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sorear |
hi |
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shinobicl |
what can i do to solve this "compile time" issue? |
| 00:00 |
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shinobicl |
nom: role Counter [**@ranges] { has @.ranges; has @.values; method new(*@new_values) { die if @new_values.elems != @ranges.elems; self.bless(*, :@new_values);} }; class TimeofDay does Counter[0..23, 0..59]; |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Cannot use '0..23, 0..59' as an argument to a parametric role as its value is not known at compile time at line 1, near ";"current instr.: 'nqp;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 23510 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:6316) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:329)» |
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sorear |
shinobicl: not use parametric roles like that |
| 00:01 |
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shinobicl |
how should i use them? |
| 00:01 |
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shinobicl |
or is NYI? |
| 00:03 |
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sorear |
well, what you're seeing is a NYI error |
| 00:04 |
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sorear |
but that code is IMO very bad form |
| 00:04 |
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sorear |
so it's not likely to be made to work soon |
| 00:05 |
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sorear |
the normal way to get values into an object is by using constructor arguments |
| 00:05 |
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sorear |
not by constructing a special class with defaults |
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shinobicl |
i want to implement the "counter" behavoir in a role, that's why i use a class to specify the ranges. |
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shinobicl |
but the thing is, besides the class, how should i use the parametric roles? |
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sorear |
why? |
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shinobicl |
i saw this in a example here in this irc channel... i think the idea was to transform a "TimeOfDay" class into something more generic... i thought it was a good idea. The TimeOfDay class had just 3 'ranges', for hours, minutes and seconds. |
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sorear |
**@x was only added like last week |
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sorear |
if excessively abstracting a system causes problems, I think the sensible thing to do is to not excessively abstract it |
| 00:13 |
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shinobicl |
just in time to try to implement it, then :). The example i saw only had an array of upper limits, like this: role Counter[**@maxvalues] |
| 00:13 |
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sorear |
parametric roles are a dark corner of Perl 6 semantics. don't go there unless you have a legitimate reason to be creating families of classes |
| 00:13 |
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shinobicl |
oh yes, i know :) I'm not planning to use it on a system of library. I just want to see what can i do with perl6 roles :) |
| 00:14 |
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shinobicl |
mmm i see,.,. i'll wait some months then untile they are more mature |
| 00:17 |
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sorear |
parametric roles are quite mature - for arguments that are classes |
| 00:17 |
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sorear |
that's what they're most designed for |
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sorear |
generic collections |
| 00:17 |
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sorear |
tbh I think someone just added "oh and they can do values too!" as an afterthought |
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sorear |
also, by bindng 0..23, 0..59 to a **@ranges, you're shooting yourself in the foot in the long term |
| 00:18 |
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sorear |
** coerces elements to List, I think |
| 00:19 |
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sorear |
whereas you need the values to stay Range so that you can take advantage of the Range structure |
| 00:24 |
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shinobicl |
The idea was not only to use Ranges, but any list for specifying a counter range |
| 00:25 |
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shinobicl |
example: TimeOfDay does Counter[0..11,0..59,0..59,<AM PM>]; |
| 00:25 |
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shinobicl |
but was only an experiment |
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sorear |
ok. |
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sorear |
well for now I suggest using master |
| 00:30 |
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sorear |
this will be a nom regression |
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shinobicl |
master? |
| 00:30 |
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sorear |
don't use the nom branch |
| 00:30 |
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sorear |
just checkout rakudo |
| 00:30 |
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shinobicl |
ahh ok, you mean the "**" ? |
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sorear |
no, I mean the using computed values in roles |
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sorear |
if you don't know what master is, you shouldn't be using nom |
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sorear |
do you have an installed copy of rakudo? |
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shinobicl |
ok. i always use rakudo, i just wanted to test ** |
| 00:31 |
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shinobicl |
yes, the april version |
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sorear |
nom needs the arguments to roles to be literals |
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sorear |
this will be fixed in ctmo |
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sorear |
but that's internal development stuff |
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shinobicl |
by chance... do you know if '**' will be in the next release of rakudo? |
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sorear |
it won't be |
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sorear |
very unlikely |
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sorear |
nom's still at least a month away from being releasable |
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shinobicl |
hi... how to show '1' as '01' ? |
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sorear |
.fmt('%02d') |
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shinobicl |
thanks :) |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: ed26e45 | pmichaud++ | / (4 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: An initial implementation of $*ARGFILES and lines(). |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/ed26e45aea |
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dalek |
nqp: b5f2c5d | pmichaud++ | src/HLL/Compiler.pm: |
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dalek |
nqp: -e option to HLL::Compiler needs to pass an arg0. |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b5f2c5dc7f |
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moritz |
\o |
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moritz |
pmichaud: did you see the regex bug in the backlog? |
| 06:31 |
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pmichaud |
which regex bug? the one for arrays? |
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phenny |
pmichaud: 24 Jul 12:17Z <moritz> tell pmichaud that m:s// now works in nom, but not :sigspace -- is that something you want to fix on the qregex level, or should I do it in nom (as best as I can)? |
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moritz |
nom: 'a' ~~ /<.upper>/; say $/.Bool; say $/.to; say $/.from |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Bool::True00» |
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moritz |
nom: 'A' ~~ /<.upper>/; say $/.Bool; say $/.to; say $/.from |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Bool::True10» |
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pmichaud |
there will be a fix of some sort at the qregex level. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: ad0bb3f | pmichaud++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Bump NQP_REVISION to get -e argument handling fix. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/ad0bb3ffd5 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 953c714 | pmichaud++ | src/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Clean up $*ARGFILES, .lines, .eof, and .get. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/953c7146f8 |
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pmichaud |
I'm still thinking about whether or not we can return the type object to indicate a failed match. I'm guessing that probably has a few holes in it. |
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pmichaud |
anyway, time for sleep here -- will fix the regex bug after sleep |
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moritz |
good night |
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scottjl |
