Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2011-01-11

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01:45 snarkyboojum phenny, tell tadzik - what is neutro designed to do if you want to install a module who's name clashes with one of the neutro commands e.g. 'list' or 'install' etc?
01:45 phenny snarkyboojum: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around.
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02:21 shortcircuit TimToady: Broadly speaking, I tend to see two camps. One thinks Perl 6 is supposed to be a drop-in replacement of Perl 5, and figures that since their distro didn't come with Perl 6 at /usr/bin/perl, then Perl 6 isn't ready. The other might be aware that they're two different languages, but (as you noted) sees it as an all-or-nothing status.
02:22 shortcircuit If you could recruit active maintainers for (at a guess) Debian, Fedora and Red Hat, so that up-to-date Perl 6 had in-band distribution, I bet you'd see use expand more quickly.
02:25 shortcircuit Heck, even an alternate repos would be good; use distro packaging tools tends to be more convenient than manual grab/build/install.
02:25 shortcircuit (And, no, I'm not volunteering anything more than the idea...)
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02:29 flussence I keep telling myself I'll go and make a perl6 gentoo repo, but I can never motivate myself enough to start it :(
02:29 shortcircuit flussence: Do you need more people to tell you? :)
02:30 flussence I see a growing number of people in here asking for one... at least 3 or 4
02:30 shortcircuit As for binary distributions, I think Novell runs some kind of auto-builder-and-packager.
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03:42 Topic for #perl6 is now »ö« Welcome to Perl 6! | http://perl6.org/ | evalbot usage: 'perl6: say 3;' or rakudo:, niecza:, std:, or /msg p6eval perl6: ... | irclog: http://irc.perl6.org/ | UTF-8 is our friend! | http://tinyurl.com/p6contest
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03:43 colomon rakudo: (1...10).first(* > 20).say
03:43 p6eval rakudo ca62f2:  ( no output )
03:43 colomon rakudo: (1...10).first(* > 20).WHAT.say
03:43 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«Failure()␤»
03:44 colomon rakudo: say (1...10).first(* > 20) // die "Unable to find"
03:44 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«Unable to find␤  in main program body at line 22:/tmp/jF5PbVw_Nw␤»
03:44 colomon rakudo: say (1...10).first(* > 5) // die "Unable to find"
03:44 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«6␤»
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06:01 [Coke] rakudo: 0.025.Rat.perl.say
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06:13 dalek niecza: 04bce2a | sorear++ | / (7 files):
06:13 dalek niecza: [v6] Translate regex optimizer
06:13 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/04bce2af8e
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06:19 TimToady rakudo: 0.025.perl.say
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06:20 TimToady the .Rat is redundant
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06:26 dukeleto TimToady: tell that to the Mouse
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09:24 sorear perl6: say "hi"
09:24 p6eval pugs, rakudo ca62f2, niecza v1-123-g04bce2a: OUTPUT«hi␤»
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09:36 masak morning, zebras.
09:37 moritz_ morning, zebra!
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09:37 * masak really liked http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/blog​/matt-s-trout/sherlock-holmes/
09:38 masak it had the taste of HP.MoR
09:38 sorear hello masak
09:39 mathw pah you set off my highlighter again
09:39 mathw Saluton, masak
09:39 moritz_ masak: then I have to read it later :-)
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09:41 masak bonan matenon, mathw. you need a special case for your highlighter, then. :)
09:41 mathw yes I wonder if I can teach it to ignore mst urls
09:42 * sorear is considering dropping his highlight for niecza
09:42 sorear so many people use perl6: now
09:42 masak "There is no shame in failing to convince a sizable herd of the twitterati to recover from its regularly scheduled six-month swoon of the language du jour or to consider that the hundred line lump of spaghetti Perl 4 they wrote back in 1999 has little to do with good Perl as written then, let alone today." -- chromatic++
09:42 masak :)
09:43 masak ties into what we were talking about yesterday.
09:44 masak I kept thinking about it, and concluded that I do the Twitter-Perl6 thing mostly to please myself. I don't imagine it'll ever have a huge effect, but it puts me in contact with people who have at least shown a moderate interest. and I like that.
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09:48 masak and that's why I think alester's message mostly depressed me -- not because I think I'm doing anything *useful* by trying to reform trolls, but because I like it and I feel it sometimes pays off in unexpected ways.
