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niecza/non-bootstrap: 995e572 | sorear++ | lib/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
niecza/non-bootstrap: Actions pt 12 |
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dalek |
niecza/non-bootstrap: Actions pt 13 |
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perl6-bench: 68bbd89 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (2 files): |
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perl6-bench: Choose JSON prettification based on style setting (auto=pretty); this closes multi-format output TODO |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/68bbd8919d |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: f1a090b | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO: |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: A few more TODO items |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/f1a090b53c |
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perl6-bench: 7e6db6c | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: Output summary to arbitrary file; guess format based on extension of outfile |
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dalek |
perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/7e6db6cc2d |
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moritz |
\o |
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phenny |
moritz: 17 Jun 22:41Z <japhb> tell moritz Congrats! |
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moritz |
japhb: thanks! |
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tadzik |
moritz: congratulations to you both! |
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sorear |
tadzik: context? |
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tadzik |
sorear: apparently moritz got married recently |
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sorear |
moritz: If the rumours are true, congratulations! |
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moritz |
sorear: thanks |
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sorear |
I'll take that as confirmation \o/ |
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moritz |
(we were legally married for two years already, it was "just" the church ceremony on Saturday. And Ronja's baptism) |
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and a not-so-small party |
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niecza/non-bootstrap: 4771f2b | sorear++ | lib/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
niecza/non-bootstrap: Actions pt 14 |
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dalek |
niecza/non-bootstrap: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/4771f2b4e6 |
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moritz |
sorear: how many parts is it going to be? |
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frettled |
moritz: (belated) congrats! |
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moritz |
frettled: thanks :-) |
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* mhasch |
, too, wishes moritz all the best |
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moritz |
thanks mhasch |
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sorear |
moritz: 3-4 more |
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sorear |
it's a 4200 line file and I'm trying to keep commits to 300ish lines |
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moritz |
sorear: can you already test the things you're porting now? |
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moritz |
or will that only be possible after porting the whole thing? |
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sorear |
most testing has to wait |
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sorear |
(I've been checking if it compiles continuously, which has caught quite a few mistakes) |
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moritz |
(static typing)++ |
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sorear |
agreed |
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shachaf |
moritz: Happy moritz*=2 ! |
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shachaf |
...Or however that works. |
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moritz |
thanks shachaf :-) |
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shachaf |
Everyone's getting married these days, it seems. |
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frettled |
ackermann(moritz)? |
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moritz |
frettled: ackermann is a function of two variables :-) |
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shachaf |
moritz: It's a function of 1-3 variables depending on who's talking about it. |
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frettled |
moritz: I find you very variable! |
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shachaf |
I think the original function had three. |
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* moritz |
only knows the defintion given at the top of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function |
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moritz |
but yes, wiki says it was originally three-arg |
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shachaf |
I think A_1(n) is just A_2(n,n), or something like that. |
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sorear |
sleep& |
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shachaf |
sorear: Did you hear shapr got married recently too? |
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frettled |
I actually implemented Ackermann-sort. |
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sisar |
the word "anonymous" is overloaded, methinks. It can refer to both: "things which are unnamend" or "things which have a name but right now we don't know its name". (when I was contemplating the reason why 'anonymous functions' are named so?). I'd rather call them 'nameless functions', instead. |
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shachaf |
That seems just as ambiguous. |
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sisar |
"unnamed functions" ? |
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bonsaikitten |
I would confuse nameless with lamdbas, is that intended? |
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sisar |
bonsaikitten: no |
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moritz |
what's the difference? |
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bonsaikitten |
language is ugly ;) |
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shachaf |
"lambda" is an OK name for lambdas. |
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shachaf |
I don't see why a name is that important in most cases. |
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moritz |
in Perl 6 we have functions that know their own name, and functions we can access by name, and the two are mostly orthogonal |
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sisar |
the fist code block (in http://stackoverflow.com/a/834616), when run in perl6, prints 123 both times. What changed in perl6 from perl5 to make this happen? |
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moritz |
sisar: are you familiar with the warning 'Variable "$x" will not stay shared' in Perl 5? |
| 08:04 |
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sisar |
moritz: no |
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sisar |
something I need to read ? |
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moritz |
sisar: lemme find a good explanation |
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sisar |
ok |
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moritz |
sisar: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=696592 maybe |
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looks |
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moritz |
(short version: nested named subs don't work properly in perl 5, because the inner function can be run before the outer one was run, and there aren't static lexpads in the same sense as Perl 6 has them) |
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sisar |
moritz: where can I read about lexpads? what are they, what are static ( and dynamic) lexpads, etc ? |
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moritz |
sisar: lemme dig up another link :-) |
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sergot |
hello o/ |
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tadzik |
o/ |
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sisar |
:) |
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afk |
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kresike |
hello all you happy perl6 people |
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sergot |
kresike: o/ |
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kresike |
sergot, \o |
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tadzik |
hi kresike |
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hello tadzik |
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Woodi |
relative morning #perl6 :) |
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moritz |
absolute #perl6, Woodi :-) |
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Woodi |
hmm, there is new 'ufo' implementation - maybe it is used with modules automatic tests ? |
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moritz |
no |
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moritz |
sisar: one possible ressource on lexpads and closures is http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=964726 |
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tadzik |
Woodi: emmentaler uses panda, which does not use ufo |
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moritz |
but panda got its own set of improvements recently |
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back |
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sisar |
moritz: thanks. I'll go through it. |
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moritz |
though I really want it to install .pod files in time for the next star release |
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tadzik |
right |
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tadzik |
when is the next star? |
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moritz |
soon after next compiler, which is on Thursday |
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moritz |
tadzik: iirc you wrote a partial patch for that. Is that pushed somewhere? |
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moritz |
if not, could you please push it to a branch? |
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tadzik |
moritz: nah, it's not commited yet |
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tadzik |
or it is, but only locally, on my laptop at home |
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tadzik |
I'll push it when I get back home. It passed the tests I've written for it, but it crashed for some reason on p6doc |
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moritz |
ok, thanks |
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moritz |
crashes are easier to debug than silent and wrong behavior, at least in foreign code |
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moritz |
at least I'll know from the start where it went wrong |
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tadzik |
