IRC log for #perl6, 2010-04-01

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Time	S	Nick	Message
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00:25		snarkyboojum	sorear: just discovered that ~ is a parser combinator (see http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/per[…]008-10.writeback)
00:25		snarkyboojum	in STD.pm
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00:39		lue	...never. again. will I believe that a speed optimization will help _me_
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00:45		lue	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page check the first item of In the News!
00:46		snarkyboojum	lue: are you finding the new parrot fixes/optimisations helpful during a rakudo build?
00:46		lue	no, it hung during the compilatiion of parrot, even after killall perl (which I used to run Configure.pl) :/
00:47		snarkyboojum	lue: bugger - what parrot REV?
00:47		m6locks	rakudo: role A { has $!b = 4; method foo() { say $!b; } }; A.foo()
00:48		lue	but if you look on the wiki's main page, you'll see that people were 4sent back in time!
00:48		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Type objects are abstract and have no attributes, but you tried to access ␤current instr.: 'perl6;A[];foo' pc 615 (EVAL_1:237)␤»
00:48		lue	snarky: don't know -- the latest as defined by rakudo
00:48		snarkyboojum	ah ok
00:49		snarkyboojum	it'll be defined in build/PARROT_REVISION
00:49		snarkyboojum	I'm guessing r45178
00:50		lue	I must contact Sony and figure out their time-travel secrets!
00:51		snarkyboojum	well battery about to die (those new macbook pro with 7hr battery life look good :))
00:51		snarkyboojum	well, not new anymore perhaps
00:51		lue	I know, I'd like just the battery :)
00:51		lue	.oO(I must also contact Nintendo and convince them to use cartridges instead of CDs in their next console)
00:52		snarkyboojum	bbl
00:52		lue	alright
00:54		* lue	is trying to find the names of creators of various programming languages to create a Phoenix Wright parody :)
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01:09		lue	hai again snarky o/
01:12		snarkyboojum	hi lue \o
01:13		lue	I wonder, who created parrot?
01:14		lue	(it's hard finding a developer who's last name is somewhat like Edgeworth :/(
01:14		lue	s/(/)/
01:19		snarkyboojum	lue: have you read http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm ?
01:20		snarkyboojum	enjoyable read :)
01:20		snarkyboojum	esp poignant given today's date
01:20		lue	is it 4/1 in your area?
01:20		snarkyboojum	aye
01:20		snarkyboojum	we're halfway through it here
01:20		lue	still 3/31 here :)
01:22		snarkyboojum	lue: I read this a long time ago too - http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/blog[…]hives/000435.html
01:22		lue	17->12 ... (accounting for DST, right now it's 18 PDT) -8, -7, -6, -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11
01:22		lue	you're UTC+11 !
01:23		snarkyboojum	we see the sun come up earlier :P
01:24		lue	was I right?
01:24		snarkyboojum	yeah
01:25		* lue	will post the cast list for the P6 Phoenix Wright parody after finishing it
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01:27		lue	I'm UTC+3i :)
01:27		lue	I tend to drift into UTC-7π though
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02:20		colomon_	o/
02:22		lue	o/ colomon_
02:27		lue	rakudo: print eval( say "hi" )
02:27		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«hi␤Nominal type check failed for parameter '$code'; expected Str but got Bool instead␤current instr.: 'eval' pc 284330 (src/gen/core.pir:0)␤»
02:28		lue	rakudo: print eval(' say "hi" ')
02:28		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«hi␤1»
02:30		lue	afk
02:31		snarkyboojum	rakudo: Perl6::Compiler.eval("say 'See ya lue'");
02:31		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«See ya lue␤»
02:31		snarkyboojum	:)
02:33		snarkyboojum	you could even do, Perl6::Compiler.compile("say 'See ya lue'", target => 'pir'); to get PIR :)
02:36		sorear	Is it just me, or are INIT blocks run twice when Rakudo is loaded as a library
02:36		sorear	there's some fishy stuff in gen/core.pir
02:37		sorear	:load's !UNIT_START is being passed a reference to a function which also calls !UNIT_START
02:37		sorear	while :init's isn't
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02:37		* sorear	tries changing it, to see what breaks.
02:43		am0c	rakudo: Perl6::Compiler.compile("say 'See ya lue'", target => 'pir');
02:43		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af:  ( no output )
02:43		* sorear	wonders how to make need Bot::BasicBot :from<perl5>; class MyBot is Bot::BasicBot { ... } Just Work
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02:44		snarkyboojum	am0c, you'd need to do something with the output, like say it
02:44		snarkyboojum	apologies if that's obvious :)
02:45		am0c	ah, thanks!
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02:51		JimmyZ	April Fools' Day? Parrot language will be born?
02:52		sorear	actually, my goal is to get use Tk :from<perl5>; working
02:52		sorear	because apparently there's demand for that
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03:20		spinclad	.oO{ quadrupedal negative }  # ain't never heard no horse sing no song   # another backlogged thought
03:26		* sorear	guts the "interesting" logic from comp_unit to see what happens
03:35		sorear	Knowledge of PAST would help here.
03:36		lue	hai again
03:36		lue	it's not 4/1 yet! :)
03:37		lue	( I'm waiting for 4/2 -- it's a Hitchhiker's Holy Day :) )
03:48		lue	sorear: there's demand™ for Tk?
03:48		sorear	lue: Demand, measured in money
03:48		sorear	http://news.perlfoundation.org[…]tk_access_in.html
03:49		lue	OK. I was just wondering. (<mumble>not that Qt and GTK are more important</mumble>)
03:52		sorear	in about an hour we'll know if my change to Actions.pm did anything useful
03:53		lue	Quick! What languages inspired Perl 6? (excluding P5)
03:54		ash_	all of them?
03:54		sorear	All of them
03:54		sorear	perl 6 is a postmodernist's language
03:54		lue	Who knew it'd be so difficult to find the name of a developer who's last name even somewhat resembles 'Edgeworth' ?
03:59		sorear	nice, my new rakudo segfaults
03:59		sorear	I only changed p6 code
03:59		lue	\o/ Segfaults™
03:59		lue	"there should be one—and preferably only one—obvious way to do it" --Python
04:00		lue	unfortunately, it never works out that nicely, so always, TIMTOWTDI.
04:01		lue	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl has a nice "Influenced by" piece :)
04:20		lue	.oO(The CEO's of both Microsoft and Apple are named Steve. Interesting)
04:24		lue	"Got that? Larry is always right, even when he was wrong."
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04:43		sorear	ok, trying again
04:46		lue	.u hand
04:46		phenny	U+270C VICTORY HAND (✌)
04:46		lue	✌o✌
04:47		lue	(fingers crossed)
04:53		am0c	is that right c-style 'for' statement is named to 'loop' to stop overuse?
04:55		lue	rakudo: for (my $i=0; $i<11; $i++) { say $i;};
04:55		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of C-style "for (;;)" loop; in Perl 6 please use "loop (;;)" at line 11, near "(my $i=0; "␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
04:55		lue	rakudo: loop (my $i=0; $i<11; $i++) { say $i;};
04:55		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«0␤1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤6␤7␤8␤9␤10␤»
04:55		lue	I'm not sure _why_, but I know it just is this way.
04:55		snarkyboojum	also - loop { say "forever" } :D
04:55		am0c	hm - hm -
04:56		am0c	i like this syntax. :) heh
04:56		lue	rakudo: my %h = (3,4); say %h
04:56		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«3  4␤␤»
04:57		snarkyboojum	rakudo: my %h = 3 => 4; say %h;
04:57		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«3  4␤␤»
05:00		lue	rakudo: my %h = ('key'=>4); say %h.key('key');
05:00		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Method 'key' not found for invocant of class ''␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
05:00		lue	rakudo: my %h = ('key'=>4); say %h.kv('key');
05:00		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 1␤current instr.: 'perl6;EnumMap;kv' pc 425204 (src/gen/core.pir:61588)␤»
05:00		lue	rakudo: my %h = ('key'=>4); say %h.keys('key');
05:00		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 1␤current instr.: 'perl6;EnumMap;keys' pc 424921 (src/gen/core.pir:61502)␤»
05:01		lue	rakudo: my %h = ('key'=>4); say %h<key>
05:01		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«4␤»
05:01		lue	there we go :)
05:02		lue	Tomorrow I'll release the current cast for Larry Wright: Ace Attorney. Until then, good night
05:02		snarkyboojum	rakudo: my %h = ('key'=>4); %h.perl.say
05:02		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«{"key" => 4}␤»
05:03		snarkyboojum	rakudo: foreach <1 2 3>  { .say }; # shouldn't work
05:03		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "foreach <1"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
05:04		snarkyboojum	rakudo: for <1 2 3> { .say };
05:04		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤»
05:06		am0c	rakudo: for <1 2 3> -> { .say }
05:06		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤current instr.: '_block50' pc 358 (EVAL_1:148)␤»
05:06		am0c	rakudo: for <1 2 3> -> $x { $x.say }
05:06		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤»
05:10		diakopter	hee http://cappuccino.org/discuss/[…]nagement-problem/
05:15		snarkyboojum	std:  foreach <1 2 3>  { .say }; # shouldn't work
05:15		p6eval	std 30253: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?) at /tmp/xvFVhRh904 line 1:␤------> foreach <1 2 3> ⏏{ .say }; # shouldn't work␤    expecting any of:␤     bracketed infix␤  infix or
05:15		p6eval	..meta-…
05:15		snarkyboojum	I was hoping for an awesome-ised error :)
05:16		snarkyboojum	rakudo: .say for <1 2 3>
05:16		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤»
05:19		sorear	ok, this time I got it to compile!
05:19		sorear	but it crashes on stage2 startup
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05:31		snarkyboojum	rakudo: my $x = * ** *; say <1 2 3>.map: $x
05:31		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«Method 'Num' not found for invocant of class 'Block'␤current instr.: 'perl6;Mu;' pc -1 ((unknown file):-1)␤»
05:32		snarkyboojum	alpha: my $x = * ** *; say <1 2 3>.map: $x
05:32		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«1427␤»
05:32		snarkyboojum	std: my $x = * ** *; say <1 2 3>.map: $x
05:32		p6eval	std 30253: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 107m␤»
05:38		sorear	it looks like my crash was just caused by using a stale Makefile
05:54		pugssvn	r30254 | lwall++ | [STD] awesomize foreach message for snarkyboojum++
05:54		snarkyboojum	std:  foreach <1 2 3>  { .say };
05:54		p6eval	std 30253: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?) at /tmp/jKsGS5pwvE line 1:␤------> foreach <1 2 3> ⏏{ .say };␤    expecting any of:␤      bracketed infix␤  infix or
05:54		p6eval	..meta-infix␤Undeclared …
05:54		TimToady	has to recompile
05:54		snarkyboojum	TimToady++
05:54		TimToady	may take an hour
05:55		sorear	STD takes an hour to recompile?
