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felher |
night folks |
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tadzik |
'night |
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colomon |
o/ |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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tadzik |
hello sorear |
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[Coke] |
(cookies) I can sell any of you fine folks girl scout cookies on behalf of my daughters! |
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colomon |
oooo, Tagalongs..... drool.... |
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sorear |
? |
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[Coke] |
kind of girl scout cookie. chocolate shell, peanut butter filling |
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[Coke] |
only <mumble> dollars a box! |
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colomon |
it's not the dollars that get you, it's the calories... |
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[Coke] |
it's worse when your wife is the cookie mom. We're drowning in boxes here. |
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* [Coke] |
accidentally opens up a box of samoas. |
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japhb |
fsvo "accidentally" |
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sorear |
peanut butter does not generally agree with me. |
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sorear |
japhb: o/ |
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japhb |
o/ |
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* japhb |
"accidentally" eats the last Trefoil |
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japhb |
I wish I had some more Irish soda bread to accidentally eat .... |
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colomon |
.... oooo, that's good stuff too! |
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diakopter |
Mew |
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sorear |
\o/ diakopter !!! |
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diakopter |
niecza: say ^&$1^&$1 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in numeric context at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1222 (warn @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 257 (Any.Numeric @ 6)  at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.se… |
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diakopter |
niecza: say 1^^1 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.Exception: Unable to find lexical &infix:<^^> in mainline at Niecza.CLRBackend.NamProcessor.ResolveLex (System.String name, Boolean upf, System.Int32& uplevel, Boolean core) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0  at Niecza.CLRBac… |
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diakopter |
that might should say &infix:<^^> NYI |
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diakopter |
sorear: hi |
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diakopter |
pugs: say 1^^2 |
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p6eval |
pugs b927740: OUTPUT«» |
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diakopter |
niecza: say ^4^4..4 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«one(0..^4..4, 4..4)» |
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diakopter |
hee |
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diakopter |
niecza: say 1..^^4 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«1..^4» |
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sorear |
diakopter: was "hi" a ping or a pong? |
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diakopter |
pong |
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diakopter |
niecza: say (@4-@4)/(@4*@4) |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«0» |
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diakopter |
niecza: say %2 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unmatched key in Hash.LISTSTORE at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 0 (Any.hash @ 1)  at <unknown> line 0 (ExitRunloop @ 0)  at /tmp/YSprTZMAtf line 1 (mainline @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3838 (A… |
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diakopter |
eh |
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diakopter |
niecza: say 1 |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«1» |
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Teratogen |
I didn't hit her, it's not true, it's bullshit I did not hit her, i did NOT! Oh, hi, TimToady. |
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sorear |
calm down. hi. |
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moritz |
good morning |
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sorear |
good morning moritz |
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Teratogen |
hi sorear. |
| 07:18 |
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* sorear |
hugs Teratogen |
| 07:19 |
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sorear |
this time, I won't do that ironic thing where I forget you have a memory problem and harrass you away |
| 07:20 |
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TimToady |
moritz: hugme didn't add someone earlier to perl6, and we're suspecting it needs to reverify its public key or some such |
| 07:20 |
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moritz |
TimToady: whom? |
| 07:20 |
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sorear |
hi TimToady |
| 07:23 |
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moritz |
oh, find it in the backlog |
| 07:23 |
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moritz |
seems I need to debug hugme a bit :/ |
| 07:23 |
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TimToady |
ranguard |
| 07:24 |
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TimToady |
I added him on the web page |
| 07:24 |
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* moritz |
didn't find him in the team |
| 07:25 |
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moritz |
TimToady: I usually just add people to the 'perl6' team, which gives them commit bit to nearly all perl6 repos. Less administrative overhead that way. |
| 07:25 |
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TimToady |
that's what I did |
| 07:26 |
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TimToady |
he looks there to me |
| 07:28 |
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moritz |
didn't look there to me before I added him too :-) |
| 07:28 |
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moritz |
thought maybe I'm just too sleepy |
| 07:28 |
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TimToady |
well he was sufficiently added earlier to check something in :) |
| 07:28 |
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Teratogen |
TimToady, do you think Linus Torvalds is a fascist!? |
| 07:29 |
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TimToady |
at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-03-13#i_5287837 was his checkin |
| 07:31 |
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sorear |
non sequiter. |
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moritz |
TimToady: right :-) |
| 07:33 |
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moritz |
\o/ dev.perl.org/perl6/ going away |
| 07:34 |
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moritz |
it was a hassle to keep updated, and I did a very poor job at it |
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* sorear |
out. |
| 07:40 |
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jnthn |
Hm. It's morning again already... |
| 07:40 |
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jnthn |
Though, also last day of work for a while :) |
| 07:47 |
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moritz |
\o/ |
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moritz |
the more I use twitter, the less I'm amazed by it |
| 08:29 |
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moritz |
I got a reply to one of my tweets, and got a reply rather quickly, and was notified by email. And five minutes later it still can't be found on the web page |
| 08:31 |
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moritz |
</rant> |
| 08:33 |
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DrEeevil |
eventually consistent distributed systems :) |
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moritz |
eventually. |
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huf |
the system is consistent when complaints sstop |
| 08:36 |
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moritz |
:-) |
| 08:37 |
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huf |
i wonder what this phenomenon is called by serious people |
| 08:41 |
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DrEeevil |
gmail has the same issues, I've seen lag of ~2h reported from people I sent a mail, but the mailserver and header timestamps claim "immediate" arrival |
| 08:42 |
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moritz |
well, email never claimed to be synchronous |
| 08:42 |
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moritz |