istr it was something like "omg, Pod is a directory, what now?" So mayhaps I told File::Find to look for files only where I shouldn't have |
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moritz |
but Pod::To::Html also has a lib/Pod/ dir |
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tadzik |
yeah, but I didn't test it on that one. I may not remember correctly what the error was exactly about |
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tadzik |
I think it was something related to Pod directory, but I could be that I just broke everything but tests ;) |
| 10:19 |
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moritz |
ah well, I might have tuits to look at it tonight |
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tadzik |
there's a reason this patch is unpushed |
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moritz |
n: no strict; |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: ( no output ) |
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moritz |
n: no strict; $a; say OUR::.keys |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«0» |
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moritz |
n: no strict; $a; say MY::.keys |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«0» |
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moritz |
n: my $a; say MY::.keys |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:� $a is declared but not used at /tmp/uoom5Qhy4u line 1:�------> my �$a; say MY::.keys��0�» |
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moritz |
sorear: can .keys on pseudo package stashes return something else than 0 in niecza? if yes, how? |
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moritz |
n: our $X = 5; say OUR::.keys |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«0» |
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moritz |
n: no strict; eval '$x = 5'; say $x |
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p6eval |
niecza v18-7-ga660099: OUTPUT«5» |
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flussence |
my rakudo build attempts keep dying with "invoke() not implemented in class 't'"... I'm pretty sure I fixed this one before but can't remember how. I've already cleaned out ./parrot/ and ./nqp/ too... |
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flussence |
(hm, it might be make -j2 causing it) |
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moritz |
flussence: some parrot installs still floating around somewhere? |
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moritz |
flussence: I think grondilu reported a similar problem |
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flussence |
nope, I'm pretty certain it's all contained in that rakudo dir... |
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hm, make -j1 didn't fix it either :/ |
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slinkylinda |
hi |
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slinkylinda |
A PRAYER FOR TODAYFather in heaven, I receive Your truth today. I receive Your promises. I ask that You ignite my heart with Your holy fire so that I can pursue Your perfect plan for my life. Make my thoughts and words agreeable to Your will in Jesus’ name. Amen. |
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slinkylinda |
am from nigeria 23 years old girl |
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slinkylinda |
hey pals |
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slinkylinda |
slinkylinda yahoo.com that's my yahoo massenger id |
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slinkylinda |
ur alow to add me |
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tadzik |
didn't we use to ban the entire chatmosphere subnet? |
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flussence |
they used to identify it in the hostname... |
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flussence |
I'm still of the opinion freenode itself should do something, they have the resources to do a more thorough job of banning/quarantining them. |
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PerlJam |
Ah ... it's release week! |
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uvtc |
Anyone know if Pm's first talk on lists/arrays was recorded? I was hoping to see it show up at http://www.youtube.com/playlis[…]LE3F888A650339DDF it hasn't appeared there. |
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uvtc |
Whoops. pmichaud ^^ |
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uvtc |
I saw (yesterday) the link to the slides: http://pmichaud.com/2012/pres/ (yapcna-lists-1) |
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gfldex |
uvtc: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-06-17#i_5735526 |
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uvtc |
gfldex, Yes, saw that. Thanks. Do you happen to know if it made it to youtube? |
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uvtc |
Haven't been able to find it, and was wondering if anyone could confirm whether or not it was recorded. |
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uvtc |
Also, in the irc comment from pmichaud, what was the "lightning talk" about? (Separate from the lists/arrays 1 talk, I presume?) |
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TimToady |
the lightning talk was about how much rakudo performance was better, and about how rakudo starts up faster than perl5 if you include Moose and friends to implement a modern type system like Perl 6 gives you by default |
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uvtc |
TimToady, Ah, saw the slides for that. Thanks. |
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harmil1 |
TimToady: that may be, but in my recent experience, Rakudo scales much more poorly with the size of the project than Perl 5. I'm sure that's fixable, but it's a pretty big concern for me right now. |
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uvtc |
I don't see a link anywhere on perl6.org regarding archived videos of talks. Is http://www.presentingperl.org/ galactic central hq for these? |
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TimToady |
beats me |
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harmil1 |
hmmm… why am I harmil1 now? didn't I do all the auth magic? |
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TimToady |
harmil: sure, but pmichaud++ was just pointing out how far rakudo has come thus far |
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harmil |
there we go |
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TimToady |
you can't say everything in a lightning talk... |
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harmil |
TimToady: it really has. I was just being a wet towel of realism ;) |
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TimToady |
he was mostly trying to counter the argument that p5 starts up so much faster than p6 |
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TimToady |
and his benchmark for the other part was just a small loop |
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TimToady |
I suspect the scaling problem will improve as we move toward more compact struct reprs |
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kresike |
bye all |
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moritz |
note that much of the rakudo setting (with the exception of very hot pathes like list iteration) was written without good knowledge about what operations are fast or slow |
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moritz |
I guess there's still much to be gained on that level alone |
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harmil |
So, for an example of what I was talking about (and I want to stress that this is only to shine a flashlight, not to belittle the massive progress thus far), try this shell script: $ for size in 1 10 100 1000 10000; do code=$(for n in $(eval "echo {1..$size}"); do echo -n "1;"; done); echo -n "Expressions in input: $size: " ; time --format=%e -- perl6 -e "$code" || break; done |
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harmil |
My output: Expression in input: 1: 0.28 |
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harmil |
Expression in input: 10: 0.30 |
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harmil |
Expression in input: 100: 0.60 |
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harmil |
Expression in input: 1000: 3.40 |
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harmil |
Expression in input: 10000: 39.48 |
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harmil |
The good news is that that growth appears to be linear with the number of expressions (for simple expressions) |
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harmil |
the bad news is that that's a pretty huge constant increase. |
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pmichaud |
good mprning, #perl6 |
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harmil |
howdy pmichaud |
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uvtc |
pmichaud, I was asking earlier about if your first talk on lists/arrays/parcels was recorded. Do you happen to know if it was? |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: no, I don't know what the status of any recordings are. |
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uvtc |
pmichaud, thanks. |
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pmichaud |
Yes, there was a camera in the room; I presume it was streamed live, but as to whether it was recorded anywhere or whether the video will see the light of day... that's pretty much up to the yapc::na 2012 folks, I suspect. |
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uvtc |
pmichaud, seems like it would be very useful to have a video of that talk, given your comments on the slides ( http://pmichaud.com/2012/pres/[…]/slide5g.html#end ). |
| 15:47 |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: sure, I agree. I'm eagerly awaiting the talk videos myself. |
| 15:48 |
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pmichaud |
and I'm really hopeful they show up. Over the years I've had tons of my talks recorded in the room, but then the videos never actually make it online. :-/ |
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uvtc |
Do folks ever bring their own recording devices? (If I ever give a talk, I'm guessing I'd record it myself just so I'd have my own copy, even if only for posterity. :) ) |
| 15:49 |
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pmichaud |
I tried doing that a couple of times but it didn't really work out. |
| 15:49 |
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uvtc |
Heh. "Hey, could you please keep an eye on this camcorder while I give the next talk? Thanks!" |
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uvtc |
Hm. I suppose getting good audio could be difficult. |
| 15:51 |
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pmichaud |
yes, but I even bought a small microphone to help with that. |
| 15:51 |
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pmichaud |
the tricky part is setup+takedown in the time between talks |
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uvtc |
Not sure what you mean... could you have a buddy or spouse just make the recording for you? |
| 15:53 |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: sure, could probably delegate it. |
