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| 00:13 |
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diakopter |
TimToady: there is a test in the test suite that does this: |
| 00:13 |
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diakopter |
r: ('a', 'b', { $^a ~ 'x', $^a ~ $^b, $^b ~ 'y' } ... *)[^11].join(' ') |
| 00:13 |
|
p6eval |
rakudo b057f6: ( no output ) |
| 00:13 |
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diakopter |
r: say ('a', 'b', { $^a ~ 'x', $^a ~ $^b, $^b ~ 'y' } ... *)[^11].join(' ') |
| 00:13 |
|
p6eval |
rakudo b057f6: OUTPUT«a b ax ab by abx abby byy abbyx abbybyy byyy abbybyyx abbybyybyyy byyyy abbybyybyyyx abbybyybyyybyyyy byyyyy abbybyybyyybyyyyx abbybyybyyybyyyybyyyyy byyyyyy abbybyybyyybyyyybyyyyyx abbybyybyyybyyyybyyyyybyyyyyy byyyyyyy abbybyybyyybyyyybyyyyybyyyyyyx abbybyybyyyby… |
| 00:13 |
|
diakopter |
when I add a flat to the beginning: |
| 00:13 |
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diakopter |
r: say flat('a', 'b', { $^a ~ 'x', $^a ~ $^b, $^b ~ 'y' } ... *)[^11].join(' ') |
| 00:13 |
|
p6eval |
rakudo b057f6: OUTPUT«a b ax ab by abx abby byy abbyx abbybyy byyy» |
| 00:14 |
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diakopter |
it DWIM |
| 00:14 |
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diakopter |
should the flat be part of the test? or should it work as written? |
| 00:16 |
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diakopter |
niecza: say ('a', 'b', { $^a ~ 'x', $^a ~ $^b, $^b ~ 'y' } ... *)[^11].join(' ') #does the right thing |
| 00:16 |
|
p6eval |
niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«a b ax ab by abx abby byy abbyx abbybyy byyy» |
| 00:16 |
|
diakopter |
is niecza right to have them flattened? |
| 00:18 |
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diakopter |
(niecza passes the test) |
| 00:20 |
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sorear |
dunno. |
| 00:20 |
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sorear |
someone added the test so I changed niecza's behavior to conform to it |
| 00:21 |
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diakopter |
oh |
| 00:21 |
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TimToady |
it should not need the flat |
| 00:22 |
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TimToady |
... is supposed to imply it |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:23 |
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Teratogen |
mithril! all folk desire it! |
| 00:24 |
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TimToady |
I dunno, Bilbo gave his away |
| 00:25 |
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Teratogen |
to Frodo |
| 00:25 |
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sorear |
Teratogen: you're being unfunny again |
| 00:29 |
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| 00:29 |
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raiph |
hi all |
| 00:31 |
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sorear |
hello, raiph. |
| 00:31 |
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raiph |
i just did a forgiveness > permission complete rewrite of the front page of wiki.perl6.org. a "wfm" or 2 (or u rascal) is probably in order |
| 00:31 |
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raiph |
hi sorear |
| 00:32 |
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raiph |
this is in prep for a meta discussion of perl6 doc. |
| 00:34 |
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raiph |
(which is itself of course prep for a bunch of writing of actual perl6 doc, in my case something i intend to help with over the next couple years.) |
| 00:34 |
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diakopter |
parsing/compiling rakudo's setting takes about 6% longer with the latest s/pir::/nqp::/ changes |
| 00:35 |
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sorear |
do we really need a link for Wiki? |
| 00:36 |
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sorear |
and... not c2.com? |
| 00:36 |
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sorear |
au: I beleive PUGS should just be Pugs. Is this correct? |
| 00:38 |
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sorear |
raiph: I don't see much content in the rewrite ... ? Shouldn't the front page say what P6 is, etc? |
| 00:40 |
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raiph |
sorear: hmm. i thought that was best done by the perl6.org home page, or a commit controlled page linked off that. |
| 00:41 |
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raiph |
sorear: i see the wiki as a dumping ground for bits that haven't gotten formalized and written up nicely somewhere else. i just wanted a tidy dump. |
| 00:41 |
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diakopter |
raiph: I think it shouldn't be viewed that way |
| 00:42 |
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raiph |
diakopter: ok. i'm listening. (and can revert what i did, though i don't think the earlier version was better in the ways sorear just alluded to) |
| 00:42 |
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diakopter |
you can use individual pages of the wiki as dumping ground, but not ones in the main structure of the site. |
| 00:43 |
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raiph |
diakopter: that's what i meant |
| 00:43 |
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diakopter |
oh |
| 00:46 |
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raiph |
diakopter: so Q1 is, is the version I just wrote better than what came before? (http://wiki.perl6.org/Front%20[…]653a39cb8d607eb7) |
| 00:47 |
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diakopter |
I think all of that should be in a separate page called How To Use the Wiki |
| 00:47 |
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diakopter |
linked prominently from the front page |
| 00:50 |
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raiph |
diakopter: "all of that" -- is that a reaction to the old version or the new version? are you suggesting we should not, eg, direct users to "click on ..." etc.? |
| 00:51 |
|
diakopter |
I agree with sorear; the front page should be a very broad overview of Perl 6, with links to articles on History, Design Process, Design Goals, Language specification, etc |
| 00:51 |
|
diakopter |
which version is the one you linked me - new or old? |
| 00:52 |
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raiph |
i agree with the sentiment that we could, mebbe should, assume wiki knowledge. i first bumped into c2 in 1995, so it's definitely old hat to me... |
| 00:53 |
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diakopter |
I think most of the people who will view the site aren't interested in contributing to it |
| 00:53 |
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raiph |
diakopter: the link is the old one |
| 00:53 |
|
diakopter |
oh |
| 00:53 |
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raiph |
diakopter: now it's http://wiki.perl6.org |
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diakopter |
I think your rewrite is fine; I think there needs to be a lot more there though, more prominently at the top |
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diakopter |
and yes, I'm volunteering to contribute :) |
| 01:01 |
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raiph |
diakopter: oh. i know you earlier mentioned you wanted to try plug one of P6's primary weaknesses (the doc situation) |
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raiph |
diakopter: i'm leery of putting in anything but absolutely basic structure, stuff i know I could fill if no one else does. i would hate to see a pile of stubs. |
| 01:04 |
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diakopter |
hm, yeah |
| 01:05 |
|
raiph |
i'm also wanting there to be the proverbial rough consensus, worked out over a few days to ensure most regulars get a voice, about what to do and how to go about it |
| 01:08 |
|
raiph |
but that's just what i want, and i only want it cuz i feel it would be best for P6. |
| 01:08 |
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raiph |
fact is, if you are going to contribute, that's probably more significant than anything else i've thought about |
| 01:09 |
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| 01:09 |
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raiph |
so, modulo my generally anti-authority attitude, mebbe i should put it this way. diakopter: how may i help? |
| 01:10 |
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diakopter |
uh :) |
| 01:11 |
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diakopter |
I'm sorry for sounding authoritarian. :/ |
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diakopter |
s/sounding/being/ |
| 01:20 |
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raiph |
