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arnsholt |
In protoregexes, is the stuff after the colon required to be sum<whatever>? |
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jnthn |
:foo<whatever> generally |
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jnthn |
But we use :sym<whatever> generally, not sure how far nqp supports doing otherwise. |
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jnthn |
But then you can use <sym> inside the regex |
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arnsholt |
Only one way to find out, I suppose |
| 00:03 |
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arnsholt |
nqp: grammar T { proto token foo { <...> }; token foo:x<y> { a }; token TOP { foo+ } }; say(T.parse("aaa")); |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«» |
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arnsholt |
nqp: grammar T { proto token foo { <...> }; token foo:x<y> { a }; token TOP { <foo>+ } }; say(T.parse("aaa")); |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«» |
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arnsholt |
nqp: grammar T { proto token foo { <...> }; token foo:sym<y> { a }; token TOP { <foo>+ } }; say(T.parse("aaa")); |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«aaa» |
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arnsholt |
I guess that's a no |
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arnsholt |
nqp: grammar T { proto token foo { a }; token foo:sym<b> { b }; token TOP { <foo>+ } }; say(T.parse("abab")); |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«Proto regex body must be <...> at line 1, near "{ a }; tok"current instr.: 'parrot;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (src/cheats/hll-grammar.pir:197)» |
| 01:12 |
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arnsholt |
nqp: grammar T { token foo-bar { foobar }; token TOP { <foo-bar> } }; say(T.parse("foobar")); |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 1current instr.: 'parrot;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (src/Regex/Cursor-builtins.pir:179)» |
| 01:13 |
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arnsholt |
Doesn't look like nqp likes subrule calls with - in them. Known issue? |
| 01:13 |
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jnthn |
Not sure if known. Looks odd. |
| 01:14 |
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jnthn |
oh |
| 01:14 |
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jnthn |
I think I ran into that one before actually... |
| 01:14 |
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jnthn |
But not with regex |
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jnthn |
But a named arg instead |
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jnthn |
Must be the identifier rule in general. |
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jnthn |
huh...how is it 3am...oh...daylight savings...whoa. |
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lichtkind |
perl 6 has no references, is it possible to have in one variable a complex data structure and pointing with another deep inside that? |
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phenny |
U+2424 SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE () |
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vamped |
.u ␣ |
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phenny |
U+2423 OPEN BOX (␣) |
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pugssvn |
r30224 | moritz++ | [t/spec] test for RT #72960, Null PMC access when doing [].WHAT.say |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say 2 Z 3 |
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p6eval |
rakudo db0f85: OUTPUT«No applicable candidates found to dispatch to for 'infix:<Z>'. Available candidates are::(Iterable $a-iterable, Iterable $b-iterable)current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
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moritz_ |
p6eval's rakudo build is a bit behind, because parrot added a file to their repo which was previously a generated file |
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moritz_ |
so 'svn up' failed |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say (hash a => 3 ).perl |
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p6eval |
rakudo db0f85: OUTPUT«push_pmc() not implemented in class 'FixedPMCArray'current instr.: 'perl6;Perl6Role;!add_variant' pc 9861 (src/gen/RoleToClassApplier.pir:566)» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say (hash(a => 3) ).perl |
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p6eval |
rakudo db0f85: OUTPUT«push_pmc() not implemented in class 'FixedPMCArray'current instr.: 'perl6;Perl6Role;!add_variant' pc 9861 (src/gen/RoleToClassApplier.pir:566)» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say (hash(a => 3) ).perl |
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p6eval |
rakudo cddc8a: OUTPUT«{"a" => 3}» |
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moritz_ |
oh |
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jnthn |
o/ |
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mberends |
hi jnthn! |
| 12:13 |
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* mberends |
is breaking nearly everything in proto today, to rebuild it "better", fsvo better |
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jnthn |
:-) |
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mberends |
one of the planned proto improvements will be Windows compatibility |
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jnthn |
mberends: Yay! |
| 12:18 |
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jnthn |
mberends: I'll be able to use it at last. :-) |
| 12:18 |
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mberends |
exactly. proto needs a Windows guine^W early adopter |
| 12:29 |
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jnthn |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protostar ;-) |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: use Test; plan 1; isa_ok hash("a", 1), Hash |
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p6eval |
