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rakudo/nom: 95dfc00 | pmichaud++ | src/core/Version.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Revise Version.Str / .gist / .perl . |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: After thinking about it a bit more, I'm of the opinion that |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: $version.Str should produce a string that doesn't include |
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rakudo/nom: a leading 'v'. The .gist form does have a leading 'v', however, |
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rakudo/nom: so C< say $version > still does what one expects. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: When putting a version in the middle of a string we'll often want |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: to exclude any leading 'v' (e.g., when generating filenames), |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: it's much easier to add a 'v' when it's needed than it is to |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: eliminate one we don't want. Also, the form without the |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: leading 'v' is the only one that can (so far) reliably have |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: much chance of round-tripping back into Version.new(...), |
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rakudo/nom: since alphabetics in strings arguments to Version.new are meaningful. |
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rakudo/nom: |
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rakudo/nom: At the moment the spec is somewhat silent on this topic, so |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: I'm hoping this will make more sense. If not, a spec |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: clarification or some official tests will let us know how to |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: improve it. :-) |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/95dfc0007b |
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jnthn: I feel your pain on PIR method/opcode/directive naming issues. a lot of those were done organically. |
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roast: e47e2da | pmichaud++ | S (2 files): |
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dalek |
roast: Update tests for .values; .values returns something safely mutable. |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/e47e2da725 |
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dalek |
roast: 593c77c | pmichaud++ | S02-literals/version.t: |
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dalek |
roast: Update version stringification tests. |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/593c77cf40 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 499cc68 | pmichaud++ | src/core/Version.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Cleanup Version .parts handling a bit. |
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rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/499cc68bd7 |
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pmichaud: ping |
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pmichaud: I found that why built dyncall failed between different strawberry perl versions |
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diakopter |
oh? |
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pmichaud: try "cd nqp\3rdparty\dyncall\dyncall && as -o dyncall_call.o dyncall_call.S" |
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pmichaud: you will see an emtpy dyncall_call.o file in higher strawberry perl version |
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pmichaud: this error aslo occured in dyncall 0.6, then I updated it to 0.7 |
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machinebrain |
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moritz |
\oy |
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moritz: 11 Jul 20:56Z <tadzik> tell moritz panda on offline-bootstrap is capable of installing itself to a specified directory without an internet connection. That could prove useful for Star |
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moritz: 11 Jul 20:59Z <tadzik> tell moritz also, by manipulating projects.json.bootstrap and bootstrap.pl it should be able to install any Star modules required, all offline |
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hello hello |
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dalek |
doc: 6fe21c0 | (Felix Herrmann)++ | lib/Numeric.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: add coercion to Rat/Num/Int/Real |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/6fe21c0270 |
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moritz |
felher++ |
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* moritz |
finally tests and applies the patches from https://gist.github.com/3059358 |
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hoelzro |
better than fehler++, right? =) |
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moritz |
aye :-) |
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hoelzro |
I tried something like the following last night: https://gist.github.com/3096456 |
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hoelzro |
I expected it to output 1, but it outputs 3; it seems the hash expands; why is that? |
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moritz |
because hashes flatten |
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moritz |
use %hash.item if you want to prevent that |
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moritz |
or don't use a slurpy in the signature |
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moritz |
r: https://gist.github.com/3096456 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 499cc6: OUTPUT«3» |
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hoelzro |
moritz: do arrays flatten as well? |
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hoelzro: yes |
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hoelzro: in general, flattening is controlled by the sigil |
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hoelzro |
but only if a slurpy parameter is used? |
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moritz |
% and @ flatten, $ does not |
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moritz |
hoelzro: correct |
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hoelzro |
hmm...I didn't expect that |
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hoelzro |
I thought I read that "arrays don't flatten in Perl6" |
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moritz |
r: sub f(%h) { say %h.elems }; my %h = :a, :b, :c; f %h |
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p6eval |
rakudo 499cc6: OUTPUT«3» |
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moritz |
hoelzro: that's certainly wrong in that generality |
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hoelzro |
there doesn't happen to be a way to specify a slurpy parameter that doesn't flatten its arguments, does there? |
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moritz |
people say and write a lot of crackpot things about Perl 6. Don't believe everything :-) |
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hoelzro |
moritz: I thought I read that in the synopses =P |
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moritz |
hoelzro: well, arrays don't flatten into argument lists. It's the callee side that flattens |
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hoelzro |
I was writing a simple RPC function that accepts a method name and an arbitary list of arguments, so it needs to be slurpy |
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moritz |
you can always do something like |
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moritz: the callee flattens when it "binds" to the signature? |
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moritz |
r: sub f(|$everything) { say $everything.perl }; my %h = :a, :b, :!c; f(%h) |
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p6eval |
rakudo 499cc6: OUTPUT«Capture.new( list => ("a" => Bool::True, "b" => Bool::True, "c" => Bool::False).list, hash => EnumMap.new())» |
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moritz |
hoelzro: right |
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moritz |
hm, that looks wrong. I'd exepcted it to retain the hash |
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moritz |
r: sub f(|$everything) { say $everything[0].WHAT }; my %h = :a, :b; f(%h) |
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p6eval |
rakudo 499cc6: OUTPUT«Hash()» |
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moritz |
ok, it does work |
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moritz |
it's just .perl that flattens it |
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* moritz |
submits rakudobug |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: c758c1b | (Felix Herrmann)++ | src/core/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: add X::Numeric::Real |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz <moritz faui2k3.org> |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c758c1bc38 |
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hoelzro |
moritz: I'll have to play with the | in the signature, thanks =) |
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hoelzro |
I'm making a list of all of the "I don't know how to do this" while writing my chat bot =) |
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diakopter |
01:54 -!- imarcusthis [~marcus-fr231.110.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has joined #perl6 |
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moritz |
Capture.perl bug submitted as RT #114100 |
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diakopter |
ergh |
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diakopter |
good thing it didn't paste more than that |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: 7fb26ae | (Felix Herrmann)++ | S32-setting-library/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: introduce X::Numeric::Real |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz <moritzfaui2k3.org> |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/7fb26aef67 |
| 07:40 |
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moritz |
oops, wrong branch |
| 07:40 |
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dalek |