09:48 mathw Do what you like with that, I think
09:48 mathw You're not going around screaming at people for no reason
09:48 mathw So carry on :)
09:48 mathw And sometimes it does work nicely
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09:50 masak talking to Twitterpeople is a bit like Dan and Laurie taking the Owl in the middle of the night and saving a bunch of people in a burning building. doesn't have anything to do with the bad guys, doesn't move the movie forward, but it feels pretty nice.
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09:53 mathw actually it was hugely important for their character development, ultimately leading them to do what they did later :P
09:54 mathw but it's better in the comic
09:54 mathw So the question is, are you getting good character development out of Twitter engagement :D
09:55 masak I think so. the meetings don't lead to long-lasting friendships, but sometimes to people saying "huh! didn't know that. cool!"
09:56 masak (and yes, the comic is better. I figured more people had seen the movie, though.)
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10:01 dalek niecza: 5037384 | sorear++ | / (3 files):
10:01 dalek niecza: [v6] Add dotnet backend
10:01 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/50373847b3
10:02 sorear doesn't quite pass testsuite yet though.
10:06 mathw masak: I think it's part of what makes Twitter great, the occasional random person who comments helpfully on one's exclamations
10:07 mathw what makes it less great is a whole load of people who put @maw in their messages but have no connection with me whatsoever
10:07 mathw often on the end of a retweet chain where it's a truncated username
10:07 mathw but recently more people deliberately writing @MAW as if it's a location or something people are expected to recognise
10:07 mathw probably not realising that there might be a Twitter user...
10:08 masak mathw: my nick doesn't have that problem. maybe you should change your nick.
10:08 mathw I can't, all the ones I'd want are taken now
10:08 mathw I wanted to change it to mathw but someone else has that
10:08 mathw various other variants also seem to be taken
10:08 mathw so I decided to just stick with it
10:09 mathw it's only one or two a day usually, I just block them
10:10 jnthn morning, #perl6
10:11 mathw oh hai jnthn
10:11 masak lolitsjnthn!
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10:13 Fuad hi all
10:14 masak Fuad! \o/
10:14 Fuad masak !!
10:14 Fuad How are you bro?
10:14 masak :) fine, thanks.
10:15 masak and you... bro?
10:15 Fuad Im great thanks. Glad to mee you bro;)
10:16 mathw Hello
10:16 sorear our friend dd070 is still trolling #moose
10:20 snarkyboojum yay.. niecza builds on HEAD :D thanks sorear++
10:21 dalek niecza: a8e90fd | sorear++ | v6/ (3 files):
10:21 dalek niecza: [v6] Autoconfigure paths from ApplicationBase
10:21 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/a8e90fdb12
10:22 sorear niecza on perl 6 is now fully functional as a compiler... except for the bugs and lack of a build system
10:23 masak cool.
10:38 snarkyboojum sorear: what was the milestone tipping niecza over to a "fully functional" compiler?
10:39 masak snarkyboojum: sorear is talking about 'niecza on perl 6' specifically. he's rewriting parts of niecza in Perl 6.
10:40 snarkyboojum masak: cool - picked up on that over the last few days.. still have my question tho :D
10:43 snarkyboojum guesses it has something to do with the "Add dotnet backend" commit :)
10:43 moritz_ previously niecza would compile to C#
10:44 moritz_ now it uses a code generation API
10:44 moritz_ (iiuc)
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10:46 sorear yes, but that's not related
10:46 sorear I was moving the code generation API hooks from the Prl5 to the Perl 6 with that commit
10:46 sorear the milestone tipping was auto-configuration
10:46 moritz_ ok
10:46 sorear it's now possible to run Niecza.exe from any current directory
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10:47 mathw \o/
10:48 sorear std: q:to/FOO/;␤Hi␤
10:48 p6eval std 625303c: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Couldn't find delimiter for heredoc␤ at /tmp/DpBTQTea2e line 2 (EOF):␤------> [32mHi[33m⏏[31m<EOL>[0m␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 118m␤»
10:49 * sorear out
10:54 masak interesting to read how Google Chrome does releases: https://docs.google.com/present/vi​ew?id=dg63dpc6_4d7vkk6ch&amp;pli=1
10:55 mathw perhaps we should have auto-updating Rakudo :P
10:56 * mathw can already hear the screams
11:02 colomon auto-updating source code ought to be pretty easy to do....  ;)
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12:03 arnsholt Is gather-take over something that is generated from gather-take still a problem?
