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| 00:01 |
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arnsholt |
And he's perfectly right, of course |
| 00:01 |
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arnsholt |
The sciences tend to underestimate the value of the humanities, and vice versa |
| 00:08 |
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sundar |
Is the latest Rakudo source always supposed to build against the latest Parrot source? Right now it appears it doesn't. |
| 00:09 |
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colomon |
sundar: nope |
| 00:09 |
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arnsholt |
No, there's a file in build/ that says which version it uses |
| 00:09 |
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colomon |
build/PARROT_REVISION |
| 00:12 |
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sundar |
Oh oh! Should I now svn up to the older revision and build parrot again then? |
| 00:14 |
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pugssvn |
r30362 | colomon++ | [t/spec] Add real-bridge tests for cis and unpolar. |
| 00:16 |
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dalek |
rakudo: c99eeb3 | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/core/ (2 files): |
| 00:16 |
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dalek |
rakudo: Tweak the Any versions of unpolar and cis, define Real versions of the same. |
| 00:16 |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]6ddc273d4973ce357 |
| 00:24 |
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| 00:37 |
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jnthn |
ffs, the Swedish railways are even worse than the British ones. :-/ |
| 00:43 |
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arnsholt |
You should try the Norwegian ones. They've been massively underfunded for at least two decades now >.< |
| 00:44 |
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jnthn |
In two years of living in Slovakia, the train between Bratrislava and Wien was late *once*. |
| 00:45 |
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arnsholt |
Hmm. Is it possible to enable some sort of trace mode in NQP? |
| 00:46 |
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jnthn |
arnsholt: Yeah |
| 00:46 |
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jnthn |
<?DEBUG> token enables |
| 00:46 |
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jnthn |
And <DEBUG(0)> disables |
| 00:47 |
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arnsholt |
Mmmm. Tasty recursion. |
| 00:49 |
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colomon |
jnthn: why does one of those have a ? and the other not? |
| 00:50 |
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jnthn |
colomon: Actutally the first works fine without the ? |
| 00:52 |
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colomon |
<DEBUG> and <DEBUG(0)>. I might be able to remember that. :) |
| 00:52 |
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colomon |
I've noticed perlcabal still isn't properly updating half of the spec. |
| 00:54 |
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jnthn |
<DEBUG> is the same as <DEBUG(1)> fwiw |
| 00:54 |
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jnthn |
It's kinda like method DEBUG($on = 1) { .... } |
| 00:54 |
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colomon |
jnthn: I guessed that. :) |
| 00:55 |
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jnthn |
Yes, pmichaud++ tends to get stuff as you'd expect it. :-) |
| 00:55 |
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colomon |
pmichaud++ |
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| 00:56 |
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jnthn |
grrr...9 hours until Moscow flight :-/ |
| 00:58 |
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* jnthn |
would maybe believe that the train delay was an unfortunate unusual occurence, apart from half the trains he takes here are also late. |
| 01:03 |
|
arnsholt |
Haha! |
| 01:04 |
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arnsholt |
Tentative liftoff for my parser ^^ |
| 01:04 |
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colomon |
\o/ |
| 01:04 |
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* jnthn |
sleep, provided my hotel in Moscow has internet access of some kind, then hopefully catch you all tomorrow. :-) |
| 01:05 |
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shyam_iyer |
++ |
| 01:05 |
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shyam_iyer |
++; |
| 01:05 |
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colomon |
jnthn: o/ |
| 01:11 |
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| 01:12 |
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sundar |
the current rakudo source doesn't build here against the build/PARROT_REVISION mentioned.. is this a known issue? |
| 01:12 |
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arnsholt |
Are you using perl Configure.pl --gen-parrot, or something else? |
| 01:13 |
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sundar |
I have an inside-out setup, with rakudo in runtime/parrot/languages/ |
| 01:14 |
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arnsholt |
Hmm. Something isn't working |
| 01:14 |
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* arnsholt |
goes to write a blog post instead |
| 01:15 |
|
sundar |
The error I get is: "Method 'postcircumfix:<[ ]>' not found for invocant of class 'Undef'" |
| 01:16 |
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arnsholt |
Never tried the inside-out thing before. Try checking out Rakudo on it's own and do --gen-parrot perhaps? |
| 01:18 |
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sundar |
Ok, trying that now. Though, if that works, it would be a strange issue.. |
| 01:31 |
|
colomon |
rakudo: say (4/3).floor |
| 01:31 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1» |
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lue |
The only bad thing about watching Doctor Who is 1) That beat is stuck in my head (1,2,3,4) 2) I can't wait until Apr. 17 |
| 03:09 |
|
lue |
(oh, and hai) |
| 03:11 |
|
lue |
rakudo: multi sub circumfix:<µ µ>($a,$b) { say "$a and $b";}; µ 4,7 µ |
| 03:11 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«error:imcc:syntax error, unexpected '\n' in file 'EVAL_1' line 58Confused at line 11, near "\x{b5} 4,7 \x{b5}"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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plobsing |
is this the right place to submit patches for rakudo? |
| 03:58 |
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plobsing |
http://nopaste.snit.ch/20240 |
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mathw |
Morning |
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masak |
oh hai, #perl6 |
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mathw |
oh hai, masak |
| 08:04 |
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* masak |
rolls eyes in non-surprised amusement at the underscores-vs-hyphens discussion on p6l :) |
| 08:13 |
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snarkyboojum |
hi masak o/ |
| 08:13 |
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mathw |
it is of course absolutely ridiculous |
| 08:13 |
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mathw |
except for the point that the setting should probably use one or t'other |
| 08:14 |
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masak |
snarkyboojum: \o |
| 08:14 |
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masak |
mathw: trust p6l to take any absolutely straightforward, already settled point, and elaborate it at great length. |
| 08:18 |
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mathw |
of course |
| 08:20 |
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mathw |
isn't that what it's for? |
| 08:20 |
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diakopter |
____________________ |
| 08:21 |
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diakopter |
perlesque ftw |
| 08:21 |
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diakopter |
sleep& |
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| 08:28 |
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masak |
sundar_: hi! |
| 08:29 |
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sundar |
hi masak! |
| 08:31 |
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masak |
sundar: how goes the p6 exploration? |
| 08:36 |
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sundar |
masak: started a program, only to realize I didn't even know the proper way to write loops. :) So started reading S04. Also searching for some digestible presentations (I like learning via presentations), though most seem to be outdated. |
| 08:37 |
|
masak |
sundar: http://jnthn.net/articles.shtml |
| 08:37 |
|
masak |
rakudo: for 1..10 -> $i { say 'number ', $i } |
| 08:37 |
|
p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«number 1number 2number 3number 4number 5number 6number 7number 8number 9number 10» |
| 08:38 |
|
masak |
rakudo: my $i = 1000; while $i >= 500 { say $i -= 100 } |
| 08:38 |
|
p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«900800700600500400» |
| 08:38 |
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sundar |
wow! thanks a lot! is that linked anywhwere from perlfoundation.org? |
| 08:38 |
|
masak |