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pmichaud |
...but it's still something I wish could be handled at a conference level instead of a per-speaker level |
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harmil |
Hmm… DO NOT execute this on the p5eval bot… this seems to hang the parser: my $x = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1; |
| 15:56 |
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harmil |
Interestingly, if I remove exactly one of the +1's it works |
| 15:56 |
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uvtc |
pmichaud, we talked about this on irc a few weeks (?) ago. I'd probably be interested in transcribing the meat of the talk into docs on the wiki. It would be unfortunate if the recording doesn't make it online. |
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harmil |
*s/p5/p6/ |
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moritz |
harmil: don't worry, p6eval has a CPU time limit |
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moritz |
r: 1 while 1; say 'alive' |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«(timeout)» |
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pmichaud |
uvtc: I agree, it would be unfortunate. Sadly, that's not something I control. |
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pmichaud |
harmil: howdy # just now catching up with stuff :) |
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pmichaud |
harmil: I think your expression example above may be reflecting parse time more than anything else. |
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| 16:04 |
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moritz |
removing one +1 results in a parse time of ~2s |
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pmichaud |
as soon as I get an up-to-date perl6 executable, I'll test. |
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pmichaud |
moritz: I meant the "Expression in input" example before that. |
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moritz |
ok |
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moritz |
with the full thing, it hasn't finished after two minutes |
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pmichaud |
harmil: https://gist.github.com/2949136 # I get different results... what did I do wrong? |
| 16:10 |
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harmil |
pmichaud, not sure. here's my superset-test: |
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harmil |
for size in 1 10 100 1000 10000; do code=$(for n in $(eval "echo {1..$size}"); do echo -n "+1"; done); echo -n "Expressions in input: $size: " ; time --format=%e -- perl6 -e "my \$x = 1$code;" || break; done |
| 16:12 |
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harmil |
BTW: all of this is rakudo-star-2012.05 |
| 16:14 |
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pmichaud |
Here's what I get for rakudo-2012.05: https://gist.github.com/2949162 |
| 16:15 |
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pmichaud |
I suspect my shell isn't producing the same output as yours |
| 16:15 |
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harmil |
wow, very different |
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harmil |
I get about the same and then it hangs at 1000 |
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pmichaud |
yeah, $code always ends up being "+1" for me |
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harmil |
oh, interesting. I'm using bash |
| 16:16 |
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pmichaud |
so am I. |
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harmil |
hurm… let me make that more generic then |
| 16:16 |
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pmichaud |
oh, maybe not. |
| 16:16 |
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pmichaud |
if I use bash, I get an error. |
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harmil |
heh, I'll just use some perl5 so we have consistency |
| 16:17 |
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pmichaud |
I think I get what you're doing now -- you're just concatenating a bunch of +1's together? |
| 16:17 |
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pmichaud |
you can use perl6 for consistency too :_) |
| 16:18 |
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harmil |
for size in 1 10 100 1000 10000; do code=$(perl -le 'print "+1" x shift(@ARGV)' $size); echo -n "Expressions in input: $size: " ; PATH=~/local-work/self/rakudo-star/rakudo-star-2012.05/rakudo-2012.05:$PATH time --format=%e -- perl6 -e "my \$x = 1$code;" || break; done |
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harmil |
it's true, but my brain has some very low-level "perl -le 'print …'" firmware in place at this point |
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harmil |
I don't think I could even get my fingers to type "perl -e 'say …'" on newer perls, much less run perl6 |
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pmichaud |
I get good results up to $size == 1000, at which point it's hanging for me too |
| 16:19 |
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pmichaud |
so, it's definitely a parsing issue somewhere |
| 16:19 |
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harmil |
interesting. |
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harmil |
oh, wait, 1000 hangs or 10_000 hangs? |
| 16:20 |
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pmichaud |
well, 1000 takes a really long time thus far |
| 16:21 |
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harmil |
ok, yeah, I see it just spin, taking up very, very slightly more memory over time. 140 expressions was the cuttoff for me, when I did the binary search |
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harmil |
It went from 0.7 seconds to hang from 139 to 140 |
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pmichaud |
mine is hanging at 139 |
| 16:23 |
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harmil |
pmichaud: given http://pmichaud.com/2012/pres/[…]/slide5g.html#end would it make sense to just delete the existing synopses and replace them with a placeholder? |
| 16:23 |
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pmichaud |
harmil: +1, yes. |
| 16:24 |
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pmichaud |
I'll do that today if nobody beats me to them. |
| 16:24 |
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pmichaud |
https://gist.github.com/2949227 # hangs at 138 for me |
| 16:24 |
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pmichaud |
that's just.... weird |
| 16:25 |
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pmichaud |
my gut tells me this might be a parrot string bug |
| 16:25 |
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harmil |
hmmm.. is perl5 putting spaces in the result of x? That might make a difference |
| 16:26 |
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harmil |
e.g. 1 +1 +1 +1 vs 1+1+1+1 |
| 16:26 |
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pmichaud |
okay, I think it's not string length related |
| 16:27 |
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pmichaud |
I switched it to do 1+2+3+...+$size instead and get https://gist.github.com/2949241 |
| 16:27 |
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pmichaud |
where it hangs at 139 |
| 16:28 |
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harmil |
I wonder… is there some kind of recursion limit detection that's being triggered, and then rakudo is treating that as a failed match? |
| 16:29 |
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pmichaud |
oooh, that makes a lot of sense. |
| 16:29 |
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pmichaud |
yes, Parrot has a recursion limit. |
| 16:29 |
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harmil |
the 13x thing is awfully suspiciously constantish. |
| 16:29 |
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pmichaud |
normally the recursion limit triggers an exception, though -- it'd mean that something is catching the exception. |
| 16:29 |
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harmil |
yeah |
| 16:30 |
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harmil |
Maybe rakudo needs a way to turn off parrot's recursion detection temporarily and take it over itself during expression parsing |
| 16:30 |
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pmichaud |
well, we can certainly up the limit. |
| 16:30 |
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pmichaud |
aha!!! |
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pmichaud |
check this out -- running on 2012.01 |
| 16:31 |
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harmil |
The real-world expectation that this would ever happen is kind of thin... |
| 16:31 |
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harmil |
but not 0 |
| 16:31 |
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pmichaud |
https://gist.github.com/2949262 |
| 16:31 |
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pmichaud |
harmil++ # excellent catch |
| 16:31 |
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harmil |
There you go! |
| 16:32 |
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pmichaud |
something post 2012.01 is catching the exception |
| 16:32 |
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harmil |
aye |
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pmichaud |
where's masakbot when you need him? ;-) |
| 16:33 |
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tadzik |
I think he's still backlogging :) |
| 16:34 |
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pmichaud |
tadzik! o/ |
| 16:34 |
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pmichaud |
just one of the people I wanted to talk to! |
| 16:34 |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: ping !!! |
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tadzik |
pmichaud: pong!!! |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: I have a question about .WHY and pod |
| 16:34 |
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tadzik |
go ahead |
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harmil |
Ugh… I just came across some code in Actions.pm: '&' ~ ~$<identifier> … my eyes really want to read that as "~~"! |
| 16:35 |
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tadzik |
I'm not surprised |
| 16:35 |
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pmichaud |
are you aware of anything in the pod spec that would enable me to attach something to a function so that it collects the text from another location? |
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pmichaud |
e.g., an external file |
| 16:35 |
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pmichaud |
? |
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tadzik |
hm |
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pmichaud |
here's my usecase |
| 16:36 |
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pmichaud |
currently, we have CORE.setting |
| 16:36 |
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tadzik |
should be doable, with more or less magic |
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pmichaud |
we're also creating p6doc, with the documentation for the builtins |
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tadzik |
yes |
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pmichaud |