I don't know if twitter evered claimed that, but somehow I thought it was |
| 08:44 |
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DrEeevil |
no, I mean server takes email at time now, but the webui shows it at now +2h |
| 08:44 |
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DrEeevil |
so people get really annoyed because it's "missing" |
| 08:44 |
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moritz |
yes, I know |
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* DrEeevil |
doesn't use gmail :) |
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tadzik |
good morning |
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moritz |
\o tadzik |
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eiro |
hello all |
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eiro |
tadzik, want to be added to the thread about fpw (and perl6 course) ? |
| 09:47 |
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tadzik |
eiro: sure |
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bbkr |
good morning |
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masak |
good prenoon, #perl6 |
| 10:08 |
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tadzik |
hey hey |
| 10:10 |
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masak |
nom: .say for 'hey' Zxx 1..3 |
| 10:10 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hey» |
| 10:10 |
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masak |
nom: .say for 'hey' <<xx<< 1..3 |
| 10:10 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: ( no output ) |
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masak |
nom: .say for 'hey' >>xx>> (1..3) |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hey» |
| 10:11 |
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masak |
nom: .say for 'hey' <<xx<< (1..3) |
| 10:11 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«heyheyheyheyheyhey» |
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masak |
nom: .say for ('hey' <<xx<< (1..3)).fmt |
| 10:11 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hey hey hey hey hey hey» |
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masak |
:P |
| 10:12 |
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masak |
nom: .say 'hey' xx $_ for 1..3 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat /tmp/Z0E6Yte45f:1» |
| 10:12 |
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masak |
nom: say 'hey' xx $_ for 1..3 |
| 10:12 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«heyhey heyhey hey hey» |
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masak |
\o/ |
| 10:23 |
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moritz |
nom: say 'hex' Zxx (1..3) |
| 10:23 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hex» |
| 10:24 |
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moritz |
nom: say 'hex' Xxx (1..3) |
| 10:24 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hex hex hex hex hex hex» |
| 10:24 |
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moritz |
nom: say 'hex' Xxx 1..3 |
| 10:24 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hex hex hex hex hex hex» |
| 10:24 |
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moritz |
nom: say ('hex' Xxx 1..3).tree>>.fmt |
| 10:24 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hex hex hex hex hex hex» |
| 10:24 |
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moritz |
nom: say ('hex' Xxx 1..3).tree>>.join('|') |
| 10:24 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«hex hex hex hex hex hex» |
| 10:25 |
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moritz |
nom: say ('hex' Xxx 1..3).tree.perl |
| 10:25 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«("hex", "hex", "hex", "hex", "hex", "hex").list» |
| 10:25 |
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moritz |
nom: say ('hex' Xxx 1..3).lol.perl |
| 10:25 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«Method 'lol' not found for invocant of class 'List' in block <anon> at /tmp/AeSf0zHxtE:1» |
| 10:25 |
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moritz |
nom: say ('hex' Xxx 1..3).LoL.perl |
| 10:25 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«Method 'LoL' not found for invocant of class 'List' in block <anon> at /tmp/FKecir5gOc:1» |
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masak |
sorear: it's "non sequitur" with a "u". "sequor" is one of them "deponent" verbs in Latin, that is, actives looking like passives. |
| 10:46 |
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arnsholt |
Deponens being "put down", since the verbs don't have active forms at all |
| 10:47 |
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arnsholt |
The verbs having put down the active system, as it were |
| 10:49 |
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masak |
ooh, that's why they're called that. |
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masak |
it reminds me of cognominal's "dépotoir" clarifications yesterday. |
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timotimo |
colomon: you replied to my gist (fibonacci with memoization), have you created a forked gist or something? i can't seem to find your code anywhere besides the email i got |
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colomon |
timotimo: sorry, I replied to yours, then discovered the comment formatting was awful, deleted the comment and made another gist: https://gist.github.com/2026007 |
| 10:59 |
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colomon |
note that the code in question is not actually tested, but the theory involved in both examples is sound. :) |
| 10:59 |
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timotimo |
oh, okay, that would explain it |
| 11:01 |
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timotimo |
i'll try some git magic to merge your stuff into my gist, see if that works |
| 11:04 |
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colomon |
well, I guess my second example could use a better error message when passed negative numbers. ;) |
| 11:05 |
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timotimo |
heh. good thing in perl array access with negative numbers doesn't count from the end ;) |
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moritz |
perl6: say <a b c>[$_ % *] for -2 .. 8 |
| 11:22 |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891, niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«bcabcabcabc» |
| 11:22 |
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p6eval |
..pugs b927740: OUTPUT«aaaaaaaaaaa» |
| 11:23 |
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* moritz |
loves that feature |
| 11:34 |
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masak |
std: my @a; say @a[ -2 ] |
| 11:34 |
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p6eval |
std 1ad3292: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Unsupported use of [-2] subscript to access from end of array; in Perl 6 please use [*-2] at /tmp/ZH65NJtx8A line 1:�------> my @a; say @a[ -2 ]�<EOL>�Parse failed�FAILED 00:01 111m�» |
| 11:34 |
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masak |
I will expect that [-2] subscript to be OK for arrays declared with :map |
| 11:35 |
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masak |
though... hm. |
| 11:35 |
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masak |
difficult to determine in the general case, I guess. |
| 11:36 |
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masak |
as arrays start flying around a program, whether a variable contains something with a :map is probably not knowable at compile time. |
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[Coke] |
quick, do we have a batarang operator? |
| 12:51 |
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moritz |
batarang? |
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moritz |
hm, I'm not aware of one |
| 12:52 |
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masak |
suddenly I want one, thought. what is it? |
| 12:52 |
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Teratogen |
quick, to the batcave! |
| 12:52 |
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masak |
holy batarang operator, Batman. |
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| 12:59 |
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masak |
oh. |
| 12:59 |
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masak |
"batarang" is a portmanteau of "bat" and "boomerang". |
| 12:59 |
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masak |
so I guess infix:<^^> would be the closest in shape. |
| 13:00 |
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timotimo |
there may even be a unicode for it |
| 13:00 |
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gfldex |
batarangs are illegal in europe. Please don't make perl 6 illegal in europe :( |
| 13:01 |
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masak |
gfldex: this is news to me. how come a fictional throwing weapon is made illegal? |
| 13:02 |
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mikec |
perl 6 is illegal in europe? |
| 13:02 |
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mikec |
:( |
| 13:02 |
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gfldex |