rakudo: my $i = 1000; loop { say $i -= 100 } |
| 08:38 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: |
| 08:38 |
|
p6eval |
..OUTPUT«9008007006005004003002001000-100-200-300-400-500-600-700-800-900-1000-1100-1200-1300-1400-1500-1600-1700-1800-1900-2000-2100-2200-2300-2400-2500-2600-2700-2800-2900-3000-3100-3200-3300-3400-3500-3600-3700-3800-3900-4000-4100-4200-… |
| 08:39 |
|
masak |
sundar: good question. most of our links nowadays are from perl6.org |
| 08:39 |
|
masak |
but I doubt it's even there. |
| 08:39 |
|
masak |
also, http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-5-to-6/ |
| 08:42 |
|
masak |
rakudo: my $i = 5; repeat { say $i } while $i-- |
| 08:42 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«543210» |
| 08:44 |
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| 08:47 |
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sundar |
masak: I've read through part of the perlgeek tutorial, but got several small doubts.. Felt the need for some searchable reference. Didn't have much luck with the Google search on Synopses.. |
| 08:48 |
|
masak |
the best cure for doubts is a recent executable and a lot of one-liners :) |
| 08:48 |
|
masak |
also helps to discuss things here on-channel. |
| 08:48 |
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masak |
er, sorry, I mean on_channel, of course :P |
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| 08:50 |
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sundar |
let's-go-the-lispy-way.. :) |
| 08:51 |
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masak |
to be fair, I did reflect on the underscores being ported over from CPAN's DateTime, and how they didn't really befit a module in Perl 6 core... |
| 08:53 |
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sundar |
masak: you had a feeling hyphens were the way to go in Perl 6 then itself? |
| 08:54 |
|
masak |
I have an ongoing feeling that it's not my call. :) |
| 08:55 |
|
masak |
I personally use hyphens quite a lot in my code, but when I'm writing spec I have a slightly different hat on. |
| 08:58 |
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sundar |
masak: how can you do that? as a developer, you're supposed to feel your conventions are the One True Way. ;) |
| 08:58 |
|
masak |
:) |
| 08:59 |
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masak |
well, of course they are. the problem is that there are so many One True Ways... |
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| 09:02 |
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sundar |
masak: ah, you're mindful of the other True Ways. It must be a good hat that you have. :) |
| 09:03 |
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masak |
sundar: I try to read other people's code sometimes. what bugs me is not when people have conventions differing from mine, but when people have no conventions. |
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| 09:07 |
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sundar |
masak: I understand.. if it compiles and sort of does what it's supposed to, it's good code for many. :) the "code is for people to read" SICP quote should be pasted on every programmer's desk. |
| 09:07 |
|
moritz_ |
good morning |
| 09:07 |
|
masak |
moritz_: \o |
| 09:07 |
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sundar |
moritz_: good morning (though it's afternoon here) |
| 09:10 |
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sundar |
moritz_: I remember you too have an inside-out rakudo-inside-parrot setup. Does the current rakudo build fine for you? |
| 09:10 |
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| 09:11 |
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moritz_ |
sundar: I don't |
| 09:11 |
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moritz_ |
I did talk about it though :-) |
| 09:12 |
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masak |
sundar: I see the "if it works, it's good code" mentality a lot at work. basically, those of us who care about how the code actually *looks* are perceived as very picky in comparison. :) |
| 09:14 |
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sundar |
masak: yes.. people hated it when their code came to me for review.. they'd think having incomprehensible code is a 'trivial problem' and shouldn't delay a commit. :) |
| 09:15 |
|
masak |
exactly. |
| 09:16 |
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masak |
might be there's some connection here to TDD too. |
| 09:17 |
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masak |
when you can look at a diff and say, 'yup, this is a very small piece of code, and all it does is make that test over there pass', things feel kinda good. |
| 09:18 |
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sundar |
moritz_: :( now I'll probably never know if I screwed up something or found some weird bug! |
| 09:18 |
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masak |
oh, and it's four minutes after your last such commit, and three minutes before the next one :) |
| 09:18 |
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masak |
sundar: I have Rakudo inside Parrot. |
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| 09:19 |
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masak |
I'll build now and see if it works. |
| 09:20 |
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sundar |
masak: TDD is one of those things that are good when applied properly, but are hard to consistently do that.. |
| 09:20 |
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masak |
yes, it's not for every kind of task. |
| 09:21 |
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masak |
when you have something like a input/output filter, it's pretty much ideal, though. |
| 09:21 |
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masak |
and a lot of things are that. a compiler is that. |
| 09:22 |
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* moritz_ |
finds that Date modules are very well suited too |
| 09:22 |
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masak |
moritz_++ |
| 09:22 |
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masak |
moritz_: how's it going? |
| 09:22 |
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moritz_ |
masak: didn't get past the constructor tests last night, went off to play some board games with friends |
| 09:23 |
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masak |
what board games? |
| 09:24 |
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sundar |
masak: people can (and will) still abuse it in such cases too, and special case things more than they're meant to.. :) |
| 09:24 |
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masak |
I always special case things if I can get away with it. :) |
| 09:24 |
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moritz_ |
masak: http://www.catan.com/catan-gam[…]e/starfarers.html this one (thought the German original) |
| 09:25 |
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masak |
nice. I know Catan. |
| 09:25 |
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masak |
not the in-space version, though. |
| 09:25 |
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moritz_ |
it was the first time for me too |
| 09:25 |
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* masak |
.oO( or is that 'in_space'? :P ) |
| 09:25 |
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moritz_ |
btw Catan was invented about 20km away from where I live :-) |
| 09:26 |
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masak |
ooh |
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* sundar |
thinks parents visiting bachelor rooms unexpectedly are heartless |
| 09:29 |
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sundar |
I've got to go now (and clean up things), masak, could you tell how the build goes later? |
| 09:29 |
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masak |
seems fine so far. |
| 09:29 |
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masak |
it's doing gen/core.pm now. |
| 09:31 |
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sundar |
it fails for me at "/usr/local/bin/parrot perl6.pbc --target=pir --output=Test.pir Test.pm" with "Method 'postcircumfix:<[ ]>' not found for invocant of class 'Undef'" |
| 09:31 |
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moritz_ |
sundar: did you reconfigure before building? |
| 09:31 |
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masak |
oh, ok. |
| 09:32 |
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sundar |
moritz_: no, should I? Why? |
| 09:32 |
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masak |
I recognize that error from some of my cheese masterporting. |
| 09:32 |
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moritz_ |
sundar: if you did a 'git pull', chances are that the makefile changed |
| 09:32 |
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moritz_ |
then you need to run Configure.pl again |
| 09:36 |
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sundar |
moritz_: ah, when I did a configure on rakudo, it said the parrot revision is r45191, though I updated it to the needed 45386 before make-ing. perhaps I need to reconfigure parrot too? |
| 09:36 |
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masak |
sundar: builds here. |
| 09:36 |
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moritz_ |
sundar: yes |
| 09:38 |