05:55		sorear	or do you mean cron timing
05:55		TimToady	the latter
05:55		snarkyboojum	now that's what you call user-centred programming language design :)
05:59		TimToady	zzz &
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06:10		jnthn	ergh...early mornings suck...
06:14		sorear	hello!
06:14		jnthn	oh hai
06:15		sorear	jnthn: Why does dalek only announce Blizkost commits in a channel you aren't even in?
06:16		jnthn	sorear: I'm not sure...I didn't set it up. :-)
06:17		sorear	it spams in #parrot anyhow
06:17		jnthn	I only noticed they were reported at all when you mentioned this last time. :-)
06:17		jnthn	We could ask for it to spam here too probably. ;-)
06:18		sorear	argharghargh my fix didn't work
06:19		jnthn	Gotta associate with some folks in Malmö, so I'd best commute. bbl.
06:22		diakopter	std:  foreach <1 2 3>  { .say };
06:22		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?) at /tmp/9Z3fTVXq7u line 1:␤------> foreach <1 2 3> ⏏{ .say };␤    expecting any of:␤      bracketed infix␤  infix or
06:22		p6eval	..meta-infix␤Undeclared …
06:24		sorear	I give up
06:24		sorear	somebody else, please make parrot-nqp -e 'pir::load_bytecode("perl6.pbc")' not die messily
06:27		sorear	what was the rakudobug address?
06:32		snarkyboojum	rakudobugperl.org ?
06:33		snarkyboojum	from the README at http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo
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06:55		snarkyboojum	std: foreach <1 2 3>  { .say };
06:55		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?) at /tmp/J9GoXFc9Xl line 1:␤------> foreach <1 2 3> ⏏{ .say };␤    expecting any of:␤      bracketed infix␤  infix or
06:55		p6eval	..meta-infix␤Undeclared …
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07:16		snarkyboojum	std: foreach <1 2 3>  { .say };
07:16		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/r9FOJ7cRKf line 1:␤------> foreach⏏ <1 2 3> { .say };␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
07:17		snarkyboojum	awesome :) TimToady++ :)
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07:45		mathw	Morning
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09:19		moritz_	\o/ first day at $work, seems they allow ssh connections to the outside :-)
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09:20		mathw	\o/
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09:24		* jnthn	back from $meeting
09:25		* mathw	back from @meeting[0], waiting for @meeting[1]
09:26		jnthn	Ah, I'm done for the day on @meeting :-)
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10:08		masak	oh hai, #perl6
10:09		jnthn	lolitsmasak
10:30		colomon	o/
10:30		jnthn	o/ colomon
10:31		* masak	realizes that 'also' is a kind of assymmetric dual to '.each'
10:32		masak	from the description at http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/per[…]2008-10.writeback , I don't immediately see why I'd want to use 'also' rather than 'and' or '&&'...
10:33		masak	hm, ISTR infix:<also> was subsequently named infix:<andthen>...
10:33		jnthn	I think andthen probably captures the ordered semantics better.
10:34		masak	ok; in what way?
10:35		masak	hm, from S03 I gather that it's sort of a loose opposite of //
10:35		jnthn	"jnthn is drinking pivo and also vodka" vs "jnthn is drinking pivo and then vodka" - in one it could be the two at once (eww) but in the the second it's much clearer it's one then the other.
10:35		masak	and 'orelse' is a loose version of //
10:36		masak	jnthn: but 'test1() and test2()' is sequential too, and always was.
10:36		masak	ok, 'andthen' does things with INVISIBLE BLOCKS.
10:36		jnthn	and failures
10:36		jnthn	Yeah
10:36		masak	a bit like a monad would, I guess.
10:37		jnthn	That's a scary world.
10:37		moritz_	masak: and by INVISIBLE BLOCKS you mean.. thunks? :-)
10:37		jnthn	.u INVISIBLE BLOCK
10:37		phenny	jnthn: Sorry, no results for 'INVISIBLE BLOCK'.
10:37		jnthn	.u INVISIBLE
10:37		phenny	U+2062 INVISIBLE TIMES (⁢)
10:37		jnthn	:-)
10:37		jnthn	There's still (to me) no difference between a block and a thunk, fwiw.
10:37		moritz_	masak: btw after our discussion about joining the community, I backlogged very far to see what you first asked in here... it was what a thunk is :-)
10:38		moritz_	jnthn: there should be one, in that a thunk does not introduce a scope
10:38		jnthn	(at the "what they compile to" level
10:38		jnthn	moritz_: I don't have a way to implement that.
10:38		jnthn	Well, not easily at least.
10:38		moritz_	std: my $x = Any // (my $y = 6); say $y
10:38		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 109m␤»
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10:39		moritz_	rakudo: my $x = Any // (my $y = 6); say $y
10:39		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«6␤»
10:39		moritz_	jnthn: that's another matter
10:39		moritz_	wow
10:39		jnthn	I hadn't really regarded that as a thunk.
10:39		jnthn	To me that kinda isn't one.
10:39		jnthn	I mean, it's just syntactic sugar for an "if"-ish kinda thing
10:40		jnthn	But we don't have to run the code at some unknown point in the future and called from a different place.
10:40		jnthn	Hmm...maybe we need to distinguish the two somehow.
10:40		moritz_	maybe
10:41		moritz_	or maybe my idea of "thunk" is not yet fine grained enough
10:41		jnthn	Or maybe mine isn't either. :-)
10:41		jnthn	Or our ideas of thunks don't entirely overlap.
10:42		moritz_	$str ~~ s[foo] = $code
10:42		moritz_	$code is a thunk here, right?
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10:42		jnthn	It's turned into a closure
10:42		masak	for your definition of thunk, yes. :)
10:42		jnthn	I think the spec even says it should be though.
10:42		masak	std: sub foreach(@list) {}; foreach <1 2 3>
10:42		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/tSpGyjbHyD line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) {}; foreach⏏ <1 2 3>␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
10:42		masak	TimToady: ^
10:43		jnthn	ooh!
10:43		jnthn	From S05:
10:43		jnthn	This is not a normal assigment, since the right side is evaluated each
10:43		jnthn	time the substitution matches (much like the pseudo-assignment to declarators
10:43		jnthn	can happen at strange times).  It is therefore treated as a "thunk", that is,
10:43		jnthn	as if it has implicit curlies around it.
10:44		jnthn	Thus thunk = implicit curlies = scope? :-)
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10:44		moritz_	that's the big question
10:44		jnthn	:-)
10:44		jnthn	Maybe the distinction is thunk vs "thunk" ;-)
10:45		moritz_	:-)
10:45		jnthn	But don't quote me on it.
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10:49		moritz_	it seems the parrot folks have improved the string handling quite a bit
10:49		moritz_	so please folks, test rakudo (compilation + spectest) on parrot r45367
10:50		* moritz_	can't, due to absense from $home computer
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10:52		* snarkyboojum	testing
10:52		* mathw	eagerly awaits the outcome
10:52		snarkyboojum	"chromatic: Rakudo !perl 6 compiles five times faster with a simpler four line change from me and @bacek.  Should run faster too" - sounds promising :)
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11:00		* jnthn	will try it too
11:00		snarkyboojum	real 4m17.106s on my machine during make - felt much faster
11:01		snarkyboojum	should have done a build prior to bumping parrot rev
11:02		snarkyboojum	used to take more than 10
11:02		snarkyboojum	at the very least :)
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11:22		jnthn	rakudo: say 252 / 60
11:22		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«4.2␤»
11:22		jnthn	rakudo: say 0.2 * 60
11:22		p6eval	rakudo 7d00af: OUTPUT«12␤»
11:22		jnthn	My build takes 4 mins 12 seconds now :-)
11:23		snarkyboojum	spectest ran in under 20 mins on my little lappy
11:23		snarkyboojum	but I got a fail in S12-methods/instance.t
11:24		jnthn	I think I accidentally that test yesterday. :-(
11:25		snarkyboojum	it's the 'dies_ok( { Zoo.new.c }, "meth(%h) is not a valid method call syntax"' test
11:26		dalek	rakudo: 0dcfc67 | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/core/Any-num.pm:
11:26		dalek	rakudo: Rewrite Any.abs to dispatch to the proper Numeric role.
11:26		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]0fb6368f74a5446b3
11:26		jnthn	Yup
11:26		jnthn	$*SCOPE somehow leaks.
11:27		jnthn	And ourses something it shouldn't.
11:28		snarkyboojum	:|
11:28		snarkyboojum	more contextuals fun
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11:31		snarkyboojum	w00t.. touched a file in builtins and in core and did a make - 2m30s :)
11:36		snarkyboojum	just pulled colomon's change to Any-num.pm and did a make - 2m31s :)
11:36		snarkyboojum	ok I'll stop now
11:36		colomon	:)
11:48		m6locks	so hows things with that debugger, i'd seriously like to have one
11:48		m6locks	regards, newbie
11:49		m6locks	it's not that i can't survive without it, i's just that it's pretty time-consuming adding a thousand lines of say "$thisvariable"
11:50		m6locks	cs i make a lot of mistakes ;P
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11:55		dalek	rakudo: a1a04af | jonathan++ | build/PARROT_REVISION:
11:55		dalek	rakudo: Bump to latest Parrot that includes build performance improvements.
11:55		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]6fd6faf4aac7582e3
11:59		colomon	So this is the bump that will slow down our builds again, right?  ;)
11:59		moritz_	colomon: I hope not
11:59		masak	over at StackOverflow today, everyone's picture has been replaced by a colorful unicorn...
12:00		moritz_	colomon: there was a commit that should fix the slowness that was introduces by the memory savings
12:00		jnthn	colomon: No, the performance has been improved as well as the memory usage now. :-)
12:00		colomon	\o/
12:00		jnthn	colomon: It built fast enough for me.
12:00		jnthn	Possibly faster than before the memory improvements.
12:00		snarkyboojum	2.5 min builds are rocking here
12:01		colomon	wow, that's a lot of parrot update.
12:03		moritz_	is Z, the same as Z (as an infix operator)?
12:03		jnthn	Think so.
12:03		moritz_	rakudo: say <a b c> Z, <1 2 3>
12:03		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«a 1b 2c 3␤»
12:03		jnthn	rakudo: say <a b c> Z <1 2 3>
12:03		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«a1b2c3␤»
12:03		moritz_	rakudo: say (<a b c> Z, <1 2 3>).perl
12:04		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«(("a", "1"), ("b", "2"), ("c", "3"))␤»
12:04		* masak	smells a bug
12:04		moritz_	well, I think the parcels should flatten in list context
12:05		colomon	rakudo: say (<a b c> Z <1 2 3>).perl
12:05		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«("a", "1", "b", "2", "c", "3")␤»
12:06		jnthn	aye
12:06		colomon	I think we still have flattening issues...