Heh, I didn't think you were sounding let alone being authoritarian... |
| 01:21 |
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raiph |
...yet ;) |
| 01:23 |
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| 01:28 |
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raiph |
i've moved contributing details off the wiki front page to a linked page. and s/PUGS/Pugs/. |
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* [Coke] |
surfaces briefly and tries to bs. |
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| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: 65474a2 | sorear++ | docs/announce.v18: |
| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: s/17/18/g |
| 03:00 |
|
dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/65474a2acb |
| 03:00 |
|
dalek |
niecza: 3133f7f | sorear++ | / (4 files): |
| 03:00 |
|
dalek |
niecza: Update bootstrap to v18 |
| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/3133f7f9fa |
| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: c86e3f0 | sorear++ | FETCH_URL: |
| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: Move bootstrap pointer to github now that that is working again |
| 03:00 |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/c86e3f0b1c |
| 03:00 |
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sorear |
hmm |
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| 03:05 |
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sorear |
I don't get it. |
| 03:05 |
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sorear |
I pushed the latest patch to no-bs |
| 03:05 |
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sorear |
if I make a fresh checkout from git://..../niecza, the fresh checkout has the new patch |
| 03:05 |
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sorear |
but the new patch doesn't show up on the github web interface |
| 03:07 |
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sorear |
if I go to https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]ommit/5a97c38e654, it shows up |
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aesundstrom |
sorear: I just tried your link and got a 404. |
| 03:09 |
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aesundstrom |
sorear: doh! the link included the comma at the end |
| 03:09 |
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aesundstrom |
sorear: it's there |
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(o/ aesundstrom) |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: eb41510 | sorear++ | / (2 files): |
| 04:06 |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: Translate CClass to C# |
| 04:06 |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/eb41510d98 |
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moritz |
diakopter: is there a reason why you make some files in git repos executable? |
| 05:43 |
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phenny |
moritz: 30 May 23:15Z <diakopter> ask moritz please apply my rakudo patch if you want the test I added to stop failing :) |
| 05:43 |
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phenny |
moritz: 30 May 23:17Z <diakopter> ask moritz (or fudge it, of course) |
| 05:43 |
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moritz |
diakopter: for example S03-sequence/basic.t |
| 05:45 |
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sorear |
moritz: iiuc, diakopter uses git on windows, which sets executable bits on all new files |
| 05:45 |
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moritz |
but that wasn't a new file |
| 05:45 |
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moritz |
and I remember seeing another mode change from him which wasn't a new file either |
| 05:46 |
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moritz |
hm, maybe teh text editor replaces the file with a new version or so |
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| 06:01 |
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timotimo |
while https://gist.github.com/2838595 is pretty cool - it's the red-black tree example for algebraic datatypes - i don't really see how it would expand to things like Maybe or Left/Right with two different types on both sides .. or am i confusing things again? |
| 06:07 |
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sorear |
timotimo: the 'algebraic type' object is [R,$a,$x,$b] |
| 06:07 |
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sorear |
R is only the tag |
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sorear |
sleep^ |
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sorear |
& |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 9cd99ac | moritz++ | src/core/operators.pm: |
| 06:41 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: in sequence operator, avoid over-eager munching of elements. diakopter++ |
| 06:41 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/9cd99ac3ee |
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diakopter |
moritz: I'm not sure. I access the files from windows over samba to my linux vm |
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moritz |
diakopter: ok, I can see how that could go wrong :-) |
| 07:24 |
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moritz |
it's not a real problem though, so never mind :-) |
| 07:25 |
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diakopter |
I'll make a note to chmod the files back after editing them before committing |
| 07:25 |
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diakopter |
hopefully my mental note function works |
| 07:26 |
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moritz |
no worries if not |
| 07:26 |
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moritz |
we can just bulk-chmod them back once a month |
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jnthn |
morning |
| 07:52 |
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moritz |
\o jnthn |
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timotimo |
ah, so if i want to have type-safe "algebraic types", i'd just create pattern-matching constructors |
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kresike |
hello all you happy perl6 people |
| 08:18 |
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sjn |
o/ |
| 08:26 |
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timotimo |
r: enum LeftRight <L R>; multi ct(L, Str $a) { [L, $a] }; multi ct(R, Int $a) { [R, $a] }; say ct(L, "foo").perl; say ct(R, 99).perl; |
| 08:26 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 9cd99a: OUTPUT«[LeftRight::L, "foo"][LeftRight::R, 99]» |
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* timotimo |
tries to update his local rakudo |
| 08:32 |
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timotimo |
having a bit of trouble compiling/linking libparrot.so |
| 08:33 |
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moritz |
timotimo: are you on windows? |
| 08:33 |
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timotimo |
no, 64bit linux here |
| 08:33 |
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timotimo |
downgraded to the last tag i saw in gitk and trying again |
| 08:35 |
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timotimo |
in case you care, the error i got while linking libparrot.so was "undefined reference to 'main'", following a few 'invalid relocation' errors of some sort |
| 08:35 |
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moritz |
woah, never heard of that before |
| 08:35 |
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timotimo |
ah, ok, still happens on the 'MadMongers' tag, do you want a past of the last lines of the log? |
| 08:36 |
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moritz |
maybe #parrot on irc.perl.org knows what to do about it; I don't |
| 08:36 |
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timotimo |
OK, but I won't have much time to stick around :( |
| 08:36 |
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moritz |
ok, paste it here, I'll carry it over |
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brrt |
hi all, i'm calculating the expected costs of hosting a perl6 web server |
| 09:09 |
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brrt |
i was wondering if anyone would be interested and what he or she would be able and willing to pay for it |
| 09:10 |
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brrt |
because, if i compare it with the average cost of - say - php web hosting, it will be a large exercise of me bleeding money |
| 09:10 |
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brrt |
:-) |
| 09:13 |
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* moritz |
already has some hosting options that can be tuned to use rakudo |
| 09:13 |
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brrt |
assuming your not going to run twitter on the thing |
| 09:13 |