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moritz_ |
masak: I think you had a very interesting link to date calc algorithms back in the days... do you happen to still know it? |
| 09:39 |
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masak |
might have been mberends++' interesting link. |
| 09:39 |
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masak |
http://www.tondering.dk/claus/calendar.html |
| 09:39 |
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sundar |
masak: ok, thanks... I'm trying here now. |
| 09:40 |
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masak |
or perhaps http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/daycount.htm |
| 09:40 |
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masak |
moritz_: both of those are from the Pod of the alpha Temporal. |
| 09:40 |
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masak |
mberends++ # always good Pod |
| 09:40 |
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masak |
walk & |
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sundar |
how do I exit a perl6 REPL? |
| 09:56 |
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sundar |
exit does nothing, quit makes it "Confused".. |
| 09:56 |
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snarkyboojum |
ctrl-c :) |
| 09:56 |
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moritz_ |
Ctrl+D |
| 09:57 |
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sundar |
Ok, is supporting exit or quit in the plan? |
| 09:57 |
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sundar |
It seems quit is recognized as something special, given it didn't say "Could not find sub &quit" like it does for other random words... |
| 09:59 |
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sundar |
anything that starts with 'q' makes it confused instead of getting treated as a sub call... |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
ah |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
quote parsing fail |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: qfoo |
| 10:00 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "qfoo"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: afoo |
| 10:00 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &afoocurrent instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
that's a bug |
| 10:00 |
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* moritz_ |
submits |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
hm |
| 10:00 |
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moritz_ |
std: qfoo |
| 10:00 |
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p6eval |
std 30362: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mUndeclared routine: 'qfoo' used at line 1Check failedFAILED 00:01 108m» |
| 10:01 |
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sundar |
\o/ I finally found a genuine bug! :) |
| 10:01 |
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moritz_ |
sundar++ |
| 10:03 |
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sundar |
moritz_: thanks.. :) also: any of "exit", "e", or "q" returns to the prompt without doing anything or invoking an error.. |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: exit; say "foo" |
| 10:04 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: ( no output ) |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
but I remember there's a ticket for this one |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say e |
| 10:04 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«2.71828182845905» |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
that's fine |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say q |
| 10:04 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "say q"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 10:04 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: q |
| 10:04 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "q"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 10:05 |
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sundar |
oh, e is an inbuilt constant? without use-ing any scientific or math module? is that a good thing? |
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moritz_ |
for some it is, for others it's not |
| 10:10 |
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sorear |
e is in the setting |
| 10:11 |
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sorear |
so it doesn't cause many problems if you don't use it |
| 10:11 |
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sorear |
the setting is treated as an outer lexical scope, so if you define your own e (or any other predefined name), it'll just shadow the existing one, no problems |
| 10:11 |
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sorear |
who invented the setting/circumlude system? |
| 10:12 |
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sorear |
they need a ++ |
| 10:12 |
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moritz_ |
TimToady, I think :-) |
| 10:12 |
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sundar |
"e = 4" invokes a "Cannot assign to readonly value" error though... |
| 10:12 |
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moritz_ |
sundar: and that's a good thing :-) |
| 10:13 |
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sorear |
sundar: x = 2 is not how you define values in Perl6 |
| 10:14 |
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sorear |
rakudo: height = 66 |
| 10:14 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &heightcurrent instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
| 10:14 |
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sundar |
ah, dang! even after so many years of Perl I do this.. sorry.. :) |
| 10:14 |
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sorear |
rakudo: constant e = 101; say e |
| 10:14 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &constantcurrent instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
| 10:14 |
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sorear |
rakudo: my constant e = 101; say e |
| 10:14 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Malformed my at line 11, near "constant e"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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sorear |
apparently I don't remember the correct syntax either |
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jaffa4 |
!seen diakopter |
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moritz_ |
alpha: constant e = 101; say e |
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p6eval |
alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«invoke() not implemented in class 'Integer'in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)» |
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moritz_ |
sorear: constant is just NYI in rakudo master |
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sorear |
ah |
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sorear |
what about alpha? |
| 10:32 |
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sorear |
is it broken there too? |
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jaffa4 |
!whatis alpha |
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moritz_ |
alpha: constant $x = 5; say $x |
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p6eval |
alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«5» |
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moritz_ |
alpha: constant $x = 5; $x = 7; |
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p6eval |
alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to readonly variable.in Main (file <unknown>, line <unknown>)» |
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moritz_ |
alpha: constant a = 5; say a |
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p6eval |
alpha 30e0ed: OUTPUT«5» |
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jaffa4 |
hi |
| 10:33 |
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jaffa4 |
what is alpha? |
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moritz_ |
sorear: in alpha it only conflicted with predefined routines |
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sorear |
jaffa4: alpha is 2010/02 rakudo |
| 10:33 |
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sorear |
er, /01 |
| 10:33 |
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sorear |
in /02 we rewrote rakudo to take advantage of new features in the compiler kit, like grammars |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say 5 div 2 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«2» |
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sorear |
there has been a certain amount of regression |
| 10:34 |
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jaffa4 |
rakudo : g:/f/; |
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jaffa4 |
rakudo: g:/f/; |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "g:/f/;"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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sorear |
Does g:/f/; mean anything? |
| 10:35 |
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moritz_ |
std: g:/f/; |
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p6eval |
std 30362: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mConfused at /tmp/Nsxjnenl7e line 1:------> g:⏏/f/; expecting any of: coloncircumfix signatureUndeclared routine: 'g' used at line 1Parse failedFAILED 00:01 110m» |
| 10:35 |