12:05 flussence ok 6 - nested gather works (two levels)
12:05 flussence ok 7 - nested gather works (three levels)
12:05 flussence works according to t/
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12:06 arnsholt Hmm. Then it's something else I've done wrong
12:06 arnsholt Cheers!
12:10 masak golf your code and your expectations. :)
12:11 arnsholt Good quote!
12:11 arnsholt I loled. I really did ^_^
12:11 arnsholt This is another problem with coding for a competition. I can't give the code that blows up
12:12 arnsholt I have to actually reduce the test-case
12:12 masak that's a good thing.
12:12 arnsholt Yeah, it usually means I find the problem on my own =)
12:12 masak yes.
12:12 arnsholt I think you mentioned something similar when you talked about November in Oslo
12:12 masak yes.
12:12 masak half of the time, the problem *goes away* or is reduced to an already reported bug.
12:13 masak in the former case, I just vow to be better and move on. in the latter case, I usually rant a bit here on #perl6 about the bug not being fixed yet.
12:16 arnsholt Sounds like a good plan
12:16 arnsholt Incidentally, my problem turned out to be a forgotten | to flatten an arglist
12:19 masak it's a good thing you have tests to catch such minor issues.
12:19 arnsholt Whatever you say ;)
12:20 arnsholt I'm still a bad TDD practicioner, unfortunately =)
12:20 arnsholt I usually do manual testing until I'm fairly certain the API/protocols are more or less sane and usable
12:23 masak no harm in that.
12:23 arnsholt ATM I'm just trying to make the basic game logic (for p4) work without exploding all the time =)
12:23 masak :)
12:24 arnsholt Still haven't decided how it'll communicate with the UI part of the problem
12:26 colomon :)
12:26 tadzik o/
12:26 phenny tadzik: 01:45Z <snarkyboojum> tell tadzik - what is neutro designed to do if you want to install a module who's name clashes with one of the neutro commands e.g. 'list' or 'install' etc?
12:26 * colomon is currently overhauling his internal logic and tests for p4.
12:26 masak "doctor, it hurts when I do this."
12:26 tadzik snarkyboojum: it will show the list. Probably shouldn't though
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12:27 masak tadzik: in the presence of a "list" module, how would one use the "list" subcommand?
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12:30 tadzik phenny: one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm
12:31 moritz_ tadzik talks to bots!
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12:47 takadonet morning all
12:48 colomon o/
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12:52 dalek niecza: 3318e17 | pmurias++ | niecza:
12:52 dalek niecza: fix executable name in ./niecza
12:52 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/3318e17660
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13:14 tadzik :<
13:14 tadzik phenny: tell masak one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm
13:14 phenny tadzik: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
13:15 pmurias snarkyboojum: i fixed the bug you found
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13:32 arnsholt Time to figure out this protocol thing, I think
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14:07 arnsholt Is there any reason a gather-take would modify my array?
14:08 arnsholt Er, never mind
14:08 arnsholt This is what I get for naming one of my subs take ^_^
14:14 arnsholt I'm sure naming it pick instead won't get me into any trouble later on =D
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14:16 VXZ I there some metaop or something in perl 6 to override the precedence of an operation?  Like a number enclosed in some weird unicode bracket characters next to the operator, to set the precedence level of that operation to the specified number.
14:17 flussence it's probably doable by messing with the parser, but I'd just use ()s
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14:18 moritz_ VXZ: our precedence levels aren't numbered, but relative to each other
14:18 moritz_ VXZ: ie you can insert precedence levels
14:18 moritz_ so numbers aren't very meaningful
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14:20 VXZ moritz_: So, the metaop could just specify the precedence, relative to the current precedence?
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14:21 arnsholt I don't really see the use-case here
14:21 arnsholt Why are parens inadequate?
14:23 VXZ I just think it might come in handy in places.  But you're probably right.
