IRC log for #perl6, 2012-04-21

Time	Nick	Message
00:02	dalek	tablets: fbba0e7 \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/ (3 files):
00:02	dalek	tablets: more coherent formating of code snippets
00:02	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/fbba0e7598
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00:38	lichtkind	good night
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01:07	dalek	tablets: 5042d4d \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix-a-index.txt:
01:07	dalek	tablets: typo in double caret op anchor
01:07	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/5042d4d240
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01:45	edwinorc	Hi, I just ran the perl6 rosetta code for Levenshtein distance ( http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Le[…]n_distance#Perl_6 ) in rakudo
01:45	edwinorc	But I get the error Cannot assign to a non-container in sub levenshtein_distance at assn1-Q4.p6:6
01:46	edwinorc	is that a known thing?
01:47	edwinorc	assn1-Q4.p6 is the name of the file I was running it in
01:53	edwinorc	rakudo: my @a; @a[0][1] = 'X'; say @a.perl;
01:53	p6eval	rakudo 45ef4e: OUTPUT«Array.new([Any, "X"])␤»
01:53	edwinorc	ah maybe it's just my build :)
01:53	geekosaur	I think that may have just been fixed (but not quite in time for the latest release)? autovivification had been broken for sometime
01:54	edwinorc	yeah I was just looking at logs from march I think it has been fixed
01:54	edwinorc	just in the last few days
01:54	dalek	tablets: f55c003 \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix-a-index.txt:
01:54	dalek	tablets: fixing special var links (have to have same case as item they link to now)
01:54	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/f55c003ebc
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02:27	dalek	tablets: 541c06a \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix-a-index.txt:
02:27	dalek	tablets: small format tidy
02:27	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/541c06a56b
02:27	dalek	tablets: 459e572 \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix- (2 files):
02:27	dalek	tablets: more small fixes
02:27	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/459e57246f
02:35	dalek	tablets: d130d6b \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix-a-index.txt:
02:35	dalek	tablets: still fixing format typos and stting links
02:35	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/d130d6b65b
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06:17	moritz	\o
06:17	phenny	moritz: 20 Apr 23:34Z <lichtkind> tell moritz i rewrote the html generator in perl and it does more now, please let the cron start this
06:17	dalek	rakudo/nom: 498508b \| moritz++ \| docs/ROADMAP:
06:17	dalek	rakudo/nom: [roadmap] :exhaustive is done
06:17	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/498508bd8c
06:22	moritz	phenny: tell lichtkind the cronjob now runs build-html.pl
06:22	phenny	moritz: I'll pass that on when lichtkind is around.
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06:41	pmichaud	good morning, #perl6
06:44	dalek	features: 89540de \| pmichaud++ \| features.json:
06:44	dalek	features: Add autovivification as a Rakudo feature.
06:44	dalek	features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/89540dee6d
06:50	dalek	perl6.org: e411374 \| pmichaud++ \| source/compilers/index.html:
06:50	dalek	perl6.org: Rakudo's setting library is now in the 'nom' branch, not 'master'.
06:50	dalek	perl6.org: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/e411374393
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07:14	moritz	good am, pm
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08:21	dalek	nqp: 655049e \| jonathan++ \| src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
08:21	dalek	nqp: Make !LITERAL support getting a flag to match cAsE InSenSitiVE.
08:21	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/655049ef54
08:23	dalek	rakudo/nom: 5ec18cd \| jonathan++ \| / (3 files):
08:23	dalek	rakudo/nom: Make /:i $foo/ match the interpolated variable case-insensitively.
08:23	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/5ec18cd4be
08:24	jnthn	pmichaud: https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=76500
08:27	moritz	b: my $x = 'Foo'; say 'foo' ~~ /:i $x/
08:27	p6eval	b 922500: OUTPUT«␤»
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08:52	dalek	features: 6af5339 \| jonathan++ \| features.json:
08:52	dalek	features: Now have CORE, SETTING and UNIT.
08:52	dalek	features: review: https://github.com/perl6/featu[…]commit/6af5339152
08:55	pmichaud	jnthn: locally (with icu):
08:55	pmichaud	> my $x = 'XYZ'; say 'xyz' ~~ /:i $x/;
08:55	pmichaud	=> <xyz>
08:55	jnthn	pmichaud: yay :)
08:55	pmichaud	trying without icu now
08:56	jnthn	pmichaud: OK. Will tag the ticket testneeded
08:56	pmichaud	n: say (1\|2\|3).Str
08:56	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«any(1, 2, 3)␤»
08:57	pmichaud	r: say (1\|2\|3).Str
08:57	p6eval	rakudo 498508: OUTPUT«any(1, 2, 3)␤»
08:57	pmichaud	r: print 1\|2\|3
08:57	p6eval	rakudo 498508: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native string␤ in method print at src/gen/CORE.setting:6666␤ in sub print at src/gen/CORE.setting:6537␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/ZhORcYdOry:1␤␤»
08:57	moritz	r: say (1\|2\|3).Str.WHAT
08:57	p6eval	rakudo 498508: OUTPUT«Junction()␤»
08:58	pmichaud	n: say (1\|2\|3).Str.WHAT
08:58	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
08:59	moritz	r: say Mu.Str
08:59	p6eval	rakudo 498508: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Mu in string context in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:667␤␤␤»
08:59	moritz	n: say Mu.Str
08:59	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Use of uninitialized value in string context␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1224 (warn @ 3) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 235 (Mu.Str @ 10) ␤ at /tmp/ilVnXiP2ya line 1 (mainline @ 2) ␤ at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.set…
09:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: 507e7f6 \| jonathan++ \| src/core/Mu.pm:
09:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: Dispatchers should not decontainerize the return value.
09:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/507e7f694b
09:12	jnthn	pmichaud: auto-viv ticket: https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=84000
09:12	jnthn	pmichaud: Doesn't seem quite closable yet...
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09:29	moritz	r: role A[::X] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }; class B does A[A] { }; B.new.a
09:29	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤None of the parametric role variants for 'A' matched the arguments supplied.␤Cannot call ''; none of these signatures match:␤␤»
09:29	moritz	r: role A[::X] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }; class B does A[Int] { }; B.new.a
09:29	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤None of the parametric role variants for 'A' matched the arguments supplied.␤Cannot call ''; none of these signatures match:␤␤»
09:29	moritz	r: role A[$] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }; class B does A[Int] { }; B.new.a
09:29	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤None of the parametric role variants for 'A' matched the arguments supplied.␤Cannot call ''; none of these signatures match:␤␤»
09:29	moritz	erm, what?
09:32	jnthn	r: role A[$] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }; class B does A[Int] { }
09:32	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤None of the parametric role variants for 'A' matched the arguments supplied.␤Cannot call ''; none of these signatures match:␤␤»
09:33	jnthn	oh
09:33	jnthn	missing
09:33	jnthn	}
09:33	moritz	r: role A[::X] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }}; class B does A[Int] { }; B.new.a
09:33	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: ( no output )
09:33	moritz	r: role A[::X] { method a(::?CLASS:D: ) { }}; class B does A[Int] { }; B.a
09:33	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«Parameter '' requires an instance, but a type object was passed␤ in method a at /tmp/2XHBWAsUQK:1␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/2XHBWAsUQK:1␤␤»
09:33	moritz	\o/
09:41	dalek	rakudo/nom: 48c8394 \| jonathan++ \| src/core/control.pm:
09:41	dalek	rakudo/nom: Don't explode when a :lang passed to eval doesn't locate a compiler.
09:41	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/48c8394be3
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10:01	moritz	r: sub f is rw { [1, 2, 3 ] }; .say for f
10:01	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
10:01	moritz	r: sub f { [1, 2, 3 ] }; .say for f
10:01	p6eval	rakudo 507e7f: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤»
10:03	pmichaud	> my $x = 'XYZ'; say 'xyz' ~~ /:i $x/
10:03	pmichaud	=> <xyz>
10:03	pmichaud	jnthn: running w/o icu:
10:03	pmichaud	> my $x = 'XYZ'; say 'xyz' ~~ /:i $x/
10:03	pmichaud	=> <xyz>
10:03	jnthn	pmichaud++
10:03	jnthn	pmichaud: Works for the non-variable case too?
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10:04	dalek	roast: 50b3dbc \| moritz++ \| S05-match/capturing-contexts.t:
10:04	dalek	roast: untodo a now passing test
10:04	dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/50b3dbca10
10:10	dalek	nqp: 232518c \| pmichaud++ \| src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
10:10	dalek	nqp: Enable case-insensitive literal interpolation for systems w/o ICU.
10:10	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/232518cf66
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10:13	* masak	is at the hackathon, having a great time
10:13	masak	looking out the Window over Oslo, I feel on top of the world ;)
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10:16	dalek	nqp: a88d0b8 \| jonathan++ \| src/6model/reprs/CArray.c:
10:16	dalek	nqp: Serialize/deserialize CArray representation's REPR data. Should fix pre-compilation of things that use CArray based types.
10:16	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/a88d0b8870
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10:17	jnthn	moritz: ^^ should help
10:17	jnthn	Note you'll need to re-compile
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10:23	dalek	nqp: b83d81f \| pmichaud++ \| src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
10:23	dalek	nqp: Add the parts of the previous commit that apparently weren't commited.
10:23	dalek	nqp: So now we can do case-insensitive literal interpolation.
10:23	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b83d81fbd7
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10:35	dalek	rakudo/nom: 1917a7a \| jonathan++ \| t (2 files):
10:35	dalek	rakudo/nom: Set PERL6LIB in the harness, which unbusts running spectest on Windows.
10:35	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/1917a7a2ba
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10:42	mdcw`	hello
10:42	moritz	hi
10:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: 5511d03 \| moritz++ \| tools/autounfudge.pl:
10:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: autounfudge needs PERL6LIB=lib too
10:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/5511d03dbd
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10:49	dalek	nqp/qbootstrap: d6e4019 \| pmichaud++ \| Configure.pl:
10:49	dalek	nqp/qbootstrap: Add --parrot-option to Configure.pl.