12:06		jnthn	EOUTOFSTEAMROLLERS
12:08		* masak	submits rakudobug
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12:10		JimmyZ	hello, moritz_
12:11		colomon	Z doesn't even try to return the pairs as a parcel.
12:11		moritz_	good localtime() JimmyZ
12:11		colomon	I have a vague memory that bad things happened when I did try to return the pairs that way.
12:12		JimmyZ	I saw there were two Announce of release #27 on rakudo.org
12:12		moritz_	JimmyZ: aye. Before I wrote the second, the first one would not show up
12:12		moritz_	I fear that deleting one takes down the other
12:12		JimmyZ	oh
12:12		takadonet1	morning all
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12:14		colomon	o/
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12:14		masak	takadonet1: \o
12:14		writer	Hi everyone
12:15		takadonet1	writer: hey
12:15		* writer	tried to run a program from the perl6 book and got this error: http://pastebin.com/1d5VmLCt
12:15		writer	hello takadonet1 :)
12:15		masak	writer: I'll have a look. we don't expect all programs from the book to run on master yet...
12:15		writer	Oh, okay.
12:15		moritz_	writer: it's a known problem of the current rakudo
12:16		writer	BtW, I'm running rakudo 2010.03 with 2.2.0
12:16		moritz_	writer: you can work around it by changing line 27 to read   #
12:16		moritz_	my @sorted = @names.sort({ %sets{$_} }).Seq.sort({ %games{$_} }).reverse;
12:16		* masak	grumbles
12:16		masak	a paste service that can't copy/paste properly has missed something.
12:17		moritz_	with rakudo 2010.01 it should work (after that some regressions were introduces by a huge rewrite)
12:17		writer	thanks moritz_ masak
12:18		m6locks	rakudo: role A { method foo($arg is rw) { $arg = 42; return $arg; } }; say A.foo(6)
12:18		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to readonly value␤current instr.: '&die' pc 17192 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:399)␤»
12:18		writer	so ideally, you don't need '.Seq' ?
12:18		m6locks	shouldn't that argument be rw?
12:18		moritz_	writer: no, you don't
12:18		moritz_	m6locks: how do you write to the integer 6?
12:19		writer	okay, thanks
12:19		moritz_	m6locks: in ideal Perl 6, the binding of the signature would already fail
12:19		moritz_	because 6 is not writeable
12:19		moritz_	in rakudo only the assignment fails
12:20		m6locks	ok, but can i has rw arguments at all?
12:20		moritz_	sure
12:20		jnthn	Yes, but you need to pass in a variable. :-)
12:21		jnthn	The binder should akshually check it for you...
12:21		m6locks	rakudo: role A { method foo($arg is rw) { $arg = 42; return $arg; } }; my $six = 6; say A.foo($six)
12:21		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«42␤»
12:21		m6locks	ok, workd
12:21		m6locks	:)
12:22		jnthn	rakudo: say [min] <man e kass>
12:22		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«e␤»
12:25		snarkyboojum	masak: pity about the foreach issue you noted
12:25		colomon	alpha: for <a b c> Z <1 2 3> -> $x { say $x; }
12:25		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«a␤1␤b␤2␤c␤3␤»
12:26		colomon	> for <a b c> Z <1 2 3> -> $x { say $x; }
12:26		colomon	a 1
12:26		colomon	b 2
12:26		colomon	c 3
12:26		colomon	(that's with Z patched to be Z,)
12:26		* moritz_	doesn't think that's correct
12:26		colomon	as far as I know, alpha is correct here.
12:30		masak	snarkyboojum: yes, well, Perl tends to favour a "liberty at all costs" party line. it'd be strange if you were allowed to call your subs "sub", "loop". "while". "class" and "multi", but not "foreach" :)
12:31		snarkyboojum	I'd still like an awesomized error message tho :)
12:31		jnthn	Just change it to
12:31		masak	yes, me too.
12:31		jnthn	<sym> <!before '('>
12:32		jnthn	or better, <sym> <.nofun>
12:32		snarkyboojum	excellent :)
12:32		jnthn	btw
12:32		jnthn	rakudo: /lol/i
12:32		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of /i; in Perl 6 please use :i at line 11, near ""␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
12:32		jnthn	rakudo: class A { }; my $x = new A();
12:32		p6eval	rakudo 0dcfc6: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of C++ constructor syntax; in Perl 6 please use method call syntax at line 11, near "();"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
12:32		snarkyboojum	w00t
12:33		snarkyboojum	so v. cool :)
12:35		snarkyboojum	I'd like to add the @array = [Proxy.new, Proxy.new], ok !@array.exists(2) type test to S32-array/exists.t :), but that's probably not appropriate if Proxy is temporary
12:35		snarkyboojum	but would make exists fail :P
12:36		masak	snarkyboojum: try to create the two proxies in some other way.
12:36		masak	for example by using .delete
12:36		snarkyboojum	masak: I like it - will have a tinker
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12:38		bphillips	I'm not sure who owns this but the rakudo.org RSS feed is broken (doesn't show any updates since February 2009
12:41		masak	bphillips: thanks for letting us know. I also don't really know who has responsibility.
12:41		masak	maybe pmichaud.
12:42		writer	Is perl6 also a lazy language like haskell ?
12:43		colomon	writer: I think haskell may be more lazy, but basically yes.
12:44		masak	writer: there's a tendency to make list-like things lazy in Perl 6.
12:46		colomon	rakudo: (1, 1, *+* ... * ZR~ 'a'..'z').perl.say
12:46		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a:  ( no output )
12:46		writer	so this means, if I never used value from of a function invocation, then that function will never be invoked ? or it is just applicable to list, like if I read a whole 3G file in memory $file.get and then never used it, then that will not any cause disk activity ?
12:47		colomon	writer: functions are generally not lazy in p6
12:47		JimmyZ	rakudo: ( 1+1, (2+2).say).perl.say
12:47		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«4␤(2, Bool::True)␤»
12:48		colomon	if you read the file using $file.lines and don't do anything with it, that shouldnot cause disk activity.  (Ideally, may still be some issues in the current Rakudo implementation.)
12:48		jnthn	writer: In that case, you probably want $file.lines, for example. But that will return an iterator.
12:48		jnthn	Thus only reading the file if you iterate it.
12:48		masak	rakudo: say say say say 1
12:48		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«1␤1␤1␤1␤»
12:48		masak	:P
12:49		JimmyZ	rakudo: ( 1+1, (2+2).WHAT.say).perl.say
12:49		writer	okay
12:49		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Int()␤(2, Bool::True)␤»
12:49		jnthn	Perl 6. Stuttering compatible. :-)
12:50		colomon	rakudo: ((1, 1, *+* ... *) ZR~ 'a'..'z').perl.say
12:50		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«("a1", "b1", "c2", "d3", "e5", "f8", "g13", "h21", "i34", "j55", "k89", "l144", "m233", "n377", "o610", "p987", "q1597", "r2584", "s4181", "t6765", "u10946", "v17711", "w28657", "x46368", "y75025", "z121393")␤»
12:51		masak	that's crazy :)
12:52		* moritz_	loves craziness
12:52		snarkyboojum	rakudo: say say say say 2
12:52		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«2␤1␤1␤1␤»
12:52		snarkyboojum	it changed my stutter!
12:52		snarkyboojum	:P
12:53		jnthn	> foreach my $x (1,2,3) { }
12:53		jnthn	Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at line 1 (1,"
12:53		jnthn	> sub foreach() { say "pijem rad pivo" }; foreach()
12:53		jnthn	pijem rad pivo
12:53		colomon	writer: took me a minute to get that right, needed the extra parens.  anyway, (1, 1, *+* ... *) is the infinite Fibonacci series, but because lists are lazy, there's no problem using it.  In this case, the ZR~ operation stops when either side runs out of elements.
12:55		writer	okay, I'm still understanding, btw, regarding the code I posted, I added: "@names.sort({ %sets{$_} }).WHAT.say; ␤ @names.sort({ %sets{$_} }).Seq.WHAT.say;" and it printed "Parcel()␤Seq()"
12:55		writer	rakudo: (1, 1).WHAT.say
12:55		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
12:55		moritz_	so the result of .sort is a Parcel
12:55		moritz_	although it should probably be a Seq
12:56		writer	moritz_: okay, Parcel is like tuples, right ?
12:56		moritz_	but more importantly, .sort on a Parcel doesn't work properly
12:56		moritz_	writer: it's not that easy to answer... a Parcel is what you get when you write (something)
12:56		moritz_	Parcel = parenthesis cell
12:57		moritz_	but it should hide rather quicklz
12:57		moritz_	*quickly
12:57		snarkyboojum	with a , right?
12:57		JimmyZ	rakudo: ( -1, -2, (2+2).say ).pick(1).say
12:57		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (1).WHAT.say
12:57		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«4␤-2␤»
12:57		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Int()␤»
12:57		moritz_	so if you write @A = (1, 2, 3) you get an Array, not Parcel
12:57		moritz_	snarkyboojum: right
12:57		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (1,).WHAT.say
12:57		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
12:57		moritz_	and a parcel of a single item should behave just like that item
12:58		moritz_	so it's mostly transparent
12:58		JimmyZ	rakudo: ( -1, -2, (2+2).say ).pick(1).say; # is not lazy?
12:58		moritz_	but in rakudo it's not
12:58		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«4␤-1␤»
12:58		moritz_	JimmyZ: apparently not
12:58		writer	rakudo: [1,2,3].WHAT.say ; (1,2,3).WHAT.say
12:58		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Array()␤Parcel()␤»
12:58		writer	rakudo: [9,8,7].sort.WHAT.say
12:58		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
12:58		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (1..2).WHAT.say
12:59		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Range()␤»
12:59		* JimmyZ	wonders whether it will be lazy?
12:59		writer	okay, so, sort converts Array() into Parcel()
12:59		snarkyboojum	so commas construct parcels...
12:59		snarkyboojum	or do I have that wrong
12:59		PerlJam	good morning
13:00		moritz_	snarkyboojum: no, you have that right
13:00		writer	rakudo: (1..10).say
13:00		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«12345678910␤»
13:00		writer	rakudo: (10..1).sort.say
13:00		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Method 'sort' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
13:00		moritz_	snarkyboojum: I was wrong to say that the parens alone do it - that has changed
13:00		snarkyboojum	moritz_: ok. cheers.
13:00		moritz_	writer: that should also work
13:00		writer	moritz_: what should ?
13:00		moritz_	writer: ... but 10..1 is the empty range
13:00		moritz_	writer: .sort on a Range
13:01		moritz_	alpha: say (1..10).sort
13:01		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«12345678910␤»
13:01		moritz_	alpha: say Range ~~ Positional
13:01		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«1␤»
13:01		moritz_	and .sort is a method from the Positional role
13:01		jnthn	...is it?