because the builtin documentation is common to multiple implementations, I don't want each implementation to have to copy the text into its CORE.setting equivalent |
| 16:37 |
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pmichaud |
but I'd still like the builtins to be able to respond smartly to .WHY |
| 16:37 |
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tadzik |
yeah, that's reasonable |
| 16:37 |
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tadzik |
I've discussed that with moritz as well, I think |
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pmichaud |
what's more, I want it to be lazy, so that the documentation is only loaded when someone requests .WHY, as opposed to being stored directly in the .pbc/binary itself |
| 16:37 |
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tadzik |
right |
| 16:38 |
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pmichaud |
anyway, think about it a bit and let me know if you come up with any ideas :) |
| 16:38 |
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tadzik |
I have some |
| 16:38 |
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tadzik |
here's the thing: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]c/core/Pod.pm#L20 |
| 16:38 |
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tadzik |
Pod::Block::Declarator is what generally gets attached to objects |
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tadzik |
.WHEREFORE is the object, so you can go both ways, from object to docs and the other way around, but that does not matter |
| 16:39 |
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tadzik |
so the simpliest (simplest?) thing that we can do, is so that P::B::Declarator checks for any content it may have, and if it doesn't have any it fetches it from a file we choose |
| 16:39 |
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tadzik |
or tries |
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pmichaud |
I was wondering if there's an equivalent of a '#include' possibility in pod, such that text from another location is inlined within the current pod. |
| 16:40 |
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tadzik |
which sounds easy enough to do, we may even subclass P::B::Declarator for our own purposes here |
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tadzik |
I don't think there's a way |
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tadzik |
(inlining) |
| 16:41 |
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pmichaud |
maybe we should (get Damian to) add one :) |
| 16:41 |
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tadzik |
why would you want that? |
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pmichaud |
well, the use case I've just given would be one reason |
| 16:41 |
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tadzik |
so that inlining would work lazily? |
| 16:41 |
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pmichaud |
so that text becomes more reusable |
| 16:41 |
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tadzik |
mhm |
| 16:41 |
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pmichaud |
the specific case I'm thinking of would be something like this |
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pmichaud |
let's suppose we have a method in CORE.setting, where we want to pull in the standard documentation but also need to add some rakudo-specific text |
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tadzik |
mhm |
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pmichaud |
I need to see an example of .WHY again -- I've forgotten the syntax :-( |
| 16:43 |
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tadzik |
so how would you see that syntactically? =include some_file.pod? |
| 16:43 |
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pmichaud |
(or, more accurately, I don't remember the current syntax) |
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tadzik |
r: say "" |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«» |
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tadzik |
p6eval: thanks for the newline |
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tadzik |
r: #= this sorts some zebrassub sort-zebras { }; say &sort-zebras.WHY |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«Block::Declarator.new(WHEREFORE => sub+{<anon>} sort-zebras() { ... }, config => ().hash, content => Array.new("this sorts some zebras"))» |
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tadzik |
pmichaud: ^ |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: perfect.... writing... |
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tadzik |
r: #= this sorts some zebrassub sort-zebras { }; say &sort-zebras.WHY.Stringy |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«this sorts some zebras» |
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tadzik |
mayhaps we want that to be .gist too, or so |
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pmichaud |
yes, I was just about to say that. +1 |
| 16:45 |
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tadzik |
I need to reunderstand this print/say oddness |
| 16:45 |
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pmichaud |
say uses the .gist form of things |
| 16:46 |
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tadzik |
and gist is rather non-technical |
| 16:46 |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: maybe something like https://gist.github.com/2949346 , where I've made up the include<...> directive to denote the inlined text. It's just a placeholder; we should definitely come up with a better syntax. |
| 16:47 |
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pmichaud |
the idea being we can grab a section of text (similar to what p6doc will ultimately want to do) and pull it inline into the .WHY |
| 16:47 |
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tadzik |
right |
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tadzik |
we could also keep CORE.pod and CORE.pod.rakudo and merge them during build like we do with src/core/files and gen/CORE.setting :) |
| 16:48 |
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tadzik |
but it may be just me being lazy |
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pmichaud |
yes, we can do that also, but we pay a storage cost for that. |
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tadzik |
hm |
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tadzik |
or maybe we put the rakudo-specific parts in the setting, and the general ones outside |
| 16:49 |
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tadzik |
so .WHY merges those |
| 16:49 |
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pmichaud |
right, that's what I'm advocating |
| 16:49 |
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tadzik |
hm |
| 16:49 |
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pmichaud |
so our CORE.setting contains a bunch of #= include<...> tags |
| 16:50 |
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tadzik |
oh, I thought of it differently |
| 16:50 |
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pmichaud |
which pulls in the text when .WHY is requested |
| 16:50 |
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tadzik |
hmm |
| 16:50 |
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tadzik |
what I thought is... let me write this down |
| 16:51 |
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pmichaud |
anyway, I'm just planting the idea seed for now. I really like the idea that CORE.setting gets its .WHY values "on demand" from a documentation source that can be shared among implementations. |
| 16:52 |
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pmichaud |
kind of an AUTOLOAD for .WHY :-) |
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tadzik |
https://gist.github.com/2949346#comments |
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tadzik |
heh, markdown turned a comment into a HEADLINE |
| 16:52 |
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tadzik |
yes, that makes sense |
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tadzik |
(what you say) |
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sergot |
Who is going to go to the YAPC::EU? :) |
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tadzik |
me |
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pmichaud |
I was thinking more of "process-inlines-in(@.content)". |
| 16:53 |
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tadzik |
that makes sense as well |
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UncleFester6 |
r: my @a = (10, 20 ,30 ,40); my @l := gather { for @a {say "hi"; take $_ } }; say ~@l |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«hihihihi10 20 30 40» |
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tadzik |
oh-oh! |
| 16:54 |
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tadzik |
We can have a custom Formatting Code for that |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: yes |
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pmichaud |
that's why I made it look like include<...> :-) |
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tadzik |
:) |
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UncleFester6 |
r: my @a = (10, 20 ,30 ,40); my @l := gather { for @a {say "hi"; take $_ } }; .say for @l |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«hihihihi10203040» |
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tadzik |
and it won't even leak out |
| 16:54 |
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tadzik |
okay, so that we can do |
| 16:55 |
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tadzik |
oh wait |
| 16:55 |
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tadzik |
we have that already |
| 16:55 |
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tadzik |
A second kind of link—the P<> or placement link—works in the opposite direction. Instead of directing focus out to another document, it allows you to assimilate the contents of another document into your own. |
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UncleFester6 |
I am having trouble understanding gather/take/lazy eval. How do I loop through @l and get hi 10 hi 20 hi 30 hi 40 |
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tadzik |
In other words, the P<> formatting code takes a URI and (where possible) inserts the contents of the corresponding document inline in place of the code itself. |
| 16:55 |
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tadzik |
. o O ( there's a spec for that ) |
| 16:55 |
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tadzik |
pmichaud: so we have everything we need in the spec, I think |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: awesome! That's what I wanted to know :-) |
| 16:56 |
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tadzik |
I didn't remember about that one |
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pmichaud |
I thought it might be in the spec already |
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tadzik |
pmichaud: see http://perlcabal.org/syn/S26.html#Placement+links |
| 16:56 |
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tadzik |
the formatting is a bit broken here though |
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* [Coke] |
yawns. |
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pmichaud |