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brrt |
inpertinent question, but what do you pay for that right now? |
| 09:14 |
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dalek |
roast: d06e61e | moritz++ | integration/99problems-21-to-30.t: |
| 09:14 |
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dalek |
roast: fix and rakudo-unfudge combination() tests |
| 09:14 |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/d06e61e0a1 |
| 09:14 |
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moritz |
5 EUR / month |
| 09:14 |
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brrt |
ooh |
| 09:15 |
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brrt |
that is going to be hard to be sustainable for me |
| 09:15 |
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moritz |
it's a machine that I share with some fellow (ex) students |
| 09:16 |
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moritz |
and which is conveniently located inside a company which provides IT services for companies, and where some of my friends happen to work :-) |
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brrt |
its reasonable, no doubt |
| 09:18 |
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moritz |
it's very convenient |
| 09:18 |
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brrt |
wheres feather hosted? |
| 09:18 |
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moritz |
web server, mail server, ssh, enough memory and CPU power to smoke rakudo :-) |
| 09:18 |
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moritz |
brrt: somewhere in the neatherlands |
| 09:19 |
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moritz |
brrt: Juerd++ takes care of that |
| 09:19 |
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brrt |
i see |
| 09:19 |
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brrt |
he lives very far away in dutch measures |
| 09:19 |
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moritz |
:-) |
| 09:21 |
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brrt |
anyway, 5E/month is never going to cut it at the expected level of enthusiasm for perl6 hosting :-p |
| 09:22 |
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moritz |
well, you need to rent a VPS at the very least, and then decide how many hosting offers you can make out of it |
| 09:22 |
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brrt |
theres a data centre in groningen that is presumably relatively cheap |
| 09:22 |
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brrt |
but they charge 50E/month for just setting up your hardware, never mind connection or electricity |
| 09:23 |
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brrt |
so that would require 10 moritzes just for that |
| 09:23 |
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moritz |
well, VPS start at around 10 EUR/month |
| 09:23 |
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moritz |
though usually they have too little memory to compile rakudo |
| 09:24 |
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brrt |
hmm, that would mean cross-compilation then |
| 09:25 |
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moritz |
http://www.hosteurope.de/conte[…]tual-Server-Linux 8 GB for 40 EUR/Month |
| 09:25 |
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moritz |
or 4 GB for 30 EUR |
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brrt |
thats reasonable enough |
| 09:26 |
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wolverian |
Hmm, that is pretty cheap. I have 2 GB for 20€/month from Hetzner. |
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* brrt |
will think about it some more |
| 09:27 |
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brrt |
it'd just be nice, also a great reason not to let mod_parrot slip behind |
| 09:27 |
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brrt |
when either parrot or rakudo or apache changes |
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moritz |
http://vollmar.net/dedicated # dedicated server with 8GB RAM for 40 EUR/month -- those folks have a rather good reputation |
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* brrt |
finally has use for high school german |
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moritz |
most of that page is in English anyway :-) |
| 09:33 |
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brrt |
:-) |
| 09:33 |
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brrt |
nice, not very expensive at all |
| 09:35 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 8ecf6da | moritz++ | docs/ROADMAP: |
| 09:35 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: [ROADMAP] add regex Null pattern detection |
| 09:35 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/8ecf6daa7d |
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bbkr |
rakudo: "" ~~ / {} * / |
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p6eval |
rakudo 9cd99a: OUTPUT«(timeout)» |
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aminperl |
I want to create a demo web crawler |
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aminperl |
How do extract the list of all URLs? |
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daxim |
needs more libxml |
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rakudo: say "abc" ~~ m:g/(.)/; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«False» |
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bbkr |
hm, why global switch broke matching? |
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jnthn |
Probably because :g causes it to return a list, and "abc" ~~ that_list does not match |
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bbkr |
but spec says " the boolean is allowed to return true on the first match" |
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bbkr |
rakudo: say so "abc" ~~ m:g/./; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«False» |
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moritz |
jnthn: that is exactly the reason why it fails |
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moritz |
and one of the reasons for TimToady++'s OKness proposal |
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* jnthn |
should try and do something about the implementationness of that proposal at some point... :) |
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bbkr |
i don't get it. "abc" is matched against regexp that returns a list and is matched again against this list? |
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moritz |
bbkr: $a ~~ $b generally boils down to: { my $_ = $a; $b.ACCEPTS($_) } |
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moritz |
bbkr: so here it is { my $_ = 'abc'; m:g/./.ACCEPTS($_) } |
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moritz |
bbkr: but m:g/./ is not a regex object; it's a *call* to a regex |
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moritz |
bbkr: and its result is a list, here one with three Match objects |
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bbkr |
moritz: so in current implementation any :global use will fail? |
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moritz |
bbkr: and so the .ACCEPT method gets called on the list returned from m:g/.../ |
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moritz |
r: $_ = 'abc'; say .Str for m:g/./ |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«abc» |
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moritz |
bbkr: any smartmatching against m:g//. Using it directly still works |
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moritz |
but it's the reason we don't use it often around here. Current spec has issues that means it cannot work. |
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bbkr |
moritz: makes sense, thanks for explanation. without knowing underlying ACCEPTS code this will be common trap to users who expect p5-ism. |
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moritz |
bbkr: I know :/ |
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bbkr |
star: grammar G { token TOP { \d } }; $_ = "12a3"; .say for m:g/<G::TOP>/ |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«=> <1> G::TOP => <1>=> <2> G::TOP => <2>=> <3> G::TOP => <3>» |
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bbkr |
\o/ |
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bbkr |
star: use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; say so " " ~~ m/<IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI::TOP>/ |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«True» |
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jnthn |
...that doens't look like a URI to me :) |
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bbkr |
indeed, creating GH issue now... |
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moritz |