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14:23 arnsholt Unrelated, I <3 the fact that loop control works in the dynamic scope
14:25 flussence rakudo: sub a {  last; ]
14:25 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 22␤»
14:25 flussence whoops
14:25 flussence rakudo: sub a {  last; }; for 1..10 { *.say; a }
14:25 p6eval rakudo ca62f2:  ( no output )
14:26 flussence rakudo: sub a {  last; }; for 1..10 { $_.say; a }
14:26 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«1␤»
14:27 flussence wow, I've found myself wanting to do that in p5 several times... had to make the code look ugly more often than not
14:28 arnsholt Actually, I'm pretty sure that works in p5 as well
14:28 arnsholt At least for some loops
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14:30 VXZ Yeah, in p5 a bare block is a loop that only runs once.  So 'last' works.
14:31 VXZ Doesn't work that way on subs, do, or some other stuff, though.
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14:40 moritz_ block can be left with leave() in Perl 6 (though NYI in rakudo, iirc)
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15:38 takadonet what is p6 version of http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/ord.html
15:40 moritz_ rakudo: say ord("A")
15:40 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«65␤»
15:40 moritz_ rakudo: say ords("Abc").perl
15:40 p6eval rakudo ca62f2: OUTPUT«(65, 98, 99)␤»
15:41 takadonet ....
15:41 moritz_ !!!
15:41 takadonet sometime i should just try it before asking
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15:53 * moritz_ is amazed at how much you can do wrong in a single, one-page document
15:53 * moritz_ tries to submit an abstract to a scientific conference
15:54 takadonet which conference?
15:54 PerlJam spelling, grammar, punctuation, spacing, font choice, font size, ... there are lots of knobs to twiddle.  :)
15:54 moritz_ takadonet: CLEO Europe
15:54 moritz_ PerlJam: and then plots...
15:55 moritz_ don't forget content, title and affilitations
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15:58 * flussence is sitting at $dayjob wishing p5 had a ql() operator (i.e. $str.indent(*).lines)
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16:00 moritz_ std: ql/ab/
16:00 p6eval std 625303c: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m␤Bogus term at /tmp/fLO82RuQEt line 1 (EOF):␤------> [32mql/ab/[33m⏏[31m<EOL>[0m␤Undeclared routines:␤    'ab' used at line 1␤    'ql' used at line 1␤Parse failed␤FAILED 00:01 120m␤»
16:01 flussence (I'd go write that, but right now my .indent(*) test fails with bizarre output)
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16:02 jaffa4 hi
16:02 jaffa4 I have problem with trying out the latest perl
16:03 moritz_ which perl?
16:03 PerlJam jaffa4: If you mean Perl 5.x, then you probably want #perl or #perlhelp or something
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16:04 jaffa4 no perl6
16:04 moritz_ which perl6?
16:04 jaffa4 I get Could not load oplib `perl6_ops'
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16:04 moritz_ which perl6?
16:04 moritz_ rakudo?
16:04 jaffa4 yes
16:04 jaffa4 december version
16:04 moritz_ did you install it, as the README says?
16:05 jaffa4 no I used parrot-32 download site
16:05 jaffa4 to download compiled parrot.exe and perl6.exe
16:05 jaffa4 and merged them in the same directory
16:06 jaffa4 Also, I tried to install it using msys using the source distribution but I did not get far
16:07 moritz_ sorry, I don't know anything about the windows binaries
16:07 PerlJam jaffa4: what is "parrot-32 download site"?
16:07 moritz_ you'd have to contact the one who provided the binaries
16:08 jaffa4 you must know about perl6_ops
16:08 flussence sounds like a mis-installed parrot
16:08 PerlJam or  the provided perl6 doesn't know where the installed parrot lives
16:09 PerlJam (i.e. it may need to live in a specific dir, but it was placed in another dir)
16:10 jnthn jaffa4: You need to install those in the default directory.
16:10 jnthn Dunno why the installer offers the option to do different.
16:10 jnthn They aren't relocatable.
16:10 jaffa4 what is the default directory?
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16:12 jnthn jaffa4: The one the installer wants to put it in
16:12 jnthn (I don't know off hand what it is.)
16:12 jaffa4 ok
16:13 jaffa4 you are right
16:13 jaffa4 the reality confirms you.
16:14 PerlJam heh
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16:16 * colomon is somewhat mystified at how moritz_ can have p4 solution that works on everything but 10...