I'm also fine if WHY.content returns the raw string, and WHY.contest.gist does the inlining |
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tadzik |
it should be put into a code block |
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pmichaud |
*WHY.content.gist |
| 16:57 |
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tadzik |
yeah, that ought to be fine |
| 16:57 |
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pmichaud |
something like that |
| 16:57 |
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tadzik |
so Rakudo needn't do anything |
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tadzik |
since we'll use Pod formatters for everything anyway; |
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UncleFester6 |
r: my @a = (10, 20 ,30 ,40); my @l := gather { for @a {say "hi"; take $_ } }; .say <== @l |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Sorry, do not know how to handle this case of a feed operator yet. at line 2, near " @l"» |
| 16:58 |
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UncleFester6 |
Anyone into being lazy that can help? |
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tadzik |
r: my @a = (10, 20 ,30 ,40); my @l := gather { for @a {say "hi"; take $_ } }; .say for @l.list |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«hihihihi10203040» |
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tadzik |
r: my @a = (10, 20 ,30 ,40); my @l := gather { for @a {say "hi"; take $_ } }; say "alalala"; .say for @l.list |
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p6eval |
rakudo a2bacb: OUTPUT«alalalahihihihi10203040» |
| 17:01 |
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pmichaud |
I think 'for' is still over-eager in Rakudo. |
| 17:01 |
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pmichaud |
that's on my to-do list for today |
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[Coke] |
aha. |
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[Coke] |
.u 302 |
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phenny |
[Coke]: Sorry, no results for '302'. |
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[Coke] |
.u 0302 |
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phenny |
U+0302 COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT (◌̂) |
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[Coke] |
.u 0240 |
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phenny |
U+0240 LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH SWASH TAIL (ɀ) |
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[Coke] |
if my p6 program consists entirely of: (hd fail.t) : |
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[Coke] |
00000000 23 c2 a0 0a |#...| |
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[Coke] |
00000004 |
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[Coke] |
then I get the pugs decodeUTF8 error. |
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[Coke] |
looks like a unicode whitespace character (seen in a lot of the L<> links in the spectest suite back to the spec. |
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[Coke] |
e.g. in "Perl<not an ascii space>5" |
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[Coke] |
.u .c2 |
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phenny |
U+34C2 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-34C2 (㓂) |
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phenny |
U+35C2 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-35C2 (㗂) |
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phenny |
U+36C2 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-36C2 (㛂) [...] |
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[Coke] |
.u 00c2 |
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phenny |
U+00C2 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX (Â) |
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[Coke] |
.u 00a0 |
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phenny |
U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE ( ) |
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dalek |
roast: 12a36cc | pmichaud++ | S02-lists/tree.t: |
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dalek |
roast: Fudge a failing tree.t test. |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/12a36cce42 |
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sergot |
.u 0488 |
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phenny |
U+0488 COMBINING CYRILLIC HUNDRED THOUSANDS SIGN (҈) |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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sorear |
shachaf: No. |
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sorear |
moritz: No. |
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[Coke] |
pugs: » |
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p6eval |
pugs: OUTPUT«***  Unexpected "\187" expecting program at /tmp/5eCxT62mkD line 1, column 1» |
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[Coke] |
locally that also complains about decodeUTF8' |
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flussence |
I think the build failure I was getting earlier could be a 32/64 bit thing. About to double-check that... |
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pmichaud |
afk # lunch and kid pickup |
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flussence |
well there goes that theory, I just built the same source tree fine in 64 then 32 bit... |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: d223755 | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: fix types in error messages |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Patch courtesy of Nick Glencross |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/d223755476 |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: cb28ebf | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: fix types in error messages |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: Patch courtesy of Nick Glencross |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/cb28ebf7d9 |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: bfcce00 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: first step towards "no strict;" |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: No way to test it yet, because $*STRICT is never set to a false valu |
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dalek |
rakudo/no-strict: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/bfcce00f81 |
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sisar |
moritz: "fix types in error messages" <--- did you just make a typo when typing "typo"?! or was it intentional ? :) |
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tadzik |
:) |
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moritz |
sisar: it was a typo :/ |
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tadzik |
now do a push --focre :P |
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sorear |
o/ mikemol !!! |
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mikemol |
lo |
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* mikemol |
is sad, tired and frustrated. |
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mikemol |
Best not to get any on you. |
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tadzik |
hugme: hug mikemol |
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* hugme |
hugs mikemol |
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* sorear |
hugs mikemol personally. |
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flussence |
I've reproduced RT#113660 completely on my netbook but doing so doesn't give me any ideas. It worked on my desktop's 32-bit chroot though which is pretty out of date system-wise, maybe it's a gcc 4.6-related bug? :/ |
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moritz |
phenny: tell masak use.perl.org seems to be dead, the two links on http://rakudo.org/how-to-help/ to your journal are dead |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when masak is around. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 94a8bbe | tadzik++ | src/core/Pod.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Make Pod::Block::Declarator stringification more friendly |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/94a8bbe759 |
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moritz |
phenny: ask masak do you plan to mirror the posts somewhere? I think I have an HTML dump of all of your journal entries |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when masak is around. |
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moritz |
oh, it seems that the posts are already on http://strangelyconsistent.org/ I just don't have the mapping |
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sorear |
phenny: seen masak |
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sorear |
seen masak |
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aloha |
masak was last seen in #perl6 4 days 12 hours ago saying "flight &". |
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tadzik |
I hope he landed safely |
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sorear |
I didn't realize Malmö to London was *that* long of a flight |
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pmichaud |
I suppose it depends on masak++'s wingspan |
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sisar |
seen jnthn |
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aloha |
jnthn was last seen in #perl6 4 days 19 hours ago saying "phenny stuff that matters :)". |
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moritz |
phenny: tell masak never mind, I've updated the links |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when masak is around. |
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sisar |
has clang been tried for rakudo development ? |
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moritz |
I'm pretty sure that some folks have compiled parrot and rakudo with it |
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moritz |
recently |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: e80b1b1 | pmichaud++ | src/core/Parcel.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Parcel.elems should flatten (per TimToady++ at yapc::na 2012). |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e80b1b1240 |
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pmichaud |
I'm getting a spectest failure in t/spec/S32-documentation/why.t |
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pmichaud |
tests 2, 14 |
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[Coke] |
WHY! |
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tadzik |
noes, WHY? :( |
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pmichaud |
oh, I see the problem. |
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tadzik |
I probably screwed that recently |
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pmichaud |
looks like you eliminated Stringy when adding .gist |
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pmichaud |
we need both, I suspect. |
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tadzik |
oh |
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tadzik |
no, I think the tests have worked accidentally |
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looks at tests |
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pmichaud |
well, clearly test #2 is likely due to a lack of .Stringy |