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jaffa4 |
no |
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jaffa4 |
I do not know now |
| 10:35 |
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jaffa4 |
rakudo: m:g/erer/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "m:g/erer/"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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jaffa4 |
std: m:g/erer/ |
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p6eval |
std 30362: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 108m» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: my $x = rx { 1 2 3 } |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 11current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)» |
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moritz_ |
std: my $x = rx { 1 2 3 } |
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p6eval |
std 30362: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 110m» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: rx { } |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &rxcurrent instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: my $x = rx{ 1 2 3 } |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<{ }>, couldn't find final '}' at line 11current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)» |
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* colomon |
broke infix:<==> on his local copy of Rakudo. :( |
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* moritz_ |
hands colomon and non-broken infix:<==> from the cool branch |
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colomon |
how is cool coming? |
| 11:02 |
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moritz_ |
ready for review/merge |
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colomon |
sweet! |
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colomon |
\o/ |
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moritz_ |
something's wrong with multi methods called new() in master |
| 11:05 |
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colomon |
moritz_: I understand Tuesday is going to be the day to bug jnthn++. ;) |
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colomon |
rakudo: say Bool ~~ Real |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1» |
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colomon |
Not sure how Bool got to be Real. (Even though it might well be in the spec that way.) |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say Int ~~ Real |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1» |
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moritz_ |
that's how it got that way :-) |
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colomon |
I know Bool is Int in theory; I don't see how it is in practice, however. |
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colomon |
boolproto = p6meta.'new_class'('Bool', 'parent'=>'parrot;Boolean Any', 'does_role'=>abstraction) |
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colomon |
no Int in there. |
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moritz_ |
afaict Bool is an evil hack in master :-) |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say Bool ~~ Real |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1» |
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sorear |
what, we aren't going to use #t and #f? |
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moritz_ |
#w, #t, #f? :-) |
| 11:10 |
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colomon |
afk for a minute or two... |
| 11:10 |
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moritz_ |
http://github.com/moritz/Date btw |
| 11:10 |
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moritz_ |
still in early stages |
| 11:10 |
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moritz_ |
the interesting stuff is all NYI |
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snarkyboojum |
moritz_++, looks cool :) |
| 11:16 |
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snarkyboojum |
I like how self-documenting well written test suites are |
| 11:16 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say 55257 % 7 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«6» |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say (55257 + 3) % 7 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«2» |
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snarkyboojum |
is this a Date::Simple-ish p6 port? |
| 11:17 |
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moritz_ |
yes |
| 11:17 |
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snarkyboojum |
ah |
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moritz_ |
very much inspired by Date::Simple - I even stole most of their test suite :-) |
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* snarkyboojum |
reads the comment for the repo ;) |
| 11:18 |
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snarkyboojum |
very nifty :) |
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moritz_ |
(and wrote an email to ask them if they grant me permission to redistribute the test under AL2) |
| 11:18 |
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snarkyboojum |
awesome |
| 11:24 |
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moritz_ |
implemented day of week :-) |
| 11:37 |
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colomon |
rakudo: my $a = Bool::True; say $a.Num |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Method 'Num' not found for invocant of class 'Bool'current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
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* colomon |
starts to hate Bool |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say 3 >> 2 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Unsupported use of >> to do right shift; in Perl 6 please use +> or ~> at line 11, near "2"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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sundar |
What is ~> supposed to do? Is it NYI? |
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moritz_ |
it's supposed to be bit shift on a string |
| 11:44 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: say '!a' ~> 1 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "say '!a' ~"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 11:44 |
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colomon |
whoops. |
| 11:44 |
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dalek |
rakudo: 9406f55 | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/core/ (3 files): |
| 11:44 |
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dalek |
rakudo: Define Real versions of ceiling, floor, truncate, and round. Plus infix:<+>, infix:</>, and infix:<==>. Tweak Any versions, Real versions. |
| 11:44 |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]d540100b9ed3d2aba |
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colomon |
just pushed by accident, and it will break things. sigh |
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colomon |
okay, pushed a patch for the known problem.... |
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moritz_ |
in case of doubt, git revert :-) |
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colomon |
well, it's Sunday morning. hopefully I can spectest and fix any problems before they actually bother someone. |
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pmurias |
ruoso: hi |
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colomon |
*any remaining problems |
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pmurias |
if i want to reduce the time mildew's test suit takes what are the options? |
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dalek |
rakudo: ae2e81b | (Solomon Foster)++ | src/core/Bool.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo: Add Bool.Bridge, because Bool somehow manages to be an Int (and do Real) without having Int's methods. |
| 11:50 |
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dalek |
rakudo: review: http://github.com/rakudo/rakud[…]0a6dc9db2bfb2d025 |
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sundar |
How do I say "for x to y in steps of z {do this}"? |
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moritz_ |
for $x, *+$z ... $y { do this } |
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colomon |
moritz_++ |
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sorear |
rakudo: for 1, 3 .. 21 { .say} |
| 12:06 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«13456789101112131415161718192021» |
| 12:06 |
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sorear |
rakudo: for 1, 3, 9 .. 81 { .say} |
| 12:06 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«139101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081» |
| 12:06 |
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sorear |
ok not quite fully working yet |
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sundar |
sorear: pattern detection? :) |
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sorear |
sundar: it's specced to autodetect arithmetic and geometric series |
| 12:07 |
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colomon |
fully working, you left out a . |
| 12:07 |
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colomon |
rakudo: for 1, 3, 9 ... 81 { .say |
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sorear |