rakudo cddc8a: OUTPUT«1..1not ok 1 - The object is-a 'Hash()'# Actual type: Hash()# Looks like you failed 1 tests of 1» |
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moritz_ |
are there two Hash() types? on parrot, one rakudo? |
| 13:02 |
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jnthn |
moritz_: yes, but the problem there is that Hash in Rakudo is currently a role, not a class. |
| 13:02 |
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moritz_ |
oh. |
| 13:03 |
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jnthn |
rakudo: say hash("a", 1) ~~ Hash |
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p6eval |
rakudo cddc8a: OUTPUT«1» |
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pugssvn |
r30225 | moritz++ | test for the hash() list operator |
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dalek |
rakudo: 0577068 | moritz++ | Test.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo: [Test.pm] give better diagnostic output in isa_ok() |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]622c6f5895cc19123 |
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dalek |
rakudo: 8f7d293 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data: |
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dalek |
rakudo: run S04-statement-parsing/hash.t |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]78c58a5edf0210edc |
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moritz_ |
jnthn++ # subs-n-sigs.pod |
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moritz_ |
"From the output of this program, you can observe that doing the YMCA dance in |
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moritz_ |
ASCII art looks just about as bad as doing it in real life." |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: however you confused 'is rw' with 'is capture' or \ |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: Marking a parameter as C<is rw> means that you are allowed to modify the |
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moritz_ |
argument that was passed in. Doing so modifies the original thing that was |
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moritz_ |
passed. If a literal or some other constant value was passed in, then this |
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moritz_ |
will fail. |
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moritz_ |
actually with 'is rw' the binding of a read-only value should already fail |
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jnthn |
Ah, hmm.. |
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jnthn |
Yeah, that wants a tweak to make it clear that it fails to bind, not that it fails to assign. |
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jnthn |
btw, "is parcel" is the synonym for \ rather than "is capture", iirc. |
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moritz_ |
I can add that |
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moritz_ |
ah, ok |
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jnthn |
Go aheaed. :-) |
| 13:22 |
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jnthn |
But I think we keep "is rw" for now. |
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jnthn |
And just explain what it does. |
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moritz_ |
aye |
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jnthn |
The situations when you want to defer the failure until later are less common. |
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jnthn |
moritz_++ # reviewing my scribblings |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: could you please convert the file to UTF-8? |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: the name of the beer doesn't display correctly as-is |
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dalek |
book: 2261e8a | moritz++ | (2 files): |
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dalek |
book: [subs-n-sigs] some small improvments; clarify that binding a constant to an rw-parameter fails |
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dalek |
book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]859fc5f4b55fc0496 |
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jnthn |
moritz_: Oops |
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jnthn |
moritz_: I'm...not sure what it's ended up being. :-/ |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: neither am I. One of the characters look fine in Latin-1, the other... not |
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jnthn |
Will do that next time I write some more (maybe this evening :-)) |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: looks like some windows-blah |
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jnthn |
Suspect the ž |
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colomon |
mberends++ # proto work |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: I've done the conversion, now that I know what it should say :-) |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: any objections to moving 'Returning Results' a bit up within the chapter? The examples get a bit weird without returns |
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dalek |
book: f4b0b90 | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod: |
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dalek |
book: [subs-n-sigs] optional parameters; convert to UTF-8 |
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dalek |
book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]770c654947a625edc |
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jnthn |
moritz_: I was pondering that, yeah. |
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jnthn |
moritz_: Probably it can go before the types section. |
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jnthn |
order-steak('through'); |
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jnthn |
through? :) |
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* jnthn |
thought the choices were rare, medium and well done :-) |
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jnthn |
Nice example though. :-) |