because they are basicly shuricans |
| 13:02 |
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gfldex |
and shuricans are a throwing weapon that can penetrate the human skill |
| 13:02 |
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gfldex |
don't kill humans plox |
| 13:02 |
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mikec |
that sounds dangerous |
| 13:02 |
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moritz |
so our bricks |
| 13:03 |
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gfldex |
weapons regulation don't follow logic |
| 13:03 |
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* mikec |
imagines a raid on the p6 hackathon |
| 13:03 |
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moritz |
good that Norway isn't in the EU :-) |
| 13:03 |
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mikec |
"drop the batarangs and put your hands in the air" |
| 13:03 |
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timotimo |
colomon: you know what'd be even better in my opinion? |
| 13:03 |
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timotimo |
putting the @fib as a state into the sub |
| 13:03 |
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gfldex |
that might be the reason why norway got a bit of a shooter problem last summer |
| 13:04 |
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colomon |
timotimo: :) |
| 13:04 |
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mikec |
moritz: that explains the location! |
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timotimo |
colomon: https://gist.github.com/1932925 like this |
| 13:05 |
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timotimo |
what's the name for those lists that have a block, "..." and an end value in them? |
| 13:05 |
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colomon |
timotimo: does that work? I would think it would need to be @fib_list := |
| 13:05 |
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moritz |
timotimo: sequence |
| 13:06 |
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moritz |
infix ... is the sequence operator |
| 13:06 |
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timotimo |
thanks |
| 13:06 |
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timotimo |
colomon: it seems to work in rakudo, so yeah, i guess? |
| 13:06 |
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colomon |
weird |
| 13:07 |
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[Coke] |
moritz: infix isnt' a sequence operator. |
| 13:07 |
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colomon |
niecza goes into an infinite loop if I use the code as you gave it |
| 13:07 |
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timotimo |
perl6: sub fib(Int $x) { state @fib_l = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say @fib_l[$x]; } fib(0); fib(1000) |
| 13:07 |
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p6eval |
pugs b927740: OUTPUT«***  Unexpected "@fib_l" expecting "=", context, ":" or "(" at /tmp/wAta0CcnIc line 1, column 25» |
| 13:07 |
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p6eval |
..rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat /tmp/HTB_CM48Fw:1» |
| 13:07 |
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p6eval |
..niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/YvMH5vn8Na line 1:�------> l = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say @fib_l[$x]; }� fib(0); fib(1000)��Parse failed��» |
| 13:07 |
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colomon |
but state @fib_list := 0, 1, * + * ... *; gets an error: Cannot use bind operator with this LHS |
| 13:08 |
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moritz |
just use a constant |
| 13:08 |
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moritz |
constant @fib_list := 0, 1, * + * ... *; |
| 13:08 |
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moritz |
that should work with both rakudo and niecza |
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masak |
moritz: Norway may not be in the EU, but it's in Europe, the Council of Europe, and the European Economic Area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T[…]l_European_Bodies |
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timotimo |
perl6: sub fib(Int $x) { state @fib_l = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say @fib_l[$x]; }; fib(0); fib(1000); |
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timotimo |
that's better |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«(timeout)» |
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p6eval |
..rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«043466557686937456435688527675040625802564660517371780402481729089536555417949051890403879840079255169295922593080322634775209689623239873322471161642996440906533187938298969649928516003704476137795166849228875» |
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..pugs b927740: OUTPUT«***  Unexpected "@fib_l" expecting "=", context, ":" or "(" at /tmp/QI4XDUllFH line 1, column 25» |
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moritz |
masak: *nod* |
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masak |
nom: constant fib = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say fib[10] |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«55» |
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masak |
timotimo: even better :) |
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timotimo |
right, constant makes more sense but still carries the same "initialise only once" thing as state does |
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masak |
I don't know why, but I really like that constant lazy lists grab some of the ecological niche that memoizing subs previously occupied. |
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moritz |
the only problem being that you can't limit the cache size |
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timotimo |
well, if the block you use in there is side-effect free (and how am i supposed to find out, huh?) the cache could always be cleared and data could be re-evaluated |
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masak |
lazy lookahead: that seems to turn up over and over again as a limitation and a problem. |
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timotimo |
if the blocks have side-effects and execution order has some kind of guarantee, then enh. |
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masak |
what was the advantage again? |
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moritz |
timotimo: the optimizer might determine purity in some cases |
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Teratogen |
[] is an operator |
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Teratogen |
it magically turns something into an array and returns a reference |
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Teratogen |
I guess it is an "outfix" operator? |
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Teratogen |
or circumfix, I guess |
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colomon |
niecza: constant fib = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say fib[10] |
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niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object at Niecza.Kernel.ToComposable (Niecza.STable arg, Niecza.STable cls) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0  at Niecza.Kernel.ApplyRoleToClass (Niecza.ST… |
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colomon |
Teratogen: postcircumfix, I believe is what TimToady++ uses. |
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moritz |
well, [] can be both postcircumfix and circumfix |
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moritz |
say [1, 2] # circumfix |
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colomon |
niecza: constant @fib = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say @fib[10] |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Bogus term at /tmp/navcNhXZ5N line 1:�------> constant @fib = 0, 1, * + * ...� *; say @fib[10]��Parse failed��» |
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Teratogen |
well I am talking abouit things like [ /(foo)/ ] |
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Teratogen |
about |
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Teratogen |
* |
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moritz |
niecza: constant @fib = 0, 1, * + * ... *; say @fib[10] |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«55» |
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moritz |
colomon: you had an odd character in there |
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colomon |
moritz: ah |
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colomon |
I knew it was working locally. :) |
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moritz |
it was printed as a backslash in invereted colors here :-) |
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colomon |
It looks perfectly normal here. :( |
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moritz |
the IR clogs haven't captured it either :/ |