13:01		writer	rakudo: (1..10,2..4).WHAT
13:01		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a:  ( no output )
13:01		writer	rakudo: (1..10,2..4).WHAT.say
13:01		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
13:02		jnthn	moritz_: I think akshually it's in Cool...
13:02		writer	rakudo: (1..10,2..4).sort.WHAT.say
13:02		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Multiple Dispatch: No suitable candidate found for 'cmp', with signature 'PP->I'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤... call repeated 1 times␤»
13:02		moritz_	jnthn: that too
13:03		writer	rakudo: 2..3.WHAT.say
13:03		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Int()␤»
13:04		PerlJam	that's the same one as ...
13:04		writer	rakudo: [10..1].sort.say
13:04		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«␤»
13:04		writer	rakudo: (10..1).sort.say
13:04		PerlJam	rakudo: my Int @a; @a.WHAT.say;
13:04		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Method 'sort' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
13:04		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«()␤»
13:04		writer	rakudo: (1..10).sort.say
13:04		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Method 'sort' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
13:04		PerlJam	Hmm
13:05		writer	moritz_: you said, <moritz_> writer: that should also work, <moritz_> writer: .sort on a Range
13:05		writer	Is, "say (1..10).sort", any different than "(1..10).sort.say" ?
13:06		writer	rakudo: (1..10).sort.WHAT.say
13:06		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Method 'sort' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
13:06		PerlJam	writer: different in dispatch
13:06		writer	rakudo: say (1..10).sort
13:06		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Method 'sort' not found for invocant of class 'Range'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
13:06		writer	so alpha, and rakudo are different versions ?
13:07		PerlJam	writer: alpha is the version of rakudo as it existed in January (basically)
13:07		moritz_	writer: 'alpha' is rakudo before the big refactor
13:07		PerlJam	writer: before the move to nqp-rx
13:07		dalek	rakudo: b3e08f9 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
13:07		dalek	rakudo: Add totally awesome error message for foreach.
13:07		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]83d2f2771c352153b
13:07		writer	Oh, okay
13:07		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (5..6, 2..4).iterator.sort.say
13:08		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«23456␤»
13:08		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (5..6, 2..4).sort.say
13:08		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Multiple Dispatch: No suitable candidate found for 'cmp', with signature 'PP->I'␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤... call repeated 1 times␤»
13:08		JimmyZ	rakudo: foreach <1 2 3> {}
13:08		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "foreach <1"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
13:08		writer	alpha: (5..6, 2..4).sort.say
13:08		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«23456␤»
13:09		snarkyboojum	rakudo: (5..9).iterator.sort.say
13:09		writer	alpha: (5..6, 2..4).sort.WHAT.say
13:09		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«56789␤»
13:09		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«List()␤»
13:09		writer	alpha: (5..6, 2..4).WHAT.say
13:09		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«List()␤»
13:09		writer	alpha: (5..6).WHAT.say
13:09		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«Range()␤»
13:09		writer	alpha: (5,3,6).WHAT.say
13:09		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«List()␤»
13:09		jnthn	JimmyZ: ETOOSOON :-)
13:09		writer	rakudo: (5,3,6).WHAT.say
13:09		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
13:10		JimmyZ	rakudo: ( -1, -2, (2+2).say ).pick(1).say; # Will it be lazy?
13:10		p6eval	rakudo a1a04a: OUTPUT«4␤1␤»
13:10		JimmyZ	jnthn: Yeah, just want to took a look.
13:11		moritz_	JimmyZ: laziness is only guarantueed for infinite lists
13:11		moritz_	so maybe not
13:11		* writer	thanks god for not hacking world in perl6 ;)
13:12		jnthn	infix:<,> doesn't itself caused any thunking or delayed evaluation.
13:12		jnthn	It just doesn't cause already lazy thingies to become unlazy.
13:12		JimmyZ	ok
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13:28		JimmyZ	Good night, perl6
13:32		masak	night, Jimmy of the Light.
13:37		slavik	it's 9:37AM ... what night
13:38		jnthn	slavik: In China they're like, really technologically advanced now, so night comes earlier there.
13:39		slavik	US fail :(
13:40		snarkyboojum	it's night at 9:37am in Antartica around late June :)
13:41		mathw	it's night all the time in Antarctica around late June :)
13:41		m6locks	could parrot be made run as a daemon instance so that it wouldn't take so much tim to parse, now it takes 3 seconds to load the module even if it is pir-compiled
13:41		snarkyboojum	mathw: aye ;)
13:41		jnthn	Clearly the penguins are extremely advanced technologically.
13:42		PerlJam	jnthn: certainly!  They gave us linux after all.
13:42		moritz_	m6locks: are you using the newest parrot from svn?
13:42		jnthn	m6locks: Closest I've seen to anyone doing that was mod_perl6.
13:42		snarkyboojum	images of penguins wearing microcomputers running linux in 24 hr darkness lol
13:42		m6locks	moritz_: i guess so
13:42		mathw	all they need is the faint illumination from their OLED displays
13:43		moritz_	m6locks: guessing is no good
13:43		masak	halp, #perl6! why won't these two tests not pass? http://gist.github.com/351813
13:43		m6locks	funny how --version does not print the revision number
13:44		m6locks	oh, was trying parrot ,sorry
13:44		m6locks	parrot revision 45178
13:45		masak	here's the whole program, just for full disclosure: http://github.com/masak/tardis[…]f1a4/lib/Yapsi.pm
13:45		mathw	masak: ...because declaration is 'my' <variable>, and then it doesn't know what to do with the ' = 42;' bit?
13:45		jnthn	masak: Was the double negative intentional? :-)
13:45		masak	mathw: at which point it should backtrack, no?
13:45		mathw	then what's it going to find?
13:46		masak	jnthn: oops. no :)
13:46		mathw	where else will it match my?
13:46		masak	<assignment> calls <lvalue> which calls <declaration>
13:46		PerlJam	masak: expression is what backtracks and when that happens, it no longer matches "my"
13:47		jnthn	yes, but it's already committed to declaration
13:47		jnthn	Remember rules and tokens don't backtack.
13:47		masak	d'oh!
13:47		PerlJam	ah, indeed.
13:47		PerlJam	jnthn++
13:47		mathw	this is why I don't use them
13:47		mathw	because that always bites me
13:47		masak	:)
13:48		masak	the first failing test passes now.
13:48		masak	what about the second one?
13:48		masak	(I just rearranged <assignment> to be first in <expression>, btw)
13:49		jnthn	masak: Maybe whitespace handling fejl?
13:49		masak	no, I think I found it.
13:49		PerlJam	jnthn: that's what I would guess too
13:49		jnthn	Though assignment is a rule, so maybe not...
13:49		masak	yup, it was the try block in the test file catching a warning from the module.
13:49		PerlJam	(but guessing is apparently no good ;)
13:49		masak	the warning was 'useless redeclaration of $a'
13:50		masak	alpha: try { warn "A"; say "B" }; say "C"
13:50		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«C␤»
13:50		masak	rakudo: try { warn "A"; say "B" }; say "C"
13:50		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«C␤»
13:51		jnthn	d'oh.
13:52		moritz_	it's fine to catch warnings, iirc
13:52		moritz_	if you don't want warnings to be caught, you, do use note() instead of warn()
13:52		jnthn	oh
13:53		* jnthn	didn't know that one
13:53		PerlJam	there's a guy down the hall from my office whose voice sounds like a little girl crying right now (though I'm pretty sure that's *not* the effect he's going for)
13:53		masak	rakudo: note("But note() isn't implemented! :(")
13:53		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &note␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
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13:54		masak	I'll just use $*ERR.say for now :)
13:54		jnthn	masak: note("it'd be easy to implement") ;-)
13:54		masak	:)
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13:55		masak	all tests pass! \o/
13:55		jnthn	Write more tests.
13:55		jnthn	;)
13:55		* masak	is on it :)
13:55		masak	I think I might be able to make that release today :)
13:55		masak	just need to write a SIC serializer and a small runtime :P
13:59		bamccaig	Anybody know why perl6-allperl.org has me receiving messages from bugs-bitbucketrt.perl.org? They appear to contain logs from here?
14:00		masak	I can explain why they contain logs from here, but not the first part.
14:00		moritz_	bamccaig: the bugs address seems to be partially aliased to perl6-compiler@perl.org, because that's where bug reports are sent to
14:01		moritz_	and the bug tracking system tracks answers to these messagegs
14:01		moritz_	*messages
14:03		bamccaig	I see.
14:04		bamccaig	They have just be very cryptic and too hard for me to understand so I wanted to figure out why I was getting them. >_> I'll just have Gmail archive them, I guess.
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14:05		masak	bamccaig: sorry about making them cryptic. over the years, each of them are 'complete' in that they describe a bug in sufficient detail... but most of them are quite mundane and perhaps require a greater involvement to be interesting.
14:05		moritz_	bamccaig: if you mean the bug reports, they often contain snippets of Perl 6 code, and how we feed them to a bot, and its response
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14:11		bamccaig	It's all good. What really threw me is that they appear to be machine sent, but contain no disclaimers to explain where they came from any why...
14:11		masak	:)
14:11		* masak	has been called a machine before
14:11		bamccaig	^_^
14:12		masak	"I know Kung Fu."
14:14		moritz_	I've heard of Kung Fu too. Does that count? :-)
14:14		masak	bamccaig: they end up in RT, here: http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/[…]lay.html?id=73948
14:15		masak	at least one email is sent to p6c, upon their creating.
14:15		PerlJam	I used to watch Kung Fu when I was younger.  And not too long ago I used to watch Kung Fu Theater
14:16		* mathw	doesn't know kung fu, but does know some aikido... does that count?
14:16		moritz_	mathw: nope, cheating
14:16		* masak	doesn't actually know Kung Fu, but has high hopes for those brain software loaders
14:17		mathw	moritz_: that's okay, as long as I get to keep winning fights with people who think they know kung fu :)
14:17		moritz_	mathw: that's okay, as long as we never meet in meat space :-)
14:18		moritz_	(or you just chose not to fight :-)
14:18		mathw	fighting would be counterproductive
14:18		mathw	we wouldn't get much hacking done
14:19		PerlJam	mathw: especially with someone lying injured on the floor
14:19		masak	swimming &
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14:24		pmichaud	good morning, #perl6
14:24		pmichaud	(spectest-update)  I have the updated numbers for march, just need to post/commit them.
14:24		jnthn	morning, pmichaud
14:25		PerlJam	greetings pm
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14:27		colomon	o/
14:27		mathw	o/ pmichaud
14:28		moritz_	/o/
14:29		mathw	\o\
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14:29		jnthn	\o/ |\o/| o< /o\
14:29		jnthn	;-)
14:30		mathw	aaaaargh
14:30		* mathw	hides
14:30		okeCay	o/\o !
