |
moritz_ |
good morning |
08:40 |
moritz_ |
(my thesis is about spin transport phaenomena in mesoscopic systems. Weird stuff.) |
08:40 |
azawawi |
works with p6? ;-) |
08:41 |
moritz_ |
no |
08:41 |
azawawi |
so parrot will be production quality by 2010 |
08:42 |
azawawi |
moritz_: where can i find the rakudo spec passed/failed graph? |
08:42 |
moritz_ |
http://rakudo.de/ |
08:42 |
lambdabot |
Title: Rakudo - A Perl 6 Compiler |
08:43 |
azawawi |
thx |
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pugs_svn |
r23047 | jnthn++ | [spectest] Fix line ending issues and set svn:eol-style native on S12-class/basic.t. |
15:43 |
moritz_ |
rakudo: say 010 + 010 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32938: OUTPUT[Leading 0 does not indicate octal in Perl 6Leading 0 does not indicate octal in Perl 620] |
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masak |
Rakudo++ |
15:47 |
moritz_ |
rakudo++ indeed |
15:49 |
masak |
moritz_: if I see a file in t/spec with underscores, should I change its name to something with dashes? or are there good reasons not to? |
15:50 |
moritz_ |
masak: if you do it, please do it for all at once, and adapt spectest.dat |
15:51 |
masak |
moritz_: that's a nice idea. |
15:51 |
masak |
I might do it later today, no promises. :) |
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TimToady |
std: 010+ |
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p6eval |
std 23047: OUTPUT[############# PARSE FAILED #############(Possible runaway string from line 1 to line 1)Can't understand next input--giving up at /tmp/SGdr8R22kO line 0:------> [32m[31m[0m expecting prefix or nounOther potential difficulties: Leading 0 does not indicate octal in |
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p6eval |
..Perl... |
16:16 |
TimToady |
currently STD only reports the leading 0 if there was some other difficulty, but maybe it should do it all the time |
16:17 |
rindolf |
Someone I know from fc-solve-discuss created an Assembler where a leading 0 indicates Hexadecimal. |
16:17 |
moritz_ |
rindolf: even more fun ;) |
16:17 |
TimToady |
I blame the hindu-arabics :) |
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masak |
meanwhile, in the rest of the world, a leading 0 indicates nothing in particular. |
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rindolf |
What will a leading 0 signify in p6? |
16:21 |
TimToady |
nothing in particular |
16:21 |
moritz_ |
rindolf: a warning |
16:21 |
rindolf |
And octal will be 0o? |
16:21 |
TimToady |
or :8<...> |
16:21 |
moritz_ |
or .oO ;) |
16:21 |
rindolf |
I see. |
16:22 |
TimToady |
.oO(mental arithmatic goes here) |
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TimToady |
*arithmetic even |
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masak |
o_O |
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PerlJam |
Is being arithmatic like being arthritic in any way? |
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moritz_ |
arithmatic = arithmetic with arthritic brain? |
16:24 |
TimToady |
no, it's automatic arithmetic |
16:25 |
TimToady |
you're thinking of arithitis |
16:26 |
masak |
I think we have an arithmatic down in the lunch room. |
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moritz_ |
TimToady: yes. English can be so confusing from time to time ;) |
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TimToady |
and Chinese isn't even one language |
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TimToady |
all(@Chinese) == False |
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TimToady |
well, I wonder if I should do anything today... |
16:29 |
rindolf |
TimToady: contribute to en.wiktionary.org |
16:29 |
TimToady |
I meant, should I be doing something I should already be doing? :) |
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TimToady |
I don't need new things in that category... |
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rakudo_svn |
r32941 | coke++ | Resolve RT#60592 ; rename :lexid to :subid |
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r32941 | coke++ | |
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rakudo_svn |
r32941 | coke++ | change docs, PIR syntax, and internal C structure that housed the data. |
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PerlJam |
TimToady: release a perl 6 compiler that's "official" ;-) |
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masak |
PerlJam: what do you think we've been doing all this time? |
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PerlJam |
masak: yeah, but he should do it *today* :) |
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perl6 |
please, release me! |
16:33 |
masak |
...just to up the stakes a bit, eh? |
16:34 |
masak |
someone should make a webcomic about poor little perl6 being held prisoner underground by the Perl community, for fear of what it might do if let out. |
16:34 |
moritz_ |
masak: nice idea ;) |
16:34 |
[particle] |
sounds a bit like serenity |
16:34 |
PerlJam |
I like how "git diff master..lex4" shows me trailing whitespace in red. |
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masak |
[particle]: I haven't got to that series yet. I hear it's good though. |
16:35 |
[particle] |
pj: my .vimrc shows me trailing ws in red |
16:35 |
[particle] |
masak: hulu.com has them all |
16:35 |
masak |
moritz_: the phrase 'please, release me' would figure in every installment. |
16:35 |
masak |
[particle]: noted. |
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PerlJam |
[particle]: for all files or just certain ones? |
16:37 |
masak |
[particle]: "We're sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed within the United States." |
16:37 |
[particle] |
pj: all files. i hate all trailing ws equally, but it could be configured per-filetype i suppose |
16:37 |
PerlJam |
This is the first time I've noticed trailing whitespace of any kind (since usually it's invisible :) |
16:37 |
[particle] |
masak :( |
16:37 |