rakudo: for 1, 3, 9 ... 81 { .say} |
| 12:07 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 11current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)» |
| 12:07 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1392781» |
| 12:07 |
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colomon |
(okay, not really fully working, but you haven't found the fail cases yet.) |
| 12:08 |
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sundar |
wow! That is cool. |
| 12:09 |
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colomon |
rakudo: for 1, *+2 ... 21{ .say } |
| 12:09 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Missing block at line 11, near ""current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 12:09 |
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sorear |
rakudo: ( 1, 1, { $^a + $^b} ... ).batch(20).say |
| 12:09 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "( 1, 1, { "current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
| 12:09 |
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colomon |
rakudo: for 1, *+2 ... 21 { .say } |
| 12:09 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«13579111315171921» |
| 12:10 |
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sorear |
rakudo: ( 1, 1, { $^a + $^b } ... * ).batch(20).say |
| 12:10 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«11235813213455891442333776109871597258441816765» |
| 12:10 |
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colomon |
rakduo: for 1, 1, *+* ... 100 { .say } |
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sorear |
rakudo: ( 1, 1, { $^a + $^b } ... * ).batch(20).join(", ").say |
| 12:10 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765» |
| 12:12 |
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colomon |
rakudo: for 1, 1, *+* ... 100 { .say } |
| 12:12 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1123581321345589» |
| 12:12 |
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wknight8111 |
nice |
| 12:13 |
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colomon |
yeah, it works better when I spell rakudo correctly. :) |
| 12:14 |
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sundar |
rakudo: for 0, 1, *+* ... 100 { .say } |
| 12:14 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«11123581321345589» |
| 12:14 |
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colomon |
spectest passed! \o/ |
| 12:14 |
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sundar |
Why did it change the first 0 to 1? |
| 12:15 |
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colomon |
good question. |
| 12:16 |
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snarkyboojum |
rakudo: .say for 1, 1, *+* ... 100 |
| 12:16 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c99eeb: OUTPUT«1123581321345589» |
| 12:17 |
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colomon |
where's masakbot when you need him? |
| 12:18 |
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sorear |
rakudo: ( 2, -> *@sofar { (grep { $_ !% none(@sofar) } (@sofar[*-1] ... *))[0] } ... * ).batch(20).join(", ").say |
| 12:18 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 11current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)» |
| 12:20 |
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sorear |
rakudo: ( 2, -> *@sofar { (@sofar[*-1] ... *).first({ $^a !% none(@sofar) }) } ... * ).batch(20).join(", ").say |
| 12:21 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: ( no output ) |
| 12:21 |
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sorear |
not lazy enough? |
| 12:21 |
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sundar |
rakudo: for -1, 3, *+* ... 100 { .say } |
| 12:21 |
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wknight8111 |
what is that line supposed to do? |
| 12:21 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«332571219315081» |
| 12:21 |
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sorear |
wknight8111: sieve |
| 12:22 |
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sorear |
generates an infinite list of prime numbers |
| 12:23 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: sub f(*@sofar) { my $last = @sofar.pop; $last !%none(@sofar) }; say ~(2, &f ... *).batch(5) |
| 12:23 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«2 0 0 0 0» |
| 12:25 |
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sundar |
what all can possibly appear in place of *+* in the for statement above? none of -, * or +| seem to work. is it a special case that works with + alone? |
| 12:26 |
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snarkyboojum |
any infix op I would have thought |
| 12:29 |
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sundar |
rakudo: for 3, 2, *-* ... 0 { .say } |
| 12:29 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Method 'Num' not found for invocant of class 'Block'current instr.: 'perl6;Mu;' pc -1 ((unknown file):-1)» |
| 12:31 |
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wknight8111 |
jnthn: ping |
| 12:32 |
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sundar |
snarkyboojum: Is this a bug then? |
| 12:34 |
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snarkyboojum |
sundar: no idea :) |
| 12:36 |
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sundar |
snarkyboojum: :) What should I do now? leave a message to masak or someone, or submit a bug, or leave it in these IRC logs hoping someone would dig it out? |
| 12:37 |
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snarkyboojum |
well masak++ seems to diligently trawl through the backlogs and submit bugs he finds, but I'm not sure it's polite to rely on that :) |
| 12:38 |
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moritz_ |
it's a known bug |
| 12:38 |
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snarkyboojum |
there you go :) |
| 12:38 |
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moritz_ |
Whatever currying is not yet implemented in master, except for some common special cases |
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colomon |
what moritz_++ said. |
| 12:46 |
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colomon |
to be slightly more precise, whatever currying is supposed to be a general thing which works with all operators. |
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colomon |
we don't have that yet, but I implemented some of the common cases as special cases. |
| 12:46 |
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colomon |
I think right now we have *+*, *+n, and *-n |
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_Dot_ |
hey there. what big improvements gonna have perl6? |
| 14:27 |
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moritz_ |
lots :-) |
| 14:27 |
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moritz_ |
vastly improved regexes and grammars |
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_Dot_ |
in that case, what are the most important? |
| 14:27 |
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_Dot_ |
oh, kk |
| 14:27 |
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moritz_ |
a language designed for extensibility |
| 14:28 |
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_Dot_ |
no improvement in oop? :( |
| 14:28 |
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moritz_ |
sure |
| 14:28 |
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_Dot_ |
oh, kk |
| 14:28 |
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moritz_ |
a very solid default object system, and the ability to change the object system via a meta object protocal |
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_Dot_ |
cause current oop isn't the most friendly |
| 14:28 |
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moritz_ |
*protocol |
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_Dot_ |
i see |
| 14:29 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: class Hello { has $.name; method greet { say "Hello, $.name } }; Hello.new(:name<_Dot_>).greet |
| 14:29 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 11current instr.: 'perl6;Regex;Cursor;FAILGOAL' pc 1664 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/Regex-s0.pir:907)» |
| 14:29 |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: class Hello { has $.name; method greet { say "Hello, $.name" } }; Hello.new(:name<_Dot_>).greet |
| 14:29 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Hello, _Dot_» |
| 14:29 |
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moritz_ |
better :-) |
| 14:30 |
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_Dot_ |
well, it resembles more common oop languages :> |
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moritz_ |
yes |
| 14:32 |
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moritz_ |
Perl 5 was too bare bones |
| 14:32 |
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moritz_ |
unless you use some nice modules for OO, like Moose |
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_Dot_ |
perl6 will be released soon? |
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moritz_ |
yes, christmas :-) |
| 14:34 |
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moritz_ |
there will be a big release in May or June |
| 14:34 |
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moritz_ |
usable, but not yet finished |
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_Dot_ |
and cpan compatibility? |
| 14:37 |