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14:37		PerlJam	http://www.starbucks.com/blog/[…]r-more-sizes.aspx
14:37		PerlJam	that one is almost good enough to be real  :)
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14:41		mathw	http://aht.seriouseats.com/arc[…]ggie-burgers.html is my favourite so far
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14:50		* bamccaig	now seems why perl6 is just a dream... :P
14:50		bamccaig	s/seems/sees/
14:51		moritz_	it's so nice when dreams gradually become reality
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14:54		TimToady	@carlmasak RT Going back and forth between Perl 5 and Perl 6, I'm constantly relieved at how much easier either one is to program in than the other. ☺
14:55		* okeCay	tries to parse that.
14:57		snarkyboojum	rakudo: foreach 1,2,3 { .say }
14:57		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at line 11, near " 1,2,3 { ."␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
14:57		snarkyboojum	yay
14:59		* Coke-san	wonders if rakudo is generating its PBCs with -O
15:00		moritz_	don't think so... should it?
15:00		moritz_	and does it really make a difference?
15:00		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach {}; foreach();
15:00		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 107m␤»
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15:01		snarkyboojum	rakudo: sub foreach {}; foreach();
15:01		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f:  ( no output )
15:01		snarkyboojum	std: foreach 1,2,3 { .say }
15:01		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/G1RNvGEHHf line 1:␤------> foreach⏏ 1,2,3 { .say }␤FAILED 00:01 104m␤»
15:01		pyrimidine	std: tr/A-Z/a-z/
15:01		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of - as character range; in Perl 6 please use .. at /tmp/3BY2pqvMWX line 1:␤------> tr/A-⏏Z/a-z/␤FAILED 00:01 106m␤»
15:02		pyrimidine	std: tr/A..Z/a..z/
15:02		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 105m␤»
15:02		Coke-san	moritz_: there are some small optimizations that occur when you do that. It's probably not worth the extra compile time at this point.
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15:03		snarkyboojum	rakudo: sub foreach(@list) {}; foreach <1 2 3>
15:03		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at line 11, near " <1 2 3>"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
15:04		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach(@list) {}; foreach <1 2 3>
15:04		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/ujgz7NU5Sz line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) {}; foreach⏏ <1 2 3>␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
15:04		snarkyboojum	so masak's test case still fails
15:06		snarkyboojum	bed&
15:06		pyrimidine	std: 'AAAA' ~~ tr/A..D..H/a..d..h/
15:06		p6eval	std 30254: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 106m␤»
15:07		pyrimidine	TimToady: should that work?
15:07		pyrimidine	I'm guessing that would be converted to tr/A..H/a..h/?
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15:12		TimToady	it should probably be disallowed
15:12		TimToady	std isn't quite that sophisticated yet
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15:15		pyrimidine	yes, I think so too.  I just collapse them in alpha
15:15		pyrimidine	alpha: say 'ABCDE'.trans('A..D..H' => 'a..d..h');
15:15		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«abcde␤»
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16:48		colomon	lolIblogged: http://justrakudoit.wordpress.[…]ipping-my-toe-in/
16:48		colomon	and now off to the dentist.  :(
16:50		ash_	my dog just chipped one of her teeth, hope nothing like thats happened to you
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16:56		Coke-san	austin from parrot just had a tooth pulled unexpectedly. Watch out for those dentists!
16:57		m6locks	i just scheduled my tooth pulling sessoin...
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16:57		Coke-san	colomon: is your blog in the planet perl6 ?
16:57		Coke-san	s/the/
16:58		jnthn	Coke-san: We'd like it added, asked obra but not sure if he noticed the message or got chance.
16:58		jnthn	Coke-san: Is it something you have access to do too?
16:59		Coke-san	jnthn: ... I have privs on the parrot one. They might have given me privs on the p6 one too. let me see if I can find the repo.
17:00		jnthn	Cool, thanks. :-)
17:00		Coke-san	nope. it is correctly limited to parrot. I can ask for privs to the perl6 one too, though.
17:01		jnthn	OK, and thank for checking. :-)
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17:02		Coke-san	I pinged the admins.
17:04		obra	Someone other than me should ask webmasterperl.org for planet6 bits, since I don't really...have a whole lot to do with perl6 these days
17:07		* moritz_	writes email
17:10		Coke-san	obra: I'm on it.
17:10		Coke-san	obra: you going to risk buying an ipad? =-)
17:11		obra	Coke-san: "risk"/
17:11		obra	?
17:12		Coke-san	obra: didn't you have fun purchasing a nook?
17:14		obra	ah, i'm buying the ipad retail
17:15		Coke-san	I'm wondering it it would make a decent travel machine. I look forward to reading a blog entry about it.
17:16		TimToady	obra: o/
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17:16		pmurias	ruoso: hi
17:18		obra	Coke-san: I'll see what I can do :)
17:18		obra	Right now, most of my cycles that aren't work are going toward getting 5.12.0 out.
17:19		obra	And trying to find a reasonable middleground around getting old perl4 libraries onto the CPAN since it was decided that they should be removed from the core (before I got involved).
17:20		obra	I'm absolutely thrilled that we're getting toward a reasoanble way to migrate outdated libraries from core to the CPAN without unduly hurting end users.
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17:21		TimToady	Perl 6 is still in the business of hurting people on purpose :)
17:22		TimToady	hopefully not for much longer though...
17:22		* obra	grins.
17:23		obra	I do wish that things which were deprecated had warned by default since day one.
17:24		obra	I've been having a bit of a hard time working through any reasonable way to engage with Tom C's "if my perl 4 scripts start to emit new warnings in Perl 5.12, then the terrorists have won" argument.
17:25		[particle]	today, we are all terrorists.
17:25		ruoso	hi pmurias
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17:27		Coke-san	obra: ... is that an actual argument or a strawman?
17:27		Coke-san	(seems the obvious answer to that is: please keep using perl4.)
17:27		[particle]	Coke-san: this is tchrist, it's an actual argument.
17:27		pmurias	ruoso: i'm considering including releasing mildew to CPAN in the gsoc application
17:28		Coke-san	I used to compile perl4 on xenix and sco unix after downloading it off a 2600 baud modem. those were heady days.
17:28		* Coke-san	questions his faulty memory of baud rates.
17:29		obra	You read 2600 while waiting for perl to download on your 2400 baud modem
17:29		pmurias	ruoso: so it would the proposal would be "put mildew on CPAN and then work on the type inference"
17:29		pmurias	ruoso: do you think that makes sense?
17:30		pugssvn	r30255 | pmurias++ | [mildew] progress on Type::Scope
17:30		ruoso	pmurias, releasing mildew on CPAN is certainly a nice project
17:31		ruoso	I think it would be a good project on its own
17:31		pugssvn	r30256 | pmurias++ | [mildew] infering the type of container in a lexical
17:31		pugssvn	r30257 | pmurias++ | [mildew]
17:31		pugssvn	r30257 | infering the type of integer constants
17:31		pugssvn	r30257 | infering the type of the content of the scalar
17:31		pugssvn	r30258 | pmurias++ | [mildew] register usage information can be gathered from many registers
17:39		pmurias	ruoso: getting rid of the haskell and python deps, refactoring out the backends, generate Makefiles.PLpacking up smop,bundling STD
17:40		pmurias	ruoso: getting rid of the haskell and python deps, refactoring out the backends, generate Makefiles.PL's with Dist::Zilla, packing up smop,bundling STD
17:40		pmurias	ruoso: anything else needed for releasing mildew to CPAN?
17:42		ruoso	pmurias, I don't think so...
17:42		ruoso	It's a cool project
17:43		ruoso	it would be even cooler if you could add a v6-mildew variant
17:45		pmurias	there's already a v6 on CPAN
17:45		ruoso	v6-mildew?
17:47		pmurias	use v6-mildew compiles into 'use v6 qw(mildew)'
17:48		pmurias	use v6_mildew would work fine, but looks a bit less cool
17:50		ruoso	I'm pretty sure fglock would like the idea of turning v6 into\'
17:50		ruoso	\
17:50		Coke-san	obra; that sounds MUCH more plausible. =-)
17:50		Coke-san	I blame the xenix exposure.
17:50		ruoso	into something modular, that could load different implementations
17:50		* ruoso	's child trying to type at the same time
17:51		ruoso	and get Pugs::Compiler::Rule based version to a different package
17:59		pmurias	std: use v6-mildew
17:59		p6eval	std 30258: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤  Can't locate module v6-mildew at /tmp/hWSINfwTiz line 0 (EOF):␤------> use v6-milde⏏w␤ok 00:01 107m␤»
17:59		pmurias	std: use v6-alpha
17:59		p6eval	std 30258: OUTPUT«Can't call method "Str" on an undefined value at STD.pm line 11718.␤FAILED 00:01 104m␤»
17:59		TimToady	that is ancient syntax, long gone in p6
18:01		pmurias	TimToady: any ideas what should be used to tell p5 to switch to p6?
18:02		TimToady	well, STD still contains: token module_name:deprecated { 'v6-alpha' }
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18:02		TimToady	but it is deprecated, and if we can find another way
18:03		TimToady	maybe if we simply remove that rule, it'll now parse 'v6-alpha' as a single name, and if that can be made to do the right thing...
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18:04		TimToady	or switch to v6-mildew; as you can see, it tried to look that up.
18:05		pmurias	Can't call method "Str" on an undefined value at STD.pm line 11718. what could be causing that
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18:06		* pmurias	tries to hunt that error down
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18:07		TimToady	that's easy, there's no longname
18:07		TimToady	if we just delete that rule, no problem :)
18:09		pmurias	should i do that?
18:11		TimToady	we added it as a special rule before - was allowed in identifiers, I think
18:12		TimToady	now v6-alpha is a valid name, so we can just use it like that
18:12		TimToady	so we'll just delete the special rule
18:12		pugssvn	r30259 | pmurias++ | [STD] remove the v6-alpha rule
18:35		pugssvn	r30260 | lwall++ | [STD] catch bad ranges in tr/// for pyrimidine++
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18:50		moritz_	wow, rakudo rebuild + spectest now in 16min
18:50		moritz_	(with two cores)
18:51		mberends	I believe it's chromatic++ bacek++ who deserve our tremendous thanks :)
18:51		moritz_	aye
18:52		Coke-san	(16m) down from?
18:53		moritz_	about half an hour - didn't really measure though
18:54		moritz_	and memory usage is also drastically reduced
18:55		alester	How did we ever live without say?
18:56		moritz_	alester: painfully
18:57		TimToady	there was already one obvious way to do it.  :)
19:01		TimToady	std: tr/a..z/a..b..z/
19:01		p6eval	std 30260: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Range missing start character on the left at /tmp/39HZleORNX line 1:␤------> tr/a..z/a..b..⏏z/␤FAILED 00:01 108m␤»
19:01		TimToady	std: use v6-alpha;
19:01		p6eval	std 30260: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:␤  Can't locate module v6-alpha at /tmp/vafcqLobfD line 1:␤------> use v6-alpha⏏;␤ok 00:01 105m␤»
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19:04		Coke-san	I suppose it's too late to complain that 'say' is occupied by /usr/bin/say (OS X) , and we'll need to pick some other word. =-)
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19:09		pyrimidine	TimToady: nice! (re: tr///)
19:09		TimToady	it was harder than I expected...