specs: 69be1be | (Felix Herrmann)++ | S32-setting-library/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
specs: introduce X::Numeric::Real |
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dalek |
specs: |
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dalek |
specs: Signed-off-by: Moritz Lenz <moritzfaui2k3.org> |
| 07:40 |
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dalek |
specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/69be1be487 |
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dalek |
roast: a47ed9f | moritz++ | S32-exceptions/misc.t: |
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dalek |
roast: test X::Numeric::Real |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/a47ed9fbf8 |
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jnthn |
morning |
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diakopter |
ahoy |
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moritz |
\o |
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ohay |
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szabgab |
hi perl6ers |
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szabgab |
I made some changes to Test.pm to make the subs return theirs truth |
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szabgab |
but then I found out I don't have commit bit for rakudo |
| 09:06 |
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szabgab |
shall I fork it and push it there or shall I wait for a commit bit? |
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moritz |
szabgab: please submit a pull request, or give us a patch or so |
| 09:07 |
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szabgab |
ok, I fork and let you pull |
| 09:07 |
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moritz |
szabgab: unfortunately rakudo commit bits aren't given out as freely as to other projects |
| 09:07 |
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moritz |
(due to ownership/license/purity/whatever-concerns) |
| 09:07 |
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szabgab |
no problem |
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szabgab |
though I think I signed that paper once |
| 09:08 |
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szabgab |
but it never got processed IIRC |
| 09:11 |
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moritz |
phenny: ask pmichaud could you please check if there's a valid CLA for szabgab available? |
| 09:11 |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when pmichaud is around. |
| 09:13 |
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szabgab |
will phenny notice the pull request or do I need to mentione it here? |
| 09:15 |
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moritz |
szabgab: the rakudo comitters (and followers) receive email notification from github |
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moritz |
szabgab: which isn't quite real time, but often good enough |
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szabgab |
ok, and now I have a forked version on my computer, do I need to do some special thing to set the nom branch as the upstream or just |
| 09:17 |
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szabgab |
git remote add upstream git://github.com/rakudo/rakudo.git |
| 09:19 |
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moritz |
that should work, yes |
| 09:19 |
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szabgab |
and then git fetch upstream; git merge upstream/master |
| 09:20 |
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szabgab |
or that last one should be nom ? |
| 09:22 |
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moritz |
yes, nom |
| 09:22 |
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moritz |
there's no rakudo/master |
| 09:22 |
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moritz |
or, there shouldn't be :-) |
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szabgab |
moritz: thanks |
| 09:28 |
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moritz |
szabgab: I'm spectesting rakudo with your Test.pm patch. Will push if everything passes (which I think it will) |
| 09:32 |
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Woodi |
hello today |
| 09:32 |
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Woodi |
someone can help me with starting with niecza on windows with GUI |
| 09:32 |
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Woodi |
? |
| 09:33 |
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Woodi |
got niecza so far :) |
| 09:34 |
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sorear |
What do you mean by "with GUI"? |
| 09:34 |
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moritz |
Woodi: I don't know anything about the topic, but the first thing I'd try to do is run an example |
| 09:34 |
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sorear |
Do you have the .NET framework installed? |
| 09:34 |
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sorear |
Does it work from CMD.EXE? |
| 09:34 |
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moritz |
mberends and colomon have posted example GUI programs |
| 09:34 |
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Woodi |
probably I have .NET |
| 09:34 |
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sorear |
the example GUI programs all require Gtk# |
| 09:34 |
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Woodi |
say 2 + 2; works |
| 09:34 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: c2c02ab | (Gabor Szabo)++ | / (2 files): |
| 09:34 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: change most of the Test.pm functions to return their truth value and test this in the sanity test |
| 09:34 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c2c02abf69 |
| 09:35 |
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sorear |
I would not try them unless you know it works |
| 09:35 |
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Woodi |
examples are not bundled ? |
| 09:35 |
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sorear |
... no, they're not |
| 09:36 |
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sorear |
this is an oversight |
| 09:36 |
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sorear |
if you fetch the source from git, they're in examples/ |
| 09:36 |
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Woodi |
on github ? |
| 09:36 |
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Woodi |
k |
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sorear |
yes |
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Woodi |
do I need GTK or .Net GUI will work ? |
| 09:37 |
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sorear |
GTK |
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Woodi |
ok |
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sorear |
all of the examples are written to use the GTK API |
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sorear |
in theory you could write an example to use System.Windows.Forms or the Windows Presentation Framework, both(?) of which come with .NET on Windows |
| 09:38 |
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sorear |
GTK# has the best cross-platform support though |
| 09:39 |
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sorear |
Qt# and WinForms have poor support on other plaforms, WPF and MonoMac have none at all |
| 09:39 |
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Woodi |
but examples of not portable .Net working GUI apps would be nice :) |
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sorear |
GUIs are IME the main obstacle to realizing the promise of portable apps on the "Common" language infrastructure |
| 09:41 |
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* jnthn |
actually taught WPF once. A while back. :) |
| 09:41 |
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Woodi |
background: there is mod DayZ to ARMA2 game with 3rd party heavy launcher written in Ruby probably... it is so annoing on few levels... :) |
| 09:42 |
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Woodi |
yea, in year 2000 when I hear about Perl6 I hoped for two things: threads and kind-of-universal-NICE-LOOKING-gui... |
| 09:49 |
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Woodi |
-sorear-: I would realy like to try just native .Net GUI with niecza... Any examples somewhere ? |
| 09:50 |
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sorear |
look at the existing examples for .net/p6 interop, then look for winforms/wpf examples on the internet |
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Woodi |
oki |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: 2230db7 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/IO.pod: |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: [S32] clarify that only sub forms of say and print warn without arguments |
| 10:09 |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/2230db7a08 |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: e47c923 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/IO.pod: |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: [S32] remove a mathom |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/e47c923ebd |
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moritz |
could somebody please review the Socket part of S32::IO in the io-refactor branch? |
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moritz |
it's the only major missing piece |
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moritz |
and I don't know much about sockets |
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moritz |
of course reviews of the other stuff would be appreciated too |
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moritz |
oh, and there is IO stuff in S16 too. Shit, I forgot about that |
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moritz |
some of that needs to move to the S32::IO/Here be Dragons/ section too |
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bbkr |
rakudo: use Test; eval_lives_ok '1<&1' |
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rakudo c2c02a: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized variable $v of type Any in numeric context in block <anon> at eval_0:1ok 1 - » |
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niecza with default GTK# installation runs few examples but maybe Cairo is additional dependency ? |
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sorear |
Woodi: maybe! |