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moritz_ |
probably a bad translation |
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dalek |
book: aba047d | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod: |
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dalek |
book: [subs-n-sigs] improve example, jnthn++; also move "Returning Results" section a bit up |
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dalek |
book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]a13799a06d2e20aaf |
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maybe it means "cooked-through", aka well done? |
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moritz_ |
it does |
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moritz_ |
see last diff |
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mberends: hai |
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jnthn: ping |
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lichtkind: hoi |
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rakudo: sub a (:b($c = 5)) { say $c } |
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rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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moritz_++ # http://perlgeek.de/en/article/5-to-6 |
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Can't--but can--wait for Rakudo * |
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moritz_ |
std: my $foo; :!$foo |
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std 30225: ( no output ) |
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spinclad |
that shouldn't parse i think? as it's both :foo(1) and :foo($foo) |
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spinclad |
*:foo(0) |
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moritz_ |
spinclad: I don't think it should, but I thought it would be better to check |
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spinclad |
i'm surprised std got lost on it. |
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moritz_ |
I think it's a problem with p6eval, not with STD.pm |
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moritz_ |
locally it says "Bogus statement" |
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jnthn |
I don't expect it to parse also. |
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jnthn |
iirc only an identifier can follow a ! |
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arnsholt |
jnthn: I think I know why nqp-rx doesn't like - in grammar stuff |
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arnsholt |
You can use + and - to do set arithmetic with character classes, so that might confuse it |
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dalek |
book: 30c4f59 | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod: |
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dalek |
book: [subs] named parameters |
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dalek |
book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]9406fd66a010aee15 |
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moritz_ |
std: 1 |
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dalek |
book: 0d66bb8 | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod: |
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dalek |
book: [subs] returns |
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dalek |
book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]2a41ad2cfe8d76447 |
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p6eval |
std 30225: ( no output ) |
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moritz_ |
what should 'our %*foo' do? |
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moritz_ |
installing a contextual variable in the symbol table looks...weird |
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jnthn |
Though in a sense, you're really declaring a lexical alias to that thingy in the symbol table. |
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moritz_ |
aye |
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pugssvn |
r30226 | moritz++ | [t/spec] test our %*var |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: package A {}; A.foo |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
Locally, Method 'foo' not found for non-object |
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pugssvn |
r30227 | moritz++ | [t/spec] fudge S10-packages/basic.t for rakudo |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: here too |
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dalek |
rakudo: 534afd8 | moritz++ | t/spectest.data: |
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dalek |
rakudo: we pass S10-packages/basic.t, now with quite different fudging than before |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]f806845a0e2d1d7ce |
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colomon |
" now with quite different fudging than before" :) |
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pugssvn |
r30228 | moritz++ | [t/spec] tests for use'ing classes inside classes and modules |
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pugssvn |
r30229 | moritz++ | [t/spec] add the test packages that I forgot before, moritz-- |
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ash_ |
rakudo* is going to be nice when it is released |
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jnthn |
colomon: Having fun? :-) |
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colomon |
yes! |
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colomon |
The games I ran went well, the games I've played in were good fun. |
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colomon |
One more tonight, after a mass outing for Japanese noms. |
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jnthn |
\o/ |
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ash_ |
so... anyone know how P6Opaque objects look under the hood? basically are the a map of names to properties? |
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moritz_ |
they are like a locked hash of attribute names => attribute containers |
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ash_ |