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19:16		Coke-san	t/spec/S32-array/exists.rakudo                               (Wstat: 0 Tests: 15 Failed: 0) TODO passed:   9
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19:22		pugssvn	r30261 | moritz++ | [t/spec] skip a passing TODO test that is likely a false positive
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19:49		colomon	rakudo: say 1 <=> 2
19:49		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«-1␤»
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19:53		pmurias	Coke-san: a lot of other functions are also commands
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19:54		moritz_	rakudo: sub a([$a, @b]) { say @b.perl }; a(<h j k>)
19:54		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter '@b'; expected Positional but got Str instead␤current instr.: 'a' pc 193 (EVAL_1:78)␤»
19:54		moritz_	rakudo: sub a([$a, *@b]) { say @b.perl }; a(<h j k>)
19:54		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«["j", "k"]␤»
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19:57		Coke-san	pmurias: I was not at all serious.
19:58		moritz_	rakudo: sub a([$a, *@b]) { say @b.perl }; a()
19:58		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 0 but expected 1␤current instr.: 'a' pc 179 (EVAL_1:77)␤»
19:58		moritz_	rakudo: sub a([$a, *@b]) { say @b.perl }; a(())
19:58		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 0 but expected at least 1␤current instr.: 'a' pc 190 (EVAL_1:78)␤»
19:58		moritz_	rakudo: sub a([$a, *@b]) { say @b.perl }; my @a; a(@a)
19:58		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 0 but expected at least 1␤current instr.: 'a' pc 219 (EVAL_1:91)␤»
20:00		* colomon	is kind of worried the sign tests must be broken, or at least severely lacking.
20:06		jnthn	moritz_: I plan to awesomize the error to point out when it's coming from a sub-sig at some point.
20:09		* moritz_	tries to find the syntax for unpacking hashes
20:09		jnthn	parens
20:10		moritz_	that's... inconsistent
20:10		moritz_	why not {...}?
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20:11		moritz_	rakudo: sub a(%h(:$id, *%bla)) { say %bla.perl }; a { id => 3, b => 3, c => 6 };
20:11		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«{"b" => 3, "c" => 6}␤»
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20:11		moritz_	rakudo: sub a(%(:$id, *%bla)) { say %bla.perl }; a { id => 3, b => 3, c => 6 };
20:11		masak	ahoy, #perl6!
20:11		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«{"b" => 3, "c" => 6}␤»
20:11		moritz_	\o/ it's masak
20:11		colomon	ahoy, masak!
20:12		jnthn	orkaitsmasak!
20:12		masak	:P
20:12		jnthn	;-)
20:12		TimToady	we can't have {...} unpacking because it's ambiguous after ->
20:12		jnthn	Couldn't resist. :-)
20:12		moritz_	TimToady: ah, right
20:12		jnthn	moritz_: (...) works for all of them akshually.
20:12		jnthn	moritz_: For positionals too.
20:13		jnthn	moritz_: The [...] form is just a little sugar for "and also label this parameter as needing a Positional"
20:13		TimToady	it's just [...] is a little more visually distinctive for that
20:13		jnthn	That too. :-_
20:14		TimToady	std: (1, 1, *+* ... * ZR~ 'a'..'z').perl.say
20:14		p6eval	std 30261: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤"..." and "ZR~" are non-associative and require parens at /tmp/KUQaAymEdS line 1:␤------> (1, 1, *+* ... * ZR~ ⏏'a'..'z').perl.say␤FAILED 00:01 109m␤»
20:15		TimToady	rakudo: (1, 1, *+* ... * ZR~ 'a'..'z').perl.say
20:15		colomon	TimToady: very nice
20:15		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f:  ( no output )
20:15		colomon	TimToady: doesn't properly error in Rakudo; I think it's trying to build 1, 1, *+* ... (* ZR~ 'a'..'z')
20:16		TimToady	yes, those used to all be right associative, so not surprising
20:17		colomon	hmmm.....
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20:22		dalek	book: 2d8922b | moritz++ | src/operators.pod:
20:22		dalek	book: [operators] small excursion to [+] and [*]; fix a thinko
20:22		dalek	book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]b03ec8027af92b0ff
20:22		dalek	book: ac507ae | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod:
20:22		dalek	book: [sigs] don't talk about type captures yet - they will later be explained in the multi dispatch chapter
20:22		dalek	book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]97ea5c0e2cb782edf
20:22		dalek	book: 5946226 | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod:
20:22		dalek	book: [subs] first shot at unpacking
20:22		dalek	book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]8c0b99d80277abb44
20:22		TimToady	try is not supposed to catch warnings, since it's a control exception
20:22		dalek	book: f563b19 | moritz++ | src/subs-n-sigs.pod:
20:22		dalek	book: [subs] mention slurpy named
20:22		dalek	book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/c[…]74bb6d4e0a77295b3
20:24		TimToady	rakudo: try { warn "A"; say "B" }; say "C"
20:24		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«C␤»
20:24		TimToady	this is incorrect
20:24		moritz_	it should say B\nC\n, right?
20:25		TimToady	try doesn't catch control exceptions, of which warn is one
20:25		TimToady	so it should say it all
20:25		moritz_	oh
20:25		masak	and 'note' only writes to STRERR, it doesn't throw anything, right?
20:25		jnthn	TimToady: Oh.
20:25		TimToady	correct
20:26		colomon	TimToady: how does ZR~ get to be non-assoc?  I'm not seeing it in STD.pm...
20:27		moritz_	rakudo: say $*ERR.say("foo")
20:27		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«foo␤1␤»
20:27		TimToady	S04:1101
20:28		pmurias	moritz_: when will be the book be ready for testing? (i could attempt to try it out on my flatmate)
20:28		TimToady	colomon: well, if you scan for the error message, you should find it about line 4691
20:28		moritz_	pmurias: don't know; not yet :(
20:28		moritz_	pmurias: but I'll notify you when it's ready
20:29		colomon	TimToady: is it this bit, then?
20:29		colomon	when 'list'  {
20:29		colomon	$assoc = 0 unless $infix<sym> eqv @opstack[*-1]<sym>;
20:29		colomon	}
20:29		TimToady	yes
20:29		colomon	thank you
20:30		colomon	It's only conditionally non-assoc, that's why I wasn't finding it up at the top of the file.  :)
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20:34		TimToady	nap &
20:37		moritz_	TimToady: should there be a method form of note()?
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20:41		pugssvn	r30262 | moritz++ | [t/spec] some (un)fudges for rakudo
20:41		pugssvn	r30263 | moritz++ | [t/spec] test that note() in a try block is not surpressed
20:43		dalek	rakudo: 833852d | moritz++ |  (2 files):
20:43		dalek	rakudo: implement note()
20:43		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]0c12c33ac26da337c
20:44		moritz_	any other LHFs in rakudo that I might look at?
20:45		* jnthn	ponders
20:45		masak	rakudo: Match
20:45		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &Match␤current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)␤»
20:46		masak	that one?
20:46		moritz_	masak: I've started to attack that, but it waits on review from pmichaud++
20:46		masak	oh.
20:46		jnthn	moritz_: S02-names_and_variables/fmt.t is still not being run.
20:46		jnthn	moritz_: I suspect that adding back missing .fmt methods would be quite LHF.
20:47		jnthn	moritz_: S03-metaops/reduce.t may be worth looking at too - we implement reduce now
20:47		moritz_	jnthn: good ideas, thanks
20:48		moritz_	rakudo: say (1.3,2.4,3).WHAT
20:48		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Parcel()␤»
20:48		moritz_	rakudo: say Parcel ~~ Seq
20:48		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«0␤»
20:48		moritz_	rakudo: say Seq ~~ Parcel
20:48		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«0␤»
20:48		jnthn	moritz_: Another thing - if you write a variant of the reduce that has a :triangle adverb, I can very trivially then wire up [\+] to pass it.
20:48		jnthn	s/adverb/named parameter/
20:48		moritz_	rakudo: say Parcel ~~ Positional
20:48		moritz_	noted.
20:48		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«1␤»
20:48		jnthn	making it multi and :$reduce! would do it.
20:49		moritz_	oh, Positional is still in PIR :/
20:49		* jnthn	is also quite curious about S04-statement-modifiers/given.t not being run.
20:50		jnthn	oh wait
20:50		jnthn	statement-modifiers, not statements
20:52		masak	what's the term for when something is bound like `$b := 42`? read-only variable? non-container variable?
20:52		jnthn	It's not very variable. ;-)
20:52		moritz_	"constant"?
20:52		moritz_	wait, a constant can't be rebound either, can it?
20:52		masak	but $b is still nominally a variable.
20:52		masak	that, too.
20:52		jnthn	Yeah
20:52		moritz_	it's a symbol
20:53		jnthn	$b ::= 42 and $b := 42 are different in that sense.
20:56		moritz_	rakudo: say (1..3).map({$_}).perl
20:56		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«(1, 2, 3)␤»
20:56		colomon	reduce doesn't actually handle the backwards cases yet either, does it?
20:56		colomon	like [**]
20:57		jnthn	no
20:58		colomon	more LHF...
20:58		moritz_	is it? :-)
20:58		moritz_	doesn't seem very L to me
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20:59		jnthn	Requires minor scrambling.
21:01		dalek	rakudo: 06ac481 | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/core/ (5 files):
21:01		dalek	rakudo: Move various versions of sign to Real.sign, clean up Any.sign a bit.
21:01		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]b5852f66610c8ddb1
21:02		colomon	also, adding the zero-arg versions of the various infix operators... LHF if ever there was LHF.
21:02		jnthn	Rakudo. It's like an orchard of low trees.
21:04		moritz_	.fmt patch coming...
21:04		moritz_	rakudo: say $_ given 2 * 3;
21:04		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Missing block at line 11, near ";"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
21:05		moritz_	jnthn: that's why given.t is not run - the statement modifying form is not run :/
21:05		moritz_	erm, s/run/parsed/
21:05		jnthn	moritz_: on it.
21:07		pyrimidine	jnthn: did bkeeler's patch make it in yet?
21:07		pyrimidine	(var interp in regexes)
21:07		moritz_	pyrimidine: nope, pmichaud wanted to review thoroughly first
21:08		pyrimidine	okay, thanks
21:09		moritz_	rakudo: say [||] 0, 7, 3
21:09		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &infix:<||>␤current instr.: '' pc -1 ((unknown file):-1)␤»
21:10		moritz_	rakudo: say [or] 0, 7, 3
21:10		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &infix:<or>␤current instr.: '' pc -1 ((unknown file):-1)␤»
21:11		colomon	I noticed those were missing when I was working on !op, but never got around to looking into it.
