Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2009-10-24

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01:03 xp_prg is anyone aware of a tool that can pull a web page off a server in such a way that it will work locally correcting all relative things etc...
01:08 PerlJam xp_prg: wget?
01:19 sjohnson xp_prg: firefox is the only way i know how to do it
01:19 sjohnson i dont know if will download all the img pics, etc
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01:23 PerlJam sjohnson: wget will do it.
01:23 PerlJam now you know of two ways
01:24 sjohnson sweet
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05:32 carlin Eugh. Changing recv is going to be messier than I thought ...
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05:56 * carlin will have to think about it more after $work
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07:44 sjohnson hello all
07:46 spinclad good globaltime(), sjohnson
07:46 sjohnson it is time i learn the Perl 6 ways
07:46 sjohnson hows it going simcop2387
07:46 sjohnson oops.. spinclad
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07:48 spinclad it goes well here, sjohnson
07:49 spinclad though others might wonder how i can call this 'well', i suppose
07:50 spinclad it's good to see Perl 6 strengthening and starting to blossom
07:52 spinclad i have some experiments with environment structure i want to finally do, more than just witnessing the joy
07:53 spinclad it is time, in spite of my scattered attention.
07:55 spinclad i'll make a first writeup in the next days
07:58 spinclad the dao of Perl 6 is indeed strong
07:59 spinclad and how goes it with you, sjohnson
08:01 sjohnson just thinking about perl
08:02 sjohnson ... perl 6 is a big deal
08:02 sjohnson :)
08:02 spinclad aye
08:06 colomon indeed.
08:08 colomon rakudo: say i;
08:08 p6eval rakudo 49e62f: OUTPUT«Could not find non-existent sub i␤in Main (file src/gen_setting.pm, line 295)␤»
08:08 colomon rakudo: say pi;
08:08 p6eval rakudo 49e62f: OUTPUT«3.14159265358979␤»
08:09 spinclad i needs adding
08:10 colomon Just noticing that from the Oct 07 design minutes.
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08:11 colomon ..and looking at how hard it would be to implement.
08:12 colomon as long as the hotel fire alarm has me up....
08:12 * colomon thinks they have finally stopped announcing that everything is okay, but is now pretty awake.
08:13 colomon rakudo: constant i = 1i; say i;
08:13 p6eval rakudo 49e62f: OUTPUT«0 + 1i␤»
08:13 colomon oooo, that seems promising.
08:18 colomon ... but does not work in the setting.  Bah,.
08:18 colomon I have a feeling this is one of those things pmichaud can do in his sleep.
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08:22 colomon I don't see any sign that there is a test for i yet.  But I think I'm ready to try going back to sleep...
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08:45 Su-Shee good morning. :)
08:45 sjohnson hi
08:45 moritz_ good morning all
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10:12 lichtkind jnthn: what you ment by  series operator ?
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10:44 moritz_ search for series in S03 :-)
10:45 moritz_ rakudo: .say for 1, 3 ... *+2, 9
10:45 p6eval rakudo 49e62f: OUTPUT«1␤3␤5␤7␤9␤»
10:47 markmont rakudo: try { fail("oh noes"); CATCH { say "caught"; } }
10:48 p6eval rakudo 49e62f: OUTPUT«caught␤»
10:48 markmont perl6: try { chdir("/no/such/directory"); CATCH { say "caught"; } }
10:48 p6eval pugs, rakudo 49e62f:  ( no output )
10:48 p6eval ..elf 28890: OUTPUT«Unknown rule: statement_control:CATCH␤It needs to be added to ast_handlers.␤ at ./elf_h line 2850␤»
10:48 markmont rakudo: try { chdir("/no/such/directory"); CATCH { say "caught"; } }
10:48 p6eval rakudo 49e62f:  ( no output )
10:49 markmont ...even though chdir() ends with     .tailcall '!FAIL'('Unable to change to directory "', newdir, '"')
10:49 markmont Bad understanding on my part?  Unimplemented feature?
10:52 moritz_ seems like a rakudo bug
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10:53 moritz_ markmont: could you please report it by sending a mail to rakudobug@perl.org?
10:53 markmont Will do, thanks.
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10:55 moritz_ thank you for reporting
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12:07 lichtkind moritz_: thanks
12:08 lichtkind moritz_: must be knew
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12:15 moritz_ somewhat, yes
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12:25 dalek book: 8d93fcb | moritz++ | src/regexes.pod:
12:25 dalek book: [RX] two typos noted by (Adrian White)++
12:25 dalek book: There are still two rendering bugs: For one C<^> is turned into ^{} in th PDF
12:25 dalek book: (for which I opened <https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=50794>, and
12:25 dalek book: the � and � are lost, because TeX doesn't know the file is encoded as UTF-8.