Hi all. I'm trying out perl6... after a git clone, during perl congifure.pl --gen-parrot, I get a "Can't locate Test/Harness.pm in @INC" |
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scottjl |
Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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moritz |
scottjl: then your perl installation is broken or incomplete. Test::Harness is a core module since perl 5.0 |
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moritz |
scottjl: what kind of system is that? |
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moritz |
operating system, perl version |
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moritz |
(for example on debian you need to install the perl-modules package to get all perl core modules) |
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scottjl |
fedore f14 upgraded to f15. perl --version is v5.12.4 |
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moritz |
then please check if there's a 'perl-modules' package or something of a similar name |
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BinGOs |
it might be 'perl-dev' |
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moritz |
wouldn't that be header files? |
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BinGOs |
You'd think wouldn't you. |
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moritz |
I would :-) |
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scottjl |
Thank you moritz. Fixed with "yum install perl-Test-Harness". |
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BinGOs |
http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/[…]v2008.1.i586.html |
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BinGOs |
For example |
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moritz |
they really put core modules into separate packages and not install them by default? that's kinda... scary |
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BinGOs |
Oh it requires perl-Test-Harness |
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moritz |
seems that it's a meta package that pulls in the core modules |
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moritz |
that factoring might make it easier to upgrade a core module |
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BinGOs |
It's easy to upgrade a 'core' module right now. |
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* moritz |
just uses perlbrew with a sufficiently new perl :-) |
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BinGOs |
I've not been that familiar with Redhat-esque systems, but have had to get up to speed with them in the past week or so. |
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BinGOs |
I've managed to just use Debian/Ubuntu etc until now. |
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arnsholt |
moritz: Ubuntu doesn't come with perldoc, annoyingly |
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same with debian, needs perl-doc installed |
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arnsholt |
Right. It's really strange. Especially since the documentation is in the source code anyways >.< |
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moritz |
if I were to write a matrix of feature comparison for different Perl 6 compiler, what software could I use to generate them? |
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moritz |
nom: my @x = (1, 2, 3); @x[0] := my $x; $x = 8; say @x |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Cannot use bind operator with this LHS at line 1, near " my $x; $x"current instr.: 'nqp;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 23510 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:6316) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:329)» |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 512670d | moritz++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: enable ro-accessors for natively typed attributes |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/512670db52 |
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moritz |
nom: say (* + 2).(5) |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«7» |
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moritz |
nom: say (* + 2).WHAT |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«_block1014» |
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daxim |
.WHAT # .oO(this value is unacceptable, it's an outrage!) |
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moritz |
https://github.com/perl6/features |
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daxim |
rm Rakudo (branch master) |
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daxim |
rm Rakudo (branch nom) |
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daxim |
↑ typo |
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sbp |
moritz: + means has feature, - means doesn't have feature, and missing entry indicates not tested? |
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moritz |
sbp: missing entry = no data available |
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moritz |
and rm+- means "rakudo master partially implements it" |
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moritz |
optionally with notes in parenthesis |
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moritz |
Zip: rm+- (only for two lists) |
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moritz |
daxim: thanks, fixing |
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moritz |
eventually somebody could automatically derive most of that data by associating features with test files, and smoking the compilers |
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moritz |
but that's so much work that I don't see that happening in the next few weeks |
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dalek |
features: 7eee291 | moritz++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: typo noticed by daxim++ |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/7eee29176a |
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moritz |
is anybody interested in writing a script that turns that file into a HTML table? |
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moritz |
nom: sub f(::T $x) { say $x.WHAT }; f 12 |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Int()» |
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moritz |
perl6: sub f(::T $x) { say $x.WHAT }; f 12 |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Name component T not found in ::GLOBAL at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 570 (CORE die @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/Metamodel.pm6 line 146 (Metamodel Namespace.get_pkg @ 22)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/Metamode… |
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p6eval |
..pugs: OUTPUT«Int» |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«Int()» |
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moritz |
perl6: sub f($x as Int) { say $x.WHAT }; f "12" |
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pugs: OUTPUT«***  Unexpected "as" expecting "?", "!", trait, "=", default value, "-->" or ")" at /tmp/5Tr5lfJcqc line 1, column 10» |
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..niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mAction method trait_mod:as not yet implemented at /tmp/gfPOJnUoLz line 1:------> sub f($x as Int⏏) { say $x.WHAT }; f "12"Unhandled exception: Cannot use hash access on an object of type Str at /home/p… |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«Int()» |
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moritz |
niecza: sub f(**@x) { say @x.perl }; my @a = 1, 2; my @b = 4, 5; f @a, @b |
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niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mSlice parameters NYI at /tmp/YfF4mADPTU line 1:------> sub f(**@x⏏) { say @x.perl }; my @a = 1, 2; my @b =Unhandled exception: Check failed at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 570 (CORE … |
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dalek |
features: 795a430 | moritz++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: add more data points |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/795a430e45 |
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dalek |
features: 569fb82 | moritz++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: fix a few typos |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/569fb8251b |
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kthakore_ |
hello |
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moritz |
hi kthakore_ |
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kthakore_ |
Su-Shee: ping? Before I left for India you mentioned there are some resources for making perl6 modules, what are thouse again? |
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kthakore_ |
hi moritz |
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kthakore_ |
those* |
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Su-Shee |
kthakore_: I have no idea? Sure it was me? |
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kthakore_ |
... yeah |
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kthakore_ |
I have logs |
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kthakore_ |
I was talking about how I failed at Parrot dev and suck at language/compiler coding |
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moritz |
kthakore_: all the links are on modules.perl6.org, iirc |
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Su-Shee |