star: use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; say IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI.parse('http://perl6.org/compilers/') |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«=> <http://perl6.org/compilers/> URI_reference => <http://perl6.org/compilers/> URI => <http://perl6.org/compilers/> scheme => <http> hier_part => <//perl6.org/compilers/> authority => <perl6.org> host => <perl6.org> reg_name => <perl6.org> … |
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moritz |
star: use URI; say URI.new.parse(' ') |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» |
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moritz |
star: use URI; say URI.new.parse(' ') |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«(signal SEGV)» |
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moritz |
ouch |
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moritz |
that's the precompilation issue striking :/ |
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bbkr |
it parses into |
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bbkr |
=> <> |
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bbkr |
URI_reference => <> |
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bbkr |
relative_ref => <> |
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bbkr |
relative_part => <> |
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bbkr |
path_empty => <> |
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bbkr |
locally |
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bbkr |
https://github.com/ihrd/uri/issues/4 |
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moritz |
ah, and the space is never parsed, because the regex is not anchored |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: b2068e9 | pmichaud++ | src/core/List.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Typo fix. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/b2068e9b95 |
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* jnthn |
puts Rakudo to use at $dayjob |
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moritz |
\o/ |
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frettled |
jnthn++ \o/ |
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moritz |
jnthn: what do you do with it? |
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* moritz |
hopes not as a counter example when teaching compiler construction :-) |
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frettled |
haha :D |
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moritz |
r: say (1..*).list.infinite |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«True» |
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moritz |
r: say (1..*).ma({$_}).list.infinite |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«No such method 'ma' for invocant of type 'Range' in block <anon> at /tmp/T2xN2mzDpN:1» |
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frettled |
ooh |
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moritz |
r: say (1..*).map({$_}).infinite |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«Mu()» |
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frettled |
r: say (5..*).list.infinite |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«True» |
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moritz |
pmichaud: is that correct/expected? |
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frettled |
r: say (*..*).list.infinite |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«Mu()» |
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frettled |
\o/ |
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jnthn |
moritz: Hunting for various unused things. |
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jnthn |
Mostly, just a bunch of text munging, pattern matching etc. |
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bbkr |
std: q<><><><> |
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p6eval |
std f179a1b: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 40m» |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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jnthn |
o/ sorear |
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pmichaud |
good morning, #perl6 |
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pmichaud |
moritz: is which one correct/expected? |
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pmichaud |
all of the ones you entered look correct-ish to me |
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jnthn |
hi pmichaud |
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pmichaud |
o/ jnthn |
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sorear |
o/ pmichaud, o/ jnthn |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: I'm working on .munch this morning.... the approach I was thinking of is looking painful so I'm casting about for other ideas :-/ |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: What were you thinking and what made it painful? |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Is the real problem that RPA has a very costly unshift? |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: yes, that's what it feels like |
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jnthn |
We may want to stop using RPAs there. |
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jnthn |
(more) |
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pmichaud |
yes, since my earlier approach didn't work I was thinking about creating our own custom RPA, at least for List |
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pmichaud |
(well, earlier approach will work but looks ugly in code) |
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jnthn |
I'm pondering that if we're going to do compact arrays we probably need to have something that knows how to do compact storage, and I'd really rather it is handled the same kind of way 6model handles natively typed attributes. |
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pmichaud |
Makes sense. |
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jnthn |
We could make that repr know how to unshift in a good way. |
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sorear |
+1 to array reprs with efficient unshift, that path has been good to me |
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pmichaud |
oh, wait |
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pmichaud |
our problem isn't a costly unshift, our problem is a costly *shift* |
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jnthn |
ah |
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jnthn |
But same kind of problem. |
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jnthn |
Both involve a load of copying ATM |
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pmichaud |
what's your feeling on the eta for compact arrays? Does it become worth it to develop a custom RPA in the interim? |
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sorear |
have either of you figured out how to make compact untyped arrays? |
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jnthn |
sorear: Compact...untyped? |
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jnthn |
That doesn't make sense to me. |
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sorear |
p6 lets you do @a[1] := @a[0] ... this is one of those features that you pay through the nose for whether you use it or not :( |
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pmichaud |
I'm not sure how receptive Parrot would be to me adjusting VTABLE_shift_* on RPA |
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jnthn |
sorear: You could not bind to an element of a compact array. |
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jnthn |
Just like you can't: |
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jnthn |
r: my int $x := 42; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 8ecf6d: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Cannot bind to a natively typed variable; use assignment insteadat /tmp/lV9MpKr7iH:1» |
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sorear |
jnthn: that's why I want to see compact untyped arrays. |
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sorear |
jnthn: I want a 'my Op @ops' that just contains pointers to Ops, not pointers to Scalars |
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jnthn |
sorear: The only ever bind to the elements of @ops |
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jnthn |
sorear: And you'll never end up with containers. |
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jnthn |
s/The/Then/ |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: (eta) not sure...it was below QAST in my todo list, but not much below... |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: July-ish maybe. |
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pmichaud |
well, I think it's lower priority than QAST, certainly |
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pmichaud |