10:49	dalek	nqp/qbootstrap: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d6e4019f00
10:49	dalek	nqp: 05b65e9 \| pmichaud++ \| Configure.pl:
10:49	dalek	nqp: Add --parrot-option flags to Configure.pl.
10:49	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/05b65e90f0
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10:54	tadzik	dalek didn't report it, but perl6 --doc=HTML etc now DWYM
10:54	jnthn	oh
10:54	jnthn	*ooh
10:54	jnthn	tadzik++
10:55	moritz	tadzik++, dalek--
11:05	masak	r: say Match.^methods
11:05	p6eval	rakudo 48c839: OUTPUT«prematch postmatch caps chunks make Str Numeric Bool ACCEPTS perl gist <anon> <anon> <anon> <anon> <anon> at_key at_pos hash list elems Capture FLATTENABLE_LIST FLATTENABLE_HASH pairs values keys kv gist Str Numeric perl BUILD␤»
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11:06	masak	r: "hohohoooo!" ~~ /[<!before '<'> .]+/; say ~$/
11:06	p6eval	rakudo 48c839: OUTPUT«hohohoooo!␤»
11:08	* imarcusthis	waves
11:09	imarcusthis	in a slow sine.
11:10	moritz	_/-\_
11:11	moritz	my wave has a bit of high frequency components too :-)
11:11	moritz	maybe I should just wave after FFT
11:11	moritz	___\|___
11:11	moritz	there, perfect sine wave :-)
11:12	pmichaud	...rod logic?
11:12	imarcusthis	pmichaud++
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11:13	imarcusthis	cloning parrot takes a while.
11:14	jnthn	They have a lot of history...
11:14	moritz	parrot speaks your language, where "your" changes a lot over time :-)
11:14	masak	it's a Parrot. it has a lot to say.
11:15	imarcusthis	masak: I thought they mostly repeat what you say.
11:16	moritz	well, they repeat your words, but they can communicate with them
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11:17	imarcusthis	I see rakudo star is still lacking non-blocking io and parallelism?
11:17	imarcusthis	did you consider libdispatch / gcd for threading?
11:17	moritz	well, the problem with threading is that it needs to come from the VM
11:17	jnthn	I thought tadzik had some stuff on non-blocking IO
11:18	moritz	yes, a bit
11:18	imarcusthis	jnthn: I was only referring to http://rakudo.org/2012/02/28/r[…]2012-02-released/ - things may have changed since february.
11:18	imarcusthis	well, almost march :)
11:18	tadzik	imarcusthis: there is tiny bit of infrastructure for async io
11:18	imarcusthis	tadzik: neat
11:19	tadzik	imarcusthis: see http://ttjjss.wordpress.com/20[…]s-http-in-perl-6/ for example
11:19	* imarcusthis	is building nom atm
11:19	dalek	tablets: e145278 \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix-a-index.txt:
11:19	dalek	tablets: false set braces in flat()
11:19	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/e145278d2d
11:19	imarcusthis	let's hope my single-fan mbp won't overheat :)
11:19	imarcusthis	tadzik: thanks for the url
11:19	* masak	.oO( fans of Perl 6 )
11:20	jnthn	imarcusthis: yeah, I suspect we haven't included the stuff tadzik++ has been doing on that in a nom relesae yet
11:20	tadzik	imarcusthis: you can also look at https://github.com/tadzik/MuEvent
11:20	tadzik	jnthn: you mean Star release?
11:20	imarcusthis	I mean github branch, btw
11:20	jnthn	tadzik: yes :)
11:20	imarcusthis	(assumed nom was master, as it was checked out by default in the clone)
11:21	jnthn	imarcusthis: yes, it is
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11:24	lichtkind	moritz: HAI
11:24	phenny	lichtkind: 06:22Z <moritz> tell lichtkind the cronjob now runs build-html.pl
11:24	lichtkind	moritz: thanks
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11:29	masak	nom: say Cool.can("comb").^name
11:29	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«Parcel␤»
11:29	masak	nom: say Cool.can("comb")[0].^name
11:29	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«Method␤»
11:29	masak	nom: say Cool.can("comb")[0].signature
11:29	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«:(Cool , Any , Mu %_!)␤»
11:29	masak	well, thanks for nuttin' :P
11:30	* masak	goes looking at the source
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11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: 271d219 \| jonathan++ \| src/core/Pair.pm:
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: Correct a bogus contextualization.
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/271d2193c8
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: 94ae635 \| jonathan++ \| src/core/EnumMap.pm:
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: %h.hash should not make a new hash, just return identify.
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/94ae63536a
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: fa1ca28 \| jonathan++ \| src/core/Mu.pm:
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: The identify .item should not decontainerize.
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/fa1ca283bb
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: 6ef66c9 \| jonathan++ \| src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: $.foo, @.foo and %.foo should contextualize appropriately.
11:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/6ef66c9521
11:34	dalek	tablets: 5168fd8 \| (Herbert Breunung)++ \| docs/appendix- (2 files):
11:34	dalek	tablets: added . as prefix for nonecapturing subrules
11:34	dalek	tablets: review: https://github.com/perl6/table[…]commit/5168fd8091
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11:58	tadzik	phenny: ask sorear any ideas why dalek is not reporting my rakudo commits?
11:58	phenny	tadzik: I'll pass that on when sorear is around.
12:00	masak	r: "foo" ~~ /foo/; say $/.text
12:00	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«Method 'text' not found for invocant of class 'Match'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/u18UxXtvTe:1␤␤»
12:00	masak	r: grammar G { regex TOP { { "foo" ~~ /foo/; say $/.text } } }; G.parse("")
12:00	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:00	masak	moritz: ^
12:08	* imarcusthis	ponders improving perl6 --help
12:09	tadzik	well volunteered!
12:09	imarcusthis	seems to me it should emit something more similar to man perl6
12:09	imarcusthis	tadzik: indeed, I even made a branch
12:09	tadzik	awesome
12:12	moritz	r: 'a' ~~ /a/; $/.text
12:12	p6eval	rakudo 626ef2: OUTPUT«Method 'text' not found for invocant of class 'Match'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/0s7Be9x65G:1␤␤»
12:12	moritz	r: "foo" ~~ /foo/; say $/.text
12:12	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:12	moritz	r: "foo" ~~ /foo/; $/.text
12:12	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:13	moritz	huh. Why does it need "foo" to fail at erroring?
12:14	jnthn	r: "bar" ~~ /bar/; say $/.text
12:14	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:14	jnthn	A bar will do too
12:15	masak	wtf
12:15	masak	r: "bar" ~~ /bar/; $/.text
12:15	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:15	moritz	r: 'ab' ~~ /ab/; $/.text
12:15	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:16	moritz	r: 'ab' ~~ /a/; $/.text
12:16	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:16	moritz	r: 'a' ~~ /a/; $/.text
12:16	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
12:16	moritz	oh, it recompiled rakudo inbetween
12:16	masak	r: my $s = "it escapes things like & for you! &, &, &!"; $s ~~ s:g['&'] = '&'; say $s
12:16	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«it escapes things like & for you! &, &, &!␤»
12:16	masak	that's just so cool.
12:16	masak	I can't really get over how cool that is.
12:17	moritz	my first execution used rakudo 626ef2, the later ones 6ef66c
12:17	masak	moritz++
12:17	sjn	pmichaud: I've dumped some of my thoughts on yesterday's crazy discussion on http://code.foo.no/ :)
12:26	* imarcusthis	has been hacking on perl6 for 10 minutes, and is already ready for a drink.
12:26	imarcusthis	no heredocs? wat
12:26	tadzik	not yet :)
12:27	imarcusthis	what about __DATA__ ?
12:28	JimmyZ	no
12:28	imarcusthis	how do you output multiple lines of text then? a bunch of say lines? :)
12:29	tadzik	or just stick \n in a string :)
12:29	tadzik	maybe just 'say "' <newline newline newline> '";'
12:30	imarcusthis	starting to$!usage := $!usage ~ " $_\n";
12:30	tadzik	naah, don't
12:30	imarcusthis	is this because you don't have anything like $foo .= ?
12:30	tadzik	imarcusthis: how about just https://gist.github.com/2436884 ?
12:30	tadzik	imarcusthis: there's ~= for that
12:30	imarcusthis	tadzik: that's great actually
12:31	JimmyZ	.= ? it's not php
12:31	tadzik	it's not Perl 5 either :)
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12:32	imarcusthis	JimmyZ: perl -lE'$_="foo";$_ .=" bar"; say $_'
12:33	* JimmyZ	did not know perl much .....
12:33	JimmyZ	perl 5
12:34	imarcusthis	Alas, poor Yorick.
12:35	imarcusthis	btw, how come this doesn't throw an error: "perl6 -Ilib example.pl"
12:36	imarcusthis	it doesn't seem to modify the include path either
12:36	tadzik	imarcusthis: it's just that -I is NYI
12:36	tadzik	imarcusthis: you can use PERL6LIB=lib perl6 example.pl
12:37	tadzik	should be quite implementable, I think
12:37	imarcusthis	tadzik: just -I throws an error about "No such option"
12:37	tadzik	correct
12:37	tadzik	there is no such option :)
12:37	imarcusthis	tadzik: so why doesn't -Ilib throw the same error_
12:39	imarcusthis	anyways, MuEvent runs here now. yay
12:39	imarcusthis	It does seem like it is bored too :)
12:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: 7c97944 \| jonathan++ \| src/Perl6/ (2 files):
12:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: Fix combination of state declarator and list assignment.
12:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/7c97944a21
12:42	tadzik	imarcusthis: hmm, no eye deer :)
12:42	tadzik	I guess -Ilib doesn't play well with HLL::Compiler, which accepts either -I or --Ilib
12:43	imarcusthis	a blind deer!