then I don't remember what I answered, I don't recall. |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: oh Su-Shee mentioned some other stuff .. I guess I can just peruse logs again |
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kthakore_ |
I prolly should have done that from the start. Sorry for wasting time. |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: The link you gave me doesn't help me with handling C deps and installation |
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kthakore_ |
I have to check for SDL install and/or install it |
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moritz |
I don't think there's much support for that in Perl 6 land |
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moritz |
qx// and parsing the output maybe |
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kthakore_ |
ah ... ok |
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* [Coke] |
wonders why facebook shows him as ... The Perl Foundation |
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* kthakore_ |
is stuck |
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kthakore_ |
[Coke]: Cause you are TPF ... all of it! |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: how can I do this? In perl5 we have modules that search PATH and stuff for this. Also XSLoader allows us to preload libraries from sharedirs. |
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kthakore_ |
Maybe for now I can keep the SDL 1.3 code with the module, but how to compile that stuff on varying machines? |
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moritz |
well, you can search %*ENV<PATH> too |
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moritz |
rakudo: say %*ENV<PATH> |
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p6eval |
rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«/home/p6eval/rakudo/parrot:/home/p6eval/perl5/perlbrew/bin:/home/p6eval/rakudo/parrot:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games» |
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moritz |
kthakore_: and there's zavolaj/NativeCall.pm for calling C functions |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: yeah those are clashing with the differing versions of parrot |
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kthakore_ |
it didn't work with parrot 3.5 for me. |
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moritz |
I know :( |
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kthakore_ |
oh ... |
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kthakore_ |
Hmm maybe if I start making a list of issues and just keep buggin for help |
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moritz |
they need fixing, or you need to use older versions |
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kthakore_ |
right ... that just adds way too much on my plate |
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kthakore_ |
that means I would have to kickstart NativeCall, Alien::SDL and SDL6. Then testing ... and ... phew |
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moritz |
well, you're a pioneer |
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kthakore_ |
I am gonna start with making a list |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: yeah I have been here before ( SDL in p5p ) |
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kthakore_ |
having NativeCall would make my life alot easier tough |
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kthakore_ |
a parser for C header files to Native Call might be a good idea |
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masak |
popping in because I just realized something. |
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* moritz |
waits for a big revelation |
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masak |
(sorry, mandatory keyboard break software kicked in) :) |
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masak |
if https://github.com/perl6/specs[…]976c08d361054ea05 is now the case... |
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masak |
...then the subs at https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]ster/Test.pm#L176 are wrongly named. |
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kthakore_ |
moritz: this is what I thinking of doing https://github.com/PerlGameDev/SDL6/wiki |
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moritz |
masak: no, actually they are named correctly now |
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moritz |
masak: before, and eval() would never die... now it can |
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masak |
moritz: huh? the mechanism is clearly meant to wrap around things to catch exceptions. hence, it should be named 'try_', not 'eval_' |
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flussence |
does that mean there's a way to test for the presence of a warn() now? |
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moritz |
masak: eval_dies_ok actually does an eval |
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masak |
I know, and that's wrong now. |
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moritz |
no. |
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masak |
it should do a try. |
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moritz |
it should do a try and an eval. |
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masak |
oh, ok. |
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masak |
yes, I see now. |
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moritz |
but the try{} is really just an internal detail |
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moritz |
like it is in lives_ok |
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masak |
right. |
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masak |
ok, so false alarm. :) no renaming necessary. |
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masak |
see y'all tonight. o/ |
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moritz |
\o |
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kthakore_ |
I guess I am wasting time just yapping. thanks for the help. |
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pmichaud |
good morning #perl6 |
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colomon |
o/ |
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domidumont |
hi |
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moritz |
\o |
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domidumont |
BTW, this has been long overdue: Rakudo is now available on Debian/unstable (I've ironed out the last issues this week end) |
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moritz |
domidumont++ # that's great! |
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pmichaud |
domidumont: I tried looking through the debian sites to find the details and couldn'g find them |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: here's rakudo package page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rakudo.html |
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domidumont |
more details are on: http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ |
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domidumont |
Debian pkg-rakudo team is on Alioth: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-rakudo/ |
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takadonet |
http://www.reddit.com/r/perl6/[…]ilable_on_debian/ :) |
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domidumont |
ok, this team is currently made of 2 people which is admitedly not much :-p |
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pmichaud |
domidumont: is the package just the compiler, or is it packaging rakudo star? |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: We packaged rakudo-star tarball |
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pmichaud |
excellent. there's a new tarball coming out tomorrow. |
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domidumont |
Does it depend on new parrot (3.6.0) or is 3.3.0 good enough ? |
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pmichaud |
it uses the new parrot |
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domidumont |
ok, then a parrot package update is required. |
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pmichaud |
3.3.0 had... issues (mainly with speed and gc) |
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domidumont |
Updating parrot may take some time ... |
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pmichaud |
okay. I'd probably recommend using rakudo star 2011.01 instead, then, it's a fair bit faster. |
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pmichaud |
2011.04 isn't really the optimal release to be using. |
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* moritz |
wouldn't mind if it took a bit |
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domidumont |
Hmm, we don't have a package for 2011.01 and releasing an older version of rakudo may raise some eyebrows |
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pmichaud |
I agree, I'd be in favor of waiting for parrot-3.6.0 to be packaged. |
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domidumont |
Well, I can work on the package, but there are some organisational issues with debian-parrot-team to work out... |
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domidumont |
I mean I can work on parrot package. (I did most of the packaging work for parrot 3.3.0) |