21:11		moritz_	rakudo: sub infix:<m>($a + $b + 1); say [m] 3, 4
21:11		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Symbol '$ss_SS_S_S__S_S_s' not predeclared in <anonymous>␤current instr.: 'perl6;PCT;HLLCompiler;panic' pc 152 (compilers/pct/src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:108)␤»
21:11		moritz_	that's an p6eval fuckup
21:12		colomon	rakudo: sub infix:<m>($a, $) {$a + $b + 1}; say [m] 3, 4
21:12		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Symbol '$b' not predeclared in infix:<m>␤current instr.: 'perl6;PCT;HLLCompiler;panic' pc 152 (compilers/pct/src/PCT/HLLCompiler.pir:108)␤»
21:12		colomon	rakudo: sub infix:<m>($a, $b) {$a + $b + 1}; say [m] 3, 4
21:12		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &infix:<m>␤current instr.: '' pc -1 ((unknown file):-1)␤»
21:12		moritz_	rakudo: say [<] 1, 3, 2, 4
21:12		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«1␤»
21:13		moritz_	it seems rakudo doesn't like reduces of chained ops
21:13		colomon	it doesn't do them right, that's for sure.
21:13		jnthn	moritz_: The problem is that we don't have an infix:<||> defined atm.
21:14		jnthn	moritz_: Because we compile it specially rather than calling infix:<||>
21:14		colomon	I'm assuming that's so it can short circuit?
21:14		jnthn	moritz_: However, you can add one (it won't interfere with normal || uses)
21:14		jnthn	colomon: Correct.
21:14		colomon	std: say [<] 1, 3, 2, 4
21:14		p6eval	std 30263: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 109m␤»
21:14		jnthn	rakudo: say [<] 1, 3, 2, 4
21:14		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«1␤»
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21:17		lichtkind	TimToady: if we have say why dont have we an buildin called ask reading from $*IN ? :)
21:17		jnthn	lichtkind: It's called prompt ;-)
21:18		lichtkind	jnthn: goth and its even in my own docs and i forgot
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21:20		colomon	I presume [<] 1, 3, 2, 4 is doing  ((1 < 3) < 2) < 4...
21:21		jnthn	Guess so.
21:21		jnthn	Well
21:21		jnthn	Not quite
21:21		lichtkind	no
21:21		jnthn	Oh
21:21		jnthn	hmm
21:21		lichtkind	actually it does
21:21		jnthn	Yes, we get that wrong.
21:21		jnthn	:-S
21:21		lichtkind	1<3, 3<2....
21:21		lichtkind	but wait i will look
21:22		lichtkind	colomon: yes i was remembering correct
21:22		lichtkind	colomon: actually if [<] @zahlen returns positive that array is sorted
21:24		colomon	yes, it's supposed to do 1 < 3 < 2 < 4, with proper chaining.
21:24		colomon	but that is not what it actually does
21:24		lichtkind	thats jnthns domain :)
21:25		jnthn	huh...what...
21:25		jnthn	:-P
21:25		lichtkind	haha
21:25		colomon	.reduce isn't actually defined at all, there's just a woefully inadequate implementation of the method in the spec.  :(
21:28		moritz_	jnthn: now trying with another infix:<||> rule
21:28		moritz_	s/rule/operator/
21:28		pmurias	is it possible to specify lazy builders for an attribute in Perl 6?
21:28		pmurias	that is a lazily built default
21:28		jnthn	pmurias: lazy builders as in...built first time it's accessed?
21:29		moritz_	has $.x = lazy { foo() }
21:29		moritz_	sure, why not?
21:31		pmurias	that feature of moose is very addictive
21:33		newbie	is it true that perl 6 compiler has speeded up at least 4 fold?
21:34		Tene	jaffa4: depends on when you're measuring from.
21:34		jaffa4	I read it on some twitter.
21:34		jaffa4	today
21:35		jaffa4	it said some 4 line changed caused substantial speed ups.
21:35		Tene	jaffa4: Yes, that's right.
21:35		moritz_	jaffa4: try it out yourself
21:36		sorear	A recent change caused a 16 fold speed up for me
21:36		sorear	it's still too slow, but at least it's within the realm of hackability now
21:36		colomon	that's a speed up in building the compiler, mind you.
21:36		jaffa4	is it not the compilation speed?
21:37		jnthn	I'd guess it generally helps a bit with parsing.
21:37		jnthn	jaffa4: Yes, that's where the real win is.
21:37		jnthn	jaffa4: otoh if you're using Perl 6 grammars in your program, you probably benefit from it too.
21:38		jaffa4	so compiling a program has not speeded up
21:39		moritz_	try it.
21:39		jaffa4	according to colomon
21:39		sorear	jaffa4: The compiler is a program
21:40		sorear	The compiler is also the largest Perl 6 program you're likely to encounter
21:40		sorear	the speedups are in the stage 2 compilation, which is done using Rakudo itself
21:40		[particle]	that's sad
21:41		sorear	if you compile a Perl 6 program the size of the setting (10,000 lines give or take), you'll see the same speedups
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21:41		moritz_	if you compile many regexes, you also see a speedup
21:41		moritz_	etc.
21:41		moritz_	that's why I said "try it"
21:41		jaffa4	is there a binary release of that version?
21:41		moritz_	but trying involves effort, which some people don't seem to like
21:42		jaffa4	that is possible
21:42		sorear	hopefully by Christmas Rakudo will compile itself as quickly as P5
21:43		pmurias	should have written the mildew AST viewer in curses instead of gtk so he wouldn't have to use a clumsy gui interface
21:43		moritz_	jnthn: is it easy to dispatch to a different reduce sub if the operator being reduced is a chaining one?
21:44		moritz_	oh wait... don't chaining ops already handle arbitrary number of arguments?
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21:44		moritz_	rakudo: say [<] 0.1, 0.2, 0.3
21:44		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«0␤»
21:45		jnthn	moritz_: I forget off hand how they work.
21:45		moritz_	rakudo thinks it's false because (0.1 < 0.2) == 1, and 1 > 0.3 :-)
21:45		jaffa4	rakudo: say [+] 0.1, 0.2, 0.3
21:45		p6eval	rakudo b3e08f: OUTPUT«0.6␤»
21:45		masak	anyone would like to proof the Yapsi announcement before I post it to p6c? http://gist.github.com/352405
21:46		moritz_	masak: you need to hurry up, only 14 minutes left in your time zone :-)
21:46		masak	I'm all set.
21:46		masak	just need to push the button.
21:47		jaffa4	rakudo: say [/] 0.1, 0.2, 0.3
21:47		p6eval	rakudo 06ac48: OUTPUT«1.66666666666667␤»
21:47		moritz_	masak: looks fine to me
21:48		* masak	ships it
21:48		moritz_	masak++
21:48		jnthn	masak: nice
21:49		masak	:)
21:49		jaffa4	rakudo: say  0.1/ 0.2/ 0.3
21:49		p6eval	rakudo 06ac48: OUTPUT«1.66666666666667␤»
21:53		masak	\o/ announcement sent to p6c, blog post posted. both with the correct date. :P
21:54		dalek	rakudo: 22f81c1 | moritz++ |  (4 files):
21:54		dalek	rakudo: implement .fmt enough to pass the tests
21:54		dalek	rakudo: This contains a disturbing amount of code duplication, which could be avoided
21:54		dalek	rakudo: if Positional was written in Perl 6 (or .fmt in PIR, but I'm not masochist
21:54		dalek	rakudo: enough to do that after 11pm)
21:54		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]a15a1ba3356a1db93
21:54		dalek	rakudo: 4384e1b | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm:
21:54		dalek	rakudo: implement sub versions of the || and "or" operators
21:54		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]5fb411c896213e60c
21:55		masak	moritz_: if I propose a yapsi target for p6eval, will you tell me that patches are welcome? :P
21:55		moritz_	rakudo: say [+]()
21:55		p6eval	rakudo 06ac48:  ( no output )
21:55		moritz_	masak: sure, if it compiles in a reasonable time, and executes in a reasonable time
21:55		masak	I think it's rather reasonable.
21:55		masak	hold on, I'll test it.
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | pmurias++ | [mildew] types for
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | my $a = 1;
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | my $b = $a;
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | my $c = $c;
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | are infered
21:56		pugssvn	r30264 | (the code is a rough first draft)
21:56		sorear	p6c?
21:57		masak	sorear: perl6-compiler
21:57		* moritz_	is afraid his concentration doesn't even permit LHF anymore
21:58		masak	moritz_: it seems to take 1.6 s to run 'say 42' here. that's the total time, inclusing Rakudo parsing the yapsi script, loading the Yapsi.pir file, Yapsi parsing the program, and Yapsi running the program.
21:59		moritz_	masak: that's sufficiently reasonble
21:59		jnthn	Not bad. :-)
21:59		masak	a program which does 'say 42;' five times takes 3.3 s, so the runtime is rather slow. :)
22:00		jnthn	Ouch!
22:00		jnthn	:-)
22:00		pmurias	masak: what's Yapsi?
22:00		masak	:D
22:00		masak	pmurias: it's Yet Another Perl Six Implementation.
22:00		jnthn	Something that'll REALLY confuse everyone at YAPC.
22:00		masak	pmurias: Perl 6 compiler and runtime written in Perl 6.
22:01		masak	pmurias: there's an announcement at p6c.
22:01		pmurias	masak: what do you intend it to be used for?
22:01		masak	pmurias: that's also in the announcement, but I'm happy to tell you in person. :)
22:01		masak	first off, as a basis for tardis, lid and sigmund.
22:02		masak	those are our time-traveling debugger, our coverage tool and our static analyzer.
22:02		masak	second, to scout a few areas of Perl 6 that haven't been implemented by any other implementation so far.
22:02		masak	I'm looking forward to toying with phasers especially.
22:02		moritz_	which ones?
22:02		moritz_	ah
22:02		masak	but also constant folding.
22:03		moritz_	set phasers to stun!
22:03		masak	and compiler->runtime and runtime->compiler communication.
22:03		sorear	do you have a link for sigmund?
22:03		masak	no, it doesn't exist.
22:03		masak	it iz a figment of your imagination!
22:04		masak	(apart from a list I keep of things to syntactically check)
22:04		sorear	masak: how about global type inference in yapsi?
22:04		moritz_	masak: does yapci use gge?
22:04		masak	moritz_: no, but it will as soon as it's possible.
22:04		masak	moritz_: it'll also use STD as soon as we can read YAML.
22:05		masak	moritz_: and it might also hook into the Rakudo parser.
22:05		pmurias	sorear: i'm working on that for mildew
22:05		masak	sorear: to the extent that global type inference helps find bugs statically, I expect sigmund to do it.