12:43	tadzik	that's why it's different
12:43	tadzik	it should be quite possible to implement -I=lib, if we have a way to setenv() from nqp
12:44	tadzik	and then it probably won't be windows-friendly again :)
12:44	imarcusthis	https://gist.github.com/2436933
12:45	masak	r: my $value = "foo"; my $string = "I have a foo under my bed, foo!"; $string ~~ s:g/<$value>/ = "bar"; say $string
12:45	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix = instead at line 1, near " \"bar\"; sa"␤»
12:45	masak	r: my $value = "foo"; my $string = "I have a foo under my bed, foo!"; $string ~~ s:g[<$value>] = "bar"; say $string
12:45	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«I have a bar under my bed, bar!␤»
12:46	masak	\o/
12:47	JimmyZ	how to explain it?
12:47	imarcusthis	JimmyZ: masak has a bar under his bed.
12:48	JimmyZ	hmm, How it works
12:50	tadzik	imarcusthis: cool!
12:50	tadzik	imarcusthis: however, that's nqp, not perl6, right?
12:50	tadzik	(the file)
12:50	JimmyZ	r: my $value = "foo"; $_ = "I have a foo under my bed, foo!"; s:g[<$value>] = "bar"; say $_
12:50	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«I have a bar under my bed, bar!␤»
12:51	imarcusthis	tadzik: yes. It was the only place I found the output in the perl6 source dir, so I assumed it got it from nqp
12:52	tadzik	hm
12:52	tadzik	imarcusthis: let me take a look at this
12:53	tadzik	imarcusthis: okay, I got this. In nqp, see src/HLL/Compiler.pm, line 299
12:53	tadzik	it says: self.usage($program-name) if %adverbs<help> \|\| %adverbs<h>;
12:54	tadzik	so what you need to do is to redefine method usage() in Perl6/Compiler.nqp (I think)
12:54	imarcusthis	tadzik: yeah, that is the file I'm working on.
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12:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: 754e4a0 \| moritz++ \| src/core/Backtrace.pm:
12:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: succeed in creating error message much more often
12:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/754e4a052b
12:54	imarcusthis	tadzik: can't they just use the same text?
12:54	tadzik	imarcusthis: well, now you made everything that uses HLL::Compiler print help for Rakudo Perl 6
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12:55	imarcusthis	tadzik: I see.
12:55	tadzik	and what you really want is just to make Rakudo act differently than the default
12:55	moritz	note that you can add a method to src/Perl6/Compiler.nqp
12:56	moritz	which inherits from HLL::Compiler
12:56	imarcusthis	yupp
12:56	imarcusthis	I'm doing that now
12:56	tadzik	great, imarcusthis++
12:57	masak	r: my $s = "siht si yrev gnitseretni"; $s ~~ s:g[(\w+)] = (my $c = $0; $c.flip.uc); say $s
12:57	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«THIS IS VERY INTERESTING␤»
13:02	masak	TimToady: BEGIN inside a quasi -- runs at quasi-parse, or at quasi-apply?
13:03	masak	TimToady: there are arguments for either. quasi-parse is "as early as possible". quasi-apply is where the BEGIN block would fire if we assume that the quasi isn't "concrete code" until it gets applied in some actual code.
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13:06	tadzik	r: %*ENV<FOO> = "bar"; shell 'echo foo $FOO'
13:06	p6eval	rakudo 6ef66c: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
13:06	tadzik	evalbot rebuild nom
13:06	p6eval	OK (started asynchronously)
13:06	masak	evalbot rebuild my entire secret robot army
13:08	moritz	tadzik: it says it does that, but it doesn't actually :(
13:09	tadzik	I see
13:09	Teratogen	good morning
13:10	masak	Teratogen! \o/
13:10	Teratogen	masak!
13:13	masak	we're in Oslo, doing a hackathon!
13:14	tadzik	\o/
13:15	tadzik	if anyone's looking for an LHF: https://github.com/tadzik/perl[…]ll/Command.pm#L25
13:15	tadzik	as in: implementing rm_rf would be nice and easy and helpful to me :)
13:15	Teratogen	I hear Norwegian chicks are hawt!
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13:16	tadzik	I see no chicks :(
13:16	masak	Teratogen: we're currently discussing whether to kickban you. please behave.
13:16	Teratogen	now what did I do?
13:19	imarcusthis	Teratogen: you implied perl6 hackers care about girls. (ick)
13:19	imarcusthis	>D
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13:19	tadzik	well, I think what masak meant is that what you say may offend some women, which we would really not want
13:20	tadzik	(correct me if I'm wrong)
13:23	imarcusthis	Isn't that a compliment to norwegian women?
13:24	moritz	some women might take it as such; others might take it as reducing their value to sexuality
13:24	* imarcusthis	has realized he has to be a feminist, with a second daughter on the way.
13:24	tadzik	imarcusthis: I would read it as such, but it's not me who gets offended eventually
13:26	masak	r: sub foo($t) { $t ~~ s:g[foo] = "bar" }; grammar G { regex TOP { { my $s = "OH HAI, foo!"; foo($s) } } }; G.parse("")
13:26	p6eval	rakudo 754e4a: OUTPUT«Error while creating error string: Method 'message' not found for invocant of class 'Any'␤»
13:26	masak	moritz: ^
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13:28	masak	Teratogen's utterance was offensive against Norwegian poultry.
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13:30	isBEKaml	Hello, #perl6! What's going on Hakkathon? :)
13:31	masak	isBEKaml! \o/
13:31	isBEKaml	yo, masak! you at hackathon too?
13:31	masak	aye
13:31	imarcusthis	masak: yes. our poultry is very cold, and lacks creature comforts.
13:32	jnthn	Wait, what, now I'm confused...is Norwegian poultry hot or cold?
13:32	masak	imarcusthis: I think this is a problem in many places.
13:32	jnthn	.oO( Guess it depends if you cook it )
13:32	isBEKaml	jnthn: I think you're in for a frigid meal. ;)
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: 096cf7d \| (Marcus Ramberg)++ \| src/Perl6/Compiler.nqp:
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: Better help for perl6 binary
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/096cf7da81
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: b1f5835 \| moritz++ \| src/Perl6/Compiler.nqp:
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: Merge from marcusramberg/improve_help
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom:
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: Better help for perl6 binary
13:33	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/b1f5835670
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13:49	TimToady	masak: maybe means we need two phasers there
13:49	masak	nnnnnnnaaaaarrrghh
13:50	jnthn	QBEGIN
13:50	pmichaud	QBEGIN!
13:50	moritz	QBEGIN!
13:50	* masak	explodes
13:50	* TimToady	has admittedly had no coffee yet
13:50	pmichaud	hacking has now ceased in Oslo due to uncontrollable fits of laughter.
13:50	pmichaud	and also concern that TimToady++ might be serious :)
13:51	moritz	TimToady: I had the same answer to masak++ when he asked his question in RL :-)
13:51	* TimToady	<-- glad to be of entertainment value at least
13:52	masak	I think that QBEGIN is a bad idea until we have use cases for both possible semantics.
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13:53	masak	until then, BEGIN will mean whatever is most convenient for whoever implements macros in Rakudo ;)
13:53	TimToady	in a sense {{{}}} is running QBEGINishly already
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13:54	* TimToady	goes to get caffiene to see whether that's a stupid notion
13:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: 501e401 \| jonathan++ \| src/Perl6/ (2 files):
13:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: Fix constant initializers that include a block.
13:54	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/501e401988
13:56	dalek	nqp: b6a9303 \| pmichaud++ \| / (3 files):
13:56	dalek	nqp: Bump PARROT_REVISION to get latest Parrot upcase/downcase improvements for non-ICU environments.
13:56	dalek	nqp: Also back out extra transcoding step for case-insensitive interpolations.
13:56	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b6a9303f66
13:56	moritz	hugme: add torehaug to mberends
13:56	hugme	moritz: You need to register with freenode first
13:57	moritz	hugme: add torehaug to MiniDBI
13:57	* hugme	hugs torehaug. Welcome to MiniDBI!
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14:02	imarcusthis	tadzik: I have another improvement suggestion, for --doc - http://pastie.textmate.org/pri[…]s6slheb2at8u9yqsa
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14:02	imarcusthis	tadzik: unless it's crack-fueled, could you point me towards a good place to start looking at implementing this?
14:03	tadzik	imarcusthis: looks cool
14:03	pmichaud	...is that valid Perl 6?
14:04	tadzik	pmichaud: what do you mean?
14:04	pmichaud	the use of the colons to denote docs (I think)
14:05	imarcusthis	pmichaud: you mean #= ?
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14:05	tadzik	imarcusthis: look at https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]od/To/Text.pm#L73
14:06	tadzik	imarcusthis: add a few \n there and you're done :)
14:06	pmichaud	nm... I was looking at the output and thinking it was source
14:06	pmichaud	tadzik++ # for setting me straight
14:06	tadzik	imarcusthis: you may need to do s/\s/\n/ in $_.signature somewhat
14:06	pmichaud	and yes, it looks very cool
14:06	jnthn	cd ..
14:06	jnthn	oop
14:06	tadzik	(that's where the subroutine parameters stringification comes from)
14:06	imarcusthis	tadzik: great, thanks. :)
14:06	tadzik	imarcusthis: I really like it, it makes output much more readable
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14:07	tadzik	ohh, you mean to remove Any as well?
14:07	tadzik	and a bit more mangling as I see
14:07	imarcusthis	yes
14:08	moritz	the signature printing improvements would need to go into src/core/Paremeter.pm method perl
14:08	tadzik	can't say I disapprove :) although you may need to reimplement .signature more than just regex-modify it after that
14:08	tadzik	indeed
14:08	imarcusthis	remove Any, remove the ':', rewrite :foo(:$foo)' as :$foo
14:08	dalek	rakudo/nom: 59b31b6 \| pmichaud++ \| tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
14:08	dalek	rakudo/nom: Bump NQP_REVISION to get latest case-insensitive improvements for non-icu environments.