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moritz_ |
well, sorear is working on bridge between Perl 5 and parrot |
| 14:37 |
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_Dot_ |
i see |
| 14:37 |
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moritz_ |
so there's a chance of using Perl 5 modules from Perl 6 |
| 14:38 |
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_Dot_ |
i hope perl popularity raises with perl 6 |
| 14:38 |
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* moritz_ |
hopes so too |
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moritz_ |
_Dot_: are you interested in helping us with Perl 6? |
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_Dot_ |
i'm not that good at programming :\ |
| 14:39 |
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_Dot_ |
just starting |
| 14:39 |
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moritz_ |
well, there are other things that need doing |
| 14:39 |
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_Dot_ |
like what? |
| 14:40 |
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moritz_ |
like keeping websites up to date, organizing conferences or hackathons, try to organize funding... |
| 14:40 |
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_Dot_ |
there's any site with drafts, just to see what kind of "jobs" you have |
| 14:40 |
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_Dot_ |
? |
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moritz_ |
not really :( |
| 14:41 |
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moritz_ |
I've been long planning to write such a web site, but other things always seemed to be either more urgent or more fun |
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_Dot_ |
i would like to help you hacking perl, but i lack practice on programming :\ |
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_Dot_ |
btw, what sites are those to keep up to date? |
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moritz_ |
<http://perl6.org/>, <http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]/index.cgi?perl_6>, <http://dev.perl.org/perl6/> just to name the three most important ones |
| 14:44 |
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jaffa4 |
!seen diakopter |
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_Dot_ |
with who i have to talk to have more info? |
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moritz_ |
_Dot_: more info about what? |
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_Dot_ |
about the sites updating |
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* moritz_ |
raises hand |
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_Dot_ |
xD |
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_Dot_ |
i can't give you an answer right now, but i plan to spare time for the sake of open source o.O/ |
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moritz_ |
that's cool |
| 14:51 |
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moritz_ |
feel free to raise your voide here at any time |
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_Dot_ |
kk |
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_Dot_ |
also that would be nice at my curriculum :P |
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_Dot_ |
*in |
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_Dot_ |
hmmm, maintenance of those sites doesn't look a time consumer |
| 14:54 |
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moritz_ |
right |
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moritz_ |
you just have to follow the Perl 6 blogs, and see what changes inthe Perl 6 world |
| 14:55 |
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moritz_ |
and then from time to time you need to go over the sites, and see if anything is worth updating |
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_Dot_ |
i see... that looks interesting |
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_Dot_ |
in terms of developing itself, there is space for a noob eager for learning more? :P |
| 15:01 |
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moritz_ |
there is |
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moritz_ |
problem is, there is not very much introductory material for learning Perl 6 |
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moritz_ |
for example there's a book being written at <http://github.com/perl6/book/>, but it targets people with some programming experience in other languages |
| 15:03 |
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_Dot_ |
i know some perl 5, c/c++, java and a bit of python |
| 15:03 |
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moritz_ |
well, that's a good start |
| 15:03 |
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moritz_ |
if you know perl 5, this might help you too: http://perlgeek.de/en/article/5-to-6 |
| 15:04 |
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moritz_ |
(disclaimer: I wrote it) |
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_Dot_ |
what development i would be performing? |
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moritz_ |
for example modules |
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moritz_ |
or built-in functions |
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_Dot_ |
sounds cool |
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_Dot_ |
well, actually i know a lot of perl 5 |
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jaffa4 |
built-in functions? |
| 15:05 |
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jaffa4 |
Is some of them not implemented? |
| 15:06 |
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jaffa4 |
is=are |
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moritz_ |
yes |
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_Dot_ |
i read Learning Perl, Beginning Perl and currently i'm reading Extreme Perl |
| 15:06 |
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jaffa4 |
which ones? |
| 15:08 |
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isBEKaml |
moritz_: This christmas? I remember Larry quoted something like "Perl6 will be released on Christmas. I won't tell the year..." or something like it. xD |
| 15:08 |
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_Dot_ |
xD |
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moritz_ |
isBEKaml: that's still true :-) |
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[particle] |
and once perl 6 is released, every day will be christmas. |
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[particle] |
audreyt++ |
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moritz_ |
jaffa4: for example Str.sameaccent |
| 15:09 |
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isBEKaml |
[particle]: true that. :) |
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_Dot_ |
so, Perl 6 will not be released 12/25/2010? xD |
| 15:09 |
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moritz_ |
_Dot_: nobody really knows |
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isBEKaml |
_Dot_: This is like any other opensource project. It'll be released when it's good. =) |
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_Dot_ |
open source ftw oO/ no more m$ or crapple |
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sundar |
isBEKaml: small correction, "It'll be released when we decide it's 'good enough'" :) |
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isBEKaml |
:) |
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_Dot_ |
heh |
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_Dot_ |
if you want a laboral contribution from me, just ask :) |
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jaffa4 |
moritz_: I wonder what does that do? |
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moritz_ |
jaffa4: don't wonder, look at the specs |
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moritz_ |
rakudo: run('uptime') |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT« 15:19:07 up 179 days, 54 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.19, 0.21» |
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moritz_ |
jnthn: uhm, lexical setting broke Safe.pm - any idea what I could do about it? |
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jaffa4 |
moritz_: reading it, well it is not clear yet. Pity that there are no examples. |
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lue |
oh hai! |
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lue |
weird, I was under the impression s/// worked... |
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lue |
rakudo: $_ = "oh hi there"; s/"hi"/"hai"/; say $_ |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«oh hi there» |
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* lue |
thinks of a Perl6 implementation written in DNA... |
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* diakopter |
doesn't |
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_Dot_ |
a gnewsense living thing? o.o'' |
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lue |
or maybe a DNA interpreter was written in P6, long ago... |
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lue |
(it would explain why P6 comes naturally to most people) |
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lue |
rakudo: say "I'm still here" |
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jaffa4 |
sprixel: say "hello" |
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jaffa4 |