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16:22 jaffa4 Has anyone tried to convert perl6 into exe?
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16:27 jaffa4 I do not understand why there is no one installer for it
16:27 jaffa4 parrot+rakudo
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16:36 takadonet jaffa4: for which type of system? windows? linux?
16:36 jaffa4 windows.
16:36 takadonet that be a jnthn question then...
16:36 jaffa4 Is it true that pbc to exe does not convert pbc , just it embeds pbc in an exe file?
16:37 PerlJam jaffa4: something like that
16:37 jaffa4 Does it convert pbc into something else?
16:38 PerlJam no
16:39 PerlJam Are you looking to write stand-alone Perl 6 apps ?
16:39 jnthn fwiw, .exe files produced by the .Net CLR do *exactly* the same thing. :)
16:40 jaffa4 maybe
16:40 jnthn jaffa4: There's probably no single installer because nobody has the time to produce/maintain it yet.
16:40 jnthn jaffa4: No not maybe I'm telling you that's how it works. :)
16:40 jnthn oh, sorry, maybe that was to PerlJam :)
16:40 jaffa4 for now, I could give you an installer
16:41 jaffa4 it does not take long to make one...
16:41 jnthn jaffa4: Then please, go ahead. It'd be much appreciated. :)
16:41 PerlJam jaffa4: that would be great!
16:41 jaffa4 I know innosetup
16:41 tadzik seen x3nu
16:41 aloha x3nu was last seen in #perl6 61 days 18 hours ago joining the channel.
16:41 jaffa4 if that is ok
16:41 jnthn jaffa4: Works for me.
16:41 tadzik iirc he was writing and using the window installers
16:42 jaffa4 I use one only for a while, innosetup
16:42 jnthn jaffa4: I did one for the initial Rakudo * but it wasn't scripted or anything like that...built it using Visual Studio. But an inno one is probably easier to set up and maybe even add a Makefile target for.
16:43 jnthn inno works fine for me, anyway :)
16:44 * jnthn goes to the shop, bbiab
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16:54 jaffa4 ok
16:54 jaffa4 I have the installer
16:55 jaffa4 Who wants to download it?
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17:09 tadzik jaffa4: just post the url here or on the perl6-users mailing list
17:10 jaffa4 Where can I upload it ?
17:10 tadzik if someone can verify it we can maybe put it into the rakudo download page
17:10 tadzik hmm, do you have a github account?
17:11 jaffa4 yes, I think so
17:13 tadzik you can put it there then
17:15 shortcircuit flussence: Simple question...If you're motivated to create the Gentoo ebuild for Rakudo, will you be motivated to maintain it?
17:16 takadonet shortcircuit: how much work is involved to maintain it?
17:16 shortcircuit I really don't know. Never tried myself.
17:17 tadzik that'd also require caring about Parrot
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17:17 shortcircuit At a minimum, it'd be obvious things like marshaling bug reports upstream.
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17:18 shortcircuit I read flameeyes' blog, where I hear stories about other headaches that come from maintaining gentoo ebuilds, but most of that seems to stem from uncooperative upstreams.
17:19 takadonet wonder how hard to be added to ubuntu
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17:20 daxim what's the url for q{Patrick's "Cool Perl 6"} talk mentioned in <https://github.com/schwern/perl5i/issues#issue/144>?
17:20 tadzik my PM pal has an overlay with more-less-recent rakudos in Ubuntu
17:24 PerlJam daxim: http://www.pmichaud.com/2010/pre​s/yapcna-perl6/slides/start.html
17:24 daxim thanks, PerlJam++
17:25 PerlJam daxim: I assume you're going to update the issue with that URL so that I don't have to?  :)
17:25 daxim yes, I'll do it
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17:43 moritz_ colomon: you misunderstood me. 10 is the first number where I know my solution not to work
17:43 moritz_ colomon: it's not necesarily the only one
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17:48 colomon moritz_: oh.
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17:53 jaffa4 daxim
17:53 jaffa4 not as easy as it sounds
18:01 tadzik is it possible for a subroutine to generate a Proper USAGE sub?
18:01 tadzik I'm thinking about something like pod2usage
18:01 moritz_ hm
18:01 moritz_ it can export one
18:02 moritz_ I guess
18:06 PerlJam Doesn't MAIN give usage information?