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colomon |
o/ |
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had not expected to see sorear awake |
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wonders if sorear is still doing yesterday ;) |
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:| |
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moritz |
jnthn, pmichaud: ping |
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moritz |
I'm trying to add methods 'resume' and 'resumable' to class Exception |
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moritz |
and sub print_control currently uses my $resume := nqp::atkye($ex, 'resume'); if $resume {... } |
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moritz |
however when I add similar code to class Exception, I get get_integer() not implemented in class 'Continuation' |
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moritz |
do I have to specifically check the exception type for 'control'? |
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moritz: plz can I see the code you've added? |
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moritz |
jnthn: method resumable() { nqp::p6bool(nqp::atkey($!ex, 'resume')) } |
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moritz |
./perl6 -e 'try die "foo"; say $!.resumable' |
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jnthn |
try |
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tadzik |
CATCH |
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tadzik |
:) |
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jnthn |
nqp::p6bool(nqp::istrue(nqp::atkey($!ex, 'resume'))) |
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jnthn |
tadzik: oh, CONTROL yourself :P |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: let's KEEP this clean. |
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moritz |
just LEAVE it at that, will you? |
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jnthn |
OK, this will be my LAST comment. |
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moritz |
I'll be the FIRST to try to UNDO the damages that my puns have made |
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[Coke] |
... I might need to START over here. |
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moritz |
yes, do BEGIN |
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jnthn |
When will this END?! |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 74e1838 | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: [Exception] add methods resumable and resume |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/74e1838375 |
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tadzik |
follow this way and you'll ENTER a road of madness |
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wonders what an outsider would make of this conversation :-) |
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jnthn |
Yeah, and don't forget to CHECK out the flying pink giraffe by the roadside. |
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jnthn |
moritz: They'd say, "#perl6 is a really strange place, INIT?" |
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moritz |
jnthn: as long as they don't want to REDO #perl6 in their own way, that's fine :-) |
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jnthn |
Fail! There is no REDO phaser :P |
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moritz |
there... isn't? |
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moritz |
OH NOES |
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jnthn |
Not in S04 at least. :) |
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[Coke] |
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! |
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moritz |
ok, we've missed PRE, POST and NEXT |
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mauke |
PREPOSTerous |
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moritz |
let's move on to the NEXT type of pun then :-) |
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timotimo |
we took the concept of taking a concept and running with it and just ran with it! |
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timotimo |
... and that's how autopuns were made |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: 09c9f53 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/Exception.pod: |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: [S32::Exception] mention methods resumable and resume |
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dalek |
specs/io-refactor: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/09c9f53eaf |
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moritz |
wrong branch again. HATE. |
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not used to having branches in specs |
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moritz |
so I should merge soon, right? |
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moritz |
somebody please confirm that S32 is less insane in the branch than in master :-) |
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pmichaud |
good morning, briefly |
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pmichaud: 09:11Z <moritz> ask pmichaud could you please check if there's a valid CLA for szabgab available? |
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pmichaud |
moritz: don't see one in the spreadsheet |
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jnthn |
o/ Pm |
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pmichaud |
o/ |
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pmichaud: ok, thanks |
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pmichaud |
afk, errands |
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Woodi |
-sorear-: I got few times: Unhandled exception: ... at /home/stefan/rel/niecza/... that's unnecesary level of details :) |
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jnthn: In the callback stuff, dyncallback distinguishes between const char * and void *. Any opinions on whether we should pass string arguments as the former or the latter? |
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jnthn |
Hmm...does it distinguish those in normal argument passing? |
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dcArgPointer(vm, str); |
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jnthn |
Seems even if it does, we don't... |
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arnsholt |
No documented difference in argument binding |
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jnthn |
Curious that they've chosen to distinguish the two for callbacks. |
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arnsholt |
The signatures also want to distinguish between signed and unsigned types, for some reason |
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jnthn |
Well, that can matter. I'm less surprised by that than I am that they single out char * |
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jnthn |
oh, maybe it's the cosnt-ness... |
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arnsholt |
Yeah, they do say that the signedness is for higher-level bindings and not of interest to the C library |
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I'm guessing this is not so much about passing, as processing the arguments that we get returned? |
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arnsholt |
I guess |
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jnthn |
A pointer is a pointer though... |
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jnthn |
Our existing code just handles it with void* |
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jnthn |
So it's probably easier for us to do that. |
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arnsholt |
Right. We're in agreement then |
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um. what is this new code editor view on github |
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diakopter |
oh, I must have clicked Edit this file |
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odd |
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not_gerd |
hello, #perl6 |
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dalek |
nqp: 62b9fc9 | (Gerhard R)++ | 3rdparty/dyncall/buildsys/gmake/tool/gcc.gmake: |
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dalek |
nqp: [dyncall] workaround for build issues on case-insensitive file systems |
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dalek |
nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp: fixes issue #47 |
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dalek |
nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/62b9fc9f16 |
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pmichaud |
not_gerd: nice patch! I'll re-try with strawberry again :) |
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pmichaud |
not_gerd: did you see that I fixed #113666 ? ;-) |
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not_gerd |
pmichaud: yes, I saw # pmichaud++ |
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not_gerd |
in fact, I already updated the benchmark script |
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pmichaud |
\o/ |
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not_gerd |
(perl6-examples/shootout/regex-dna.p6.pl) |
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not_gerd |
btw, regular expressions neither .Str nor .gist properly |
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not_gerd |
r: say /foo/ |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«_block1011» |
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pmichaud |
sure, that's known. |
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pmichaud |
r: sub foo { 1 }; say &foo |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«sub foo() { ... }» |
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pmichaud |
r: say /foo/.WHAT |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«Regex()» |
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pmichaud |
r: say /foo/.gist |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«_block1011» |
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pmichaud |
okay, that part is weird. |
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pmichaud |
oh! |
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pmichaud |
r: class XYZ { method abc() { ... } }; say XYZ.^methods[0] |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«abc» |
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pmichaud |