in my nq-nqp i am trying to figure out how to make my objects, under the hood, and i was thinking of simply a hash, but there may be some attributes that need special treatment (like the id?) figured rakudo's already made the right design decision on this one |
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moritz_ |
you might need some additional meta data, unless you store that in some other part of an object |
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moritz_ |
like "what type do I belong to?" |
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moritz_ |
which is basically .WHAT |
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moritz_ |
bed & |
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colomon |
o/ |
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jnthn |
ash_: I don't particularly regard Rakudo as having it right. |
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ash_ |
the hash I was thinking of storing things like "&foo" for methods, and "$a" for an attribute, since they are all generic objects |
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ash_ |
well, really that would be $!a |
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bkeeler |
Afternoon! |
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bkeeler |
> my @f = ("bar", rx/ qu+x /); say "abarfooquuuuxbazbarb" ~~ /^a [ 'foo' | 'baz' | @f ] + b$/ |
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bkeeler |
abarfooquuuuxbazbarb |
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jnthn |
whoa! |
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jnthn |
That's insane. :-) |
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jnthn |
bkeeler++ |
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arnsholt |
Awesome! |
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ash_ |
how does a @f work in a regex? does it get translated to @f[0] | @f[1] ? |
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bkeeler |
Yep |
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ash_ |
neat |
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ash_ |
wow |
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arnsholt |
bkeeler: I think you're my new hero =D |
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ash_ |
man, regex's in perl 6 are awesome |
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bkeeler |
Yeah, they are |
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ash_ |
i wonder if i'll ever get them implemented in my nq-nqp... probably not >< |
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ash_ |
bkeeler: is your work on github? |
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ash_ |
is it a branch of nqp? or is it in rakudo? |
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bkeeler |
Will be soon |
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ash_ |
got ya |
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bkeeler |
Rakudo |
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bkeeler |
I thought I was going to have to make changes to nqp, but it looks like I'll get away without |
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ash_ |
should any of them be ported into nqp? just curious, or are they to much ingrained into rakudo and/or outside of nqp's scope? |
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bkeeler |
Could probably be backported |
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jnthn |
Just because it could be doesn't mean it should be though. :-) |
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jnthn |
There's value in NQP being small. |
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bkeeler |
There might be value in being able to use @foo in a grammar though |
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jnthn |
Yeah |
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jnthn |
I guess it's on a "do we have a use for it" basis. |
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jnthn |
Thing is, porting NQP is the first step to adding another backend to Rakudo. |
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jnthn |
Everything you add to NQP potentially makes that step harder. |
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bkeeler |
True |
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ash_ |
hey, if i get my nqp working, then i could maybe run parts of rakudo (the ones without pir) |
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jnthn |
ash_: You'd have a decent shot at Grammar.pm and, if the PAST node types were defined, Actions.pm too. |
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jnthn |
But yes, the rest of the glue is another matter. |
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bkeeler |
PAST could certainly use being more abstract than it actually is |
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bkeeler |
There's rather a lot of pirops and inlines |
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ash_ |
my goal is to, when I am done, have my nq-nqp run the nqp Grammar.pm and some of the nqp Actions.pm (it uses pir in it a bit, so i'd have to re-do that) |
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jnthn |
inlines are a problem |
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jnthn |
pirops less so |
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ash_ |
i don't know if i'll get to that anytime soon, but hey, its a goal :P |
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jnthn |
If you read pirop as "vmop" or some such, it's not so bad. |
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jnthn |
I guess we'll only really know how hard it is once somebody's managed to do it. :-) |
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bkeeler |
It would be nice to see perl6 run on the JVM sometime |
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bkeeler |
They did a pretty good job with JRuby |
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bkeeler |
Apparently it runs faster than the regular Ruby for most things |
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sorear |
ash_: P6Opaque represents 5 memory blocks |
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ash_ |