18:06 tadzik nah, but when you declare MAIN, USAGE gets generated
18:07 tadzik but if you want your own USAGE, you can write your own
18:07 PerlJam ah.
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18:20 tadzik hrm, is MAIN known to get lost in case of a big list of args?
18:20 tadzik oh, nvm, my bad
18:20 jnthn #phasers is int...40 mins?
18:23 moritz_ jnthn: aye
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18:24 colomon thanks for the reminder
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18:34 tadzik can't one call USAGE() from MAIN()?
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18:44 sorear good * #perl6
18:44 diakopter *
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19:09 masak ahoy, #perl6!
19:09 phenny masak: 13:14Z <tadzik> tell masak one won't :) That's probably a misfeature atm
19:09 jnthn masak: #phasers! ;)
19:09 masak ooh!
19:10 jnthn ;)
19:11 jaffa4 ok
19:11 jaffa4 here it is
19:11 jaffa4 https://github.com/jaffa4/Parrot-and-P​erl-6-Win32-Binaries-in-One-Package/bl​ob/master/Parrot-2.11.0-Rakudo-36.exe
19:11 jaffa4 get it if you can
19:11 tadzik jaffa4++
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19:13 masak jaffa4: hi! long time no see! :)
19:13 dalek rakudo: ea8c88a | moritz++ | docs/ChangeLog:
19:13 dalek rakudo: update ChangeLog
19:13 dalek rakudo: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ea8c88a0e3
19:13 tadzik masak: stupid options handling in neutro fixed
19:14 jaffa4 hi masak!
19:15 diakopter jaffa4: hi from me also
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19:40 rindolf Hi all.
19:41 tadzik hi
19:42 takadonet rindolf: yo
19:42 rindolf What's up?
19:42 moritz_ many servers are up
19:43 tadzik the sky
19:43 tadzik HA! I've been waiting weeks to have an opportunity to say that :)
19:43 * masak is up
19:44 jnthn ...tmi. :P
19:45 mkramer hey - does anyone remember where the cumulative differ lives?
19:45 mkramer oops, wrong channel
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19:51 flussence shortcircuit: hm, I dunno. It's usually very little effort to maintain once it's been written though.
19:52 sorear my $foo = "a\n  b";
19:52 sorear say qq:to/bar/ ;
19:52 sorear $foo
19:52 sorear bar
19:53 sorear er
19:53 sorear bar
19:53 sorear what does this print?
19:53 PerlJam you mean, what *should* it print?
19:53 masak sorear: "a\n  b"?
19:53 masak er, "a\n  b\n"
19:54 PerlJam sorear: "a\n  b\n"  I'd think
19:54 sorear PerlJam: well, yes, as nobody handles trimming yet
19:54 sorear except STD-on-viv, and that doesn't really count
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20:04 flussence I should mention that PHP's heredocs discard the trailing \n, which in my experience is missing the point of heredocs.
20:05 flussence it's easier to trim an unwanted \n (which is pretty rare) than concatenate one on the end.
20:06 dalek niecza: 4afcf98 | sorear++ | v6/ (2 files):
20:06 dalek niecza: [v6] Fix heredoc parsing
20:06 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/4afcf9800f
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21:09 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { say ", ".join: $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est" }; say compare("funny")
21:09 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«No applicable candidates found to dispatch to for 'join'. Available candidates are:␤:(Mu : Any $separator = { ... };; *%_)␤␤  in 'compare' at line 22:/tmp/13m9KS9KqS␤  in main program body at line 22:/tmp/13m9KS9KqS␤»
21:09 masak ouch. Python-think. :)
21:10 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { say join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
21:10 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤Bool::True␤»
21:10 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective) { $adjective.substr($adjective.chars - 1) eq "y" ?? $adjective.substr(0, $adjective.chars - 1) ~ "i" !! $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
21:10 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
21:10 masak \o/
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21:11 tadzik oh wow
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21:12 masak I'm sure it can be written nicelier.