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pmichaud |
the new versions of star coming out over the next few months all will depend on 3.6.0 also. |
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domidumont |
I'm all for updating parrot |
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pmichaud |
should I join the packaging team, ooc? I've been meaning to get involved in debian packaging |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: no problem. The more, the merrier :-) |
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domidumont |
BTW, since you |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: BTW, since you're also admin for parrot team, could you approve my request to join parrot team with my new DD account (dod) and remove my old account (ddumont-guest) ? |
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pmichaud |
parrot team.... where? |
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moritz |
github? |
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pmichaud |
on github? |
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domidumont |
on Alioth |
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[Coke] |
O_o |
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domidumont |
Hmm, sorry, I got confused, you're not admin, just member: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-parrot/ |
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pmichaud |
right... didn't think I was an admin there |
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domidumont |
and I've just seen that my account was updated. Sorry about the noise |
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domidumont |
ok. I'll work on updating parrot. OTOH, I'll be on vacation soon, so it may take a while |
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pmichaud |
domidumont: okay. maybe I can get some of the other parrot team members to do an update. |
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pmichaud |
I just requested to join pkg-rakudo |
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domidumont |
what role do you want ? |
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moritz |
.oO( world domination ) |
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pmichaud |
admin seems appropriate, but I'm a newb on debian packaging so whatever role you think is appropriate is fine for now :) |
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domidumont |
:-) |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: welcome aboard, you're admin. |
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domidumont |
For me, admin role does not require packaging skills. Just common sense and good communication and some availability to answer questions :-p |
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pmichaud |
domidumont++ # thanks |
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domidumont |
pmichaud: you're welcome :-) |
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eiro |
domidumont++ |
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eiro |
hello world |
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pmichaud |
and yes, domidumont++ for the packaging. I was just at FOSSCON this past weekend and my talk lamented that we didn't have a rakudo debian package yet... now I can say that we do. :-) |
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domidumont |
Excellent :-D |
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domidumont |
We also have to thanks ghedo (Alessandro Ghedini) for rakudo packaging, he did a lot of work too |
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moritz |
ghedo++ then :-) |
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domidumont |
Indeed :-) |
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dalek |
features: 7701afe | moritz++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
features: basic processing script |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/7701afee27 |
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moritz |
http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/features.html |
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moritz |
it's really ugly right now, but I hope somebody with CSS skills can fix that for us :-) |
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pmichaud |
moritz++ |
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pmichaud |
do we have a canonical place for the page itself to live? |
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pmichaud |
or is that still being worked out? |
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moritz |
I want to put it somewhere on perl6.org, if nobody objects |
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pmichaud |
+1 |
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pmichaud |
forgiveness > permission |
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moritz |
perl6.org/compilers/features or so |
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pmichaud |
would love to have a way to add footnotes to that page (Yes, I know, "patches welcome!" :-) |
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moritz |
pmichaud: footnotes are already in the source file |
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moritz |
pmichaud: please reload, just reduced the amount of text a bit :-) |
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pmichaud |
I see them in the source file... but now features.html isn't displaying correctly :) |
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moritz |
pmichaud: what's wrong? |
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pmichaud |
all I see are '+' and '+-' in the table cells |
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moritz |
and colors, hopefully? |
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pmichaud |
yes, and colors |
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pmichaud |
oh, I see, that's the new label. |
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pmichaud |
hmmmm. |
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moritz |
that's intended |
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pmichaud |
they're a little hard to see |
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moritz |
maybe I should put the legend box near the top |
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moritz |
and with colors |
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pmichaud |
might help if the columns were equal-width, too. |
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pmichaud |
and maybe center the +/- |
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dalek |
nqp: dc942fb | pmichaud++ | src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp: Have !cursor_start create failing cursors by default. Fixes problem with default alpha/alnum/upper/etc. rules not failing properly (moritz++). |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/dc942fb3a0 |
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[Coke] |
(css skills) which now? |
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[Coke] |
oh, features.html? Sure, I can take a look. |
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[Coke] |
Is there a repo it's in? |
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pmichaud |
perl6/features |
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moritz |
there it's generated from template.html and process.pl (needs HTML::Template::Compiled) |
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dalek |
features: 9e8d0db | moritz++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
features: some small tweaks; center-align +/-, pmichaud++ |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/9e8d0db8de |
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moritz |
ok, I'll stop touching it, [Coke]++'s turn :-) |
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dalek |
features: 46bde8a | pmichaud++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: Some features updates, corrections. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/46bde8a59b |
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pmichaud |
why is rakudo listed with a '-' for conjunctions, ooc? |
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pmichaud |
(in Regexes) |
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moritz |
rakudo: say 'abc' ~~ /\w+ & .+/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«abc» |
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moritz |
pmichaud: because I didn't know :-) |
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pmichaud |
nom: say 'abc' ~~ /\w+ & .+/ |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«abc» |
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moritz |
\o/ |
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pmichaud |
nom: say 'abc' ~~ /\w+ & .**2/ |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«ab» |
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moritz |
niecza: say 'abc' ~~ /\w+ & .**2/ |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in class Any at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NieczaActions.pm6 line 274 (NieczaActions NieczaActions.op_for_regex @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NieczaActions.pm6 line 290 (NieczaActions NieczaActions.qu… |
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moritz |
niecza: say 'abc' ~~ /\w+ & .*/ |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in class Any at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NieczaActions.pm6 line 274 (NieczaActions NieczaActions.op_for_regex @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/NieczaActions.pm6 line 290 (NieczaActions NieczaActions.qu… |