if i get my stuff done, it will be nqp running on the LLVM (i know its not the same, but still) |
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bkeeler |
That would be great too |
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bkeeler |
And someone was talking about getting it running on the DLR |
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sorear |
bkeeler: if memory serves, the "regular Ruby" is just an AST walker |
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sorear |
like P5 |
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jnthn |
ash_: That'd be cool to have. |
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ash_ |
sorear: "5 memory blocks" meaning...? (just curious) |
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jnthn |
sorear: (5 memory blocks) Huh? |
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sorear |
jnthn: first line of a multi-line explanation |
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sorear |
ash_: P6Opaque is a PMC header + attributes; the attributes reference a ResizablePMCArray -> attribute record -> PMC* array |
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sorear |
the P6Opaque also references the class, which references a name->offset mapping |
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sorear |
so |
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sorear |
$object.!slotname |
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sorear |
1. Get the class from $object |
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sorear |
2. Look up !slotname in $class's layout hash |
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sorear |
2. Get the storage pmc array from $object |
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sorear |
3 |
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sorear |
4. $storage[$index] |
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jnthn |
fwiw, that's liable to change. |
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bkeeler |
5. PROFIT!!! |
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sorear |
jnthn: "Opaque" kindof implies that |
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jnthn |
Aye. |
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jnthn |
I specifically meant in Rakudo though. |
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jnthn |
:-) |
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jnthn |
After R*, mind. |
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jnthn |
P6opaque today is basically a thin veneer on Parrot's Object / Class PMCs. |
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jnthn |
It's good enough for now. |
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jnthn |
But throws away too much stuff we statically know in Perl 6. |
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jnthn |
If I was starting from scratch, I'd not copy what Rakudo does today. |
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jnthn |
Attribute storage wants to be some first level, per-class structure |
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jnthn |
And that structure has the attributes |
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jnthn |
Most accesses can be done by offset |
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jnthn |
With a hash to offset as a fallback. |
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snarkyboojum |
guten morgen #perl6 |
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jnthn |
dober utro |
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jnthn |
er, jutro? :-) |
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jnthn |
:-) |
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snarkyboojum |
dobro jutro jnthn :) |
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jnthn |
lol |
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jnthn |
Fail. |
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snarkyboojum |
definitely understood :) |
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jnthn |
Ouch. Trying to write an abstract for a Perl 6 talk to be given in *November* is hard! |
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snarkyboojum |
does that involve some crystal ball gazing? |
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jnthn |
Just a bit... |
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jnthn |
I guess it's going to really have to be...well...abstract. :-) |
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snarkyboojum |
:D |
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snarkyboojum |
is that the "November before Christmas"? :) |
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jnthn |
November before *this* Christmas. ;-) |
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snarkyboojum |
oh :| heh |
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jnthn |
pmich\o/d! |
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pmichaud |
good afternoon, #perl6 |
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phenny |
pmichaud: 27 Mar 10:34Z <moritz_> tell pmichaud that I started the refactor_mob_generation branch of nqp-rx. It changes the actualy generation of a match object to a call to single constructor - which can easily be re-implemented in HLLs |
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phenny |
pmichaud: 27 Mar 10:35Z <moritz_> tell pmichaud the plan is to provide nqp-rx with a single typo object on which this constructor is called - though I don't know how that should be done (named param somewhere, dynamic variable, ...) |
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pmichaud |
hmmm. I still think it should be the cursor that does it. |
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jnthn |
afternoon, Pm. |
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masak |
ahoy, #perl6! |
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* masak |
is just stopping by before going to bed |
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bkeeler |
Heyas pmichaud ! |
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jnthn |
ahej, masak! |
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masak |