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21:18 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { s/y$/i/ given $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
21:18 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
21:18 masak much better :)
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21:19 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { s/y$/i/ given $adjective }; sub compare($adjective) { [$_, .&y2i ~ "er", .&y2i ~ "est"].fmt("%s", ", ") given $adjective }; say compare("funny")
21:19 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, funnier, funniest␤»
21:20 tadzik s/y$/i/ given $adjective – nice one
21:20 jnthn Now write me one for Russian. :P
21:20 tadzik but why not just $adjective ~~ s/y$/i/?
21:20 masak rakudo: sub y2i($adjective is copy) { $adjective ~~ s/y$/i/ }; sub compare($adjective) { join(", ", $adjective, $adjective.&y2i ~ "er", $adjective.&y2i ~ "est") }; say compare("funny")
21:20 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«funny, Bool::Trueer, Bool::Trueest␤»
21:21 masak o.O
21:21 jnthn lol
21:21 * masak submits rakudobug
21:21 jnthn masak: Is it bug?
21:21 tadzik :DD
21:21 masak jnthn: I declare it a bug.
21:21 jnthn rakudo: my $x = "lol"; say $x ~~ s/o/0/;
21:21 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«Bool::True␤»
21:22 masak based on tadzik's expectations, and the lack of spec.
21:22 jnthn That's...curious. :)
21:22 tadzik it certainly isn't DWIM
21:22 jnthn No
21:22 jnthn wtf. :/
21:22 jnthn rakudo: my $x = "lol"; say ($x ~~ s/o/0/).WHAT;
21:22 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«Bool()␤»
21:22 jnthn Wow
21:22 jnthn I thought it was doing something with a match object that it was getting back somehow
21:22 jnthn But...not even that.
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21:22 masak definitely something for RT.
21:22 jnthn aye
21:23 jnthn Not sure what the spec is, but the above outcome is awfulest.
21:23 masak see, kids? and I didn't even *plan* to discover a rakudobug this time!
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21:23 moritz_ p5 people want to write   if $x ~~ s/foo/bar/ { ... }
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21:24 moritz_ anyway, 'night
21:24 diakopter 'nite
21:24 jnthn night, masak
21:24 * masak isn't going to bed yet :)
21:25 tadzik rakudo: my $a = "foo"; if $a ~~ s/foo/bar/ { say "yas" }
21:25 p6eval rakudo ea8c88: OUTPUT«yas␤»
21:25 jnthn oh
21:25 jnthn tab fail :)
21:25 tadzik night moritz_
21:25 masak I understand moritz_' explanation, but I don't like it.
21:25 tadzik anyways, won't Match object evaluate to true anyway?
21:26 tadzik and if the match fails, there will be no object, no?
21:26 jnthn Yes
21:26 * colomon has just been hit with the sudden strong belief he's seen the pattern of numbers coming up in p4 somewhere before....
21:26 jnthn tadzik: a false match object
21:26 tadzik . o O (4 8 15 16 23 42)
21:26 tadzik jnthn: good too
21:30 masak tadzik: I don't want it to return the match object. I'd like it to return the resulting Str.
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21:30 masak tadzik: if it returned the match object in my case above, it'd stringify to 'y'
21:31 jnthn masak: I'm sure you know the counter case though. $x = 'x'; if $x ~~ s/x// { ... }
21:31 masak right.
21:31 jnthn It successfully substituted, but the resulting string is empty and thus false.
21:31 masak I see that.
21:31 jnthn Maybe we just gotta choose our wart.
21:31 masak and an obvious patch to that would be to do 'but True' on the Str...
21:31 masak ...but I am reluctant to propose that.
21:32 jnthn I was gonna suggest that but then didn't because I worry about it propagating, or confusion over "the return value of it is now true but $x isn't...wtf" :)
21:32 masak right.
21:32 jnthn And because I don't really want to create a mixed-in string for every substitution.
21:32 jnthn Given that but is a clone.
21:32 masak nodnod
21:33 jnthn (yes, it'd re-use the string buffer, but still...)
21:33 masak honestly, I could live with the Str sometimes boolifying to false.
21:33 masak that might even come in handy once in a while.
21:33 jnthn True
21:33 masak while s/(.)$// { ... }
21:33 jnthn I can imagine use cases where that's actually nice.
21:34 jnthn Hmm. So maybe I don't really object to it returning the resulting string at all :)
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21:35 masak mberends! \o/
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21:38 tadzik mberends: o/
21:39 tadzik mberends: that may interest you: https://github.com/tadzik/B​ailador/blob/master/app.pl
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21:50 szabgab mberends: ping
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22:01 mberends szabgab: pong
22:02 mberends tadzik++: ooh! excitement!