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masak |
nom: sub pluralize($_) { when /x$/ { $_ ~ "es" }; when /^(.+?)y$/ { $0 ~ "ies" }; default { $_ ~ "s" } }; say .&pluralize for <pencil box baby> |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«pencilsboxesbabies» |
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masak |
\o/ |
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tadzik |
nice |
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timotimo |
nom: sub pluralize($_) { when /x$/ { $_ ~ "es" }; when /^(.+?)y$/ { $0 ~ "ies" }; default { $_ ~ "s" } }; say .&pluralize for <octopus> |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«octopuss» |
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timotimo |
but it should be octopi!!!!!!!!kkκκ |
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masak |
nom: sub pluralize($_) { when /[x|s]$/ { $_ ~ "es" }; when /^(.+?)y$/ { $0 ~ "ies" }; default { $_ ~ "s" } }; say .&pluralize for <octopus> |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«octopuses» |
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masak |
:) |
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masak |
.u κ |
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U+03BA GREEK SMALL LETTER KAPPA (κ) |
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timotimo |
masak: in case you're wondering, i'm typing neo2, which has the ! on the k key (and κ is on the k key as well), so that's my equivalent of !!!!!!!!1111oneone |
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masak |
interesting. |
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masak |
what's neo2? |
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timotimo |
neo-layout.org is their website, they have a interactive graphic on the front page |
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TimToady |
yanqk? |
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arnsholt |
timotimo: octopodes is acceptable as well =) |
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TimToady |
we need a Zop variant that goes the length of the longest list rather than the shortest, and supplies the identity value of op for missing values |
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TimToady |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Ba[…]ed_ternary#Perl_6 has a couple places that would be simplified with that, especially in infix:<+> where we don't even know which set of coefficients is longer, so have to order them before applying Z+ and 0 xx * |
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masak |
nom: sub zip-longest(@a, @b, &c) { gather { while @a || @b { take &c(@a.shift // 0, @b.shift // 0) } } }; zip-longest [1, 2, 3], [10, 20, 30, 40, 50], *+* |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: ( no output ) |
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masak |
nom: sub zip-longest(@a, @b, &c) { gather { while @a || @b { take &c(@a.shift // 0, @b.shift // 0) } } }; .say for zip-longest [1, 2, 3], [10, 20, 30, 40, 50], *+* |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«1122334050» |
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masak |
feels almost like it could be an adverb on Z+ |
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masak |
adverbs were all the rage back in 2003, but we don't use them a lot on operators. |
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TimToady |
or we could resurrect Yop as something that is almost a Z |
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TimToady |
the "Yes, we can!" op :) |
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TimToady |
except, of course, that it's backwards, since Y comes before Z, and so should return something shorter :) |
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masak |
ZZ+ |
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TimToady |
except it looks like Z[Zop], which is currently legal, if non-sensical (?) |
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masak |
then we can make ZZ top puns. |
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benabik |
ZZop is about having the longest list? |
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TimToady |
it seems a shame to know op's identity value and not provide a way to assume it |
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benabik |
And ZZ Top is about about having the longest beards. |
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felher |
"Identity values"? So (1,2,3) Y+ (1,2,3,4) would be (1,2,3,0) Z+ (1,2,3,4)? |
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benabik |
r: say infix:<+>() |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«0» |
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TimToady |
yes, just as [*]() returns 1 |
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TimToady |
perl6: say [*]() |
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p6eval |
pugs b927740, rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«1» |
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p6eval |
..niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«0» |
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TimToady |
so Z* would assume 1 |
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benabik |
Except in niecza, apparently. |
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felher |
Okay. What about user-defined operators? |
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masak |
std" say [*]() |
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masak |
std: say [*]() |
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p6eval |
std 1ad3292: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 109m» |
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masak |
felher: you provide default values for your user-defined operators. |
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benabik |
Rakudo uses zero-arg versions of the operators for identity. I don't know if that's spec or just convenience. |
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colomon |
errr.... wasn't the old way to do that something like making the shorter list 1, 2, 3, * ? |
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masak |
felher: otherwise they will fail when you try to reduce them, etc. |
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TimToady |
S03:4481 |
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felher |
masak: i see. Sounds nice :) |
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masak |
oh, it's nice :) |
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* benabik |
ponders switching to a IRC client where I could have a custom filter for spec links like the logs do. |
| 16:13 |
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felher |
TimToady: thansk :) |
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benabik |
n: say infix:<*>() |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: No value for parameter '$l' in 'infix:<*>' at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 0 (infix:<*> @ 1)  at /tmp/Rng6J6KEtb line 1 (mainline @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3838 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/n… |
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benabik |
Ah. I guess that's why [*]() behaves as it does. |
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TimToady |
n: say infix:<[*]>() |
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p6eval |
niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Undeclared routine:� 'infix:<[*]>' used at line 1��Unhandled exception: Check failed�� at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1362 (die @ 3) � at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 33) � a… |
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TimToady |
n: say prefix:<[*]>() |
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niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Undeclared routine:� 'prefix:<[*]>' used at line 1��Unhandled exception: Check failed�� at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1362 (die @ 3) � at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6 line 1147 (P6.comp_unit @ 33) � … |
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TimToady |
oh, I was reading n as nom :/ |
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goes searching for more caffiene |
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benabik |
TimToady: I'm glad I'm not the only one. But I eventually adapted because I couldn't spell niecza reliably. :-D |
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daxim |
http://journal.dedasys.com/201[…]and-tk-went-wrong # reading that, I'm glad that p5p's decisions turned out more good than bad |
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was recently pondering an infix Q metaop (casts both arguments to FatRat before executing op) |
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benabik |
Q? |
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felher |
benabik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number |
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benabik |
Oh. |
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benabik |
Haven't run across that before. Interesting. |
| 16:21 |