12:25 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/8d​93fcb88c06f9151e62ed8ebe2bc43f6137efb3
12:29 clkao win 27
12:32 avar dalek: you can define some macros to make tex grok utf8
12:34 moritz_ avar: I tried a \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}, but it produced a lot of unrelated build errors that I didn't understand
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13:00 pugs_svn r28891 | colomon++ | [t/spec] Add tests for i as 1i.
13:12 arnsholt moritz_: You could use the \og and \fg commands instead of literal UTF-8 guillemets?
13:13 arnsholt Although that might require some fiddling with babel to get the commands loaded
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13:16 colomon Seems like some hacking on Pod::PseudoPod::LaTeX may be needed?
13:25 arnsholt moritz_: If you use T1 fonts it turns out you can just write << and >> to get the guillemets
13:25 arnsholt Just like Perl 6 =)
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13:32 jsut is .isa() known to have problems with colons in class names?
13:35 lisppaste3 jsut pasted ".isa has problems with colons?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/89206
13:37 moritz_ arnsholt: I don't think I can use use that in POD
13:37 moritz_ jsut: looks like a bug, yes
13:38 jsut should / can i turn that into a failing test for you guys?
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13:38 moritz_ jsut: yes, please. And a ticket to rakudobug@perl.org
13:39 moritz_ jsut: if you want something that works, you can use the type name without the quotes
13:39 jsut i suppose i could look at the docs on rakudo.org to see how to send in the patch
13:40 jsut really.
13:40 jsut interesting ;)
13:40 jsut i didn't try that obviously
13:59 jsut the next rt ticket number is 70000
14:00 moritz_ and masak is not online ;-)
14:02 jsut does p6 have a use lib () yet?
14:02 moritz_ no, and it's not clear if it ever will
14:03 moritz_ because modules need to be organized differently from Perl 5
14:03 jsut right now to run my little tests i'm setting PERL6LIB in env, which i guess is what you need to do.
14:03 moritz_ for one to allow multiple versions of the same module
14:03 moritz_ the other reason is that the file system can't always represent every possible module name
14:03 jsut not having a concept like that seems like it'd make it harder for people to ship their own code.
14:04 moritz_ that intermediate plan is to install the modules to ~/.perl6/lib/
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14:06 jsut the "file systems not being able to represent every possible class name" bit could obviously be a big wrench in things
14:06 jsut at least if you're thinking about it from the p5 world.  i guess that happens in p5 anyway though since you can use UTF8 in package names
14:07 moritz_ another point is case sensitivty
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14:07 jsut yeah
14:08 jsut thanks for you help, i sent the bug and just attached the patch with new tests
14:08 jsut is that any better / worse than forking on github and sending pull requests?
14:11 moritz_ jsut: please send patches (from git-format-patch) to the bug tracker
14:12 moritz_ jsut: and the tests go into the pugs testsuite, I can give you commit access for that
14:12 moritz_ jsut: just tell me your desired nickname and your email address (by private message if you fear spam)
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14:16 moritz_ t/spec/S29-any/isa.t would be a good location
14:16 moritz_ the tests that are shipped with rakudo are just very basic sanity tests for thing we need in Test.pm
14:16 jsut ok
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14:18 moritz_ jsut: welcome, you should have an invitation in your inbox now or very soon
14:19 moritz_ jsut: it's a custom to add yourself to AUTHORS in the first commit
14:19 jsut okey
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14:32 pmurias moritz_: can't linux use utf8 file names?
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14:42 moritz_ pmurias: it can
14:43 moritz_ traditionally linux hasn't been the most troublesome platform for developers ;-)
14:43 moritz_ but for example there might still be length limits
14:53 pugs_svn r28892 | jsut++ | Tests for RT #69999, .isa on classes with colons in their names
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16:17 dalek book: 077ab7c | moritz++ | src/regexes.pod:
16:17 dalek book: [RX] more look-ahead, look-behind
16:17 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/07​7ab7c745acc9e1883a38f7e51637ec477c4df3
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16:35 dalek book: 0116ca3 | moritz++ | src/grammars.pod:
16:35 dalek book: [grammars] explain grammar inheritance
16:35 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/01​16ca3e0680c51fee4b24e8dae4c216cbecdba9
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23:55 pugs_svn r28893 | kyle++ | [t/spec] label and fudge new tests from jsut++

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