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tadzik |
true |
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pmichaud |
and #14 also |
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pmichaud |
since comparison will compare the stringy forms |
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tadzik |
although it may be that I've just invented this rule |
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tadzik |
I don't think it's specced |
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tadzik |
#14 should probably use .WHY.content |
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tadzik |
everything else does |
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pmichaud |
hmmm |
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pmichaud |
I suspect that .WHY should stringify naturally into its content |
| 20:17 |
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tadzik |
but #2 clearly expects Stringy, and I don't see why it shouldn't |
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tadzik |
it used to |
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pmichaud |
right... but .Stringy disappeared :) |
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pmichaud |
I'll fix it. |
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tadzik |
I can do that |
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pmichaud |
okay, I'll let you do it. :) |
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tadzik |
so .gist can just call .Stringy |
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pmichaud |
correct. |
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tadzik |
is that a common pattern in the setting? |
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pmichaud |
yes. |
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pmichaud |
it's not uncommon. |
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moritz |
where did stringy disappear from? |
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tadzik |
sounds like "oh, say() now behaves differently than print(), let's fix it :)" |
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tadzik |
Pod::Block::Declarator |
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tadzik |
funny, I thought "bah, no way there are tests relying on this" |
| 20:20 |
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moritz |
oh |
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moritz |
for a moment I hoped it was gone from the specs |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: perhaps it should be Str instead of Stringy, though. |
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pmichaud |
src/core/Version.pm:13: multi method gist(Version:D:) { self.Str } |
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pmichaud |
src/core/Numeric.pm:22: multi method gist(Numeric:D:) { self.Str } |
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pmichaud |
src/core/List.pm:319: multi method gist(List:D:) { self.Str } |
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pmichaud |
etc. |
| 20:21 |
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moritz |
now that we have .gist, do we really need .Stringy to print junctions? |
| 20:22 |
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tadzik |
hehe, google images for "Jim Keenan" yields surprising results |
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pmichaud |
istr that .Stringy was about more than just printing junctions. |
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tadzik |
apparently there's also some bare-chested metalhead with that name |
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pmichaud |
in particular, .Stringy is allowed to return lazy strings |
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moritz |
yes, it was also a premature generailzation of coercion to more string types |
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[Coke] |
etoomanyways to stringify. |
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moritz |
agreed |
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tadzik |
agreed |
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pmichaud |
meh, we have lots of ways to numify; seems like multiple ways to stringify also makes sense. |
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tadzik |
(: |
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moritz |
and if we default to .Stringy-fication, we need *another* layer of indirection |
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[Coke] |
pmichaud: I'm pretty much going to use print "$foo\n" instead of say $foo to avoid "weird" stringification. |
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tadzik |
so .Stringy calls .Str by default |
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tadzik |
why do we need .Stringy anyway? |
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moritz |
currently for infix:<~>(Cool, Cool) (or Any, Any; not sure) we do nqp::concat($a.Str, $b.Str) |
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moritz |
erm |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: I wouldn't worry about it at the moment. Just implement Str for P::B::D |
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tadzik |
yeah, it's compiling |
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moritz |
nqp::concat(nqp::unbox_s($a.Str), nqp::unbox_s($b.Str)) |
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moritz |
if we need .Stringy instead of .Str, we need *another* dispatch on the result |
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pmichaud |
not necessarily for Cool types |
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pmichaud |
for Any, yeah. |
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moritz |
because we might not be able to unbox the return value |
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moritz |
pmichaud: why not for Cool? |
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moritz |
pmichaud: there can be user-defined Cool types |
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pmichaud |
we could declare that Cool types always have .Stringy --> .Str |
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pmichaud |
anyway, I doubt we'll resolve much w/o TimToady present. Perhaps we need to develop a position and corner him at yapc::eu or something :) |
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moritz |
in my head I've pushed non-Str Stringy to post-6.0 already |
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pmichaud |
wfm |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: c203977 | tadzik++ | src/core/Pod.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Fix Pod::Block::Declarator stringification, tadzik-- |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c2039772f3 |
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sorear |
o/ sergot, cognominal |
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cognominal |
\o to the usual suspects |
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sorear |
o/ harmil |
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harmil |
hey |
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sisar |
'master' is the, umm, master branch for the nqp repo ? |
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pmichaud |
sisar: yes. |
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sisar |
in the nom folder, `git checkout master` , `git pull`, `git log` shows that the last commit was on June 11. Whats wrong ? |
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tadzik |
nom folder is for rakudo, not nqp |
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sisar |
sorry, s/nom/nqp |
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moritz |
sisar: what does git log origin/master say? |
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pmichaud |
...the last commit was on June 11. :-) |
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tadzik |
:P |
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moritz |
oh :-) |
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pmichaud |
https://github.com/perl6/nqp |
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sisar |
oh ! duh ! i got confused between nqp and nom ! |
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pmichaud |
shows commit b1226f by jnthn++ on June 11. |
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sisar |
oops... |
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sorear |
sisar: you haven't committed anything recently, that's what's wrong! :D |
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sorear |
sisar: alternatively: "YAPC::NA" |
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sisar |
sorear: :-) |
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moritz |
r: no strict; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===CHECK FAILED:Undefined routine '&strict' called (line 1)Undefined routine '&no' called (line 1)» |
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pmichaud |
looks like rakudo doesn't know 'no' yet. |
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moritz |
aye |
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moritz |
ok, stupid question, why does Perl6::Grammar use <sym> (instead of <.sym>) so often? |
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sisar |
ain't rakudo supposed to warn on NYI features ? |
| 20:49 |
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moritz |
I mean, it's a constant. Not much sense in capturing it |
| 20:50 |
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moritz |
sisar: yes, I'll add that in my branch |
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pmichaud |
moritz: sometimes <sym> is used in Actions.pm |
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pmichaud |
at least, it was used once -- e.g., when several statements had the same code generation that differed by only the keyword being used |
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sisar |
moritz++ |
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moritz |
pmichaud: any objections to changing that where it doesn't break things? |
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pmichaud |
moritz: no objections here; it lookslike the common uses of <sym> are in statements (for, given) and binding/assignment |
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pmichaud |
also 'while' |
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pmichaud |
looks like it gets used in most expressions, too |
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moritz |
there's not a single <.sym> in Grammar.pm |
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pmichaud |
are there many in STD.pm, ooc? |
| 20:54 |
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moritz |
none either |
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pmichaud |
looks like none in STD.pm, too. |
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sorear |
yes, <sym> is uesed *everytwhere* in STD |
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pmichaud |
anyway, I'm not sure there will be a lot of places that we can safely replace <sym> with <.sym>, but you're welcome to try :-) |
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sisar |
'ooc' ~~ 'out of context' ? |
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harmil |
Does it make sense to do that for everything that doesn't need to be captured? |
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pmichaud |