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nwc10 |
so, if I understand it correctly, q-regex is what's used for user space regexs, er "rules", and it's git://github.com/perl6/nqp.git and it's written in NQP |
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colomon |
benabik: Rop is already taken, and people seemed to frown on F for FatRat. :) |
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nwc10 |
what's the name of the regex engine used (currently) for Rakduo parsing Perl 6 code? The one written in PIR that jnthn is working on retiring? |
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sorear |
isn't qregex used for everything now (in Rakudo)? |
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benabik |
I don't think QRegex is used to parse NQP yet. There were some bootstrapping issues, IIRC |
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sorear |
I don't think it has a name. |
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colomon |
hmmm... though would Qop interfere with quote operators? |
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nwc10 |
sorear: somewhere in http://6guts.wordpress.com/ it says "Most immediately, that will be getting QRegex to be the engine we use to parse NQP and Perl 6 code (currently, we use QRegex for compiling the regexes and grammars you write in your Perl 6 programs, but still use the previous generation engine for parsing Perl 6 source)." |
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nwc10 |
anyway, is the old nameless one the code at git://github.com/perl6/nqp-rx ? |
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moritz |
no, git://github.com/perl6/nqp |
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sorear |
yes, in PAST::Compiler::Regex |
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sorear |
modulo moritz |
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masak |
QRegex hasn't taken over the Rakudo world yet. |
| 16:24 |
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moritz |
well |
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sorear |
o/ MASAK |
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masak |
sorear! \o/ |
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moritz |
QRegex has taken over rakudo userspace |
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masak |
right. but not the compiler parsing. |
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moritz |
but QRegex isn't yet used to parse Perl 6 code |
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nwc10 |
so qregex is in which git respository? |
| 16:24 |
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masak |
which is an odd order of things, in a way :) |
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moritz |
nwc10: it's also in git://github.com/perl6/nqp |
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nwc10 |
aha. :-) |
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masak |
I'm now blocking on QAST, so I'll likely be investigating that in the coming weeks. |
| 16:25 |
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moritz |
two regex engines in one repo! |
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sorear |
nwc10: I haven't been folowing the rakudo world closely, but remember that things are changing quickly and blog posts are often dated |
| 16:25 |
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moritz |
buy one, get one free! |
| 16:25 |
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arnsholt |
colomon: I think Qop could work |
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masak |
as far as I understand, QAST exists for regexes, but needs to be extended to all of Perl 6. |
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nwc10 |
sorear: that one's dated March 9th :-) |
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sorear |
Maybe it's not too old then. :-) |
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arnsholt |
Qop would be in operator places and Q quotes in term places, so they should be able to coexist |
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arnsholt |
OTOH, it might make syntax highlighting and possibly people unhappy |
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sorear |
arnsholt: what if colomon wants Q[prefix]? |
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masak |
arnsholt: the introduction of Qop won't make Perl 6 syntax highlighting more intractable than it already is. |
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nwc10 |
thanks. things make more sense now. |
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* nwc10 |
hopes that Qregex and QAST both arrive soon |
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arnsholt |
masak: That's true =) |
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nwc10 |
and sorry, I'm not in a position to help with making that happen. |
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moritz |
masak: how are you blocking on QAST? |
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masak |
moritz: the AST format we emit needs a new type to handle quasi placeholders. no sense in adding it to PAST since it's going away. |
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masak |
well, I could, I guess. |
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masak |
just for fun. |
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masak |
but I'd rather work on getting QAST to where we can use it. |
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TimToady |
hmm, with a P metaop that 'pads' the shorter list, we could then have ZP+, and maybe XP+ would then guarantee a "square" result |
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timotimo |
perl6: sub test($a is rw) { $a += 5; POST { $a > 0 } }; my $test = 9; test($test); say $test; |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===POST phaser not yet implemented. Sorry. at /tmp/cFG82m_ioC:1» |
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timotimo |
perl6: sub test($a is rw) { $a += 5; POST { $a > 0 } }; my $test = -9; test($test); say $test; |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===POST phaser not yet implemented. Sorry. at /tmp/xpNAUvxv5K:1» |
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..pugs b927740: OUTPUT«*** POST assertion failed: "&test" at /tmp/594g9mlzak line 1, column 65-76» |
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..niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Post-constraint failed for test at /tmp/I18fXZA3p_ line 0 (test @ 1)  at /tmp/I18fXZA3p_ line 1 (mainline @ 2)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3838 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3839 (mod… |
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timotimo |
cool, that pugs does it already :p |
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masak |
TimToady: that feels like a not very general metaop at all. |
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masak |
TimToady: OTOH, if you can supply it in a script with one line of code, then everyone wins :) |
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* TimToady |
refrains from mentioning non-term macros |
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masak |
:) |
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sorear |
There's no reason metaops have to be one character. |
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TimToady |
or we could just make P the "pairwise" form of Z that believes in pairs so much that it will turn a singleton into a pair |
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moritz |
let's call it PKZIP ;-) |
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TimToady |
let's call colomon's fatratter QAST :) |
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masak |
I'm not against non-term macros. I just haven't seen a sane spec for them yet. |
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masak |
(and I'm rather disinclined to replace the current macro spec with one with implementability issues) |
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Teratogen |
Gone are the good old days of the simple but powerful C text preprocessor |
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Teratogen |
*sigh* |
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moritz |
C text processors still exist |
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doy |
looking back on the c preprocessor with fondness indicates to me that you never really used c seriously |
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Teratogen |
They took -P out of Perl 5 =/ |
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masak |
Teratogen: simple, yes. powerful, no. lots of well-known and well-understood problems, weaknesses, and issues: oh yes. |
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masak |
Teratogen: anything that p5p decide to do that ultimately makes Perl 5 less of a pain to manage has my immediate approval. |
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masak |
if you want to pre-process your Perl code, write a script that preprocesses your Perl code. |
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TimToady |
by that argument, p5p should just abandon Perl 5 :P |