(compact structs) |
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pmichaud |
s/structs/storage/ |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Why would Parrot folks complain about you making RPA more efficient for shift/unshift? :) |
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pmichaud |
efficient in speed, less efficient in memory |
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jnthn |
ah, true |
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jnthn |
r: say &dir.signature |
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p6eval |
rakudo b2068e: OUTPUT«:($path = { ... }, Mu :test(:$test) = { ... })» |
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pmichaud |
it also likely requires changes to FixedPMCArray, which could affect a _lot_ of stuff downstream |
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pmichaud |
(since RPA subclasses FPA) |
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jnthn |
*nod* |
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jnthn |
Yeah, probably better to start afresh then... |
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jnthn |
I suspect I could steal whatever storage strategy you use for a 6model REPR later on. |
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pmichaud |
hmmm |
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pmichaud |
I didn't seriously consider starting completely afresh -- I was thinking of deriving another FPA subclass |
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pmichaud |
but creating one from scratch might be far simpler |
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pmichaud |
and I could probably skip a number of the vtables that we don't use (e.g., get_string_keyed_int) |
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pmichaud |
I'd just need enough pieces to implement the nqp:: ops that we use |
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pmichaud |
afk for a bit |
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rlpeacock |
hi perl6, I'm having trouble building rakudo-star-2012.05 |
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rlpeacock |
problem seems to be in parrot compile |
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rlpeacock |
is this the right place to ask about this? |
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PerlJam |
rlpeacock: maybe. Got a transcript of the problem? |
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rlpeacock |
PerlJam, it dies here: |
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rlpeacock |
cc -o runtime/parrot/dynext/gziphandle.so \ |
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rlpeacock |
src/dynpmc/gziphandle.o -fstack-protector -L/usr/local/lib -shared -O2 -g -L/usr/local/lib -fstack-protector -fPIC -ldl -lm -L/usr/lib -licuuc -licudata -ldl -lm -ldl -lm -lpthread -lcrypt -lrt -lz |
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rlpeacock |
/usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libz.a(compress.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
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rlpeacock |
/usr/lib/libz.a: could not read symbols: Bad valu |
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rlpeacock |
Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit |
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PerlJam |
um ... no guesses from me. |
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rlpeacock |
i'm thinking i'll try to throw that -fPIC into the link args and just see if it works |
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rlpeacock |
no idea what it does though :) |
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jnthn |
There may be an option to pass to Parrot's configure to get it not to build the gzip support... |
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flussence |
I'm trying it on $dayjob box with 12.04 here, it just did the Configure.pl part with no error |
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PerlJam |
yeah, I use 12.04 too and haven't had any problems. |
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PerlJam |
rlpeacock: try building parrot --without-zlib, see if that helps |
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flussence |
oh, you might need zlib1g-dev installed |
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rlpeacock |
yeah throwing -fPIC didn't do anything |
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rlpeacock |
already have zlib1g-dev |
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rlpeacock |
i'll try without zlib |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: while driving @kids to $school I think I've convinced myself a custom RPA is the way to go for now, at least for List |
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rlpeacock |
yeah --without-zlib seems to have worked |
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rlpeacock |
thanks everybody |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: now the question is -- put the custom RPA in rakudo and use it only for List, or put it in nqp and use it for nqp::list ? |
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PerlJam |
pmichaud: the latter benefits Rakudo compilation *and* Rakudo execution, right? |
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pmichaud |
PerlJam: I'm not sure how much it will affect Rakudo compilation. afaik nqp doesn't do a lot of shifting |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: I think I'd prefer nqp::list to consistently use the same type |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: I don't understand that answer |
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jnthn |
no, it didn't make any sense, did it... :) |
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jnthn |
I think I'd prefer it if we keep using nqp::list in the list internals, and update it to always use the new thing that you implement now. |
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pmichaud |
okay, so put the new list type into nqp. And then when you have a compact storage type, we simply switch to use it |
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jnthn |
BUT...that means we have to make it do all the things, rather than just what we need for the List implementation... |
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pmichaud |
all the things isn't hard |
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jnthn |
OK :) |
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pmichaud |
fpa.pmc + rpa.pmc is only ~1800 lines of code |
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pmichaud |
and there's a lot of cruft, and stuff we could easily eliminate |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: 81ba7c1 | sorear++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: Translate Op to C# (part 1) |
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dalek |
niecza/no-bs: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/81ba7c189d |
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sorear |
I guess github just doesn't report the first new commit to a branch |
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sorear |
even though I created the branch as a copy of master (git checkout -b no-bs; git push origin no-bs) before committing to it |
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jnthn |
sorear: no-bs? |
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jnthn |
oh, is bs bootstrap here? |
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sorear |
yes |
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sorear |
maybe that wasn't so much a punny name as a confusing name ... |
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sjn |
jnthn: hey, did you get my invitation mail for the hackathon in august? :) |
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sorear |
there, I renamed the branch |
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sjn |
jnthn: do tell if you're coming \o/ |
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jnthn |
sorear: Well, only 'cus I made the pun about a different bs first ;) |
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jnthn |
sorear: I was looking at it like, "huh, sorear is getting rid of bounded serialization?!" :) |
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jnthn |
sjn: Yes, I got it. |
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jnthn |
sjn: I've got the days cleared with $dayjob. |
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* pmichaud |
remembers to mark his calendar |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: I think I'm going to do this in stages, with the eventual goal that nqp::list creates the structure we want and is used throughout |
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jnthn |
+1 |
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pmichaud |