14:08	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/59b31b6365
14:08	moritz	and other parts (error messages, for example) would benefit from an improved Parameter.perl too
14:09	imarcusthis	cool
14:09	tadzik	imarcusthis: erm, remove which ':'? The very leading one?>
14:09	imarcusthis	tadzik: no, the one I replace with \n
14:09	tadzik	oh, sure
14:10	tadzik	but that's just Pod::To::Text, no Signature.perl itself
14:10	tadzik	but it's a good idea indeed
14:13	dalek	nqp: 7cd7557 \| pmichaud++ \| tools/build/PARROT_REVISION:
14:13	dalek	nqp: Revert PARROT_REVISION to released version; I was a little too eager with the previous bump.
14:13	dalek	nqp:
14:13	dalek	nqp: We can bump PARROT_REVISION later (e.g., after the R* release).
14:13	dalek	nqp: Using the older PARROT_REVISION means that non-ICU users won't
14:13	dalek	nqp: get the Parrot improvements, but we'll still be able to make
14:13	dalek	nqp: releases based on latest Parrot.
14:13	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/7cd7557b5d
14:19	dalek	nqp: ac3e430 \| jonathan++ \| src/6model/reprs/CArray.c:
14:19	dalek	nqp: Need to be lazier about calling fill_repr_data in CArray; last patch made things a bit too eager.
14:19	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/ac3e4307eb
14:21	tadzik	generated using 2 small scripts: http://tjs.azalayah.net/new.html
14:21	tadzik	masak: you may happen to like this :)
14:22	jnthn	сырsly awesome! tadzik++
14:22	tadzik	:)
14:22	masak	tadzik++
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14:26	dalek	perl6-examples: ab8c861 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/hailstone-sequence.pl:
14:26	dalek	perl6-examples: best-of-rosettacode/hailstone-sequence.pl
14:26	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/ab8c861be8
14:30	dalek	perl6-examples: bef4145 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/hailstone-sequence.pl:
14:30	dalek	perl6-examples: best-of-rosettacode/hailstone-sequence.pl
14:30	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/bef4145f0e
14:33	pmichaud	I'm wondering if we should make --stagestats a permanent part of the core.setting compilation step
14:34	pmichaud	It would help to show progress as that (very long) step is taking place
14:35	imarcusthis	pmichaud: sounds useful to me.
14:36	imarcusthis	either that or make it really fast ;-)
14:36	pmichaud	well, the second would be better, yes. But it's taking us a long time to make it really fast. :)
14:37	jnthn	It's not really fast now, but it's faster than it was. :)
14:37	jnthn	I'm curious about the proportions.
14:37	* imarcusthis	has been waiting for it to complete for this entire conversation =)
14:37	jnthn	(how much time we spend in each stage)
14:38	pmichaud	most of it is still in "parse" (which is really "parse" + "create ast" + "BEGIN" + ... )
14:39	jnthn	pmichaud: Well, a lot of it was in the later stages, before we got bs.
14:39	jnthn	(Because we used to make twice as many PAST nodes and thus POST nodes)
14:39	dalek	rakudo/nom: 0d3220f \| pmichaud++ \| tools/build/Makefile.in:
14:39	dalek	rakudo/nom: Make --stagestats a permanent part of the setting compilation, to provide a progress indicator of sorts.
14:39	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/0d3220fb78
14:40	dalek	nqp: 09bf632 \| jonathan++ \| src/6model/reprs/CStruct.c:
14:40	dalek	nqp: Do just enough to make sure serializing modules that declare something with the CStruct REPR should not go awry.
14:40	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/09bf632c1a
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14:41	mucker	o/ #perl6
14:42	tadzik	hello
14:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: 06d40a0 \| moritz++ \| src/core/ (2 files):
14:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: Make backtrace printing more robust
14:42	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/06d40a0196
14:42	icwiener	Hi.
14:43	JimmyZ	aloha
14:43	masak	r: my $m; $m max= 42 => 5
14:43	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \$v, Mu %_!)␤␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:648␤ in sub infix:<==> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2384␤ in sub infix:<cmp> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1256␤ in method max at src/gen/CORE.setting:10…
14:44	fsergot	Is there any solution masak? :)
14:45	masak	r: +(42 => 5)
14:45	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \$v, Mu %_!)␤␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:648␤ in sub prefix:<+> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2192␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/7uPTpOZ4vF:1␤␤»
14:45	moritz	r: my $m = (-Inf) => (-Inf); $m max= 42 => 5; say $m
14:45	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«42 => 5␤»
14:45	masak	oh, it's even simpler.
14:46	masak	moritz: right, there it doesn't numify :)
14:46	masak	but... why would max= numify?
14:46	moritz	yes. "Doctor, it hurts when I numify my pairs" :-)
14:46	masak	yes.
14:46	masak	fsergot++
14:46	* masak	submits rakudobug
14:46	icwiener	I want to include a small test file into one of my test cases. I found "Q :to 'EOT'" for that but when I try to run the test, it complains that "Colons may not be used to delimit quoting constructs". Is the info on http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]s_tablet#heredocs wrong or do I miss something here?
14:47	moritz	icwiener: heredocs simply aren't implemented in Rakudo
14:47	pmichaud	r: my $m; say $m max (42 => 5)
14:47	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«42 => 5␤»
14:48	moritz	icwiener: it tries to parse it as Q<delimiter>...<delimiter>, and then complains that : isn't a valid <delimiter>
14:48	icwiener	moritz: Oh, that explains it. :)
14:48	pmichaud	r: my $m; $m max= (42 => 5)
14:48	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \$v, Mu %_!)␤␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:648␤ in sub infix:<==> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2384␤ in sub infix:<cmp> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1256␤ in method max at src/gen/CORE.setting:10…
14:48	icwiener	icwiener: Yep, makes sense.
14:49	icwiener	icwiener: So I guess I fill in the content line-wise, then?
14:49	imarcusthis	wow, make spits out a lot of warnings now :)
14:49	pmichaud	you can always do Q{ }
14:49	imarcusthis	feels much faster!
14:49	pmichaud	or qq{ }
14:49	icwiener	pmichaud: reading...
14:50	pmichaud	r: say qq{{ this is a string with curlies } that can span multiple lines }}
14:50	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT« this is a string with curlies } that can span multiple lines ␤»
14:51	dalek	perl6-examples: 7f7a7c5 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/hailstone-sequence.pl:
14:51	dalek	perl6-examples: hailstone-sequence.pl works.
14:51	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/7f7a7c5550
14:59	icwiener	pmichaud: But I have to account for stuff that looks like variable names, right?
14:59	pmichaud	if you use qq, yes.
14:59	pmichaud	but you can use q{{ }} if you want to avoid that
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14:59	pmichaud	r: say q{{ This has $var names in it }}
14:59	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT« This has $var names in it ␤»
14:59	JimmyZ	how Perlito/src6 is executed?
14:59	JimmyZ	by using rakudo?
15:00	masak	I believe it's bootstrapping.
15:00	icwiener	pmichaud: Cool, thanks. :)
15:01	JimmyZ	I don't know how to run Perlito/src6 ..
15:07	dalek	rakudo/nom: c89ce89 \| moritz++ \| src/core/Backtrace.pm:
15:07	dalek	rakudo/nom: finally fix masak++'s example of failed error reporting
15:07	dalek	rakudo/nom:
15:07	dalek	rakudo/nom: also use .DEFINITE instead of .defined
15:07	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c89ce89a91
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15:09	tadzik	r: "Everything's fine \o/"
15:09	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\o' at line 1, near "/\""␤»
15:09	tadzik	hehe
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15:12	moritz	r: say -Inf max 'foo'
15:12	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«foo␤»
15:12	moritz	r: say -Inf max 'ZZZ'
15:12	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«ZZZ␤»
15:12	moritz	r: say -Inf max 5 => 5
15:12	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«5 => 5␤»
15:12	masak	r: say (-Inf) but (+Inf) # hee hee
15:12	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«-Inf␤»
15:13	moritz	masak: that just installs a .Num method that return +Inf, or so
15:13	moritz	r: say ((-Inf) but Inf).Num
15:13	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«Inf␤»
15:13	pmichaud	r: say -Inf cmp 42 => 5;
15:13	infosophy	what is an idiomatic way of creating a temporary file for testing file statistics? (modification time etc.)
15:13	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«-1 => 5␤»
15:13	pmichaud	r: say -Inf cmp (42 => 5);
15:13	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«-1␤»
15:14	masak	infosophy: moritz will know more, but...
15:14	masak	infosophy: I think there are a few cases like this in the spectests already.
15:14	pmichaud	say &infix:<cmp>(-Inf, (42=>5))
15:14	masak	there should be a bit of prior art.
15:14	pmichaud	r: say &infix:<cmp>(-Inf, (42=>5))
15:14	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«-1␤»
15:14	moritz	infosophy: currently we just attach $*PID to a temp file name which is specific to that test file
15:14	pmichaud	say (&infix:<max>(), (42=>5)).max
15:14	pmichaud	r: say (&infix:<max>(), (42=>5)).max
15:14	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \$v, Mu %_!)␤␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:648␤ in sub infix:<==> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2384␤ in sub infix:<cmp> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1256␤ in method max at src/gen/CORE.setting:10…
15:15	pmichaud	r: say &infix:<max>()
15:15	p6eval	rakudo 501e40: OUTPUT«-Inf␤»
15:15	moritz	ie a t/03-stats.t would create a temp file 't-03-stats-tmp-' ~ $*PID ~ '.temp' or so
15:15	moritz	wait, we call them temp-03-stats-$*PID.temp
15:15	moritz	but the name doesn't matter much
15:16	infosophy	moritz: gotcha. I'll look for it in the spectests.