regexes are methods, so they stringify like them. |
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JimmyZ |
re not_gerd's patch: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/c[…]80e0e3a2eed#L1L48 :) |
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not_gerd |
so I might have broken the build on other versions of strawberry perl? |
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not_gerd |
hopefully not... |
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not_gerd |
anyway, we could always just remove the %.s rule |
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pmichaud |
(re: RAKUDO_MODULE_DEBUG) instead of only displaying the module load information if the environment variable is set, would it be easier to always log the entries and then display them if/when the "Missing or wrong version of dependency" message is displayed? How big would that log get? |
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pmichaud |
s/easier/better/ |
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pmichaud |
i.e., let it act more like a backtrace than like a warn log |
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thinks it might be a good idea to find out why shootout/revcomp.p6.pl is so slow - it had the worst result in 2009 and regressed since then... |
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pmichaud |
not_gerd: well, I can totally understand why it would regress -- the regex engine has gotten a lot more complex since 2009 |
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pmichaud |
oh, and I suspect that .trans is not at all performant either |
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* not_gerd |
needs to leave, but will check later if someone reopened the strawberry ticket |
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not_gerd |
bye, #perl6 |
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pmichaud |
I'm testing strawberry 5.16.0 now |
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diakopter |
pmichaud: 64-bit or 32-bit? |
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pmichaud |
32-bit |
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pmichaud |
I don't have easy access to a 64-bit windows system atm |
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diakopter |
I'll try 64-bit if yours works |
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JimmyZ |
yes, the above patch brokes strawberry 5.10.1 |
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JimmyZ |
..\..\3rdparty\dyncall\dyncall\libdyncall_s.a(dyncall_callvm.o):dyncall_callvm.c :(.text+0x1fe): undefined reference to `dcCall_x86_cdecl' |
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pmichaud |
nqp now builds under strawberry 5.16.1 though. |
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pmichaud |
sorry, 5.16.0 |
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JimmyZ |
after `git reset HEAD~1 --hard`, I got a build too. |
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JimmyZ |
so I'm +1 to remove %.s part |
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pmichaud |
diakopter: can you try under 64-bit? |
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* JimmyZ |
sleeps |
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diakopter |
doing so now |
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pmichaud |
diakopter++ |
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pmichaud |
I'm going to try with strawberry 5.14 |
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pmichaud |
actually, I should test 5.12 again too with the patch |
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diakopter |
pmichaud: do you know of a git command to take a checkout tree to a pristine state (say, at its last commit), including deleting all untracked files? |
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pmichaud |
git clean -xdf |
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pmichaud |
recurses into subdirs, too, so be careful :) |
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pmichaud |
I've been doing the following: |
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diakopter |
so in the rakudo build dir, it would also go into nqp and parrot? |
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pmichaud |
rmdir /s install |
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pmichaud |
(yes) |
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diakopter |
oh; I've been re-checking out every time :( |
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pmichaud |
in the rakudo build dir, it would *delete* nqp and parrot |
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pmichaud |
so... |
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diakopter |
oh.. |
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pmichaud |
rmdir /s install |
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pmichaud |
cd nqp |
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pmichaud |
git clean -xdf |
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pmichaud |
cd ..\parrot |
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pmichaud |
git clean -xdf |
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pmichaud |
cd .. |
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pmichaud |
perl Configure.pl --gen-nqp=master --gen-parrot |
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diakopter |
oh hm |
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jnthn |
.oO( It's funny to see Pm writing paths with backslashes :D ) |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: notice how I only did it once? ;-) |
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jnthn |
;-) |
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pmichaud |
maybe I should've written cd ..@slashparrot instead :-) |
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jnthn |
Looking at the dependency error, it'd be good to include the module currently being loaded in the error somewhre. |
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tries not to run rmdir /S /W \ |
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jnthn |
Wonder how hard it is to make that happen... |
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diakopter |
er |
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diakopter |
maybe a good thing I typo'd that |
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pmichaud |
5.14.2 is working for me also |
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pmichaud |
let's try 5.12 now |
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jnthn |
Hmm, so backlogging, iiuc the situation now is that things work with Strawberry 5.14/5.16 with the patch, but not 5.10, which did work before? |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: almost |
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pmichaud |
jimmyz++ apparently did a patch 5 months ago to fix things for strawberry (works with 5.10). not_gerd's patch today undoes part of jimmy z's patch from 5 months ago, and now things work for 5.14 and 5.16 |
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pmichaud |
I'm testing now to see if today's patch works with 5.12 |
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pmichaud |
I'd like a version that works with all of 5.10, 5.12, 5.14, and 5.16, but if that's not possible, I'd prefer 5.12+ as the minimum version. |
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jnthn |
*nod* |
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pmichaud |
I'd be willing to accept 5.14+ |
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pmichaud |
but... reluctantly |
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pmichaud |
anyway, we'll know here in a just a second. |
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pmichaud |
...or more |
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diakopter |
pmichaud: I noticed msvc builds parrot/nqp/rakudo *significantly* more quickly than gcc, but rakudo/msvc builds CORE.setting 13% more slowly than rakudo/gcc |
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pmichaud |
diakopter: yeah, that's kinda interesting. |
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pmichaud |
okay, nqp master also works with 5.12.3 |
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diakopter |
pmichaud: yes, works with 64-bit 5.16.0.1 |
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pmichaud |
so, if there's another patch (remove .s rule) that enables things to work with 5.10 while retaining 5.12+, I'm fine with that. If patching for 5.10 means we lose 5.14+, then I'd reject the patch for 5.10. |
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pmichaud |
and after adequate testing, we should bump NQP_REVISION in rakudo's head |
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[Coke] |
shame we don't have an easy way to track build failures as opposed to test failures. |
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[Coke] |
"surely there's an app for that." |
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pmichaud |
[Coke]: I'm thinking of setting up a couple of amazon ec2 instances; we might be able to do something with that. |
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pmichaud |
Indeed, part of why I'm playing with windows builds is to see what would be required to do that |
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pmichaud |
added my results and comments to #47 |
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pmichaud |
I'm afk for a bit |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: f014bdc | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: Handle an optimization escape hatch for the way $_, $!, $/ and %_ are handled. |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f014bdcee3 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 8721264 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Updates to use new exception handling approach in QAST. Gets 12-try.t passing again. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/87212648d0 |
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qperl6 (Rakudo using QAST) now passes all but 1 of the sanity tests, and 3430 tests from make spectest. |
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[Coke] |
jnthn++ |
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If I want to make changes to the test suite, should I fork Roast, or Mu, or ? |
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phenny |