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doy |
hey now d: |
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masak |
that... wasn't what I meant. :P |
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masak |
also, I don't actually know whether that's true. |
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masak |
something abandoned can be quite a pain to manage. |
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* masak |
decommutes |
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Teratogen |
Why was -P added to Perl 5 in the first place. Does anyone know? |
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Teratogen |
Well, maybe it was in Perl 4 too! |
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TimToady |
it seemed like a good way to trick C programmers into using Perl |
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TimToady |
but users are what ultimately cause languages like Tcl and Perl(5) to ossify and not keep up with the modern world |
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TimToady |
so we're trying not to have any users yet for Perl 6 :) |
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LoRe |
what's that -P you're talking about? |
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daxim |
text preprocessor, see above |
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benabik |
There's a cartoon on my sysadmin's wall. "I fixed the system." "By unplugging the network cable?" "It runs so much faster without all those users on it." |
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sorear |
sounds like something from old UserFriendly |
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daxim |
remember when UF was good? |
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sorear |
I stopped paying attention before it turned bad |
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TimToady |
UF⃠ |
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* sorear |
checks colomon's blog |
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sorear |
so, this z function |
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sorear |
I can't help but notice that it's related to the modular group |
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arnsholt |
sorear: It's practically a snowclone, I think |
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arnsholt |
Working in retail is nice, if it weren't for all the customers; academia/students, and so on |
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sorear |
snowclone? |
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arnsholt |
Idiom with replaceable parts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowclone) |
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arnsholt |
Like X is the new Y |
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* sorear |
has, unrelatedly, been reading a lot about modular forms lately; wonders if there is a connection with continued fractions |
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TimToady |
modular forms are the new catalan numbers :) |
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moritz |
:-) |
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sorear |
o/ fglock |
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fglock |
o/ |
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masak |
I understand Catalan numbers, but I don't grok modular forms. I do love complex analysis, though, and they seem related. |
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TimToady |
Catalan numbers are so, like, two days ago... |
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* masak |
.oO( halp, TimToady is peer-pressuring me into liking the New Math! ) |
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TimToady |
it is, of course, completely hypocritical on my part, but the world would not work without hypocrisy |
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* [Coke] |
yawns. |
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TimToady |
Snowclones are so, like, two hours ago. |
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masak |
autopuns, however, are very in. |
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masak |
it's been said that the eskimos have over 4000 words for "snowclone". |
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TimToady |
Autopuns are always in, except when they're not. |
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masak |
I think there's a strong correlation between people of the #perl6 persuasion and people with a need to make autopuns. |
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masak |
and not just because we've started pointing them out, I mean, but generally. |
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TimToady |
well, that's just because with something like Perl you can also have manual puns |
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masak |
what, like &eval? |
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masak |
"yo dawg, I know you like to run code..." |
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timotimo |
so, when i have a block that i want to run at compile time (like FIRST, i think?), can i put a block into that that i want to have run at the time when that time gets compiled, before it gets run? :) |
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tadzik |
nom: eval "eval\"eval'say 5'\"" |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat eval_0:1» |
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tadzik |
nom: eval "eval \"eval 'say 5'\"" |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«5» |
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tadzik |
dawg |
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TimToady |
timotimo: that would be a BEGIN block, and yes, you may nest 'em |
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masak |
nom: BEGIN { BEGIN { say "yo dawg" } } |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«yo dawg» |
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timotimo |
hah, great :) |
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masak |
nom: BEGIN { END { say "hm" }; say "when do" }; say "things run?" |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«when dothings run?hm» |
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masak |
fair enuf. |
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masak |
nom: BEGIN { my $a = 42; END { say $a } } |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«Any()» |
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TimToady |
nom: BEGIN { say "dawg"; BEGIN { say "yo" } } |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«yodawg» |
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* masak |
submits rakudobug |
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masak |
nom: my $a = 42; END { say $a } |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«42» |
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masak |
both should work, IMNSHO. |
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masak |
it's like PRE and POST ;) |
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timotimo |
i can see how, yes |
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jnthn |
evneing, #perl6 |
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masak |
jnthn! \o/ |
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fsergot |
jnthn \o/ |
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fsergot |
:) |
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jnthn |
masak: What exaclty did you just submit a Rakudo bug about? |
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jnthn |
oh, the END not seeing the $a... |
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jnthn |
Yeah, that's probably wrong. |
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TimToady |
This sentence no autopun. |
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timotimo |
not sure why the END block inside the BEGIN block gets run after the outer block, but i suppose that's all right? what do i know? |
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jnthn |
END gets run as late as possible |
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TimToady |
you'd want a LEAVE for that |
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timotimo |
ah, ok |
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jnthn |
Rakudo takes this to include END statements that show up inside eval. |
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jnthn |
The spectests disagree, though. |
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TimToady |
nom: BEGIN { LEAVE { say "dawg" }; BEGIN { say "yo" } } |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«yodawg» |
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timotimo |
oh? i think that sound okay. if it's "as late as possible" and you can do it later than the spec says, well ... |
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timotimo |
don't follow the letter, follow the spirit, yes? |
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jnthn |
(That is, END blocks in evals don't run after the eval, then run at program exit). |
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jnthn |