if I understand this Russian blog post correctly http://onperl.ru/onperl/2010/03/for-vs-given.html -- given can't modify a string in $_ in Perl 5.10. |
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pmichaud |
hello, masak++ |
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masak |
hi pmichaud++! |
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jnthn |
rakudo: my $foo = 'rofl harris'; given $foo { .=subst(/rofl/, 'rolf'; }; say $foo |
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masak |
rakudo: my $foo = 'rofl'; given $foo { s/fl/lf/; .=uc }; $foo.say |
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jnthn |
Locally it whines about $_ being readonly. |
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jnthn |
I'm not sure if that's a bug. |
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masak |
I thought the default setting was '<-> $_' |
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masak |
i.e. '-> $_ is rw' |
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jnthn |
probably is parcel rather than is rw |
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jnthn |
But yes |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
Provided that applies to given, which I guess it should... |
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lue |
ololitsme o/ |
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masak |
so...? submitarakudobug? |
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masak |
hi, lue! \o |
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jnthn |
yesithinkyoushouldindeeddothat. |
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* masak |
submitsarakudobughoworiginal |
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lue |
stringingwordstogetherisfun.ohhowimissdoingthis. |
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jnthn |
maybethechinesehaveapointthatspacesarepointless |
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bkeeler |
heya lue |
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masak |
yousaythatbutwaituntilyougetyourfirstchinesesentencethatcanbeparsedinseveralways :/ |
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* masak |
.oO( hm... 'several ways', 'sever always'... ) |
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jnthn |
jaghavenkassaapparat |
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masak |
*lol* |
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masak |
s/v/r/, but otherwise fine :) |
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lue |
It's a pain translating a string of katakana/hiragana when you can't see the spaces... (Wind Waker is a prime example :/) |
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lue |
rakudo: say 2 Z 3 |
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jnthn |
masak: btw, I submitted some talks for NPW. :-) |
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masak |
nice! |
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jnthn |
3 of them, so they have some choice. |
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masak |
ooh |
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jnthn |
Either that or I have a lot of slides to write... ;-) |
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masak |
哈哈 |
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lue |
rah-koo-dou seems to be failing :/ |
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jnthn |
I'm currently trying to work out how on earth to write an abstract for a Perl 6 talk to be given in November. |
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jnthn |
Who knows what we'll have done by November! |
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masak |
assume that we made things work, and we'll have something to strive towards :P |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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lue |
finally! |
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lue |
erm... |
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masak |
p6eval is having a slow day, it seems. |
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lue |
rakudo: say "I work!" |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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lue |
*cough* someone broke say, it seems *cough* |
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jnthn |
rakudo: say " ( no output )" |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
wfm |
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lue |
ha ha :) |
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lue |
rakudo: say something |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
masak: OK, I'll write about how I'll do live demos of Rakudo running on multiple backends, with some awesome examples of parallemism, and an installer that has now also won the Nobel Prize for Physics, to make up for the confusion with the whole Peace Prize... |
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lue |
...not even errors O.o |
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masak |
jnthn: :D |
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sorear |
Isn't it a bug that p6eval likes to nondeterministically say no ouput? |
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lue |
rakudo: die('with dignity!'); |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
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masak |
sorear: I don't see anything nondeterministic about it. |
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jnthn |
sorear: Akshually I think it's just kanckered. |
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jnthn |
*knackered |
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lue |
it's not nondeterminitsic, it's dumb coding :D |
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masak |
it hasn't given any output since I stepped in here a few minutes ago. |
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sorear |
jnthn: it should at least say $?139 or something |
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lue |
std: diagnose rakudo # please work please work please work |
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p6eval |