Coleoid: 11 Jul 18:49Z <[Coke]> tell Coleoid that http://smolder.parrot.org/app/[…]s/smoke_reports/5 exists for tracking test failures on different versions/platforms. |
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[Coke]: Thanks! |
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diakopter |
Coleoid: just ask for a commit bit, and you can make changes directly |
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diakopter |
hugme: add Coleoid to perl6 |
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hugme |
diakopter: You need to register with freenode first |
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diakopter: Do you mean that changes to the tests inside the rakudo tree will make it into the official perl6 test suite? |
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tadzik |
jnthn: woo \o/ |
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tadzik |
awesome! |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: 3dc36d1 | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Compiler.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: Implement falling back to symbol if there are QAST::Var nodes with no scope declared. |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/3dc36d14ca |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 869ffc9 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Toss :lvalue marker that isn't needed. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/869ffc9329 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: e99f5b5 | jnthn++ | t/harness: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Run spectest with qperl6. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e99f5b5388 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 3589ee7 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix self, booleans. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/3589ee7a2d |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 4b2dc33 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix up Whatever * hanlding a bit. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/4b2dc33b56 |
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masak |
hola, #perl6! |
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moritz |
\o masak, #perl6 |
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masak |
in my Esperanto class this year is an 11yo Lithuanian girl. on the third day she read Asterix fluently and did math problems in Esperanto. o.O |
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masak |
it makes me feel almost obsolete. |
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gfldex |
you may want to try to feel proud instead |
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masak |
oh, I do :) |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: fd5eecc | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix &foo. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/fd5eecc2dd |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 5768ec4 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix return. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/5768ec4966 |
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masak |
la_bori_nena: sal! |
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la_bori_nena |
masak sal tu! |
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masak |
;) |
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* masak |
saltas |
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la_bori_nena |
;) |
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masak |
la_bori_nena: unua vizito ĉe #perl6? |
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PerlJam |
http://martinfowler.com/bliki/[…]ticDiffusion.html |
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PerlJam |
Seems like that article has some lessons for Perl 6 too |
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masak |
PerlJam: interesting. |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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masak |
sorear! \o/ |
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colomon |
he's awake! |
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* masak |
follows that up with a few bongs on a large drum |
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not_gerd |
pmichaud: I've got a fix which works on Strawberry 5.10.1.2-32bit, 5.16.0.1-32bit, 5.14.2.1-64bit but slightly changes build semantics |
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not_gerd |
(always goes through gcc and never invokes as directly) |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: c37bf13 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix :foo and :!foo colonpairs. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c37bf136e0 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: ad2340a | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix named arg passing. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/ad2340af77 |
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* colomon |
just was thinking how much easier his $work would be in perl6, then realized that there was no reason he couldn't apply some good Perl common sense to make his C++ life easier. |
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seldon |
I suspect trying to make C++ work like Perl6 would not end prettily. |
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colomon |
don't need to make the whole thing work like Perl 6 |
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colomon |
well, I mean, that would be nice. |
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colomon |
but I'm focusing on one particular set of function calls |
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seldon |
That's rather too vague for me to make a meaningful comment. |
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moritz |
then don't :-) |
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seldon |
Meaningless it is, then. :P |
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colomon |
seldon: wasn't looking for advice, just celebrating having an idea that would save me ten or twenty meaningless lines of code in dozens of tests. |
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seldon |
Ah. Congratulations, then. |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: 200e52f | jnthn++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: Implement a vivify op. |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/200e52fe71 |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: 4f2cb27 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P6Regex/Actions.nqp: |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: Add (not really done yet) QAST variants of various things in QRegex::P6Regex::Actions. |
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dalek |
nqp/toqast: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4f2cb273f4 |
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rakudo/toqast: 5a7d74b | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Unbustify smartmatching. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/5a7d74b68f |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 815a09e | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Fix a couple of .type => .returns. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/815a09e697 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 197f1ea | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Add perl6_assert_bind_ok => p6bindassert. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/197f1ea0d7 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: fe865e9 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: Update compilation of attribute access. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/fe865e9e08 |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: 83c62e8 | jnthn++ | src/QPerl6/Actions.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: A couple more small qastifications. |
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dalek |
rakudo/toqast: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/83c62e8811 |
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jnthn |
Whee. Up to 11284 spectests passing again. Big things still broken: regexes, roles, BEGIN. |
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diakopter |
pushed --dump |
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diakopter |
ww |
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masak |
;) |
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jnthn |
.oO( there I was thinking it was a comment on my dalek spam :P ) |
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jnthn |
Things this is teaching me about the spectest: a lot of tests use regexes :) |
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moritz |
aye |
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moritz |
I try to keep the number small, but it's not easy |
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moritz |
though I guess it's much worse in p5 :-) |
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PerlJam |
regex are one of Perl's killer features. |
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moritz |
$ ack 'PAST::' src/QPerl6/|wc -l |
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moritz |
106 |
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jnthn |
moritz: It was an observation more than a criticism. :) |
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jnthn |
I have hit the point where I really need to get regexes done to be able to clearly see the remaining issues, though :) |
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moritz |
jnthn: I didn't feel critized |
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jnthn |
OK :) |
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PerlJam |
Is QAST documented somewhere? |
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diakopter |
hey, I asked that a couple weeks ago :) |
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jnthn |
Doc...what? |
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diakopter |
the response I got: "read QAST::Compiler" |
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* jnthn |
promises to document it once things have settled down :) |
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jnthn |
I'd rather document something that I know actually works. Rakudo using it is kinda the test for that :) |
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PerlJam |
I was just curious about some of the changes made in recent commits like how "pasttype" becomes "op" and "type" becomes "returns" |