timotimo: The spec doesn't say anything on this afaik |
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jnthn |
spectests != spec ;) |
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TimToady |
ALAP means just that |
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timotimo |
well, okay, but the synopsis says ALAP, doesn't it? |
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jnthn |
Right, so Rakudo is right in this case :) |
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* jnthn |
will correct the tests when he gets a round tuit. Or somebody else can beat him to it. :) |
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jnthn |
.oO( beat him tuit... ) |
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hands jnthn a tuit-shaped cookie |
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TimToady |
or was that a cookie-shaped tuit... |
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masak |
mmm, tuits. |
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tadzik |
hello jnthn |
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jnthn |
o/ tadzik |
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Tene |
masak: I don't recall if I followed up... is https://gist.github.com/1955491 sufficiently golfed for a bug report? |
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felher |
tadzik: if i do 'nom --doc lib/Pod/To/HTML.pm' i get >>>Nominal type check failed for parameter '$name'; expected Str but got Block instead<<< . Do i need to use something different from current nom or am i just on the wrong track? |
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tadzik |
felher: let me see |
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tadzik |
felher: yeah, reproduced. Let me take a look |
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felher |
tadzik: kk :) |
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masak |
Tene: looks like. kudos. |
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Tene |
If you remove the actions, it parses fine. |
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submits rakudobug |
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Tene |
Looks like it fails with a different error in newer rakudo. |
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libertyprime |
Hey. I was just wondering what kind of things the perl 6 grammars will be used for. Just extending the language, or for parsing general purpose files etc |
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tadzik |
felher: it'd seem that --doc is just broken in Rakudo recently |
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tadzik |
due to phasers stuff |
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masak |
n: grammar Foo { token e { 'a' <e> { make 'a' ~ $<e>.ast | ';' { make ';' } } }; my $m = Foo.parse("aaaa;", :rule('e')); say $m.gist; say $m.ast |
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niecza v15-4-g1f35f89: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?) at /tmp/rBSJdVaXIF line 1:�------> e { 'a' <e> { make 'a' ~ $<e>.ast | ';' �{ make ';' } } }; my $m = Foo.parse(… |
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tadzik |
there must be no spectest for --doc |
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masak |
r: grammar Foo { token e { 'a' <e> { make 'a' ~ $<e>.ast } | ';' { make ';' } } }; my $m = Foo.parse("aaaa;", :rule('e')); say $m.gist; say $m.ast |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'» |
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masak |
r: grammar Foo { token e { 'a' <e> | ';' } }; my $m = Foo.parse("aaaa;", :rule('e')); say $m.gist; say $m.ast |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«=> <aaaa;> e => <aaa;> e => <aa;> e => <a;> e => <;>Any()» |
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Tene |
Huh; wonder why I didn't try it in a single rule. |
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masak |
this is your gist, just with 'element' renamed 'e'. |
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felher |
tadzik: I see. Thanks :) |
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Tene |
Oh man, reading is hard. |
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masak |
;) |
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Tene |
I also ran into a separate bug with naming a rule 'kv'. |
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Tene |
I don't quite remember what it was, though. |
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tadzik |
jnthn: pingy |
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jnthn |
tadzik: pongy |
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jnthn |
...er, that wasn't a description :) |
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tadzik |
jnthn: can you think of anything that'd magically break DOC phasers after your recent changes? |
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jnthn |
tadzik: I don't remember touching those... |
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jnthn |
...though maybe that is the issue ;-) |
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tadzik |
:) |
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jnthn |
I can't think of anything right off. What sort of magic breakage have we got? |
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tadzik |
$ cat dupa.pl && perl6 --doc dupa.pl |
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tadzik |
DOC INIT { say "foobar" } |
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tadzik |
===SORRY!=== |
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tadzik |
Nominal type check failed for parameter '$name'; expected Str but got Block instead |
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tadzik |
sorry for the tiny paste |
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jnthn |
It prolly is my fault. --ll-exception says it's inside add_phaser, which I did meddle with of late. |
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masak |
Tene: if you find it again, it may merit a distinct ticket. |
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masak |
Tene: there are clear problems with using some already taken methods names, though. |
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jnthn |
tadzik: yeah, I'm to blame |
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jnthn |
I changed the argument order in add_phaser to make it saner. |
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jnthn |
And missed updating DOC |
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tadzik |
I see |
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tadzik |
shall I fix this? |
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jnthn |
method statement_prefix:sym<DOC>($/) { |
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jnthn |
- $*W.add_phaser($/, ($<blorst>.ast)<code_object>, ~$<phase>) |
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jnthn |
+ $*W.add_phaser($/, ~$<phase>, ($<blorst>.ast)<code_object>) |
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jnthn |
if %*COMPILING<%?OPTIONS><doc>; |
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jnthn |
Try that patch |
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jnthn |
(or I can in a little bit) |
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tadzik |
I will, and I'll think about a spectest for that |
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jnthn |
tadzik++ |
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tadzik |
heh, I'm mostly maintaining Pod these days |
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tadzik |
I started thinking about this year's GSoC |
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tadzik |
one idea is the full-blown module infrastructure, with all of PAUSE6, CPAN6 and CPAN6.pm workalikes |
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tadzik |
the second is a full blown web framework, along with docs, examples, propaganda etc. Something along "look, one can do useful stuff now" |
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colomon |
+2 |
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colomon |
or rather, +1 +1 |
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tadzik |
now what if you had to choose one? |
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tadzik |
I think there's no need (yet) for a proper module infrastructure; or rather: we can live without it |
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masak |
yeah. go for the web framework. |
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tadzik |
on the other hand, I've already talked to people saying "I'll probably use Perl 6 if I could write stuff with it, like a small website" |
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tadzik |
I told him about bailador, MiniDBI and essentially having everything already in place |
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tadzik |
masak: I could learn/pick up stuff from Web.pm too |
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masak |
yes, you have to. |
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masak |
there are good ideas in there. they just didn't fit in an ill-specified 11 week grant. |
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tadzik |
right |