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dalek |
features: f255ab6 | moritz++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: update regex conjunction, pmichaud++ |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/f255ab6843 |
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* moritz |
counts that as a - |
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pmichaud |
nom: say 'abc' ~~ / <[bc]>+ / |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«bc» |
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moritz |
nom: say so "a\tb" ~~ / <[\t]> / |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Bool::False» |
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pmichaud |
correct, we still don't do \-escapes in <[...]> yet. |
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moritz |
I wonder if we should <:alpha> as char classes or unicode properties |
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pmichaud |
unicode properties. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 3c8f0b6 | pmichaud++ | src/Perl6/Compiler.nqp: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Fix bug in interactive mode introduced by @*ARGS changes. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/3c8f0b6044 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: d973a42 | pmichaud++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Bump NQP_REVISION to get alpha/alnum/digit/etc. fixes. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/d973a42f8a |
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moritz |
niecza: say 'a' ~~ /<:Letter>/ |
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niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mAction method assertion:sym<:> not yet implemented at /tmp/Y3iLKMoGsX line 1:------> say 'a' ~~ /<:Letter⏏>/Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in class Str at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/… |
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dalek |
features: c37acce | moritz++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: add Unicode properties |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/c37acce97d |
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nom: $_ = 'a'; say so m:c(10)/<?alpha>/ |
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p6eval |
nom: OUTPUT«Rebuild in progress» |
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moritz |
is that also fixed with that nqp patch? |
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pmichaud |
I don't know if it is or not. |
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pmichaud |
> $_ = 'a'; say so m:c(10)/<?alpha>/ |
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pmichaud |
Bool::True |
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pmichaud |
looks like not |
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pmichaud |
need lunch here... I'll fix it after lunch. |
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dalek |
features: 17f43e8 | Coke++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
features: minor updates to xhtml/css. |
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dalek |
features: add unicode +/- symbol. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/17f43e8396 |
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[Coke] |
moritz: some updates. |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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dalek |
features: fa8c84a | Coke++ | template.html: |
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dalek |
features: Add rounded corners. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/fa8c84ad33 |
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dalek |
features: 8bc2ad0 | Coke++ | template.html: |
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dalek |
features: pick slightly more legible colors. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/8bc2ad0327 |
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[Coke] |
http://feather.perl6.nl/~coke/features.html |
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[Coke]++ |
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[Coke]++ except for the color chosen for not implemented. :) |
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hi, zebry. |
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dalek |
features: 8a260b4 | pmichaud++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: Fix typo, add entry for operators on natives. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/8a260b4d0f |
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masak |
moritz++ # feature comparison table |
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masak |
[Coke]++ # improvements |
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[Coke] |
PerlJam: I just picked a slightly less jarring red. you have an alternate suggestion? |
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PerlJam |
I liked the jarring red actually. Yours is just a tad too close to pink for me. |
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PerlJam |
But I'm just bikeshedding it, so ignore me. |
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dalek |
features: 3767f94 | masak++ | template.html: |
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dalek |
features: improved color scheme |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/3767f94380 |
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masak |
I'm just JFDI-ing, so ignore me :P |
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masak |
http://feather.perl6.nl/~masak/features.html |
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[Coke] |
yah, the orange is fine. |
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masak |
yellow on white is never a good idea IMHO. |
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masak |
(and bright cyan on white is almost as bad) |
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[Coke] |
masak: there was no yellow when i was done. |
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[Coke] |
I wouldn't call it bright cyan, but orange is fine. ;) |
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masak |
[Coke]: right. just giving my reasons for going with orange instead of yellow. :) |
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uvtc |
Wow. Had to pipe in -- that implemented features comparison table is great. |
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felher |
masak++ for blog post. I played and solved it. But not without look into the source. I just couldn't find the right words sometimes. :). But great adventure. And quite funny :D |
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masak |
felher: thank you. :) |
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masak |
felher: I'm very interested to hear which parts had you stumped, and which words you tried. |
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masak |
(they're probably fine, it's just that my imagination is limited) |
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pmichaud |
(features) I think the red is too strong/saturated. It tends to overpower the table. |
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felher |
masak: the hardest problem was guessing the names for the disks. What i tried was little, and big. After some movements the game suggested AC, AB and so on and i was glad to use that. :) |
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uvtc |
re. the feature comparison table: I think it would be easier to read if "unknown" cells were at least rendered light gray or something. |
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pmichaud |
it's fine in isolation ("Natively typed attributes"), but large blocks of red ("Regexes") are a bit jarring to my eyes |
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masak |
feel free to change it to #f44 or #f66. |
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masak |
felher: oh, nice! |
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masak |
felher: yes, it's a tricky problem to lead people into the right path there. |
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uvtc |
masak: re. the crypt, I had to look in the source to figure out how to move the disks around. It would be helpful if you gave a hint in the game to use the "ab", "ca"... commands. |
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masak |
uvtc: noted. |
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soh_cah_toa |
not that i have anything to do w/ this, but when i have to come up with a color scheme http://www.colorschemer.com/schemes/ has always been helpful |
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felher |
masak: Yeah. :) There was one more thing but i can't recall it at the moment. Maybe i get it later. |
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masak |
I agree with uvtc that missing cells should be pale gray. |
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uvtc |
At http://perl6.org/compilers/ the link to Rakudo's status http://rakudo.org/status is broken. |
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pops out of nowhere |
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masak |
tadzik! \o/ |
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tadzik |
empty fields on the features page mean "unknown"? |
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tadzik |