sprixel: say "hello"; |
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lue |
.oO(we gather here today, for the loss of a valuable bot. Some say, p6eval was great, better than any bot made by Google, and he...) |
| 16:05 |
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diakopter |
well |
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diakopter |
hm |
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lue |
.oO( aw, you can see little dents in the carpet where he used to stand :( ) |
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lue |
now masak just bounced off the wall! /o\ |
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diakopter |
rakudo: say "I'm still here" |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«I'm still here» |
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lue |
:D |
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lue |
#61980 is interesting. Is it working for me because I have ICU, or because it just works? |
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lue |
afk |
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masak |
lambda, grettingscamels. |
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masak |
s/ett/eet/ |
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moritz_ |
\o/ |
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* masak |
learned a new wavie from _Dot_: o.O/ |
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masak |
sort of astonished and greeting-y at the same time. :) |
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moritz_ |
btw I've mostly implemented the Date module |
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moritz_ |
apart from overloading operators it's 90% done |
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moritz_ |
and the operators are also LHF, once a certain rakudobug is fixed |
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masak |
moritz_++ |
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masak |
moritz_: oh btw, you asked about the status of the Web.pm grant the other day. it is this: we've done 19 weeks out of a planned 20. we're unable to contact our grants manager. next step I think is to contact someone in TPF. |
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lue |
rakudo: $_ = "y oh hi"; s/'hi'/'hai'/; say $_ |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«y oh hi» |
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lue |
I was truly under the impression s/// worked (am I doing something wrong?) |
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masak |
lue: it works. |
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masak |
lue: just not in sink context. |
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masak |
rakudo: my $a = 'y oh hi'; $a ~~ s/hi/hai/; say $a |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«y oh hai» |
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lue |
( and here I though #61980 was ready to close :) ) |
| 17:17 |
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lue |
rakudo: my $a = 'y oh hi'; $a ~~ tr/hi/hai/; say $a |
| 17:17 |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11, near "$a ~~ tr/h"current instr.: 'perl6;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 500 (ext/nqp-rx/src/stage0/HLL-s0.pir:328)» |
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lue |
*cough* wrong bug number |
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lue |
#62064 |
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* masak |
laughs about cpedia's take on Perl 6 and related topics |
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* lue |
looks up cpedia |
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masak |
it's on cpedia.com |
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masak |
I'd describe it as a Wikipedia written by blind robots. it's made by automated aggregation of various web content. |
| 17:25 |
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lue |
I'm remembering my idea of placing the spec on wikibooks, but an actual programming book would be more useful :) |
| 17:25 |
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masak |
yes. please don't fork the spec to wikibooks :P |
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masak |
also, there's also a Perl 6 book on wikibooks. |
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masak |
s:2nd/also/already/ |
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lue |
(any of you Phoenix Wright fans, cpedia has a very interesting introduction to the article on Damon Gant) |
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lue |
masak: do you happen to know of a pronoun describing a hash-like structure? (for %_ of course) |
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lue |
(I have currently resorted to either finding such a pronoun in another language or making a new word) |
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* lue |
thinks of having two #rs meetings in one day, for those who can't make 19:00 UTC. Not sure how that would work, though. |
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masak |
well, the original purpose of a meeting is to collect everyone's thoughts, so... |
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lue |
I would love to contribute, but Tuesday at 11/12 my time (depending on DST) is when I'm in class :( |
| 17:53 |
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lue |
And I don't want to suggest taking #rs away from people who are only around at that time of day. |
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lue |
[ isn't i18n fun? :) ] |
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* masak |
.oO( of all people, I'd expect lue to have very little problems with things colliding in time ) |
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lue |
when you have a 50 minute battery on your laptop... |
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lue |
even if I brought my laptop with me, it wouldn't last the whole class :/ |
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lue |
.oO(it, them... doi. hets? tren? grrr) |
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lue |
.oO(I could buy a new laptop battery, or a bunch of Li-Ion batteries and perform an exercise in soldering...) |
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lue |
_iff_ i were to have a blog added to the aggregator, would it end up showing every post I make, or automagically just the P6 ones? |
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masak |
which aggregator? |
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masak |
Planet Perl 6? |
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lue |
yes (whichever is the one people are always referring to) |
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masak |
people are sometimes referring to Iron Man as well. |
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masak |
but ISTR that Planet Perl 6 mirrors everything. |
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lue |
.oO[ $_'s annoying, how we can name @_ (@_ being various symbols in P6), except for %_ :( ] |
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lue |
afk ( while considering what to call %_ :) ) |
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masak |
rakudo: class A { method foo {} }; say A.can("foo").WHAT |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Method 'WHAT' not found for invocant of class 'P6Invocation'current instr.: '_block14' pc 29 (EVAL_1:0)» |
| 18:28 |
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masak |
o.O |
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* masak |
submits rakudobug |
| 18:30 |
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slavik |
mason is awesome :) it should get ported to perl6 :D |
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diakopter |
ooo; rakudo has a P6Invocation class; interesting |
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masak |
what's it doing with my .can call? I thought the point of .can was *not* to have to do an invocation to find out if a method exists? :) |
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diakopter |
rakudo: class A { }; say A.can("foo").WHAT |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Parcel()» |
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diakopter |
rakudo: class A { }; say A.can("foo").^methods |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: ( no output ) |
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diakopter |
timeout I guess |
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masak |
rakudo: say '!'; class A { }; say A.can("foo").^methods |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«!» |
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masak |
seems so. |
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plobsing |
who do I poke about getting a patch reviewed and applied? |
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moritz_ |
plobsing: probably jnthn at the moment |
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moritz_ |
more so if it's the one for bind.c |
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plobsing |
what hours is he usually on? |
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moritz_ |
typically 12H UTC until midnight UTC or so |
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moritz_ |
but he's on a trip to Russia (or will be very soon), so things coudl be quite different |