std 30229: ( no output ) |
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lue |
pugs: is still hanging in there # i hope |
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p6eval |
pugs: OUTPUT«*** No such subroutine: "&is" at /tmp/MSF8tF2wdP line 1, column 1 - line 2, column 1» |
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lue |
alpha: is great # not |
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p6eval |
alpha 30e0ed: ( no output ) |
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lue |
/o\ |
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* masak |
gently nudges lue to do something productive instead of spamming p6eval ;) |
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masak |
mberends: nice to hear you're working on proto. let me know if I can be of help/assistance/support somehow. |
| 22:10 |
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lue |
I am! But I has to update my own copy since p6eval isn't working :( |
| 22:10 |
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masak |
that's not bad in itself. you're meant to use your own copy rather than p6eval. :) |
| 22:11 |
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masak |
programming by bot is extremely inefficient. |
| 22:11 |
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lue |
I is trying to find rakudobugs that have been solved already. I don't need my own copy of rakudo :D |
| 22:12 |
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masak |
lue: oh! then we work a bit differently, it seems. I often try things out locally, and then just paste them here if they're interesting in some way. |
| 22:12 |
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masak |
less clutter that way. |
| 22:13 |
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masak |
it's not a hard-and-fast rule, mind you. but it helps to keep noise down. |
| 22:14 |
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lue |
Anyway, er... what year is this? Perl 8 has been finished, right? |
| 22:14 |
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masak |
oh, long ago. |
| 22:14 |
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masak |
in fact, it's closer to 2199 than 1999. |
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* masak |
lets that one sink in |
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pugssvn |
r30230 | bkeeler++ | A couple tweaks |
| 22:15 |
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lue |
OK. No wonder p6eval is broken. I thought is was 2010, but all the time-travelling lately... |
| 22:15 |
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masak |
bkeeler: by the way, you're my new hero too! that array interpolation stuff is dynamite! |
| 22:16 |
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lue |
Cool. I can stay here for a while. :) |
| 22:17 |
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bkeeler |
:) |
| 22:17 |
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masak |
well, that's it for tonight. |
| 22:17 |
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lue |
gnight o/ |
| 22:17 |
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masak |
I'll be back with the usual inanities tomorrow. |
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jnthn |
o/ |
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masak |
see you, peeps. |
| 22:18 |
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jnthn |
.oO( I think he missed an s back there... ) |
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lue |
jnthn --fixspelling --target="masak" --2ndlastmessage # :) |
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sorear |
jnthn: Today's puzzle is Parrot_pmc_register |
| 22:21 |
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sorear |
I'm trying to implement tiebacks. I've got all the association stuff worked out, except for the minor issue where the PMC side gets garbage collected |
| 22:22 |
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sorear |
I'm imagining I want something like - void Parrot_pmc_register(PARROT_INTERP, void *cookie, PMC *target); void Parrot_pmc_unregister(PARROT_INTERP, void *cookie); PMC *Parrot_pmc_get_registered(PARROT_INTERP, void *cookie); |
| 22:23 |
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jnthn |
I'm trying to remember the exact function name, but it may well have been renamed since I last used it. |
| 22:23 |
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jnthn |
I don't remember it having a kinda "cookie" though. |
| 22:25 |
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sorear |
It doesn't, that's the problem |
| 22:25 |
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jnthn |
Why does it need one? |
| 22:26 |
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sorear |
It doesn't. I do. |
| 22:26 |
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lue |
should C<say 2 Z 3> come out 23? |
| 22:26 |
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lue |
rakudo: say 2 Z 3 |
| 22:27 |
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jnthn |
lue: think so |
| 22:27 |
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sorear |
In order to hold references to arbitrary PMCs, I need a way to hold references to PMCs that doesn't assume ownership |
| 22:27 |
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sorear |
Parrot_pmc_register doesn't nest, so I can't use it on 3rd party PMCs |
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arnsholt |
Is there a list of what stuff I can save with nqp-rx's HLL::Grammar.O() somewhere? |
| 22:28 |
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jnthn |
arnsholt: No, but it's just a hash. |
| 22:28 |
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jnthn |
arnsholt: You can stick what you like in it. |
| 22:28 |
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arnsholt |
Wrong question I suppose. Which arguments does the operator precedence parser work with? |
| 22:28 |
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jnthn |
sorear: Yeah, I was just looking at how it's implemented...I thought it kept a kinda count of how many registrations and decrement it... |