15:16	moritz	it's just a good idea to have some hint about which test file it creates
15:16	moritz	so if they are left behind, you know where to investigate
15:17	infosophy	yup. I'll go by the prior art to see where the files are placed (and what cleanup is performed)
15:17	moritz	the cleanup is just try unlink $temp-filename;
15:22	pmichaud	r: say &infix:<cmp>(-Inf, (42 => 5))
15:22	p6eval	rakudo c89ce8: OUTPUT«-1␤»
15:22	pmichaud	r: say &infix:<cmp>((42 => 5), -Inf)
15:22	p6eval	rakudo c89ce8: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \$v, Mu %_!)␤␤ in method Numeric at src/gen/CORE.setting:648␤ in sub infix:<==> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2384␤ in sub infix:<cmp> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1256␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/cljmG63PB1:1␤␤»…
15:22	imarcusthis	re doc, this is what I have now : https://gist.github.com/2437709
15:23	mucker	JimmyZ: I think, this is how bootstrapping works. First you use rakudo to compile src6. But within src6 itself there is a translater for perl6 to perl5. So after the initial rakudo bit, we no longer need rakudo. After getting the first compiler using rakudo, I beleive, fglock generated used it to generate the perl6 to perl5 compiler. It's get's really hairy after that because if new perl5 compiler can be used to parse perl6 too ! You can see the util-perl5
15:23	mucker	directory to see the bootstraping procedure
15:23	tadzik	imarcusthis: awesome!
15:23	moritz	imarcusthis++
15:23	moritz	there's still a tiny problem
15:23	tadzik	imarcusthis: not doing \n inside parameter list after all?
15:23	imarcusthis	not sure how I can reformat the whitespace in the method signatures, maybe just use a subst in the pod.
15:24	moritz	Callable &cb actually means a Callable (implied by the &) which returns a Callable
15:24	tadzik	imarcusthis: well, how did you modify them?
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15:24	fglock	hi
15:24	phenny	fglock: 20 Apr 23:51Z <japhb_> tell fglock rc-forest-fire now works with perlito5.pl, and quite quickly too. However, for perlito5.js, it gets through the compile but dies at runtime (after printing the starting map) with this error: Warning: TypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'next'
15:24	phenny	fglock: 20 Apr 23:54Z <japhb_> tell fglock And you might have thought it succeeded too fast to see because you supplied no arguments telling it forest size and iteration count. The tested command is: node perlito5.js -Isrc5/lib /path/to/perl6-bench/perl5/rc-forest-fire 30 20 100
15:24	phenny	fglock: 20 Apr 23:55Z <japhb_> tell fglock er ... "30 20 10"
15:24	imarcusthis	moritz: you mean it should drop Callable as well because it's already implied by '&'?
15:25	imarcusthis	tadzik: I'm not modifying the list yet, just the individual elements.
15:25	mucker	fglock :)
15:25	moritz	imarcusthis yes
15:25	moritz	imarcusthis: as well as 'Positional' for @ and 'Assocative' for %
15:27	dalek	nqp/toqast: 29da48d \| jonathan++ \| / (3 files):
15:27	dalek	nqp/toqast: Stub in QAST::Block and QAST::Stmts.
15:27	dalek	nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/29da48de2b
15:27	fglock	re bootstrap, the initial bootstrap was done by translating p6 to p5 by hand
15:27	tadzik	imarcusthis: I see
15:27	tadzik	imarcusthis: so digging in Parameter.pm, right?
15:28	imarcusthis	tadzik: yes
15:28	tadzik	cool
15:28	tadzik	fglock: Knuth style ;)
15:28	mucker	fglock: wicked
15:29	masak	https://github.com/petdance/vim-perl
15:29	dalek	perl6-examples: 80e1d29 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| other/combinations.pl:
15:29	dalek	perl6-examples: masak++ \'s combinations solution.
15:29	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/80e1d29915
15:31	fglock	the original file was called iterator_engine, there is a copy in feather at /home/fglock/iterator_engine
15:32	fglock	there is a long README and a TODO list :)
15:33	dalek	perl6-examples: 9a1be5b \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| README:
15:33	dalek	perl6-examples: Added other dir.
15:33	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/9a1be5bf65
15:34	fglock	"2006-02-26: - working Perl 6 compiler - about 100 lines of code are now written in perl6" - that's 6 years ago
15:36	imarcusthis	re hot norwegian chicks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]d613aRVAAAAAAAAAg
15:37	fglock	re running src6 - README-perlito6 has instructions on how to transform src6 into runnable code (p5, python, or js)
15:38	fglock	src6 should eventually be runnable by rakudo or niecza, I think
15:40	jaffa4	fglock: do you accept some advice?
15:41	fglock	yes, please
15:42	fglock	re no method 'next': probably because next LABEL is not implemented yet in js
15:46	tadzik	new, more descriptive contents on http://tjs.azalayah.net/new.html Does anyone have any ideas which boxes should end up being yellow rather than red?
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15:51	fglock	jaffa4: what is the advice?
15:51	jaffa4	private window?
15:52	imarcusthis	Hmm, seems there is no $SIG_ELEM_CALLABLE_SIGIL
15:52	jaffa4	fglock: can you see what?
15:53	jaffa4	what -> that
15:54	fglock	no, let me login using irssi
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15:55	imarcusthis	moritz: seems you cannot check for '&' sigil in Parameter.pm at the moment.
15:56	dalek	ecosystem: cc1b79f \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| META.list:
15:56	dalek	ecosystem: Text::Markdown
15:56	dalek	ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosy[…]commit/cc1b79fd06
15:56	moritz	imarcusthis: wow, indeed
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15:56	imarcusthis	moritz: guess it would have to be added to World.pm
15:57	moritz	imarcusthis: maybe you can use self.name.substr(0, 1) eq '&'
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15:57	moritz	imarcusthis: though it's something we should discuss with jnthn++ at some point
15:57	moritz	it feels oddly asymmetric, but maybe there's a good reason ($, % and @ muck with itemness, & does not)
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15:59	fglock	jaffa4: can you try again
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16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: bd9bf92 \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| / (4 files):
16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: Two new niecza-only examples from fsergot++
16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/bd9bf92653
16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: af51ac7 \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| / (3 files):
16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master'
16:07	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/af51ac7e36
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16:34	krunen	Pizza is served!
16:35	tadzik	\o/
16:36	cognominal_	bon apétit
16:37	cognominal_	G grand. a petit # pun
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16:42	cognominal_	what is a OwnedHash?
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16:54	tadzik	haha
16:54	tadzik	3rd time this question is asked :)
16:54	tadzik	http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-04-20#i_5470326
16:54	tadzik	cognominal_: ^
16:55	cognominal_	sorry, I failed to backlog even if I watch the patch comming by
16:55	tadzik	seen colomon?
16:55	aloha	colomon was last seen in #perl6 1 days ago saying "Ulti: I think so. (Not my area, but if no one else is answering...)".
16:56	cognominal_	tadzik++
16:56	tadzik	phenny: tell colomon Math::Polynomial hangs on one of its tests
16:56	phenny	tadzik: I'll pass that on when colomon is around.
16:56	colomon	?
16:56	phenny	colomon: 16:56Z <tadzik> tell colomon Math::Polynomial hangs on one of its tests
16:56	tadzik	hah
16:57	colomon	which compiler?
16:57	* masak	.oO( Yapsi )
16:58	tadzik	colomon: Rakudo
16:59	colomon	k
17:01	masak	pizza++
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17:13	pmichaud	> my $m; $m max= 42 => 5; say $m
17:13	pmichaud	42 => 5
17:13	pmichaud	masak: ^^
17:13	moritz	\o/
17:15	masak	\o/
17:19	jnthn	ETOOMUCHPIZZA
17:19	* jnthn	feels like a leaning tower of pizza now
17:20	jaffa4	too much pizza no good
17:20	jnthn	oh, it was good ;)
17:21	jaffa4	to your health
17:21	jnthn	I'll live :)
17:21	jnthn	.oO( famous last wrods )
17:21	moritz	you'll die, like all of us :-)
17:21	tadzik	PerlJam: in Grammar-Profiler-Simple META.info source-url is broken
17:21	jaffa4	with stomach burn
17:21	jnthn	moritz: :P
17:23	cognominal_	jnthn will die, but thanks to moritz with a clean stacktrace.
17:23	masak	X::IO::Pizza
17:24	moritz	masak: I hope it's only X::I::Pizza :-)
17:24	masak	it's IO even when you're only doing I :P
17:24	dalek	roast: d9d5118 \| pmichaud++ \| S32-list/sort.t:
17:24	dalek	roast: [S32]: Re-fudge some sort tests with latest infix:<cmp> fixes.
17:24	dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/d9d5118b6c
17:24	dalek	rakudo/nom: 120e95d \| pmichaud++ \| src/core/Any.pm:
17:24	dalek	rakudo/nom: Fix &infix:<cmp>(Any,Any) to use value identity for Inf/-Inf instead of numeric identity.
17:24	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/120e95d537
17:25	jnthn	r: say 647 - 83
17:25	p6eval	rakudo c89ce8: OUTPUT«564␤»
17:27	masak	"QBEGIN" reminded me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q*bert
17:28	tadzik	seen supernovus?
17:28	aloha	supernovus was last seen in #perl6 80 days 17 hours ago saying "No code link yet. I just finished abandoning my Garden template language, which was a monstrosity. So, I'm starting from scratch for this project (currently using the very unoriginal name of Template6)".
17:30	masak	seen Memento?
17:30	aloha	Sorry, I haven't seen Memento.
17:30	tadzik	aloha: shame on you, it's a cool movie
17:30	* masak	.oO( but we saw it yesterday! )
17:31	moritz	sjn: got the confirmation mail. Thanks!
17:32	jaffa4	I have not seen Memonto either
17:34	masak	jaffa4: yes, but... have you seen Memento?
17:34	jaffa4	same answer I did not spell it correctly
17:34	masak	oh, I didn't even see the typo :)
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17:41	sjn	moritz: yay!
17:46	jaffa4	how to upload stuff to panda?
17:47	tadzik	jaffa4: you mean the module repository?
17:47	jaffa4	exactly
17:47	tadzik	oh, we have docs for that. Hold on...