masak |
indeed. |
16:37 |
[particle] |
PerlJam: pugs repo is full of it, unfortunately |
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PerlJam |
does it really bother you that much? |
16:38 |
PerlJam |
I'm still in the position of wonder why anyone even cares. |
16:38 |
PerlJam |
s/wonder/wondering/ |
16:41 |
TimToady |
.oO(if purl were here, I'm sure she'd have some opinions about the merits/demerits of cage cleaning) |
16:42 |
* masak |
is glad purl isn't here |
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[particle] |
perljam: it messes with my ability to edit files quickly. if i go to the end of the line, my cursor isn't over the semicolon, it's to the right of it by some number of invisible characters |
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[particle] |
so, i have a ',ts' vim macro that removes all trailing space in a file |
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r23048 | lwall++ | [gimme5] switch back to YAML::Syck till YAML::XS is fixed |
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pugs_svn |
r23048 | lwall++ | [viv] allow input from stdin |
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r23048 | lwall++ | [STD] always report worries for now |
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masak |
I know what's going on in the following piece of code, but I would like for someone to tell me whether this shloud work: |
22:01 |
masak |
rakudo: my $cl = { "$^name upcased becomes {$^name.uc}" }; say $cl("larry") |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32961: OUTPUT[too few arguments passed (0) - 1 params expectedcurrent instr.: '_block26' pc 191 (EVAL_12:69)] |
22:02 |
masak |
s/shloud/should/ |
22:03 |
moritz_ |
why shouldn't it work? |
22:03 |
masak |
moritz_: because the thing inside the string is also a closure. |
22:03 |
moritz_ |
rakudo: my $cl = { $^a ~ $^a }; say $cl("b") |
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p6eval |
rakudo 32961: OUTPUT[bb] |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: my $cl = { $^a ~ { $^a }.() }; say $cl("b") |
22:03 |
p6eval |
rakudo 32961: OUTPUT[too few arguments passed (0) - 1 params expectedcurrent instr.: '_block23' pc 167 (EVAL_14:65)] |
22:03 |
masak |
moritz_: then you agree that it's a bit odd that it doesn't work? |
22:04 |
moritz_ |
ah, I see what you mean. |
22:04 |
masak |
should it or shouldn't it work? |
22:04 |
moritz_ |
but since you can't pass arguments to closures in strings, it makes most sense to use the outer closure's self-declared parameters |
22:04 |
masak |
I mean, there's no way to send arguments to a closure in a string anyway... |
22:04 |
masak |
right. |
22:04 |
* masak |
files rakudobug |
22:05 |
moritz_ |
I don't know if it's specced, from a dwim'miness POV it should work. |
22:05 |
masak |
aye |
22:05 |
jnthn |
masak: I think that's for the language list rather than rakudobug, IMO. |
22:05 |
masak |
jnthn: gotcha. |
22:05 |
masak |
(I already made the wrong call once today with sign()) |
22:06 |
jnthn |
I could also argue that keeping closure parameter semantics consistent is desirable, and saying that if you want a closrue that takes paratmers you can always do a pointy instead. |
22:06 |
jnthn |
erm |
22:06 |
jnthn |
Not closure paratmers, placeholder parameters. |
22:06 |
jnthn |
But yes, I see the other argument too. |
22:07 |
masak |
each time you say something worthwhile, I have to redo my text selection in the IRC buffer :P |
22:08 |
* moritz_ |
experienced the same thing a few times today already |
22:08 |
jnthn |
masak: That's OK, many of the times you say something worthwhile I have another Rakudo ticket to work on. ;-) |
22:08 |
masak |
so $^they are called 'placeholder parameters'? |
22:08 |
moritz_ |
;-) |
22:08 |
jnthn |
I believe so. |
22:09 |
masak |
jnthn: good thing I don't say something worthwhile that often, then :P |
22:09 |
masak |
either I've been losing speed lately, or rakudo's been getting more robust, or both. |
22:10 |
jnthn |
The proportion of the Perl 6 RT tickets you're the creator of suggests otherwise... ;-) |
22:10 |
jnthn |
I'd like to hope Rakudo is getting more robust. |
22:10 |
jnthn |
There can only be so many bugs, surely? :-) |
22:11 |
* moritz_ |
notices that real world hacking tends to catch very different bugs than the test suite |
22:12 |
jnthn |
Yeah. I do try these days to put something close to what the bug was into the test suite, or un-fudge a test that fixing that made pass. |
22:12 |
jnthn |
The second does happen a bit too. |
22:17 |
masak |
mail sent. |
22:20 |
masak |
now for the other bug I found... |
22:20 |
* masak |
grins evilly |
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masak |
http://gist.github.com/27262 |
23:10 |
lambdabot |
Title: gist: 27262 — GitHub |
23:11 |
masak |
I didn't work too hard trying to shrink the example further. |
23:11 |
pmichaud |
yet another lexicals bug. |
23:11 |
lambdabot |
pmichaud: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. |
23:11 |
masak |
pmichaud: aye, I knew you were going to say that :) |
23:11 |
pmichaud |
well, that's what it _is_ :-) |
23:11 |
masak |
well, sure. |
23:12 |
masak |
pmichaud: do you think it will sort itself out after the lex branches come merging back to trunk? |
23:12 |
pmichaud |
yes. |
23:12 |
masak |
good. |
23:12 |
pmichaud |
so far every lexical example that's been submitted seems to work in the lex branch |
23:12 |
masak |
very good. |
23:13 |
pmichaud |
right now we're just having trouble with context management (contexts being collected too soon or not at all) |
23:13 |
masak |
sounds tricky. |
23:13 |
jnthn |
Having seen, but not worked on, the code in question I can say it almost certainly *is* tricky. |
23:14 |
pmichaud |
we're really close. |
23:15 |
masak |
pmichaud: as in, if I go to bed now I might have to backlog the merge? |
23:18 |
pmichaud |
you might. |
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* moritz_ |
risks missing the merge, and goes to bed now ;) |