harmil: only if we know that it doesn't need capturing. |
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moritz |
but if we do, yes |
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moritz |
saves memory |
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pmichaud |
I think you have to keep <sym> for all of statement_control: |
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pmichaud |
maybe <.sym> will work for statement_prefix |
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pmichaud |
definitely need <.sym> for statement_mod_cond and statement_mod_loop |
| 20:57 |
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pmichaud |
er, definitely need <sym> for ... |
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moritz |
r: True-bla |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===CHECK FAILED:Undefined routine '&bla' called (line 1)» |
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moritz |
bug! |
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tadzik |
sisar: out of curiosity |
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harmil |
Wait… does it save memory? |
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sisar |
tadzik: ah. thanks. |
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moritz |
should parse True-bla as an identifier, and complain that the whole thing is not defined |
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moritz |
harmil: the more you capture, the more memory it takes |
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harmil |
wouldn't those <sym> captures be freed up once the caller returns? |
| 20:59 |
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moritz |
harmil: so replacing <sym> by <.sym> saves memory |
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pmichaud |
can probably switch special_variable <sym> to <.sym>... but probably won't save much memory |
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moritz |
harmil: not necessarily; there might references to those Match objects somewhere |
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harmil |
true |
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pmichaud |
switching the twigil <sym> to <.sym> probably saves a bit |
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pmichaud |
not sure about package_declarator |
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pmichaud |
or multi declarator |
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pmichaud |
anyway.... there'd need to be a lot of checking on many of them before switching, since <sym> is used fairly frequently in the compiler |
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moritz |
I think the package_declarator keeps track of the package type in $*PKGDECL |
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pmichaud |
and it's probably only worth switching ones that occur frequently, like in terms or expressions |
| 21:03 |
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pmichaud |
and the regex compiler may need to be told how to handle <.sym> specially, since it's not a standard subrule call. |
| 21:03 |
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moritz |
oh |
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pmichaud |
i.e., there's no 'sym' method for Cursor defined. |
| 21:04 |
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pmichaud |
<sym> is currently very macro-ish. |
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moritz |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <.sym> } }; say A.parse('a') |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«q[a] => q[a]» |
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moritz |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <sym> } }; say A.parse('a') |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«q[a] sym => q[a]» |
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pmichaud |
yeah, looks like it still captured even with the dot, but to the wrong slot. |
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moritz |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <.sym> } }; say A.parse('a').keys |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«» |
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moritz |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <.sym> } }; say A.parse('a').values |
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rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«a» |
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moritz |
another bug |
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pmichaud |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <.sym> } }; say A.parse('a').keys.elems |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«1» |
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moritz |
r: grammar A { proto token TOP {*}; token TOP:sym<a> { <.sym> } }; say A.parse('a').keys.perl |
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p6eval |
rakudo 94a8bb: OUTPUT«("",).list» |
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pmichaud |
yeah, since <sym> isn't a standard subrule call it doesn't quite know how to modify it |
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pmichaud |
I think that the compiler translates <sym> into something like $<sym>=['foo'] |
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pmichaud |
i.e., it's a literal match that is captured. |
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pmichaud |
of course, if you want to avoid the capture, it's always possible to switch token term:sym<xyz> { <sym> ... } to be token term:sym<xyz> { 'xyz' ... } |
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pmichaud |
moritz: did you see the outcome of the 1+1+1+1+... bug earlier? We're hitting the recursion limit, and the exception handlers go into an infinite loop. Is there some way we can avoid the infinite exception handling loop? |
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moritz |
pmichaud: through which routines does it loop? |
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pmichaud |
I didn't check to find out |
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pmichaud |
when I ran with -ll-exception, it threw the "recursion limit" exception right away. |
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pmichaud |
but without --ll-exception, it just hangs. |
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moritz |
will try to look into it tomorrow |
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pmichaud |
okay |
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moritz |
assertion:sym<name> creates a literal |
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moritz |
but assertion:sym<method> (which parses <.sym>) sets the rxtype to method |
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pmichaud |
no, it sets the subtype to 'method' |
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pmichaud |
the rxtype remains <subcapture> |
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moritz |
erm right, subtype |
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pmichaud |
I wonder if it makes sense to grab assertion:sym<sym> and assertion:sym<.sym> specially |
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* moritz |
-> sleep |
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pmichaud |
phenny: tell harmil see https://gist.github.com/2950855 for the results of 1+1+1+1+... after bumping up Parrot's recursion limit. It looks like the optimizer goes quadratic with long expressions, and that's what eats up all of the time. Execution itself isn't bad (I suspect it's just a constant at the end). |
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phenny |
pmichaud: I'll pass that on when harmil is around. |
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pmichaud |
looks to me like the optimizer is saving all of the intermediate constants and perhaps shouldn't. |
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harmil |
day again? |
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phenny |
harmil: 21:34Z <pmichaud> tell harmil see https://gist.github.com/2950855 for the results of 1+1+1+1+... after bumping up Parrot's recursion limit. It looks like the optimizer goes quadratic with long expressions, and that's what eats up all of the time. Execution itself isn't bad (I suspect it's just a constant at the end). |
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harmil |
*sat |
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harmil |
*say … bah :) |
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harmil |
interesting |
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pmichaud |
so yeah, the basic parse of 1+1+1+1+...+1 (10000) takes 20 seconds to parse and generate the ast.... and that's probably too slow. But the optimizer then is decidely... unoptimal. :-) |
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harmil |
heh |
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pmichaud |
anyway, it's an excellent test case. harmil++ |
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pmichaud |
I'm spectesting with the bumped-up-recursion-limit now, will commit shortly. |
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harmil |
how do you set the recursion limit? |
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pmichaud |
it's a property on the parrot interpreter |
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harmil |
And is there a way to set those from nqp? |
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pmichaud |
pir::getinterp__P().recursion_limit(100000); |
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harmil |
Ah, nice |
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pmichaud |
can do it from within rakudo, actually. |
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pmichaud |
parrot's default recursion limit is 1000 |
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harmil |
Well, the lines kind of blur, but I was toying with it in Actions.pm |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: ddfb9ff | pmichaud++ | src/main.nqp: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Bump up Parrot's recursion limit when we start (from default 1000 to 100000). |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/ddfb9fff56 |
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harmil |
I was toying with the idea that recursion limit should be dynamic, based on what kind of structure you're parsing. |
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sisar |
what is perl6's equivalent of C's "struct" ? (I'm reluctant to make a class and then instantiate it just to store a collection of related (typed) variables.) |
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pmichaud |
sisar: it's nyi, but perl6's equivalent of a C struct will be a class. |
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pmichaud |
http://perlcabal.org/syn/S09.html#Compact_structs |
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* sisar |
looks |
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sisar |
what does "compact" refer to in "compact struct" ? |
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pmichaud |
that the attributes are contiguous in memory, I suspect. |
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pmichaud |
i.e., they act as if they had been written in a c-style struct |
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pmichaud |