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jnthn |
type becoming returns is really a mergeback style change. |
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jnthn |
PAST has returns, but it stuck a string name of a type in there. |
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PerlJam |
gotcha |
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jnthn |
6model came along and added "type", because now with SCs we wanted to talk lots about types at compile time and use type objects. |
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jnthn |
Now we can talk about types as, well, types, there's no reason to talk about them as strings. |
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jnthn |
And pmichaud++ felt "returns" was clearer than "type", and I agreed, so "returns" in QAST just expects a type object in there. :) |
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jnthn |
pasttype => op is just a nice cleanup/unification. |
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jnthn |
You use it all the time, and op is a 25% of the typing :) |
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lue |
loliblog! : https://rdstar.wordpress.com/2[…]llvm-how-to-port/ |
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jnthn |
lue: Actually current work is replacing the thing that does the AST => PIR into something that should be much more welcoming to get to emit code for other VMs :) |
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lue |
jnthn: I was considering waiting until QAST migration was complete to start the actual work (so I don't work with PAST and then have to migrate everything to QAST) |
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PerlJam |
lue++ |
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PerlJam |
lue: Maybe jnthn could use some help with the QASTification ;) |
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pmichaud |
good afternoon, #perl6 |
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lue |
I was just thinking "Gee, it doesn't feel right to just sit and wait for QAST when I could potentially help bring it to completion" /me checkout's toqast |
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jnthn |
pmichaud! :) |
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PerlJam |
pmichaud: greetings |
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pmichaud |
lue: for the pmcs themselves, you mainly need a way to create array, hash, and subroutine objects. |
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pmichaud |
(looking at nqp on llvm) |
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pmichaud |
and probably gotos (continuations?) |
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lue |
according to LLVM's LangRef, it comes with functions and arrays, but not hashes (shouldn't be *too* hard to fake, though (he naïvely said)) |
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pmichaud |
yeah, hashes are pretty important to nqp and perl6... they get used for symbol tables of all sorts |
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pmichaud |
it's entirely possible that with a fast enough backend, the pmc types in src/pmc could be written as 6model objects :-) |
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pmichaud |
(unless jnthn++ corrects me on this point :-) |
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just read that as "if things are fast enough, we can make it slower" :-P |
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jnthn |
Oh, if you're building an NQP from the ground up, you most certainly do your everything 6model-y. |
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* lue |
wonders if others using LLVM would like hashes, and therefore worth having it added as a new type to LLVMIR. |
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* sjn |
hopes he misunderstoodimated |
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jnthn |
That we still use RPA and Hash is a bit unfortunate. |
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jnthn |
Because it means that NQP on Parrot will look different to NQP on anything else, and that's gonna hurt. |
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sjn |
jnthn btw, still waiting for your flight details :) |
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jnthn |
oh yeah...my flight... |
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pmichaud |
sjn: no, I'm not saying you can make it slower. Indeed, I have many reasons to believe that a pure 6model based implementation of some of nqp's core types could be at least as fast (if not faster) than Parrot's PMC implementation of those types |
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jnthn |
It can be faster in theory. |
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jnthn |
PMC vtable functions are polymorphic. |
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jnthn |
REPR functions are not polymorphic. |
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jnthn |
Well, to clarify |
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jnthn |
They are if you don't know the representation of the thing you have. |
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jnthn |
If you do know the representation statically, you can do rather better. |
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sjn |
that helps |
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sjn |
less code to run => faster |
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sjn |
anhoo, not much need to spend more time explaining this to me :) |
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jnthn |
To some degree, though optimizing for CPU cycle count isn't always the key these days. |
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* lue |
tends to optimize for memory usage |
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sjn |
jnthn: to that I'd reply "yes, give me both, please" :) |
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pmichaud |
we like doing "both please" :-) |
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jnthn |
Well, I was thinking of minimizing cache misses, but memory usage ties into that too. :) |
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just notices that his build on 32-bit strawberry fails spectests, so time to find out why |
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pmichaud |
I _still_ need to come up with a yapc::eu talk topic |
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pmichaud |
(yes, deadline is this weekend, I know) |
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supernovus |
Okay, say you have a string representing the name of a class, and you want to dynamically load that class at runtime. I thought the 'require' statement should do just that, but it does not seem to export the class. |
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supernovus |
err import the class... |
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jnthn |
supernovus: Can you show what you're trying? |
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jnthn |
supernovus: I can guess what the issue may be but it's easier to explain with some code :) |
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supernovus |
Okay, given there is a class called Foo defined in a Foo.pm6 in path in the @*INC: my $classname = 'Foo'; require $classname; my $foo = Foo.new; |
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jnthn |
Aha |
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jnthn |
Yeah, the problem here is that the compiler decides if something is a class name or a routine name at compile time. |
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jnthn |
And the import is at runtime |
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pmichaud |
not only that, but the name is a lexical symbol. |
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jnthn |
So you need to defer the lookup until runtime too |
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jnthn |
Try |
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pmichaud |
and you can't modify the lexpad at runtime. |
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jnthn |
::('Foo').new |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Yeah, but unless it's a lexical class you can get at it. |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Since require still does GLOBAL merging. |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: oh, probably because those things have sigils, then? |
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jnthn |
::($classname).new should also work |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: "those things"? |
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supernovus |
Ah! Thank you! I knew there was something I was missing. I'd done something similar to this a while back, but at that time 'require' was broken and I ended up having to use some hideous workaround (I'm thinking this was in the 'alpha' branch, so yeah, quite some time ago...) |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: I'm thinking if the imported module has things to be exported... they get exported, where? |
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sorear |
o/ Araq |
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Araq |
hi sorear |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: require will only import things in the list of things you tell it about. |
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pmichaud |
okay, and that's a compile-time list. Got it. |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: require Foo <@bar &baz>; # stubs @bar and &baz |
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jnthn |
And then they are imported when you do the require. |
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pmichaud |
if you don't have the list at runtime but still want to get to them, you do that by...? |
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pmichaud |
s/runtime/compiletime/ |
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pmichaud |
::('Foo')<@bar> # perhaps? |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Good question. At the moment I think the answer is "you can't". I don't think there's any spec'd way. |
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jnthn |
Well, if you have a |
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jnthn |
module Foo; |
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jnthn |
sub bar is export { } |