masak: o/ |
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tadzik |
I has a computer, but it's less than fast, I may give it some love today and maybe it'll get a bit better |
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tadzik |
laptop fixing mission failed, today. "Oh Lenovo? We don't fix those anymore, yes, the official site lies" |
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masak |
does anyone want to submit https://github.com/masak/crypt to HN and/or Reddit? :) |
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tadzik |
Will try tomorrow |
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uvtc |
masak: about how long does it take crypt to start up on your system? |
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soh_cah_toa |
masak: a text adventure game, nice. i remembering writing those in qbasic :) |
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soh_cah_toa |
i have to try this out |
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uvtc |
On my system (fairly modern laptop, R* 2011.04) it takes roughly 15 s. |
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[Coke] |
tadzik: yah. |
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[Coke] |
ENODATA. |
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masak |
uvtc: takes 66 s here on my Ubuntu VM. |
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soh_cah_toa |
masak: http://digg.com/news/technolog[…]re_game_in_perl_6 |
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uvtc |
masak: that's a big twinkie. |
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masak |
soh_cah_toa++ # \o/ |
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uvtc |
masak: Is most of that time spent compiling crypt.pl into a form that Parrot can run? |
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tadzik |
I suppose so |
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uvtc |
Is there a way to pre-compile the file? |
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tadzik |
I suppose so |
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tadzik |
try perl6 --target=pir file.pl > file.pir |
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tadzik |
then parrot file.pir |
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tadzik |
or parrot -o pbc file.pbc file.pir; parrot file.pbc |
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tadzik |
to go full hardcore^Wbytecode :) |
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masak |
IIUC, the speed gain for running the .pbc rather than the .pir isn't that great. |
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masak |
but .pir rather than .pl will surely speed things up, circumventing the parsing which is the heavy step. |
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uvtc |
Running `perl6 crypt.pl` took 15 s to start up. Compiling it using `perl6 --target=pir crypt.pl > crypt.pir` took about the same amount of time. |
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tadzik |
and running |
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uvtc |
Running that file via `parrot crypt.pir` started the game fairly quickly (a couple of seconds) but then died. |
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pmichaud |
I suspect precompiling stuff still doesn't work very well... there's a lot of startup stuff that gets missed. |
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uvtc |
tadzik: Thanks, tadzik++ |
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uvtc |
pmichaud: If crypt gets some attention, my guess is that people will howl at how long it takes to start up. Would be nice if precompiling worked smoothly. |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: I agree, it would be nice. :) |
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pmichaud |
just because it would be nice doesn't make it easy. :) |
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pmichaud |
it's very challenging to get precompiled stuff to work properly (more) |
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pmichaud |
in the case where we compile the source, the compiler is loaded and initialized and *then* we start compiling. |
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pmichaud |
In the case where we start from a pre-compiled .pir file, the .pir file gets loaded and then *it* has to load the compiler and make sure any initializations get run properly. |
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pmichaud |
http://pmichaud.com/sandbox/features.html # toned down the red slightly, added grab boxes for the empty spaces |
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pmichaud |
*grey |
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uvtc |
pmichaud: thanks for the info. Also, feature table colors look nice. I like the orange. |
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masak |
pmichaud: the red looks nice. the grey is almost invisible on my screen, though. |
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masak |
(and the contrast with the white question mark inside of it is too small) |
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pmichaud |
well, I wanted the grey to be very subdued. I can make it less so. |
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pmichaud |
reload, now at #aaa |
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masak |
better. maybe the question mark should be #666 or something. |
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pmichaud |
I think that calls too much attention to the question mark, personally. |
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uvtc |
masak: the question-mark of the beast |
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pmichaud |
maybe there shouldn't be a question mark. :) |
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pmichaud |
maybe I'll use #aaa for the question mark :) |
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uvtc |
pmichaud: the ± looks too dark |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: I agree -- now switched to #333 |
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dalek |
features: 79b0910 | pmichaud++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
features: Add placeholders for unknown entries, tone down colors a bit. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/79b0910f1e |
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[Coke] |
nom: my $notFish; $notFish.++; |
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nom: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &postfix:<.>current instr.: '_block1002' pc 77 ((file unknown):63250011) (/tmp/h0bN7qZP6W:1)» |
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rakudo: my $a; $a.++; say "alive" |
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rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«Could not find sub &postfix:<.> in main program body at line 22:/tmp/LYLdHHj5Nc» |
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nqp: 4fb5124 | pmichaud++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp: Avoid vtable_bool for determining whether subrule passed/failed. |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4fb512421c |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: 6a45ccb | moritz++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: try to make nom installable |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: This is... wrong. It installs rakudo's pbcs into the general parrot install |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: location, because I can't figure out where the pbcs are actually loaded, and |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: how. On the plus side it gives us an idea what files need to be installed. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: It gets us so far that we can actually run the perl6 binary from outside the |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: installation path, but using an Int literal results in "Could not locate |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: compile-time value for symbol Int" |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom-install: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/6a45ccbae0 |
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[Coke] |
moritz: if you want to know where to install PBC, there's a parrot-config setting that should tell you. (or so I think) |
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moritz |
[Coke]: I know where I *can* install PBC to, but that's not where it *should* be installed to |
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pmichaud |
where do the NQP .pbcs get installed to? |
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moritz |
into the same global location that nom-install installs its pbcs |
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moritz |
ie install/lib/parrot/3.6.0-devel/library/ |
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pmichaud |
I'm willing to live with that for now. |
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moritz |
ok, then the main problem is that it doesn't work when I use literals |
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[Coke] |
moritz: I don't see a single flag, but "parrot_config prefix versiondir" should get you really close. |
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pmichaud |
[Coke]: in my experience, the problem isn't so much figuring out where to put them as figuring out how to load them on the other side |
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[Coke] |