I'll probably create a temporary nqp::qlist op to use for the new list while I handle the migration. Also, I want to see how performance changes before committing to a larger refactor |
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jnthn |
Quantam list! \o/ |
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jnthn |
;) |
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pmichaud |
I was thinking more of "list that can be performant when used as a queue" :-) |
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pmichaud |
since that's what .munch and iterators tend to use rpa's for |
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pmichaud |
also it fits in nicely with the pattern for qregex, qbootstrap, qast, ..... :-) |
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jnthn |
Rakudo's performance is weird. |
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jnthn |
I have a script here that does dir(...) recursively (but only a level deep) to find all files. |
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pmichaud |
I suppose I could call it nqp::qrpa for now, too. that might make more sense. |
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jnthn |
It takes 7s to find 3370 relevant file names. |
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sorear |
yeah, it's accellerating too fast. niecza is haivng troubhle keeping up ;) |
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jnthn |
But only 3s to slurp in every one of those files and do a regex match on it to get out the CREATE PROCEDURE query from it. |
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sorear |
jnthn: 3s or 10s? |
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jnthn |
10s total |
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UncleFester6 |
star: use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; say so " " ~~ m/<IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI::TOP_validating>/ |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«False» |
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jnthn |
It's the division that werids me out. |
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PerlJam |
jnthn: maybe stat is brokenish (way too expensive) ? |
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UncleFester6 |
star: use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; say so "http://www.rakudo.org " ~~ m/<IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI::TOP_validating>/ |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«False» |
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jnthn |
that's 3s for all 3700 files |
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jnthn |
Not 3s each |
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UncleFester6 |
star: use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; say so "http://www.rakudo.org" ~~ m/<IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI::TOP_validating>/ |
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jnthn |
PerlJam: Hmm, maybe that |
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p6eval |
star 2012.05: OUTPUT«True» |
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pmichaud |
afk, errands |
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I have a given "$path/$name".IO { |
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and inside there a when :d { ... }, when :f { ... } etc. |
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UncleFester6 |
bbkr: ping |
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bbkr |
UncleFester6: yes? |
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sjn |
jnthn: don't forget to go through the signup process ;) |
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sorear |
UncleFester6: are you new here? Welcome |
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sjn |
jnthn: also, you'll have to buy your own plane ticket (we'll refund 1200NOK of it) |
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UncleFester6 |
You filed a bug report about URI. Can you please take a look at my examples with the TOP_validating rule? |
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sjn |
jnthn: and please don't delay, air fare is getting expenisve :-/ |
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jnthn |
sjn: Oh, ouch :/ |
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jnthn |
sjn: Where do I have to get myself to? |
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jnthn |
Stavthingy? |
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sjn |
eys |
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* jnthn |
will look at it again tonight |
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sjn |
great :) |
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sjn |
Stavanger Sola airport (SVG) |
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jnthn |
sjn: It occurs to me that I can do home -> Stavanger or vice versa by train... |
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jnthn |
Didn't check details yet though. |
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sjn |
that's a loong trip |
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bbkr |
UncleFester6: I see your examples. But IMO TOP is still broken. for example for task "find all links in text" user will assume 'use IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI; $_ = "http://rakudo.org foo http://bbkr.org"; .Str.say for m:g/<IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI::TOP>/' which currently do match empty strings |
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jnthn |
Longer than Lund - Oslo? |
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jnthn |
Hm |
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sjn |
yes, Stavanger is on the south-west coast |
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had figured he could get off somewhere on the way to Oslo and head west but maybe the Norway rail network doesn't work like that. |
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jnthn |
:) |
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sjn |
well, you'll have to get through Oslo in any case :) |
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sjn |
but there might be some ferries |
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grumbles at not being able to go anywhere |
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sjn |
sorear: :-( |
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PerlJam |
.oO( scalable vector graphics airport? ) |
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sjn |
PerlJam: yeah, I know! :) |
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Yeah, none of that pixelated airport crap in Norway! |
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bbkr: thanks - I will look into the example and update the bug report as I understand things better ... |
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o/ aesundstrom |
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aesundstrom: you queried me earlier? |
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aesundstrom |
o/ sorear |
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kresike |
bye all |
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PerlJam |
Is the monolithic setting still necessary? Or can it be decomposed into smaller chunks with separate compilation? |
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PerlJam |
(rakudo, obviously) |
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pmichaud |
still necessary, for lexical scope reasons |
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pmichaud |
until separate compilation has a way of putting everything into a lexical scope.... we're kind of stuck with it. (more) |
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pmichaud |
I suppose it's possible that the core setting could in fact be multiple nested lexical scopes, if we wanted to try something like that to break up the compilation |
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it might also be possible to create a setting that imports the separately compiled modules and updates its lexical scope accordingly |
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pmurias |
sorear: hi |
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pmurias |
sorear: what do I have to do to switch to the no-bootstrap branch? |
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moritz |
git checkout no-bs #? |
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benabik |
Hm. Rakudo adds bs, niecza removes bs. |
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benabik |
From the web interface, it looks like the branch name is non-bootstrap |
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Woodi |
hallo, is 'compile out' feature available ? eg. you deploy app by precompiling it and you want to "binary" do not contain language features not used in app code - if grammars or eval not used then "compile this out"... any sense here ? |