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jnthn |
Then you can do things like |
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jnthn |
require 'Foo'; |
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jnthn |
::('Foo')::EXPORT::DEFAULT::<@bar> |
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pmichaud |
okay. |
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pmichaud |
that's all I need for now :) |
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jnthn |
I suspect there's a case for having some way to get require to dump all the imports somewhere for you. |
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nwc10 |
jnthn++ # QAST progress |
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masak |
Araq: \o |
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pmichaud |
S11 talks about .EXPORTALL putting things into package scope |
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jnthn |
S11 talks about a lot of stuff ;) |
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pmichaud |
then I suppose you could do OUR::<&bar> |
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nwc10 |
anyway, I read http://perl6maven.com/most-pop[…]mands-using-perl6 and wondered when someone would be implementing Perl Power Tools on Perl 6 :-) |
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Araq |
the friendliness of this channel never ceases to amaze me, masak :-) |
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masak |
Araq: yeah, same. |
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Araq |
making it hard to sneak into to steal some ideas ... |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Oh, I see the bit you're sayin' |
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masak |
Araq: it's almost as if we actually, genuinely care. |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Hmm. If that's gonna work, what is EXPORTALL a method on? |
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masak |
:P |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: oh, that's using require with a compile-time-name |
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pmichaud |
require Sense; Sense.EXPORTALL |
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jnthn |
Also that. :) |
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jnthn |
Well, in Rakudo just because you write a name after a use or require doesn't mena it's automatically a package name. |
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pmichaud |
right |
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Araq |
masak: indeed, but I can't be fooled ;-) |
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jnthn |
But my question still stands: if there is an EXPORTALL method, then it has to be a method on a type object of some kind. |
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jnthn |
I'd be less surprised by Sense::.EXPORTALL |
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jnthn |
And for runtime |
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pmichaud |
...type object? Doesn't it just have to be a namespace or package object? |
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jnthn |
::('Sense')::.EXPORTALL |
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pmichaud |
(or are you folding those into the overall "type object" definition here?) |
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jnthn |
In which case it's on the Stash |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: They're all type objects. |
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pmichaud |
yes, I expect EXPORTALL and stuff to be methods on stashes |
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pmichaud |
basically whatever S11 talks about is stash stuff for the most part :) |
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jnthn |
module Foo { } # Foo is a type object. The HOW behind it is pretty boring compared to classes, of course :) |
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jnthn |
Right, and you get at the stash with a :: :) |
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jnthn |
r: module Foo { }; say Foo.WHAT; say Foo::.WHAT |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«Foo()Stash()» |
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pmichaud |
well, a type object should delegate EXPORTALL, then |
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pmichaud |
(to its stash) |
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pmichaud |
and then Sense.EXPORTALL would do something sane. I think. |
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jnthn |
We could also implement that but I'm not enthused by polluting Mu (or Any perhaps) with it. |
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jnthn |
Granted it'd be constrained to only be callable on type objects. |
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pmichaud |
heh |
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masak |
Araq: ;) |
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pmichaud |
we already have a ton of all-CAPS stuff in Mu. |
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pmichaud |
seems like it fits naturally there. |
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jnthn |
.OHNOES |
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jnthn |
:) |
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jnthn |
I guess I can live with it. :) |
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pmichaud |
maybe import/export in p6 should be my yapc-eu talk. Then I'd have to actually learn how it currently works. |
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jnthn |
And hack on the scary corners that don't quite work yet...and discover the insane bits of S11 ;) |
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jnthn |
I mean, uh...that's a good idea! :D |
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pmichaud |
oh, I already know where the insane bits of S11 are. Basically everything after "=head Overview" all the way down to the last "=cut" |
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jnthn |
*lol* |
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jnthn |
OK, well, seems like you're set then :) |
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pmichaud |
if I can't come up with better stuff before tomorrow I'll submit that |
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pmichaud |
"Use'ing Perl 6 modules: Some assembly require'd" |
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jnthn |
*groan* :) |
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pmichaud |
(sorry, I just need'ed to write that :-) |
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pmichaud |
(and I missed all of the phaser punning earlier.) |
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lue |
I wholeheartedly approve of that title. |
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* masak |
.oO( you can always pun NEXT time... ) |
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jnthn |
Yes, it was a groan of delight :) |
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jnthn |
masak: omg, don't START again :P |
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* lue |
is unPREpared for this punning |
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masak |
jnthn: this is the LAST time, I promise! |
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* masak |
.oO( unless you CATCH me at it again ) |
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Tene |
We're really REDOing this? |
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pmichaud |
it will never END |
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lue |
It'll KEEP happening for as long as phasers are around. |
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masak |
Tene: well, I missed the FIRST time, so... |
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* masak |
decides to LEAVE it at that |
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jnthn |
.oO( It's enough to make me go POSTal... ) |
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pmichaud |
and sadly, there's still no REDO phaser. :-) |
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pmichaud |
(or is there...?) |
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jnthn |
Not in S04 :) |
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pmichaud |
but we really do need a BLAST phaser in the spec somewhere :-P |
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lue |
nope, I CHECKed. |
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supernovus |
Thanks for the info. Maybe this weekend I'll whip up the first version of an easy to use MVC web app framework in Perl 6. |
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jnthn |
supernovus++ |
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tadzik |
hahahahahahaha |
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tadzik |
http://www.pub-przejscie.pl/wp[…]quot/dsc_0145.jpg -- this is how Warsaw.pm spends its meetings :D |
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tadzik |
apparently, I agreed for the pub owners to publish pictures from the karaoke session... |
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pmichaud |
tadzik: you look a little green up there :-) |
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masak |
:P |
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tadzik |
hehe, for some reason, yeah |
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tadzik |
curious |
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masak |
phenny: en pl "I am a little green at this."? |
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phenny |
masak: "Jestemtrochę zielony w tym." (en to pl, translate.google.com) |
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masak |
oh, literal translation. |
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tadzik |
yeah, but it works |
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tadzik |
"być zielonym" also means "to be an amateur" |
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masak |
ah, so you were aware of the pun. I wasn't sure. :) |
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masak |
anyway, the picture is inspiring. |
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tadzik |
HEAR ME ROAR |
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pmichaud |
r: say 1**Inf |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«1» |
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jnthn |
Yeah, I totally think we should have a karaoke session at YAPC::EU! |