| 19:01 |
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moritz_ |
plobsing: anyway, if you block on that patch for your parrot branch, I can apply it - it seems reasonably safe to me, although I don't fully understand the code |
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moritz_ |
testing it now |
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* moritz_ |
has blogged: http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/per[…]/date-module.html |
| 19:47 |
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masak |
moritz_++ |
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masak |
in a bikeshedding-heavy zone like the one we're in now, it's always nice to see actual, working code. |
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* diakopter |
helped build an actual bikeshed, 13 years ago. |
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masak |
what color was it? |
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diakopter |
wood |
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masak |
sounds like a Solomonian solution to the whole issue. |
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diakopter |
yeah. those who want to see it a certain color can just wear tinted glasses |
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masak |
:) |
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* masak |
considers mentioning p6l... decides not to... |
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colomon |
moritz_++ |
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lue |
hello! (I just met Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson. must be getting serious.) |
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smash_ |
hello everyone |
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lue |
hello? |
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sorear |
we're all in #parrot |
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lue |
on MAGnet ? |
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lue |
(coming) |
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* lue |
wishes he knew what was happening at #parrot (the backlogs might help :P) |
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plobsing |
lue: quarterly planning/review meeting |
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lue |
ah ( would explain the draft in here :) ) |
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colomon |
I was playing with my boy and watching the masters. |
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colomon |
*Masters |
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lue |
rakudo: my $a = "hi"; say qqx/$a/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«operation not permitted in safe modecurrent instr.: '&die' pc 17293 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:404)» |
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lue |
ō.o |
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lue |
I get the feeling it's not just a quoting construct, but there's only one mention in the spec, and it's not descriptive... |
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colomon |
rakudo: my $a = "ls"; say qqx/$a/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«operation not permitted in safe modecurrent instr.: '&die' pc 17293 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:404)» |
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* arnsholt |
is happy |
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lue |
> ./perl6 -e "my $a = 'ls'; say qqx/$a/" |
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lue |
Malformed my at line 1, near "= 'ls'; sa" |
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arnsholt |
Starting to write AST classes for Parrotlog ^^ |
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lue |
\o/ |
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lue |
now why do I get a malformed my? |
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lue |
rakudo: run("ls") |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«buildConfigure.plCREDITSdocsdynextlibLICENSEMakefileparrotparrot_installperl6perl6.cperl6_group.cperl6_group.hperl6_group.operl6.operl6.pbcperl6.pirREADMEsrctTest.pirTest.pmtools» |
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snarkyboojum |
lue: try ./perl6 -e 'my $a = "ls"; say qqx/$a/' |
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snarkyboojum |
but yeah, not sure :) |
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arnsholt |
rakudo: my $a = 'ls'; say qqx/$a/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«operation not permitted in safe modecurrent instr.: '&die' pc 17293 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:404)» |
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lue |
snarkyboojum++ |
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lue |
are there tests for qqx? |
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lue |
I have to know; what does LHF mean? |
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snarkyboojum |
lhf = low hanging fruit? |
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lue |
my guess has always been left hand [something] |
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lue |
rakudo: my Int $x = +'2' |
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p6eval |
rakudo ae2e81: OUTPUT«Type check failed for assignmentcurrent instr.: '&die' pc 17293 (src/builtins/Junction.pir:404)» |
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arnsholt |
Something, somewhere, in my grammar is getting passed too many arguments. Is there a good way to figure out where it's happening? |
| 22:47 |
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arnsholt |
'Cause "too many positional arguments: 3 passed, 2 expected" is a bit diffuse |
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lue |
what is it trying to do? |
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arnsholt |
Parse something, seeing how it's a grammar =) |
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m6locks |
add some debugging say-lines to see what arguments are passed |
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lue |
well, what is it trying to parse :) |
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lue |
C<say>ing things is the simplest form of debugging (but it works quite well) |
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arnsholt |
m6locks: I suppose. But doing that to all the rules in my grammar is not really a very tractable option |
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m6locks |
i hear ya |
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m6locks |
i'm kinda in the same situation as you are |
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arnsholt |
Seeing how there are probably about 200 of them |
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lue |
oh, so it's throughout the entire grammar? hm |
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arnsholt |
lue: I don't know -where- in the grammar |
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arnsholt |
That's the problem |
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m6locks |
lue: how does that C<say> work? |
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lue |
that's just how you seperate a command in the documentation. C<> for commands, L<> for links, and so on. |
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m6locks |
oh ok |
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lue |
I use it when I don't want to risk ambiguity |
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snarkyboojum |
C<> for code :) |
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* lue |
thinks of writing syntax highlight files for P6, beginning with Kate, then emacs |
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sorear |
lue: don't, we already have a syntax highlighter for P6 |
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sorear |
TimToady wrote it |
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lue |
where? |
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sorear |
src/perl6/std_hilite |
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lue |
I don't see how one could use that in kate. I can see it as a "highlight-'n'-output", but I meant as in while you're developing |
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lue |
( unless I completely miss the point of std_hilite :) ) |
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sorear |
you should port std_hilite to work with kate |
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sorear |
the point of std_hilite is that it's std |
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sorear |
it parses Perl, correctly |
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lue |
hm, porting seems difficult :D . (Kate only needs an XML file, so I'm not too sure how to port it other than writing it on my own like planned) |
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lue |
the only thing of use (to me) is the css file then. |
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lue |
I can't use it because STD is not in the hilite's path, but it looks like it would produce an intersting image... are there any examples? |
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lue |
.oO(defining a list of operators in the kate syntax file could be a pain) |
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