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colomon |
sorear++ renamed it this morning |
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PerlJam |
Woodi: No, that's not really available. |
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Woodi |
it can add some lvl of security after deployment... |
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Woodi |
but planned ? |
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moritz: thanks |
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moritz |
Woodi: no. Compiled forms are just caches. |
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pmurias |
moritz: ? |
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pmurias: ? ? |
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daxim |
�¿⁇�� |
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* moritz |
has problems answering single-letter questions |
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daxim |
perl -E'say "?" =~ /\pL/' # not even that! |
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moritz |
r: class A is export { } |
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p6eval |
rakudo b2068e: ( no output ) |
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diakopter |
re breaking up the setting; maybe then its parts could be compiled in parallel |
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moritz |
fwiw I have experimented with breaking up the setting into two parts |
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TimToady |
you'd have to manage the circularity saw carefully to avoid cutting off all your feet |
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moritz |
an outer with the basic features, and an inner setting to be compiled after the outer |
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moritz |
and... it's quite challenging |
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moritz |
all of our types interact with each other somehow |
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moritz |
and the compiler interacts with some of them too |
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TimToady |
this is really rocket science: how many stages do you want to orbit? Every approach will have it's advantages and disadvantages |
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TimToady |
and Perl 6 has an escape velocity more like Jupiter's than Earth's... |
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moritz |
I'm now experimenting with simply use'ing Set+Bag |
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moritz |
we have lexical imports after all |
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TimToady |
well, the only hard requirement is that it be Perl 6 by the end of the setting, but how much of the setting wants to be in "real" Perl 6 is an implementation choice |
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TimToady |
long-term, when the Perl 6 compiler gets good enough, you'll probably want the whole setting in real Perl 6, but that's unrealistic for now |
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TimToady |
we'll have to understand circularity saws a bit better to get there |
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TimToady |
and what the true primitives are |
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dalek |
Perlito: d7ca5ce | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - javascript: "package" is a reserved word in the closure compiler |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/d7ca5ce8c7 |
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GlitchMr |
eval: "\x10000".chars |
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buubot_backup |
GlitchMr: 000chars |
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GlitchMr |
I meant Perl 6... |
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GlitchMr |
perl6: "\x10000".chars |
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p6eval |
pugs, rakudo b2068e, niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: ( no output ) |
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GlitchMr |
perl6: print "\x10000".chars |
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p6eval |
pugs, rakudo b2068e: OUTPUT«1» |
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p6eval |
..niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«2» |
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GlitchMr |
... |
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TimToady |
nobody really does graphemes yet, but we're waiting on compact integer arrays to do NFG right |
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diakopter |
poor perlesque and its compact integer arrays; if only that weren't the only advantage it has |
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diakopter |
well, niecza has them too. |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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GlitchMr |
Well, I'm checking which programming languages don't think that Unicode is 16-bit. |
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moritz |
\o sorear |
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moritz |
heh, fun |
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GlitchMr |
As for now I have Perl 5, Perl 6 and Python 3.3.0 (beta) on list. |
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GlitchMr |
But I'm sure that more languages do things properly. |
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moritz |
you know what happens when you move some parts of the setting to a module, and 'use' that module? |
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TimToady |
flowers sing and dolphins jump? |
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moritz |
the module loader tries to load the setting, in order to provide the outer scope for the module |
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moritz |
and of course it can't, since we aren't done yet compiling the setting |
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sorear |
TimToady++ # circularity management is rocket science |
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TimToady |
and sorear++ is trying to develop SSTO :) |
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moritz |
SSTO? |
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TimToady |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S[…]le-stage-to-orbit |
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moritz |
ah |
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geekosaur |
> length "\65536" |
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geekosaur |
hm, lb not back yet? oh well |
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GlitchMr |
But now I have problem. My text editor doesn't support "\x10000" properly. |
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geekosaur |
(haskell also does not think unicode is 16 bit) |
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GlitchMr |
ok, so now I have Haskell on list too |
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Juerd |
Unicode has no bits |
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TimToady |
r: https://gist.github.com/2837838 |
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p6eval |
rakudo b2068e: OUTPUT«1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 67651 1 2 4 7 13 24 44 81 149 274 504 927 1705 3136 5768 10609 19513 35890 660121 1 2 4 8 15 29 56 108 208 401 773 1490 2872 5536 10671 20569 39648 76424 1473121 1 2 4 8 16 31 61 120 236 464 912 1793 … |
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Juerd |
So no, Unicode is not 16 bit. |
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TimToady |
\o/ diakopter++ moritz++ |
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geekosaur |
<geekosaur> > maxBound :: Char |
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geekosaur |
<lambdabot> '\1114111' |
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geekosaur |
guess LB doesn't hang out here any mroe |
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GlitchMr |
Juerd, but some languages think that Unicode has 16 bits. |
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GlitchMr |
>>> '𐀀'.length |
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GlitchMr |
2 |
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GlitchMr |
(this is JavaScript in this case) |
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Juerd |
GlitchMr: Well, that's incorrect. |
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GlitchMr |
I'm searching for languages which do things correctly. |
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TimToady |
well, there are several definitions of that... |
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geekosaur |
more correctly, it's using a utf16 internal representation and does not try to pretend otherwise |