| 22:28 |
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jnthn |
sorear: But it doesn't. :-/ |
| 22:29 |
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jnthn |
sorear: OTOH, it is just a hash table |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8f7d29: ( no output ) |
| 22:29 |
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jnthn |
sorear: Currently it just sticks a null PMC in there. |
| 22:29 |
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arnsholt |
I know there's :assoc and :prec, but I was curious what else there might be |
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bkeeler |
I think there's :chain or similar |
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jnthn |
sorear: So I guess it's patchable... |
| 22:30 |
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jnthn |
sorear: If not, you may just have to invent your own, but since it's essentially a hash... |
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jnthn |
arnsholt: Those two but iirc also :nextterm and :reducecheck |
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* arnsholt |
goes digging in the code |
| 22:37 |
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pmichaud |
operator precedence parser uses :assoc and :prec, iirc |
| 22:38 |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Does it trigger the reducecheck, or is that something else? |
| 22:38 |
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pmichaud |
yes, opp triggers reducecheck when reducing a node |
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jnthn |
OK |
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* jnthn |
has been reading that area of the code and trying to grok it. :-) |
| 22:39 |
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pmichaud |
:assoc, :prec, and :uassoc |
| 22:39 |
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pmichaud |
and :reducecheck |
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arnsholt |
:uassoc is for unassociative operators? |
| 22:43 |
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pmichaud |
unary, I think |
| 22:44 |
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arnsholt |
Right. That makes sense |
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arnsholt |
:assoc<list> is the same as unassociative I suppose? |
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lue |
.oO(under S03/List Infix Precedence: "($a[0] min $b[0], $a[1] max $b[1])". Someone's P5 muscle memory acted up) |
| 22:56 |
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lue |
.oO(fixing...) |
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ash_ |
thats not wrong... per say |
| 22:59 |
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lue |
before that @a and @b are "defined", and so it's natural they are linked together. |
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ash_ |
ah, well in that case ya |
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sorear |
jnthn: I'm not sure how to invent my own. The basic version is privleged - I have nothing like interp->gc->registry to use |
| 23:04 |
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jnthn |
sorear: iiuc it's not so special though |
| 23:04 |
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jnthn |
sorear: So long as your hash that you're storing PMCs and counts in is itself marked, all the things in it will be marked for as long as they're in the hash. |
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jnthn |
I guess your P5Interpreter PMC can just hold it, since I'd imagine that's going to stay around. |
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pugssvn |
r30231 | lue++ | [docs/Perl6/Spec] Fixed a P5 muscle-memory error |
| 23:08 |
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pmichaud |
:assoc<list> means that the operator takes a variable number of operands |
| 23:09 |
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jnthn |
e.g. @a Z @b Z @c is invoked as infix:<Z>(@a, @b, @c) |
| 23:09 |
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arnsholt |
Ah, right. Not the same |
| 23:09 |
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pmichaud |
unassociative is :assoc<none>, iirc |
| 23:10 |
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pmichaud |
or perhaps that's non-associative, and :assoc<non>. See STD.pm. |
| 23:10 |
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arnsholt |
Mmm. Good idea |
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pmichaud |
constant %structural = (:dba('structural infix'), :prec<n=>, :assoc<non>, :diffy); |
| 23:13 |
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arnsholt |
Yeah, I was looking at that same line of code meself =) |
| 23:14 |
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pugssvn |
r30232 | bkeeler++ | few more variable interpolation tests |
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pmichaud |
afk, fetching dinner |
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lue |
belated hello colomon o/ |
| 23:36 |
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colomon |
o/ |
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colomon |
gaming now. ;) |
| 23:39 |
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lue |
eating & watching Phoenix Wright YouTube videos, not much time spent on this window :) |
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jnthn |
Gotta sleep. Meeting tomorrow morning. Thankfully, not a terrifyingly early one, so I might actually be useful in it. |
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jnthn |
o/ |
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lue |
o/ |
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colomon |
o/ |
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lue |
.oO(if you're too useful, then you'll seem ready for action and be given all the work...) |
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sorear |
jnthn: chromatic says registration is actually reference counted with magic overrides from AddrRegistry |
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sorear |
cleverness-- |
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