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* moritz |
backlogs |
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moritz |
tadzik: I have a third suggestion: bring MiniDBI and drivers in a usable shape |
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moritz |
tadzik: if you don't like that, I#d prefer the web framework over the modules stuff |
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moritz |
though I'm +1 xx 3 |
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tadzik |
moritz: I think if I did web stuff, bringing DBI to a usable shape would be either a prerequisite or a part of the work |
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moritz |
tadzik: well, bringing one of the drivers could be part of the web stuff. Doing all (mysql, postgres, sqlite) would be enough for a full GSOC project, I think |
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masak |
depends on what you consider web stuff ;) |
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colomon |
I think I'd prefer the web stuff over modules as well -- I think with another week or two's work, we'd have the module stuff solid enough to support what is needed for p6 for now. |
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tadzik |
okay, DOC fixed |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 34b7b10 | tadzik++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Fix DOC phasers for the new add_phaser() API. felher++ for noticing |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/34b7b105e3 |
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tadzik |
felher: should work now :) |
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felher |
tadzik: *testing* |
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moritz |
tadzik++ |
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felher |
tadzik++ : works like a charm :) |
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libertyprime |
Hey guys. I was wondering if there will be an option to disable backtracking in normal regex, not just with tokens |
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tadzik |
:ratchet does that I think |
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libertyprime |
tadzik: chur bro |
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masak |
libertyprime: hey -- welcome! |
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moritz |
r: say so 'aaa' ~~ /a+a/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«True» |
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moritz |
r: say so 'aaa' ~~ /:r a+a/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo fee891: OUTPUT«False» |
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[Coke] |
tadzik: congrats on the $dayjob! |
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colomon |
+1 |
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tadzik |
thanks :) |
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* libertyprime |
feels welcomed |
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masak |
OMG p6cc blog post! \o/ http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]3-addition-chains |
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gfldex |
libertyprime as in www.google.com/search?q=liberty+prime&tbm=isch ? |
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jnthn |
masak: The dynamic programming link in the wikipedia quote section looks busted |
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masak |
I noticed -- already on it. |
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masak |
should look fine in a minute or so. |
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masak |
jnthn++ for reporting it, though :) |
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masak |
there, fix'd. |
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jnthn |
masak: In http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]cc2011/t3/timtom/ you note "Inconsistent layout of braces after loop and conditional headers, sometimes there is a newline before the brace, sometimes not." - but I can't find a place wehre there is not. Am I missing it? |
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felher |
masak++ : nice post. Great that you explained so much and supplied many links :) |
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masak |
jnthn: no, nor any superstitious if parens. fixing. |
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jnthn |
masak: It's true of the author's second submission, but not the first. |
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masak |
jnthn: must've ended up in the rong place, then. |
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masak |
good catch. |
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felher |
masak: one thing, though: "Depsite arnsholt's quote above, it hasn't been proven NP-hard". Did you want to write NP-complete? |
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masak |
I feared I might've wanted that, yes... |
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jnthn |
One interesting note from http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]c2011/t3/zbiciak/ is that where clauses could in theory have been used in the MAIN signature, but the error messages that resulted woulda been worse. |
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jnthn |
I wonder if there's a best of both world's solution :) |
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masak |
felher: though if it's not NP-hard, it's not NP-complete either, I guess. |
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felher |
masak: np-complete is a subset of np-hard. So there are Problems that are not NP-hard but NP-Complete. |
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masak |
jnthn: maybe if we can stringify the contents of blocks... :) |
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masak |
felher: right. better go with "NP-complete" then. |
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masak |
I don't think it has been proved either, but "NP-complete" is what arnsholt++ said. |
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masak |
felher++ # thanks |
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felher |
:) |
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arnsholt |
Oh, I thought I read that it was NP-complete |
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arnsholt |
But that might be one of those more general ones you mention |
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masak |
as far as I know, it hasn't been shown to be NP-complete. |
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arnsholt |
Cool. You've probably got a better handle on it than me =) |
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arnsholt |
I'm flattered to be picked for the cover blurb though =) |
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libertyprime |
gfldex: yeah, that's what inspired me! |
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gfldex |
:) |
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masak |
'night, #perl6 |
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felher |
o/ masak |
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jnthn |
Hm. Given I've got 16 hours worth of flying along with the various associated hours in airports coming up tomorrow...guess I should sleep too :) |
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jnthn |
'night o/ |
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tadzik |
good night jnthn |
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felher |
o/ jnthn |
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jnthn |
tadzik: Oh, I forgot - congrats on the job! :) |
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jnthn |
'night o/ |
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tadzik |
thanks jnthn :) |
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felher |
tadzik: what job? |
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tadzik |
felher: Perl dev at Opera |
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flussence |
wow, gj :) |
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felher |
tadzik: Opera? Those with their browser? |
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tadzik |
aye :) |
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tadzik |
flussence: yeah, it's pretty great |
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tadzik |
at a first glance at least, I'm starting on friday |
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felher |
tadzik: Oh nice. After all, Opera is my backup-browser in case uzbl doesn't display some page correctly. So the next time i have problems with my backup-browser... ... :) |
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felher |
tadzik: so, congrats from me, too :) |
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japhb |
Quite, congrats tadzik! |
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tadzik |
thank you :) |
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felher |
night folks |
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tadzik |
'night |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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tadzik |
hello sorear |