22:03 tadzik mberends: even #dancers got a bit interested
22:03 mberends :-)
22:03 tadzik @franck | tadzik: I'm starting to write some code for http::server::simple
22:03 tadzik so mission complete :)
22:04 mberends hooray! there will be lots of LHF after the initial breakthrough.
22:04 tadzik I think so
22:04 tadzik IF it moves forward
22:04 tadzik I'd start from porting Dancer::Test
22:05 mberends yes, good plan (sorry for the pun)
22:05 tadzik oh, punny! So let's get it done()
22:05 mberends lol
22:06 mberends ok(1)
22:06 tadzik :D
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22:09 masak "let's get it done()" clearly has a better ring to it than "let's get it done_testing()"
22:09 tadzik :)
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22:27 tadzik 'night
22:27 diakopter nite
22:28 mberends o/
22:29 fuad mberends, hello bro!
22:30 mberends hi fuad, welcome back
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22:55 snarkyboojum phenny: tell tadzik, so in that case it might be worth moving your commands to --<command> switches? a la cpanm etc
22:55 phenny snarkyboojum: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around.
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23:02 szabgab mberends: FOSDEM?  Perl 6 talk?
23:06 szabgab mberends: I would like to finish the schedule of the Perl dev room at FOSDEM and I'd like to have at least one Perl 6 talk
23:07 szabgab I also would like to go to sleep now so I leave you with the URL: https://www.socialtext.net/perl​5/index.cgi?events_2011_fosdem
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23:12 mberends szabgab: if $work and $travel permits I'll be there, and am willing to talk. I think such a prominent event deserves some fresh presentation material, I could do with some input for that.
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: fac4f86 | jonathan++ | src/ (2 files):
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Pass name along to meta-object so classes know how they're called.
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/fac4f86680
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: cbd0747 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (3 files):
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Update bootstrap with recent changes.
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/cbd07472dc
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: ab3a2a5 | jonathan++ | / (3 files):
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Add a barebones NQPMu and make it the default base class for anything declared with NQPClassHOW.
23:13 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/ab3a2a53be
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23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: 5821a4c | jonathan++ | t/nqp/28-subclass.t:
23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Correct a test (also previously corrected in 6model repo copy of the test suite).
23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/5821a4cbe5
23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: 67bb846 | jonathan++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Switch the class package declarator to use 6model. There are a couple of regressions out of this. One is of multis, which I don't care about since they're getting re-done Real Soon Now. The other is the :vtable trait handling, which I'll fix at some point, but is low priority. At this point, just grammars are left using P6metaclass.
23:20 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/67bb846358
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23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: d357201 | jonathan++ | src/stage0/ (3 files):
23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Update bootstrap with class declarator using 6model, so class_6m elimination can start.
23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/d357201486
23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: 09ed288 | jonathan++ | src/ (7 files):
23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Remove usage of class_6m.
23:39 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/09ed2886fe
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23:53 dalek niecza: 507d055 | sorear++ | lib/CLRBackend.cs:
23:53 dalek niecza: Fix codegen bug on .NET with diakopter++ help
23:53 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/507d055b8f
23:53 dalek niecza: b891411 | sorear++ | v6/ (3 files):
23:53 dalek niecza: [v6] Error on missing modules, add build scripts
23:53 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niecza/commit/b891411853
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: f0b00d8 | jonathan++ | src/NQP/ (2 files):
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Remove last remains of class_6m from the grammar/actions.
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/f0b00d807f
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: 013ebe2 | jonathan++ | src/metamodel/how/NQPClassHOW.pm:
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: Publish type cache (pretty much directly taken from 6model/common).
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/013ebe2308
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: 80c8322 | jonathan++ | src/metamodel/how/NQPMu.pm:
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: A cheating NQPMu.ACCEPTS. Need multi-dispatch done to do the non-cheating version that we have in nqpclr. It's enough to reclaim a regressed test file, for now.
23:53 dalek nqp-rx/nom: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx/commit/80c8322b2b
23:53 diakopter wow
23:54 sorear me?
23:55 diakopter just the combined sudden rush
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