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jnthn |
:P |
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tadzik |
oh yes! |
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tadzik |
Lightning Song session |
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jnthn |
.oO( oh my, what have I done... ) |
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tadzik |
why, you're the first one to sing |
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masak |
it's not a bad idea. |
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tadzik |
I thought you know |
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* jnthn |
can't sing :P |
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* masak |
can :) |
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jnthn |
masak volunteered to go first :) |
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* tadzik |
can sing, but not anyone can listen to this |
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masak |
though I hear 卡拉OK doesn't require the ability to sing well. |
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jnthn |
tadzik: Just sing nayn cat song :) |
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tadzik |
:D |
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tadzik |
I could possibly play that one |
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tadzik |
no, I can sing quite a few things |
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tadzik |
see http://github.com/tadzik/tabs |
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tadzik |
it's just that not everyone is resistent to my singing :P |
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masak |
I think your voice has potential, tadzik. |
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tadzik |
I may need some voice-fu |
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masak |
then it's not 卡拉OK :) |
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pmichaud |
I get quite a few interesting spectest fails when compiling with Strawberry 5.16 |
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jnthn |
Is that first character meaning "dancing with tongue stuck out"? |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: Which ones, ooc? |
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pmichaud |
r: say 1**Inf |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«1» |
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pmichaud |
that gives me NaN |
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jnthn |
> say 1 ** Inf |
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jnthn |
1 |
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pmichaud |
(because that's what the underlying math library does, undoubtedly, and Parrot just passes it through) |
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pmichaud |
n: say 1**Inf |
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p6eval |
niecza v19-13-g442e075: OUTPUT«NaN» |
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tadzik |
phenny: "卡拉"? |
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phenny |
tadzik: "Carla" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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jnthn |
phenny: "卡"? |
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phenny |
jnthn: "Card" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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jnthn |
phenny: "拉"? |
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phenny |
jnthn: "Pull" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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sorear |
phenny: "Jacques"? |
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phenny |
sorear: "Jacques" (fr to en, translate.google.com) |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: there are also some filestate-related fails, and a couple of unicode fails |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: I don't think the file related ones are gcc specific |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: I get some of that at the moment with MSVC too |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: okay. |
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jnthn |
Unicode fails - I thought we'd triage'd all that. |
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pmichaud |
well, it may be from the version.t stuff I added yesterday |
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masak |
tadzik: ka-la-O-K |
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masak |
karaoke. |
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masak |
phenny: "卡拉OK"? |
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phenny |
masak: "Kara OK" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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jnthn |
daaligt :) |
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pmichaud |
r: say Version.new('2012.06alpha1beta4'); # :-P |
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p6eval |
rakudo 74e183: OUTPUT«v2012.6.alpha.1.beta.4» |
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* masak |
.oO( Kära Åke... ) |
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masak |
jnthn: no, that's what it's called in .cn |
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jnthn |
masak: I guessed. :) |
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tadzik |
haha |
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masak |
哈哈 |
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crab2313 |
phenny: "哈哈"? |
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phenny |
crab2313: "I" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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crab2313 |
phenny: "呵呵"? |
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phenny |
crab2313: "I" (zh-CN to en, translate.google.com) |
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masak |
strange translations. those mean "ha ha" and "he he", respectively. |
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diakopter |
masak: Coleoid was inquiring about roast commit bit |
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pmichaud |
whats the github id ? |
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Coleoid |
My github username is also Coleoid, is that what you're asking? |
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pmichaud |
yes. |
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pmichaud |
you now have a commit bit to roast, as well as most of the other perl6/* repositories |
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pmichaud |
welcome aboard! |
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Coleoid |
Thanks! |
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pmichaud |
did you see the latest notes on building with strawberry, ooc? |
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pmichaud |
we may want to bump Rakudo's NQP_REVISION |
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pmichaud |
on my systems, perl Configure.pl --gen-nqp=master --gen-parrot now works |
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pmichaud |
(the --gen-nqp option won't be necessary when we bump NQP_REVISION) |
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pmichaud |
afk, fetching dinner |
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Coleoid |
So then changes to the tests go in roast, not mu or any other location? |
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masak |
right. |
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Coleoid |
I missed the strawberry fixing. I was afraid it'd be a slow loop through the dyncall project dev process... |
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pmichaud |
Coleoid: the README file in roast is fairly helpful. :) https://github.com/perl6/roast/blob/master/README |
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benabik |
Coleoid: People here seem rather unafraid of working out their own fixes and waiting to see if dyncall wants to pick up the fix. |
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masak |
lol I blougged! \o/ http://strangelyconsistent.org[…]2-platform-things |
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gfldex |
masak++ # for applied magic |
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masak |
I feel I'm warming to this month's blogging. |
| 22:26 |
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masak |
oh, and #perl6. you'll really like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraprosdokian |
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jnthn |
jnthn suggested WAT? :P |
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* masak |
.oO( so I put a surprised jnthn in your surprised jnthn ) |
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* jnthn |
is, as usual, full of surprises :P |
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masak |
knowing this new term "paraprosdokian", it's really easy to re-classify moritz++' "and 9 other types" as a paraprosdokian autopun. |
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Coleoid |
I got a laugh out of it--and out of explaining it to my boy. |
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diakopter |
can you have a car full of water? |
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jnthn |
I can sea how that'd happen. |
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masak |
diakopter: hm, I will try. |
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pmichaud |
masak++ # this method of posting and linking to commits is incredibly effective. |
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diakopter |
masak: typo piedestal |
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masak |
diakopter: will fix; thanks. |
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masak |
diakopter: yes, I could put water from the helmet into the car in last year's game. |
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masak |
The car contains: A rope. Some water. |
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masak |
(but with newlines and indentation) |
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Coleoid |
benabik: That's dandy for progress! I hope they take the fix. |
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Coleoid |
afk, spend time with the boy before bedtime... |
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masak |
'night, #perl6 |
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colomon |
Coleoid++ |