17:47	tadzik	http://wiki.perl6.org/Create%2[…]tribute%20Modules
17:47	moritz	they are hopefully linked on modules.perl6.org :-)
17:47	tadzik	jaffa4: basically, you need a META.info, a git repo, and someone with write access to perl6/ecosystem
17:51	jaffa4	How do I know if I have access to it?
17:51	tadzik	jaffa4: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem where it says HTTP and Git-read-only, does it also say SSH?
17:51	tadzik	if it does, then you have it
17:51	tadzik	imarcusthis: I think there's a bug in your branch
17:51	tadzik	sub _block1685(): Event-driven programming in Perl 6
17:51	tadzik	I think it used to say "module MuEvent: bla bla bla"
17:52	infosophy	am I using the wrong syntax for chmod? chmod 0o000, 'temp-16-filehandles-filestat-39884.temp'
17:52	imarcusthis	tadzik: sweet :)
17:52	tadzik	oh wait
17:52	infosophy	Undefined routine '&chmod' called (line 1)
17:52	imarcusthis	tadzik: it does say module Muevent here
17:52	imarcusthis	still
17:52	tadzik	it looks like I'm still using the old branch or something
17:52	moritz	infosophy: currently only available as a method
17:52	tadzik	must be wrong on mi side, hold on
17:52	infosophy	On IO?
17:52	moritz	infosophy: so $filename.IO.chmod(0o000)
17:52	moritz	yes
17:52	infosophy	thx
17:53	masak	right. I only see the method form.
17:53	tadzik	argh. I did git fetch, but not git checkout :)
17:53	imarcusthis	:D
17:53	masak	maybe the sub form should exist by spec, but I don't see it in Rakudo.
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17:53	infosophy	got fooled by S16-filehandles/chmod.t
17:53	tadzik	anyway, let me review it on your machine :)
17:53	* frettled	got fooled as well
17:53	moritz	infosophy: we don't run that test file at the moment
17:53	frettled	…which is not quite so much to brag about.
17:54	masak	infosophy: t/spectest.data contains the files Rakudo runs.
17:54	jaffa4	tadzik: ok
17:55	krunen	sjn: 3160.38
18:10	masak	oh wow -- http://myusuf3.github.com/octogit/
18:10	masak	I'm a user of this from now on.
18:11	masak	sjn: http://perlcabal.org/syn/
18:18	Ulti	masak can you accept pull requests to the github repo with that?
18:20	dalek	perl6-examples: 0c9beca \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/TODO:
18:20	dalek	perl6-examples: 3 new examples.
18:20	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/0c9beca427
18:20	sergot	sjn: ping :)
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18:23	masak	Ulti: doesn't look it.
18:27	sorear	good * #perlt6
18:27	phenny	sorear: 11:58Z <tadzik> ask sorear any ideas why dalek is not reporting my rakudo commits?
18:28	masak	sorear! \o/
18:30	pmichaud	r: say (:a<42> cmp Inf)
18:30	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«-1␤»
18:30	pmichaud	r: say (:a<42> cmp -Inf)
18:30	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«1␤»
18:30	pmichaud	r: say (-Inf cmp :a<42>)
18:30	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«-1␤»
18:30	pmichaud	r: say (Inf cmp :a<42>)
18:30	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«1␤»
18:31	sorear	tadzik: ping
18:40	frettled	r: my $x="foo"; say "What it is: " ~ $x.WHAT;
18:40	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:670␤␤What it is: ␤»
18:41	frettled	but:
18:41	frettled	r: my $x="foo"; my $y=$x.WHAT; say $y;
18:41	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
18:41	frettled	r: my $x="foo"; my $y=$x.WHAT; say $y ~ " is what it is";
18:41	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:670␤␤ is what it is␤»
18:45	moritz	precompiled MiniDBD::mysql works \o/
18:48	jnthn	OMG FINALLY \O/
18:48	dalek	nqp/toqast: 3ccdf9e \| jonathan++ \| / (11 files):
18:48	dalek	nqp/toqast: Get the various QAST nodes we have stubbed in and start to fill some of them out.
18:48	dalek	nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/3ccdf9eeea
18:49	tadzik	sorear: pong
18:50	sorear	tadzik: how do you commit to rakudo?
18:51	tadzik	sorear: git push
18:51	tadzik	well, commit
18:51	frettled	hm
18:51	sorear	to what repo?
18:51	tadzik	rakudo/rakudo, nom branch
18:51	frettled	r: my $x="foo"; say "What it is: " ~ $x.WHAT.perl;
18:51	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«What it is: Str␤»
18:51	frettled	Now that works.
18:51	sorear	I would guess that maybe nobody updated the push address for rakudo
18:51	tadzik	for example https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]ommit/626ef2a8fe6
18:51	sorear	can you use the Admin tab?
18:51	tadzik	sorear: it reports everyone else, just not me
18:51	tadzik	nope
18:52	moritz	sorear: but other rakudo commits are reported fine
18:52	sorear	wha
18:52	tadzik	aye
18:52	tadzik	the only special thing about me is the "ś" in my name, maybe that affects something
18:53	sorear	.oO( You could try removing that and see what happens )
18:54	tadzik	yeah, well
18:54	* masak	dubs tadzik "Teddy"
18:54	masak	did it help? :)
18:54	tadzik	tail amputation
18:54	sorear	tadzik: when did you push your last comitt?
18:54	colomon	r: say Str.WHAT
18:54	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
18:54	tadzik	sorear: 8 hours ago
18:54	colomon	r: say ~Str
18:54	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Str in string context in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:670␤␤␤»
18:55	colomon	r: say Str.WHAT.perl
18:55	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str␤»
18:55	colomon	r: class X { }; say X.new.WHAT.perl
18:55	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«X␤»
18:55	colomon	r: class Y::X { }; say Y::X.new.WHAT.perl
18:55	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Y::X␤»
18:55	colomon	:\
18:59	sorear	tadzik: github doesn't seem to have sent dalek any push packets containing the string doc=HTML
18:59	sorear	I haven't a clue
19:00	tadzik	huh
19:00	tadzik	so maybe github's failing with my name
19:00	tadzik	hold on, I'll be pushing imarcusthis' commits in a minute
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: 9b16150 \| (Marcus Ramberg)++ \| / (2 files):
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: Reformat --doc output
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/9b161509c6
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: 43445e5 \| (Marcus Ramberg)++ \| / (2 files):
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: Fix method stringification in Pod::To::Text, fix slurpy star in Parameter.perl
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/43445e515e
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: 21325bb \| (Marcus Ramberg)++ \| src/core/Parameter.pm:
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: Remove typo in paramter and cleanup
19:02	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/21325bb2cd
19:02	tadzik	yeah, must be my name
19:02	* masak	hugs tadzik's "ś"
19:03	masak	ś: don't ever change. you're beautiful just the way you are.
19:03	colomon	r: say Str.WHAT.WHAT
19:03	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
19:03	colomon	r: say Str
19:03	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
19:03	tadzik	r: say .WHAT.WHAT.WHAT for "what was that word young man!?"
19:03	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
19:05	masak	r: sub the { @_ }; class Butt {}; .WHAT.WHAT given the Butt
19:05	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: ( no output )
19:05	colomon	r: class X { method perl() { self.WHAT; }; }; say X.perl
19:05	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«X()␤»
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19:05	colomon	r: class X { method perl() { self.WHAT.perl; }; }; say X.perl
19:05	colomon	n: class X { method perl() { self.WHAT.perl; }; }; say X.perl
19:06	colomon	guess it's consistent.
19:06	p6eval	rakudo 120e95: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
19:06	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
19:06	tadzik	http://myusuf3.github.com/octogit/ looks cool
19:07	frettled	colomon: fun, eh?
19:07	colomon	frettled: that used to work fine in Rakudo. Now it's an infinite loop.
19:08	colomon	tadzik: Math::Polynomial should work fine now.
19:08	tadzik	colomon++, great
19:08	tadzik	we can now automagically smoketest ALL THE MODULES :)
19:09	colomon	\o/
19:10	colomon	what are you using?
19:10	tadzik	colomon: http://tjs.azalayah.net/new.html is generated using a single perl 6 script :)
19:10	masak	tadzik++!
19:10	tadzik	I'll push it to the panda repo right away
19:10	colomon	OMG, the graphic is fantastic!
19:10	tadzik	oh, those are outdated a bit
19:11	tadzik	(not the graphics)
19:12	frettled	is that shopped? ;)
19:12	tadzik	no, not at all
19:12	tadzik	list updated
19:12	masak	no, he actually has wings on his head.
19:12	dalek	rakudo/nom: cf19ce4 \| moritz++ \| / (2 files):
19:12	dalek	rakudo/nom: update docs/running.pod and perl6 --help output
19:12	dalek	rakudo/nom:
19:12	dalek	rakudo/nom: --ll-backtrace is now --ll-exception. Add --profile
19:12	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/cf19ce4f97
19:12	tadzik	like, where do I get photoshop for linux? :)
19:12	moritz	gimpshopped!
19:12	tadzik	shush!
19:12	tadzik	it's original!
19:12	tadzik	(genuine?)
19:13	colomon	tadzik: now you need to have it smoke under both Rakudo and Niecza...
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: edf2e0d \| (Geir Amdal)++ \| src/core/IO.pm:
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: added stat times (modified/changed/accessed) for IO
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/edf2e0d5d7
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: 631d8ab \| moritz++ \| src/core/IO.pm:
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: Merge from gam/nom
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom:
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: added stat times (modified/changed/accessed) for IO
19:13	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/631d8abe26
19:13	tadzik	colomon: colomon that's a single-line change if Panda can run on niecz
19:13	tadzik	-a
19:14	colomon	ooooo
19:14	sorear	Whose head is that?
19:14	tadzik	Camelia's
19:14	tadzik	:)
19:14	frettled	Tadzelia
19:14	tadzik	spunky little brother
19:15	masak	but still carrying the high ideals.