22:06		masak	sorear: but pmurias has actually written stuff, so look at mildew first :)
22:06		masak	pmurias++
22:08		pmurias	masak: shouldn't (tardis,lid,sigmund) be built on top of rakudo?
22:08		masak	oh, for some definition of built, they are.
22:08		masak	and to the extent that I can plug Rakudo into this, I'll sure try.
22:08		jnthn	\o/
22:08		masak	this is more an inclusive effort than an exclusive one. :)
22:09		jnthn	masak: After Rakudo *, I'll be quite interested to play with things like that. :-)
22:09		masak	it's just... in the long run, we need something that's very purely Perl 6.
22:09		masak	it might not be Yapsi, but Yapsi might inform our view on what it'll be.
22:10		jnthn	All Perl 6 implementation efforts tend to inform us about stuff. :-)
22:10		masak	since Elf was put on ice about a year ago, we haven't had a fully bootstrapping Perl 6 implementation.
22:10		masak	now we do again :)
22:10		pmurias	masak: Perlito is a bootstrapped implemenation
22:11		sorear	how fully bootstrapped?
22:11		pmurias	masak: why do you name all your project with strange names
22:11		masak	哈哈
22:11		pmurias	sorear: Perlitio is fully fully bootstraped ;)
22:11		masak	pmurias: do you have a URL to Perlito?
22:12		sorear	(how many perl6 implementations will there be on Christmas?  How many times will each thing be implemented?)
22:12		masak	pmurias: I wasn't aware I was giving my projects strange names. is everyone else giving their projects ordinary, normal names?
22:12		pmurias	http://github.com/fglock/Perlito
22:12		jnthn	Zavolaj and Blizkost are totally ordinary and normal.
22:12		masak	thanks.
22:12		pmurias	what i mean is lid vs Devel::Cover
22:13		jnthn	;-)
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22:13		sorear	I give projects really boring names like "Space-optimized storage manager for Perl 5"
22:15		masak	pmurias: I was quite proud when the name 'lid' struck me. :P
22:15		masak	pmurias: it's a coverage tool, see?
22:15		masak	in the same vein, 'sigmund' analyzes stuff.
22:15		jnthn	OH!
22:15		jnthn	I only just got lid. :-D
22:16		moritz_	:-)
22:16		jnthn	spectesting a patch for given statement mod.
22:16		jnthn	(It passes all of the given.t)
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22:17		sorear	15:16 <+dalek> parrot: [PMC] Removed a COW from key_string(); hopefully it's  unnecessary.  This gives
22:17		sorear	15:16 <+dalek> parrot: Rakudo a 1.975% performance improvement on the  bootstrapping benchmark.  If
22:17		jnthn	If what?
22:17		jnthn	:-)
22:18		sorear	If this breaks, *directions*
22:18		jnthn	OK. :-)
22:19		moritz_	"If anything starts to go weird, this is the one we want to revert."
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22:22		masak	jnthn: don't know if this is a correct diagnosis, but you might be interested in it anyway: http://use.perl.org/comments.p[…]d=44692&cid=71809
22:24		jnthn	Hmm
22:24		jnthn	Dunno.
22:24		jnthn	Worth looking into
22:33		masak	"Thus Klingon shows its superiority, in that it already honours the new Perl 6 sigil conventions." schwern++ http://search.cpan.org/dist/Li[…]nganHol/yIghun.pm
22:37		moritz_	btw rakudo passed 28919 tests on my test_summary.pl just now
22:38		jnthn	Wow, so close to 29k!
22:43		m6locks	:)
22:45		jnthn	std: my $i = 1; do { $i++ } while $i < 5;
22:45		p6eval	std 30263: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of do...while; in Perl 6 please use repeat...while at /tmp/lyErxFrhCR line 1:␤------> my $i = 1; do { $i++ } while $i < 5⏏;␤FAILED 00:01 109m␤»
22:57		masak	rakudo: my $i = 1; do { $i++ } while $i < 5;
22:57		p6eval	rakudo 4384e1:  ( no output )
22:58		masak	o.O
22:58		* masak	submits rakudobug
22:58		masak	rakudo: my $i = 1; do { $i++ } while $i < 5; say $i
22:58		p6eval	rakudo 4384e1: OUTPUT«5␤»
22:59		jnthn	std: my $i = 1; do { $i++ } if $i;
22:59		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 109m␤»
23:01		jnthn	masak: Heh, guess why I was checking if STD detected it. ;-)
23:01		masak	jnthn: because it's already in RT?
23:02		masak	very well. no rakudobug... :)
23:02		jnthn	masak: Actually 'cus I'm just sticking it in Rakudo...no idea if there's an RT
23:02		jnthn	There are tests though. :-)
23:02		masak	ok, I'm standing down :)
23:06		lue	hello!
23:06			mikehh joined #perl6
23:06		masak	lue!
23:07		masak	\o/
23:07			sundar joined #perl6
23:11		lue	oh! Why did masak have to leave now
23:12		jnthn	lue: 'cus it's bedtime
23:12			prism joined #perl6
23:13		lue	that's not a reason
23:14		lue	(trying to find the XKCD comic, but the stupid Unixkcd interface is in the way)
23:15		Coke-san	google!
23:16		lue	http://xkcd.com/269/ this is why bedtime is not a reason :)
23:16		snarkyboojum	masak++ re Yapsi 2010.04 release! :)
23:16		snarkyboojum	classic email to perl6-compiler :)
23:17		lue	When does the next version of parrot come out? (the one this April)
23:17		sorear	third tuesday
23:18		sorear	20th
23:19		lue	OK. If it were released on the 15th, then Rakudo would be 17th.
23:19		lue	Which is the US Premere of Doctor Who, and I'd be hyperventalating right now
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23:24		pugssvn	r30265 | jnthn++ | [t/spec] Correct and unfudge some tests.
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23:26		lichtkind	good night
23:27		dalek	rakudo: 5a74e09 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
23:27		dalek	rakudo: Implement given statement modifier.
23:27		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]8e5b7639205600f43
23:27		dalek	rakudo: 022d8a9 | jonathan++ | t/spectest.data:
23:27		dalek	rakudo: Turn on S04-statement-modifiers/given.t.
23:27		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]e2bc23e022579d39e
23:27		dalek	rakudo: 63ff066 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
23:27		dalek	rakudo: Whine about do...while style thingies.
23:27		dalek	rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]5a0ca8db203b9eba3
23:28		snarkyboojum	rakudo: sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach <1 2 3>;
23:28		p6eval	rakudo 4384e1: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at line 11, near " <1 2 3>;"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
23:28		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach <1 2 3>;
23:28		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/ny08B4RscG line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach⏏ <1 2 3>;␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
23:29		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach <1 2 3>);
23:29		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/FvvX3M8TV3 line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach⏏ <1 2 3>);␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
23:29		snarkyboojum	looks like a syntax error to me
23:29		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach <1 2 3>)()();
23:29		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/9fGI4iyziU line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach⏏ <1 2 3>)()();␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
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23:29		snarkyboojum	std: sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach xya 'k<1 2 3>)()();
23:29		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of 'foreach'; in Perl 6 please use 'for' at /tmp/VD8P2eGmP0 line 1:␤------> sub foreach(@list) { }; foreach⏏ xya 'k<1 2 3>)()();␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
23:30		snarkyboojum	hehe
23:30		Coke-san	I am working on tcl's foreach atm, and keep seeing this in my screen window and getting confused. =-)
23:30		snarkyboojum	rakudo: foreach(@list) { }; foreach xya 'k<1 2 3>)()();
23:30		p6eval	rakudo 4384e1: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "foreach(@l"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
23:30		lue	lichtkind: good night
23:30		snarkyboojum	oops sorry Coke-san :)
23:30		Coke-san	heh. sokay. =-)
23:31		lichtkind	thanks
23:31		sorear	std: for(my $pp = \$head; defined $$pp; $pp = \( $$pp->{NEXT} )) { while ($$pp->{VALUE} == 2) { $$pp = $$pp->{NEXT} } }
23:31		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Variable $head is not predeclared at /tmp/B1nCCllUIp line 1:␤------> for(my $pp = \$head⏏; defined $$pp; $pp = \( $$pp->{NEXT} ))␤FAILED 00:01 107m␤»
23:31		sorear	std: my $head; for(my $pp = \$head; defined $$pp; $pp = \( $$pp->{NEXT} )) { while ($$pp->{VALUE} == 2) { $$pp = $$pp->{NEXT} } }
23:31		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m␤Unsupported use of '->{' as postfix dereferencer; in Perl 6 please use '.{' or just '{' to deref, or whitespace to delimit a pointy block at /tmp/mo97y2zYSr line 1:␤------> = \$head; defined $$pp; $pp = \( $$pp->{⏏NEXT} )) { while
23:31		p6eval	..($$pp…
23:31		sorear	I thought C-for was gone
23:32		sorear	(incidentally, how do you translate that use of references to P6?)
23:32		jnthn	rakudo: for (my $i = 0; $i < 42; $i++) { }
23:32		p6eval	rakudo 4384e1: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of C-style "for (;;)" loop; in Perl 6 please use "loop (;;)" at line 11, near "(my $i = 0"␤current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)␤»
23:33		snarkyboojum	phenny: tell masak 'lid' is an awesome name for the coverage tool :)
23:33		phenny	snarkyboojum: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
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23:47		lue	rakudo: say (0 orelse 0 orelse 1 orelse "hi")
23:47		p6eval	rakudo 63ff06: OUTPUT«Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 11␤current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)␤»
23:47		lue	rakudo: say (0 orelse 0 orelse 1)
23:48		p6eval	rakudo 63ff06: OUTPUT«Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 11␤current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)␤»
23:48		jnthn	orelse nyi
23:48		lue	too bad :(
23:50		lue	std: say (0 orelse 0 orelse 1)
23:50		p6eval	std 30264: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 107m␤»
23:50		lue	at least p6eval is speedy today :)
23:51		lue	rakudo: say (0 andthen 1)
23:51		p6eval	rakudo 63ff06: OUTPUT«Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 11␤current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)␤»
23:51		lue	NYI either
23:52		* sorear	wonders how to translate the sorear linked list filtering algorithm into Perl6
23:54		lue	It's not in Perl6?
23:54		lue	:O
23:55		sorear	it depends on the ability to manipulate references to arbitrary scalars
23:55		sorear	I've used it in Perl5 and C
23:56		lue	So it involves references?
23:56		lue	rakudo: my $a = 3; my $b := $a; $b = 4; say $a;
23:56		p6eval	rakudo 63ff06: OUTPUT«:= binding of variables not yet implemented␤current instr.: '&die' pc 17192 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:399)␤»
23:56		lue	alpha: my $a = 3; my $b := $a; $b = 4; say $a;
23:56		p6eval	alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«4␤»

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