hokay. |
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pmichaud |
iwbni we could take all of the .pbc's and pbc_merge them into a single .pbc, though. |
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pmichaud |
I don't think that PERL6_ML_PBC should appear in both LIBDIR and LIBDIR/blib |
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moritz |
yep, should probably only the the latter |
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pmichaud |
actually I don't think there should be a LIBDIR/blib |
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pmichaud |
blib is where we put stuff while building... but after building, there shouldn't be a blib |
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pmichaud |
(or more accurately, the "built" versions shouldn't need a blib) |
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moritz |
the problem is that Perl6::SymbolTable.load_setting hard-codes the path |
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moritz |
to ModuleLoader.pbc |
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moritz |
because.... the logic for module loading is in ModuleLoader |
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moritz |
and we get away with that either in the setting or in the installed location |
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moritz |
the problem is really that we have different layouts in install and build dirs |
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moritz |
maybe we should build everything in blib/ in the source dir |
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pmichaud |
I think we run into circularity/bootstrap issues there. |
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moritz |
do we? we can add a library path at the command line, I think |
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pmichaud |
yesterday while working on @*ARGS it also bugged me that we call load_bytecode so many times for the same file. |
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pmichaud |
maybe that was in nqp, though. |
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I thikn I want to experiment with "everything in blib/" a bit |
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pmichaud |
seems like each ModuleLoader should be smart enough to know where to look for its modules |
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pmichaud |
by default it should look in the appropriate parrot language install directory, unless directed (by command line option) to look elsewhere. |
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pmichaud |
so, Perl6::ModuleLoader should look in install/lib/parrot/<version>/languages/perl6 |
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pmichaud |
oh, there's a bunch of ickiness there, though |
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pmichaud |
because a lot of the modules are being loaded by nqp's ModuleLoader |
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moritz |
including Perl6::ModuleLoader |
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pmichaud |
only the core setting gets loaded by Perl6::ModuleLoader |
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moritz |
but Perl6::ModuleLoader gets loaded by nqp's ModuleLoader, no? |
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moritz |
hm, not sure |
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pmichaud |
no |
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pmichaud |
it's loaded by load_bytecode |
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pmichaud |
load_bytecode "blib/Perl6/ModuleLoader.pbc" |
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moritz |
ah right, we've talked about that before :-) |
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moritz |
this is frustrating, now I get "Cannot fetch object from non-existant serialization context 1311615152.93596" |
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moritz |
that's something I don't know how to debug |
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pmichaud |
I suspect this is all something that really wants jnthn++ presence to resolve (more) |
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moritz |
aye, I fear so :/ |
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pmichaud |
I can certainly come up with something that "works", but I think some of the current structure is also due to portability concerns |
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pmichaud |
and there are several startup-ish issues we need to resolve as well... such as dealing with @*ARGS in precompiled modules |
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pmichaud |
er, precompiled programs. |
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moritz |
phenny: tell sorear about http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/features generated from https://github.com/perl6/features/ - please review it and add missing information about niecza before I put up that page on perl6.org somewhere |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when sorear is around. |
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pmichaud |
> $_ = 'a'; say so m:c(10)/<?alpha>/ |
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pmichaud |
Bool::False |
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moritz |
\o/ |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 91d7ab5 | pmichaud++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Bump NQP_REVISION to get cursor boolean fixes. (moritz++) |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/91d7ab5ffd |
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[Coke] |
pbc_merge should be ok to use these days, pmichaud. |
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masak |
so far, Niecza and Rakudo appear quite evenly matched in the features table. |
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flussence |
nom: infix:<½>($a, $b) { ($a + $b) / 2 }; say 4 ½ 3; |
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nom: OUTPUT«Confused at line 1, near "infix:<\x{bd}>("current instr.: 'nqp;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 23510 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:6316) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:329)» |
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flussence |
looks like you can fill in 'Defining new operators' there...? |
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flussence |
rakudo: infix:<½>($a, $b) { ($a + $b) / 2 }; say 4 ½ 3; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confused at line 22, near "infix:<\x{bd}>("» |
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flussence |
oh |
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flussence |
unless I'm being stupid somewhere again :) |
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flussence |
rakudo: sub infix:<½>($a, $b) { ($a + $b) / 2 }; say 4 ½ 3; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 922500: OUTPUT«3.5» |
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flussence |
nom: sub infix:<½>($a, $b) { ($a + $b) / 2 }; say 4 ½ 3; |
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nom: OUTPUT«Confused at line 1, near "say 4 \x{bd} 3;"current instr.: 'nqp;HLL;Grammar;panic' pc 23510 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:6316) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:329)» |
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flussence |
(that page looks much nicer than it did a few hours ago, btw!) |
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masak |
crowdsourcing++ |
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flussence |
and (I'm not trying to take all the fun for myself, honest) "is rw", "is copy", "@a».say" and "proto sub" all work in niecza :) |
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niecza: sub xyz($a is copy) { $a++; say $a }; xyz(3); |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«4» |
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pmichaud |
niecza: sub xyz($a is copy) { $a++; say $a }; my $b = 3; xyz($b); say $b; |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«43» |
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pmichaud |
niecza: sub xyz($a) { $a++; say $a }; my $b = 3; xyz($b); say $b; |
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niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Writing to readonly scalar at /tmp/FCQbLF6BZc line 0 (MAIN xyz @ 0)  at /tmp/FCQbLF6BZc line 1 (MAIN mainline @ 1)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1933 (CORE C906_ANON @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting … |
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pmichaud |
niecza: sub xyz($a is rw) { $a++; say $a }; my $b = 3; xyz($b); say $b; |
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masak |
\o/ |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«44» |
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pmichaud |
looks good to me! |
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pmichaud |
fwiw, I think that @a».say is a meme we need to kill. |
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pmichaud |
niecza: my @a = <the quick brown fox>; say @a».flip |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«ehtkciuqnworbxof» |
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masak |
pmichaud: what made you think of @a».say ? |
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masak |
oh, flussence mentioned it. |