19:15	sorear	My super-sensitive decision procedures think that head is more likely to belong to a human than a butterfly.
19:15	frettled	What's the spectest for that?
19:16	masak	tadzik: now where was that picture with the man with the expression? :)
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom: d7b76d9 \| moritz++ \| tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom: bump NQP revision
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom:
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom: now MiniDBD::mysql finally works with precompiled modules.
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom: Time to celabrate!
19:16	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/d7b76d9b20
19:16	masak	tadzik: "you don't say?"
19:16	masak	:)
19:16	tadzik	:)
19:17	sorear	colomon: my gut told me grammars should be anchored on both ends. I guess spec compatibility requires removing the right anchor?
19:17	frettled	n: my $x="foo"; say "What it is: " ~ $x.WHAT;
19:17	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«What it is: ␤»
19:18	colomon	sorear: I don't really know. Both ways make above equal amounts of sense to me.
19:18	colomon	sorear: well, I might even prefer your way.
19:18	frettled	n: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT;
19:18	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str()␤»
19:19	colomon	sorear: but some of the old ABC tests assumed the Rakudo way.
19:19	frettled	n: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT.perl ~ " what";
19:19	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str what␤»
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: fdba789 \| jonathan++ \| src/QAST/Op.nqp:
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: We'll just spell pasttype as op now. Now that'll save some keystrokes...
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/fdba78924c
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: 6b5c556 \| jonathan++ \| src/QAST/ (2 files):
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: Fill out QAST::Var and QAST::Block a little.
19:23	dalek	nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/6b5c556e7c
19:25	masak	today sergot++ and I published two modules: Text::Markdown, which does simple Markdown parsing (italics, bold, inline code, paragraphs), and Sambal, which builds a PDF presentation using a simple DSL-y syntax. Sambal has Text::Markdown as a dependency, so you can format your text with Markdown.
19:25	jnthn	najs
19:25	jnthn	masak++, sergot++
19:25	moritz	masak++, sergot++
19:25	jnthn	Are they on modules.perl6.org>
19:26	masak	here's the general idea for Sambal: https://gist.github.com/2173720
19:26	masak	Text::Markdown is on there. Sambal will be soon.
19:26	sorear	What happened to fsergot?
19:27	jnthn	.oO( Decided to "f" off )
19:27	tadzik	oh, he changed his name for the 3rd time :)
19:27	masak	sergot reports that the nick change was due to pronunciation considerations.
19:27	tadzik	it's like with my ś
19:27	moritz	decided to dynamically typecast? :-)
19:27	masak	but ś is so easy to pronounce...
19:27	tadzik	heh. Hearing people saying tad-zik makes me see why people have issues with nie-cza
19:28	masak	yeah!
19:28	masak	both are dead easy to pronounce.
19:28	moritz	so easy that you drop dead if you try? :-)
19:28	tadzik	it's that people literally say 'dz' rather than the sound-y thing, like in "dź"
19:30	moritz	r: say $*VM.elems
19:30	p6eval	rakudo 21325b: OUTPUT«2␤»
19:30	moritz	r: say $*VM.keys
19:30	p6eval	rakudo 21325b: OUTPUT«name config␤»
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19:34	dalek	perl6-examples: fdeb067 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/TODO:
19:34	dalek	perl6-examples: New examples in TODO list.
19:34	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/fdeb067bb5
19:34	frettled	tadzik: and now you know why my nick is "frettled" and not "jingvoldstad" or somesuch ;)
19:35	tadzik	heh, right :)
19:35	masak	jingvoldwhat?
19:36	frettled	Mnemonic: Ing(en) vold i stad(en), which works in several Scandinavian languages.
19:36	frettled	…got English outnumbered by at least three to one!
19:36	masak	:D
19:36	sergot	sjn: ping
19:37	sjn	ping
19:37	sjn	oops.
19:37	sjn	pong
19:37	frettled	Oh dear, you know the example code you're looking at is slightly old when it sayd:
19:37	frettled	says
19:37	frettled	./pugs -e "say 1+1"; # 2
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19:37	masak	p: say 1+1
19:37	p6eval	pugs: OUTPUT«2␤»
19:37	jnthn	r: say 1 + 1
19:37	p6eval	rakudo 21325b: OUTPUT«2␤»
19:38	masak	frettled: no, that's still so. :)
19:38	jnthn	Still works :)
19:38	frettled	I was thinking more that it naturally assumed ./pugs over ./perl6
19:39	colomon	The following step can take a long time, please be patient.
19:39	colomon	./perl6 --setting=NULL --optimize=3 --target=pir --stagestats --output=src/gen/CORE.setting.pir src/gen/CORE.setting
19:39	colomon	make: *** [CORE.setting.pbc] Segmentation fault
19:39	colomon	:(
19:39	moritz	phenny: "ingen vold i staden"?
19:39	phenny	moritz: "no vold in the city" (sv to en, translate.google.com)
19:39	moritz	phenny: no en "vold"?
19:39	phenny	moritz: "violence" (no to en, translate.google.com)
19:40	tadzik	colomon: sooner that you'd expect! :)
19:40	masak	phenny: no en "ingen vold i staden"?
19:40	phenny	masak: "no violence instead" (no to en, translate.google.com)
19:40	frettled	ouch
19:40	masak	Google Translate needs to learn Norwegian properly.
19:43	* moritz	too
19:46	krunen	phenny: no en "ingen vold i stedet"?
19:46	phenny	krunen: "no violence instead" (no to en, translate.google.com)
19:48	frettled	Hmm.
19:48	frettled	Am I correct in guessing that in order to get the output of .WHAT, I need to use .WHAT.gist?
19:48	masak	phenny: sv en "inget våld i städet"?
19:48	phenny	masak: "no violence in the anvil" (sv to en, translate.google.com)
19:48	masak	:D
19:49	masak	the anvil appreciates not being beaten up, for once.
20:03	frettled	n: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT.gist ~ ' what what';
20:03	p6eval	niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str() what what␤»
20:03	frettled	r: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT.gist ~ ' what what';
20:03	p6eval	rakudo 21325b: OUTPUT«Str() what what␤»
20:04	frettled	So I suppose I could substitute .WHAT.gist for nearly every use of .WHAT in https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]00introduction.pl
20:05	frettled	pugs: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT.gist ~ ' what what';
20:05	p6eval	pugs: OUTPUT«Str what what␤»
20:05	frettled	pugs: my $x="foo"; say $x.WHAT ~ ' what what';
20:05	p6eval	pugs: OUTPUT«Str what what␤»
20:05	frettled	hrm.
20:05	frettled	not quite, should probably use .WHAT.perl, but that feels wrong sortof
20:06	masak	p6: say Str.^name
20:06	p6eval	pugs, rakudo 21325b, niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str␤»
20:06	masak	frettled: ^^
20:06	frettled	aha
20:06	masak	simpler :)
20:06	frettled	p6: my $x="foo"; say $x.^name ~ ' what what';
20:06	p6eval	pugs, rakudo 21325b, niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«Str what what␤»
20:06	frettled	excellentium, masak++
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20:07	moritz	r: say 'WHAT?'.^name
20:07	p6eval	rakudo 21325b: OUTPUT«Str␤»
20:07	masak	also, don't concatenate arguments of a say :) we premature optimizers get fidgety :)
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: e6f1005 \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/ (6 files):
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: Update pot and add v6 requirements
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/e6f1005ce3
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: 38cded4 \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/TODO:
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master'
20:08	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/38cded4f51
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20:10	sergot	sjn++
20:10	frettled	masak: why not?
20:11	masak	frettled: because `say "foo", "bar", "baz"` and `say "foo" ~ "bar" ~ "baz"` look the same on the screen, but the latter allocates less memory and is faster.
20:11	masak	er, the former, I mean.
20:12	frettled	aha
20:12	frettled	I'll amend the examples for that as well, then.
20:12	masak	\o/ ++frettled
20:13	jnthn	i'D HOPE that the second gets constant folded soon though :)
20:15	dalek	perl6-examples: 441c07f \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/TODO:
20:15	dalek	perl6-examples: bug...
20:15	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/441c07f440
20:15	jnthn	multi postfix:<++>("foo") { "bar" }
20:15	masak	:P
20:15	tadzik	r: multi postfix:<++>("foo") { "bar" } say "foo"++
20:15	masak	nom: multi postfix:<++>("foo") { "bar" }; say "foo"++
20:15	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/bOXeactxs8:1␤»
20:15	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«bar␤»
20:15	masak	\o/
20:16	moritz	r: class FooStr is Str { method succ() { self.index('foo').defined ?? self.subst(:g, 'foo', 'bar') !! nextsame } }; my $s = nqp::box('somefoo', FooStr); $s++; say $s
20:16	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized nqp:: opcode 'nqp::box' at line 1, near "; $s++; sa"␤»
20:16	moritz	r: class FooStr is Str { method succ() { self.index('foo').defined ?? self.subst(:g, 'foo', 'bar') !! nextsame } }; my $s = nqp::box_s('somefoo', FooStr); $s++; say $s
20:16	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«somebar␤»
20:16	frettled	gazonk.foo
20:17	moritz	r: class FooStr is Str { method succ() { self.index('foo').defined ?? self.subst(:g, 'foo', 'bar') !! nextsame } }; my $s = FooStr.new('foobar'); $s++; say $s
20:17	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«Default constructor only takes named arguments␤ in method new at src/gen/CORE.setting:560␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/lwGylcl_Sy:1␤␤»
20:25	krunen	masak: say "foo"~"bar" may be faster if using unbuffered io over RFC1149
20:27	masak	krunen: :D
20:27	masak	I had a feeling which RFC that would be even before I looked...