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sorear |
right now, niecza treats text always at the codepoint level |
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sorear |
length(), substr(), and friends make no effort to hide the UTF-16 representatiion |
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GlitchMr |
It seems that PHP doesn't think that Unicode has 16 bits. |
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geekosaur |
this is not necessarily a bug; even if you support the full rnge of unicode in a single character, does that include normalization? what about combining characters (codepoints vs. graphemes)? |
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GlitchMr |
Not like it has proper Unicode support, but it somehow works in this case. |
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GlitchMr |
<?php echo mb_strlen('𐀀', 'utf8'); |
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TimToady |
Perl 6 is aiming for the NFG version of "correct", whatever that turns out to be |
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sorear |
GlitchMr: there is nothing buggy about a language declaring length(chr(0x10000)) to be 2 if that is what the spec says |
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GlitchMr |
That is if language supports so big values in chr() |
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GlitchMr |
>>> String.fromCharCode(0x10021) |
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GlitchMr |
"!" |
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GlitchMr |
(JavaScript) |
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Also, numbers of characters is different than number of bytes. |
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Perlito: 7aadacf | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - javascript: cleanup comma for the closure compiler |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/7aadacfc9b |
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byebye feather |
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TimToady: have you looked at http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Ordered_Partitions do you think p6 could beat Groovy for succintness? |
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diakopter |
or even the 8-line python one |
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diakopter |
or there's the J one-liner |
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diakopter |
the Perl 5 one is 40 lines |
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tadzik |
oh, nevermind, I'm blind |
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eiro: talk submitted |
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n: sub prtn(@mask is copy) { my $last = ([+] @mask) or return [[] xx @mask]; my @r; for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; $mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push($last); $_ }, prtn(@mask); }; @r; } say prtn(2,0,2).perl |
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niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Variable $mask is not predeclared (did you mean @mask?) at /tmp/9pOAp6k1KO line 1:�------> for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; �$mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push(��Strange text after block (missin… |
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n: sub prtn(@mask is copy) { my $last = ([+] @mask) or return [[] xx @mask]; my @r; for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; @mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push($last); $_ }, prtn(@mask); @mask[$k]++ }; @r; } say prtn(2,0,2).perl |
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niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/Xyn1Q2Halu line 1:�------> $_ }, prtn(@mask); @mask[$k]++ }; @r; }� say prtn(2,0,2).perl��Parse failed��» |
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n: sub prtn(@mask is copy) { my $last = ([+] @mask) or return [[] xx @mask]; my @r; for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; @mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push($last); $_ }, prtn(@mask); @mask[$k]++ }; @r; }; say prtn(2,0,2).perl |
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niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Excess arguments to prtn, used 1 of 3 positionals at /tmp/QUKpVAZF1_ line 0 (prtn @ 1)  at /tmp/QUKpVAZF1_ line 1 (mainline @ 4)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3910 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.sett… |
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n: sub prtn(@mask is copy) { my $last = ([+] @mask) or return [[] xx @mask]; my @r; for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; @mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push($last); $_ }, prtn(@mask); @mask[$k]++ }; @r; }; say prtn([2,0,2]).perl |
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niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«[[[3, 4], [], [1, 2]], [[2, 4], [], [1, 3]], [[1, 4], [], [2, 3]], [[2, 3], [], [1, 4]], [[1, 3], [], [2, 4]], [[1, 2], [], [3, 4]]].list» |
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n: sub prtn(@mask is copy) { my $last = ([+] @mask) or return [[] xx @mask]; my @r; for @mask.kv -> $k,$v { next unless $v; @mask[$k]--; push @r, map { $_[$k].push($last); $_ }, prtn(@mask); @mask[$k]++ }; @r; }; .perl.say for prtn([2,0,2]) |
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niecza v18-1-gc86e3f0: OUTPUT«[[3, 4], [], [1, 2]][[2, 4], [], [1, 3]][[1, 4], [], [2, 3]][[2, 3], [], [1, 4]][[1, 3], [], [2, 4]][[1, 2], [], [3, 4]]» |
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sorear |
how does that look diakopter |
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diakopter |
a bit out of order |
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diakopter |
oh |
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diakopter |
the top level is reversed compared to the other solutions' output |
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diakopter |
but yeah |
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diakopter |
added to rosettacode |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: a262cc4 | pmichaud++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: Add initial QRPA (RPA with better queueing) PMC. |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/a262cc4d1a |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: 818a180 | pmichaud++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: Add pop_pmc, push_pmc, shift_pmc, shift_integer. |
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dalek |
rakudo/qrpa: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/818a180962 |
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Juerd |
Please, please... fix feather: /etc/init.d/unbound: regel 127: start-stop-daemon: opdracht niet gevonden |
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Juerd |
A missing start-stop-daemon means that the next time it reboots, it won't start many services... |
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TimToady |
diakopter++ |
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TimToady |
and sorear++ |
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* TimToady |
edited it to use gather/take instead |
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sorear |
sorear feather:~$ /sbin/start-stop-daemon --help |
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sorear |
Usage: start-stop-daemon [<option> ...] <command> |
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Juerd |
Hmmm, that's strange |
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sorear |
how were you running it? |
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Juerd |
Ah, my path is garbled |
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Juerd |
s/path/PATH/ |
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sorear |
ah, yay |
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Juerd |
Sorry for the unnecessary expression of panic. |
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sorear |
no worries |
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TimToady |
The occasional necessary expression of panic excuses the occasional unnecessary expression of panic. :) |
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* diakopter |
panics for losing his phone |
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diakopter |
just now |
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* diakopter |
takes a look at http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Solve_a_Hidato_puzzle |
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jnthn |
evening o/ |
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* jnthn |
probably only about for a few moments |
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diakopter |
o/ |
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