i.e., writing |
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pmichaud |
class XYZ { has int $x; has num @foo; } |
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pmichaud |
is similar to doing |
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pmichaud |
struct XYZ { int x; float foo[]; } # in C |
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pmichaud |
(probably need an index on @foo there.) |
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pmichaud |
it's masak_plane! |
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pmichaud |
\o/ |
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tadzik |
it's a plane! |
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tadzik |
it's a bird! |
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sisar |
this compactness indirectly implies that we can only have low-level types in this class ? |
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masak_plane |
Oh hai from a freakin' airplane! |
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tadzik |
how is it even possible |
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pmichaud |
sisar: yes, that's what the first sentence says, I think. |
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masak_plane |
This is awesome! |
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sisar |
masak_plane: how does the plane have internet ? |
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masak_plane |
I'm flying... AND I'm on IRC. |
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pmichaud |
if you have a class with only low-level types, it behaves like a struct |
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tadzik |
the carry the wire |
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tadzik |
I think we've already discussed that here |
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tadzik |
eh, the english bad |
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masak_plane |
Won't last long though. We're going in for landing soon. |
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pmichaud |
masak_plane: all of my planes to and from yapc::na had internet available on them. Inexpensive, too, $5 for the full trip. |
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pmichaud |
(I didn't purchase wifi, though, because the flights were very short.) |
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masak_plane |
sisar: what tadzik said. |
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sisar |
right |
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sisar |
tadzik: "carry the wire" ? |
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pmichaud |
masak_plane: landing is.... where? (ooc) |
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masak_plane |
pmichaud: free internets here. |
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pmichaud |
ooooh, free internets |
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masak_plane |
Norwegian++ |
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tadzik |
free as in freedom! |
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masak_plane |
sisar: we're joking you a tiddle bittle. |
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masak_plane |
pmichaud: CPH |
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sisar |
masak_plane: :-) |
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masak_plane |
Ok, going offline. Nice to meet y'all. |
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pmichaud |
right, it's not wires -- it's carrier pigeons. |
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pmichaud |
the pigeons catch up to the plane and have their packets decoded. |
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pmichaud |
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149 |
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sisar |
pmichaud: and this class can have both private and public variables ? (provided both are low-level types of course) |
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pmichaud |
sisar: I suspect that's possible, yes. |
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sisar |
pmichaud: nice. |
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* sisar |
likes compact structs |
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pmichaud |
I know that jnthn++ has already considered the needs of compact structs in implementing 6model (the underlying object metamodel for nqp and rakudo), so there's at least some foundation for them |
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pmichaud |
but, I don't have an eta for when they might appear in rakudo. |
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pmichaud |
afk for a while |
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sisar |
pmichaud: i can wait :-) |
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sisar |
phenny: ask pmichaud, the lazy vs. eager model you have for lists and arrays right now, have you thought about if it will work for n-dimentional arrays/lists too? (ooc) |
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phenny |
sisar: I'll pass that on when pmichaud is around. |
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sorear |
FFF |
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sorear |
well, at least I can stop worrying whether masak is alive now. |
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sisar |
sorear: "FFF" ? |
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flussence |
we never found out what his wingspan was :( |
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pmichaud |
"FFF" = 4095 |
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phenny |
pmichaud: 22:28Z <sisar> ask pmichaud the lazy vs. eager model you have for lists and arrays right now, have you thought about if it will work for n-dimentional arrays/lists too? (ooc) |
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sisar |
flussence: large enough to catch internet signals from ground ;-) |
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sorear |
sisar: a noise of great frustration |
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sisar |
sorear: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fff, right ? |
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sorear |
no. |
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sisar |
oh |
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* felher |
just noticed that TimToady++ did a quite funny Q&A at the yapc:na :) $guy: "I'm kinda new to programming. Why should i learn Perl?". Larry Wall: "Uh... beats me... " :) |
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felher |
pmichaud: i'm kinda missing your first talk... did it even get recorded? :/ |
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* masak |
home |
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phenny |
masak: 19:41Z <moritz> tell masak use.perl.org seems to be dead, the two links on http://rakudo.org/how-to-help/ to your journal are dead |
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phenny |
masak: 19:41Z <moritz> ask masak do you plan to mirror the posts somewhere? I think I have an HTML dump of all of your journal entries |
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phenny |
masak: 19:55Z <moritz> tell masak never mind, I've updated the links |
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masak |
all my posts are mirrored. |
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masak |
see http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]inct-perl6-flavor |
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masak |
hm, and http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]just-a-tree-silly |
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felher |
o/ masak :) |
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felher |
masak: if i might ask: how's your qast/macro work going? :) |
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masak |
status still as per last blog post. |
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* felher |
started to learn lisp to play a bit with macros and it didn't make him less excited ... :) |
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masak |
I've been on a two-week leave from everything and everyone, and this weekend I've been in London with friends. think of it as an early summer vacation. |
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masak |
my batteries are *charged*, baby. |
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masak |
tonight on the way to Gatwick airport I started storyboarding the re-make of my macros talk. looks very promising. |
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felher |
masak: ah, yeah. I noticed that i have been seeing you less lateley, but since i normaly don't backlog, i thought it to be pure coincidence :) |
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masak |
and the road forward with QAST is pretty straight. won't land in this month's release, but very probably in the next. |
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felher |
masak: hui. Where will you give the new macro talk? :) |
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masak |
FPW. |
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masak |
be there or be a French square. |
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masak |
(a French square is probably a rhombus or something) |
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felher |
Awesome, only about ten days. (/me is going to be a french square, i guess) |
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felher |
Do you know if there will be live streaming and/or recordings? |
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masak |
dunno. ask eiro. |
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masak |
or cognominal. |
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masak |
oh my, it's in ten days! :) |
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felher |
eiro: cognominal: any idea if there will be a live stream/recordings? (FPW 2012) :) |
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felher |
good night, #perl6 |
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masak |
'night, #perl6 |
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cognominal |
felher, ask eiro, he is the organizer. |
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cognominal |
I think there will be some recording, I don't if it will be live streamed. |
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cognominal |
*don't know |
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cognominal |
feller, do you have an url for TimToady's talk? |
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felher |
cognominal: thanks, i'll ask eiro. |
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felher |
cognominal: yes, i do. one moment. |
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felher |
cognominal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]kk&feature=relmfu |
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felher |
eiro: any idea if there will be a live stream/recordings? (FPW 2012) :) eiro++ # for organizing such an event :) |
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* felher |
-> bed (really) |
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cognominal |
he must be sleeping by now as I should do instead of fighting js/jquery/coffeescript/ST2 |