20:28	tadzik	oh, this one
20:28	tadzik	...I suppose
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20:31	moritz	http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/per[…]athon-report.html # I blug
20:34	sergot	moritz++
20:35	dalek	roast: 6e66bc7 \| moritz++ \| S04-declarations/state.t:
20:35	dalek	roast: unfudge passing TODO tests
20:35	dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/6e66bc7c4e
20:35	masak	moritz++
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20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: 99e14ad \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/ (6 files):
20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: Update titles, add use v6, fix links, add pod
20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/99e14ad690
20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: 6f30b8e \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/TODO:
20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master'
20:36	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/6f30b8ecf1
20:39	pmichaud	What version of Perl should we indicate that Rakudo implements (i.e., in $*PERL<ver>) ?
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20:40	tadzik	r: say "6.0.0".prev
20:40	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«Method 'prev' not found for invocant of class 'Str'␤ in block <anon> at /tmp/vEtkBcc9Nk:1␤␤»
20:40	jnthn	6.0ish
20:40	jnthn	;)
20:41	pmichaud	r: say "6.0.0".pred
20:41	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«5.0.0␤»
20:42	pmichaud	Ummm..... no.
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20:43	dalek	perl6-examples: 48cd5de \| (Salve J. Nilsen)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/README:
20:43	dalek	perl6-examples: Say few words about what this directory is about
20:43	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/48cd5de8a0
20:43	masak	pmichaud++ # :D
20:43	sjn	r: say v6.0.0.pred; # :)
20:43	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/t2DL0RdGWe:1␤»
20:44	sjn	r: say "v6.0.0".pred; # :-o
20:44	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«v5.0.0␤»
20:44	sjn	meh
20:45	pmichaud	yes, seems like we need to implement the Version type (src/core/Version.pm)
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: 889f983 \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/balanced-brackets.pl:
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: balanced-brakets.pl
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/889f983003
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: f8abe2c \| (Filip Sergot)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/ (7 files):
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:perl6/perl6-examples
20:47	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/f8abe2c8f1
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20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: 4d613ec \| (Jan Ingvoldstad)++ \| cookbook/01strings/01-00introduction.pl:
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: Replaced "pugs" with "perl6"
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/4d613ec521
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: 38621c4 \| (Jan Ingvoldstad)++ \| cookbook/01strings/01-00introduction.pl:
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: Replaced erroneous use of .WHAT with .^name, also replaced concatenation of say's arguments with comma-separated list (currently better practice due to performance). Cleaned up minor whitespace thingies in the same examples.
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/38621c4464
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: c7658f1 \| (Jan Ingvoldstad)++ \| cookbook/01strings/01-00introduction.pl:
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: Rearranged things a bit, changed examples for concatenation and display, and tried to re-categorize a bit
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/c7658f1b19
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: 86ca520 \| (Jan Ingvoldstad)++ \| best-of-rosettacode/ (10 files):
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:perl6/perl6-examples
20:51	dalek	perl6-examples: review: https://github.com/perl6/perl6[…]commit/86ca52011e
20:52	tadzik	can you think of any way how I could print $?USAGE from actions.pm?
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20:52	tadzik	($*W.symbol_lookup(['$?USAGE'], $/) gives me a Capture[0xfoo
20:53	dalek	rakudo/nom: 5d7626b \| pmichaud++ \| / (3 files):
20:53	dalek	rakudo/nom: Revise $*PERL variable a bit.
20:53	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/5d7626bee2
20:53	pmichaud	5d7626b isn't exactly what we discussed here in Oslo; I left the compiler information as $PERL<compiler> for now instead of creating a $COMPILER variable.
20:53	jnthn	tadzik: You're confusing symbol_lookup and find_symbol, I think.
20:54	frettled	jnthn: 6.0ish would be nice, except that version compare would show it as always greater than 6.0.$whatever :)
20:55	frettled	.oO(Would 6.0.-ish work?)
20:56	tadzik	jnthn: mebbe :) I just saw that Actions.pm uses symbol_lookup in lots of places when it looks up $?CLASS
20:57	jnthn	tadzik: That means "generate code to do the lookup"
20:57	tadzik	okay
20:57	tadzik	so I could past::call that, si?
20:57	jnthn	find_symbol gives you the actual looked up value
20:57	jnthn	tadzik: call it?
20:58	jnthn	tadzik: Isn't $?USAGE the tring message?
20:58	jnthn	*string
20:58	tadzik	it's a String, yes
20:58	tadzik	but it's in Main.pm as my $?USAGE=gen-usage()
20:58	jnthn	ah
20:58	tadzik	so it's lazy-ish?
20:58	pmichaud	actually, 6.0ish would be treated like 6.0.ish. Perhaps 6.0.0ish would work, though.
20:58	jnthn	What are you trying to do with it?
20:58	pmichaud	6.0.0 would end up sorting after 6.0.0ish
20:58	tadzik	jnthn: say it
20:58	pmichaud	(at least if I'm reading S02 correctly)
20:58	jnthn	tadzik: When?
20:59	tadzik	like, Past::Op(:pasttype<call> :name<&say>)
20:59	tadzik	jnthn: in DOC INIT
20:59	jnthn	oh
20:59	frettled	pmichaud: hmm, that breaks with version parsing in other thingies than Perl 6, heh :)
20:59	jnthn	PAST::Op.new(:pasttype('call'), :name('&say'), ...the symbol lookup...)
20:59	tadzik	right
20:59	jnthn	should do it
21:00	pmichaud	> say $*PERL<compiler>.perl
21:00	pmichaud	{"name" => "rakudo", "ver" => "2012.04-42-g5d7626b", "release-number" => "51", "build-date" => "2012-04-21T20:47:05Z", "codename" => "Brazos Valley"}
21:00	dalek	nqp/toqast: d16bf96 \| jonathan++ \| src/QAST/Compiler.nqp:
21:00	dalek	nqp/toqast: Start sketching out compilation of some more of the nodes in QAST::Compiler.
21:00	dalek	nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d16bf964de
21:00	tadzik	pmichaud: cool
21:01	tadzik	jnthn: bah, that gives me Could not find symbol '$?USAGE'
21:01	tadzik	whereas it works then I do say($*W.find...(...)) in Actions.pm
21:01	jnthn	:S
21:01	tadzik	my face exactly
21:01	jnthn	tadzik: are you doing it too late?
21:01	frettled	pmichaud++ - nice!
21:01	tadzik	hrm, no eye deer
21:01	jnthn	Like, after $*UNIT was popped off in comp_unit
21:02	tadzik	it's in a new lexpad, but not much else I suppose
21:02	tadzik	okay, paste coming
21:03	tadzik	jnthn: https://gist.github.com/2439577
21:04	pmichaud	r: sub xyz( :f($foo) ) { ... }; say &xyz.signature.perl
21:04	p6eval	rakudo d7b76d: OUTPUT«:($foo)␤»
21:04	pmichaud	^^^ that's a regression
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21:11	sorear	pmichaud: so I'm thinking that at least for consistency's sake it would be best to remove Niecza's automatic end anchor in Grammar.parse
21:12	masak	huh? why?
21:12	masak	I feel I've missed the beginning of this discussion.
21:12	* masak	backlogs
21:12	pmichaud	or to see if we can get Rakudo to add it, if that feature is still spec (and deserving to be spec)
21:13	tadzik	pmichaud: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]33adb2698d#L1L153
21:15	sorear	masak: there isn't really a beginning, it's been going on forever ;)
21:15	sorear	I think the spec is silent
21:15	sorear	to me, it's self-evident that a grammar should match the entire input, not some prefix
21:16	sorear	to other people, including ones who write tests for roast and ones who implement Rakudo, it's the other way
21:16	pmichaud	the spec is not completely silent
21:16	masak	sorear: IMHU Rakudo simply doesn't do it yet.
21:16	sorear	imh..u?
21:16	pmichaud	smart matching against a regex, token, or rule (directly) causes both ends to be anchored
21:17	geekosaur	understanding?
21:17	pmichaud	i.e., 'abc' ~~ regex { \w+ } is supposed to have implicit anchors, per spec
21:17	masak	yes, "understanding".
21:18	masak	to me, the question has always been "where does this extra anchoring magic reside?". I guess the answer is "in .parse"
21:18	pmichaud	I think the spec is somewhat silent on Grammar.parse
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21:20	pmichaud	certainly I think there needs to be a way to do .parse that doesn't force anchoring
21:20	pmichaud	otherwise you simply end up with "failed match", or you have to make sure your regex includes something like .*
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21:22	masak	what's the value of a s/// expression?
21:23	masak	p6: $_ = '[[[][]][]]'; say s/'[]'//
21:23	p6eval	rakudo 5d7626: OUTPUT«[[[]][]]␤»
21:23	p6eval	..pugs: OUTPUT«<Subst>␤»
21:23	p6eval	..niecza v16-23-gaa61ed5: OUTPUT«True␤»
21:23	masak	lol
21:24	masak	fwiw, I'm with Niecza until I get more of the backstory here.
21:32	pmichaud	after reading S05, I'm with Niecza also
21:33	masak	TimToady: does a s/// expression evaluate to a boolean representing True iff it matched?
21:35	pmichaud	afk here -- time to close down hackathon for the night
21:36	pmichaud	more hacking tomorrow!
21:36	TimToady	a s/// should return the number of times it matched, I think, which without :g is 0 or 1
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21:37	TimToady	but it doesn't need to be a Bool
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21:38	masak	ooh
21:38	masak	yes, that's probably even better.
21:38	TimToady	and there's prior art :)
21:39	masak	p5? :)
21:39	TimToady	and 4, and 3...
21:41	jnthn	pmichaud says that .subst, which s/// uses, doesn't give us the number of matches, or even if anything matched
21:41	TimToady	well, he should stop saying that :)
21:41	masak	and there are recent rumors that pmichaud is not susceptible to torment any more... :)
21:41	jnthn	"see, I told you!"
21:42	jnthn	Pm wants to know if there's anything else he should stop saying :P
21:42	masak	the room just got colder...
21:43	* masak	sleep &
21:43	jnthn	indeed
21:43	jnthn	'nighty night o/
21:43	TimToady	hypothermia?
21:43	sergot	o/
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22:40	pmichaud	back at hotel :)
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23:24	sorear	yay.

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