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pmichaud |
19:44 <flussence> and (I'm not trying to take all the fun for myself, honest) "is rw", "is copy", "@a».say" and "proto sub" all work in niecza |
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masak |
aye. |
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flussence |
I know what he means, it's semantically wrong |
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pmichaud |
in nom I'm going to make sure that hyper (methods) do things out-of-sequence. |
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masak |
good. |
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pmichaud |
niecza: my @a = <the quick brown fox>; say @a »~» 'x'; |
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p6eval |
niecza v7-44-g54b5188: OUTPUT«thexquickxbrownxfoxx» |
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dalek |
features: 965b89e | pmichaud++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: More features as noted by flussence++ on #perl6. |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/965b89e54e |
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[Coke] |
is http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/features.html being updated with the changes? |
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[Coke]: I'm updating it right now |
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moritz |
[Coke]: but it's not the final/permanent URL |
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[Coke] |
something off perlcabal, perhaps? |
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perl6.org |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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sorear: 19:26Z <moritz> tell sorear about http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/features generated from https://github.com/perl6/features/ - please review it and add missing information about niecza before I put up that page on perl6.org somewhere |
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masak |
evenin', sorear. |
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sorear |
o/ masak |
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sorear |
well it's the last monday of the month again |
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masak |
yay |
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sorear |
I'll need to cut a niecza release, though playing with J has meant I didn't get to everything I planned |
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sorear |
well there's always Aug |
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pmichaud |
only one more Monday before financial doomsday strikes the U.S. :) |
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masak |
sorear: Håkan told me to mention K and Kona to you ;) |
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sorear |
Is Håkan hakank? |
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masak |
aye. |
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masak |
he's not on IRC, so I have to speak for him. |
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sorear |
heh. Would he prefer me to join some forum of his choice? |
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masak |
he seems to like email. :) |
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sorear |
heh. well he has my address |
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sorear |
->backlog |
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[Coke] |
pmichaud: I thought the debt ceiling didn't explode until 02AUG |
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sorear |
back |
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sorear |
pmichaud: hmm. do you think the debt ceiling will adversely impact my ability to release niecza v9? |
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sorear |
moritz: Should I just correct and push to https://github.com/perl6/features/ ? |
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diakopter |
heh |
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sorear: sure |
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masak |
"Niecza v8" sounds like it would have something to do with JavaScript. :) |
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masak |
blog post! http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]the-june-blogging |
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moritz |
masak++ |
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dalek |
features: a3b3dc7 | moritz++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
features: add output filename option to script; expand README |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/a3b3dc7875 |
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dalek |
features: dddcf99 | moritz++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
features: implement footnote display - more work for [Coke]++ and other CSS gurus |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/dddcf99bfd |
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felher |
masak++, just again. |
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thanks. |
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diakopter |
moritz: maybe the feature items could hyperlink to their corresponding Sxx descriptions |
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frettled |
masak++ :) |
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sorear |
hmm |
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sorear |
.u 177 |
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phenny |
sorear: Sorry, no results for '177'. |
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sorear |
.u U+B1 |
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phenny |
sorear: Sorry, no results |
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sorear |
ah, ± |
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20:44 <[Coke]> pmichaud: I thought the debt ceiling didn't explode until 02AUG |
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right. 01Aug is the "one more monday" before the ceiling caves in :) |
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reads the "blog post!" and enjoys it. |
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masak |
ok, there's now a PDF. it's 83 pages long. http://feather.perl6.nl/~masak/book.pdf |
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masak |
more exactly, there's now a build system in the adventure-game-book repository that takes the 30 chapters, converts them from Markdown to LaTeX, and then renders that as a PDF. |
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dalek |
features: 2540598 | sorear++ | features.txt: |
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dalek |
features: Add/tweak some entries for niecza |
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dalek |
features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/254059833a |
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masak |
'night, #perl6. |
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tadzik |
Rakudo compilation takes about 30 minutes on this machine. No way I'll do any gsoc on this :/ |
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looks at cpu prices |
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supernovus |
This may sound like a strange question, but is there anyway to reload a package once it's been called with "use" or "require" a first time. Say a long-running process and you've made changes to a class but don't want to have to restart the entire service? |
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[Coke] |
you can remove it from %INC and re-use it, I think (perl 5) |
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[Coke] |
(though I'd use 'do <file>' in that case.) |
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[Coke] |
evil: https://github.com/coke/tigerl[…]nsions/cj.pl#L657 (unloads) https://github.com/coke/tigerl[…]nsions/cj.pl#L267 (loads) |
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[Coke] |
... please don't make me rewrite my lily Bot in perl 6. |
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supernovus |
[Coke], thanks. Is there an equivilant to %INC in perl6? I can find @*INC but %*INC at least on rakudo master gives a "Contextual %*INC not found" error. |
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supernovus |
Hmm, and I'm thinking the biggest problem is going to be the dreaded "Illegal redeclaration of symbol 'ClassYouTriedToReload'" error. I think I'll just give on this and admit that changes to classes means restarting the daemon. Not optimal for a MOO/MUD but a necessary evil I guess. Only insane people try to write MOO engines in Perl 6... I blame Carl, it was his "crypt" game that inspired my latest bout of madness. |
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[Coke] |
you could just write it in MOO. :) |
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[Coke] |
(which, coincidentally, is what the aforementioned lily is written in) |
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[Coke] |
I'm not sure that's fully baked in p6 yet. |
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[Coke] |
there is a p5 module that does a better job of reloading rather than just stomping on already loaded code. (hurm.) |
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[Coke] |
Something like Module::Reload |
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supernovus |
I'll look into those, thanks :-) |
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