Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #perl6, 2012-08-18

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00:07 diakopter jeffreykegler: you're right; S03 explicitly says that's a syntax error
00:08 diakopter std: my $x = 1 ;  say  42 ?? $x = 43 !! $x = 44
00:08 p6eval std 235f71b: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Precedence of = is too loose to use between ?? and !!; please use parens around inner expression at /tmp/aQYhWXB4eP line 1:�------> my $x = 1 ; say 42 ?? $x =� 43 !! $x = 44�Parse failed�FAILED 00:00 43m�»…
00:09 jeffreykegler Yeah.  I'm looking into ternaries from a parsing point of view.
00:09 jeffreykegler The Perl 6 standard diverges from Perl 5 and C in NOT allowed an assignment as the middle term
00:09 jeffreykegler *allowed => allowing
00:10 jeffreykegler A fact well known, I am sure, to at least some of the authors of S03
00:12 jeffreykegler And my guess is that Perl 6 was intended to break from the tradition in parsing the middle term of ternaries
00:13 japhb std: my $x = 1 ;  say  $x = 42 ?? 43 !! 44;   say 42 ?? ($x = 43) !! ($x = 44)
00:13 p6eval std 235f71b: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 43m␤»
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00:13 japhb jeffreykegler, note that both of the above work ^^
00:14 jeffreykegler Noted
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00:41 dalek panda: 2e350d1 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO:
00:41 dalek panda: Greatly expand TODO with tadzik++ geoffb++ sirrobert++ #perl6 discussions of last couple days
00:41 dalek panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/2e350d1f6f
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02:13 diakopter p6: die "wut."
02:13 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«wut.␤  in block  at /tmp/0HmMDA_Cix:1␤␤»
02:13 p6eval ..niecza v19-21-gc86e8e5: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: wut.␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1414 (die @ 5) ␤  at /tmp/isIvdN3qtp line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3929 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3930 (module…
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05:08 benabik Is there some fundamental difference between $foo and \foo parameters?
05:09 benabik It's strange to see so much perl code without $ on the variables...
05:17 japhb benabik, the \foo does not imply a context.  It means "whatever this thing is, pass it through".
05:18 japhb $ treats the parameter as a scalar
05:19 benabik So it's somehow more generic than $?  Or does the compiler do/not do something for it?
05:20 dalek doc: b538abe | moritz++ | lib/X/ (6 files):
05:20 dalek doc: more exception classes
05:20 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/b538abed61
05:20 dalek doc: 5698d53 | moritz++ | lib/ObjAt.pod:
05:20 dalek doc: stub ObjAt documentation
05:20 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/5698d535ea
05:20 dalek doc: 13d7f52 | moritz++ | lib/X/Comp.pod:
05:20 dalek doc: some more X::Comp notes
05:20 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/13d7f52e6d
05:20 dalek doc: 3e51487 | moritz++ | lib/ (2 files):
05:20 dalek doc: X::Placeholder::Mailine. Explain "mainline" in the glossary
05:21 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/3e514877d8
05:21 dalek doc: f308c62 | moritz++ | lib/X/ (10 files):
05:21 dalek doc: document more exception classes
05:21 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/f308c62248
05:21 dalek doc: ae41ef8 | moritz++ | lib/operators.pod:
05:21 dalek doc: [operators] describe some circumfix and postcircumfixes
05:21 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/ae41ef8a17
05:21 japhb It is in a sense more generic, yes.
05:22 japhb In this case, you could almost consider the \ to be a sigil in the sense that Mu is a type.  Both imply the absolute minimum they can about a variable or object, respectively.
05:23 japhb And in answer to the question about whether the compiler does not do something, I believe you are correct -- sufficiently so that a \ parameter is faster than a $ parameter in Rakudo.
05:24 * benabik wonders if  params and variables will become normal usage...
05:25 moritz \ parameters bind whatever was passed to them, be it value or container
05:25 moritz a normal $ parameter always creates a ro-container
05:26 benabik :(\foo) is to :($foo) as := is to = ?
05:26 benabik japhb++ moritz++
05:27 moritz benabik: not really. :($foo) implies read-onlyness of $foo
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06:08 JimmyZ_ moritz: hello
06:08 JimmyZ_ moritz: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/parr[…]2-08-17#i_5904334, FYI
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06:29 tadzik good morning
06:54 diakopter jnthn: pong
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07:24 moritz JimmyZ_: thanks
07:33 jnthn morning, #perl6
07:33 tadzik oh hai
07:34 jnthn tadzik: How goes the winderspanda? :)
07:34 moritz "winder is coming" -- Ned Stark
07:35 tadzik jnthn: nah, no way to work on it now; I'm now sober again
07:41 jnthn There Will Be Alcohol.
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: 942e670 | moritz++ | src/core/IO/Socket/INET.pm:
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: explicitly set encoding on sockets
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/942e670caf
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: 7090070 | moritz++ | src/core/IO/Socket.pm:
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: Do not trans_encoding in IO::Socket.recv
07:43 dalek rakudo/parrot-iocleanup1-take2: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/709007078e
07:49 jnthn tadzik: Hmm...concatenating stuff with cwd() here doesn't seem to show the problem we were seeing last night
07:49 jnthn tadzik: Was there some other ingredient that I'm missing?
07:54 jnthn std: m:P5/./
07:54 p6eval std 235f71b: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 47m␤»
07:54 jnthn std: m:P5/-/
07:54 p6eval std 235f71b: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 47m␤»
07:54 jnthn std: m/-/
07:54 p6eval std 235f71b: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Unrecognized regex metacharacter - (must be quoted to match literally) at /tmp/yS3b8sPtXh line 1:�------> m/-�/�Can't call method "from" on unblessed reference at STD.pm line 55008.�FAILED 00:00 41m�»
07:55 tadzik jnthn: perl6 -e '%*ENV<FOO> = cwd; say %*ENV<FOO>.perl'?
07:58 jnthn tadzik: oops, yes
08:05 moritz jnthn: http://moritz.faui2k3.org/tmp/windows-env.patch
08:05 moritz jnthn: shot in the dark, maybe that fixes it
08:10 tadzik jnthn: https://gist.github.com/3385175 any idea why this haens?
08:11 jnthn tadzik: No. Hm.
08:12 moritz maybe because the result is a binary blob, not UTF-8?
08:14 jnthn Hm, yeah...does it return a bunch of bytes or does it encode it?
08:17 tadzik oh, good questions
08:18 tadzik binary blob I guess
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08:20 moritz r: say nqp::p6box_i(pir::find_encoding__Is('utf8'))
08:20 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«3␤»
08:26 dalek rakudo/nom: 9db2d9b | jonathan++ | src/core/IO.pm:
08:26 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix cwd() to transncode the result. Avoids a problem that gets in the way of Panda on Windows.
08:26 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/9db2d9beb7
08:29 tadzik \o/
08:29 pmichaud ....I don't quite understand why 9db2d9b is necessary.
08:29 tadzik neither did we
08:29 jnthn pmichaud: nor do I
08:30 jnthn *mumble*windows*mumble*ucs2*mumble*
08:30 tadzik :>
08:30 moritz because something is broken and cares about the internal encoding of parrot strings that really shouldn't
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08:32 tipdbmp ?eval [+] 1 .. 10;
08:32 tadzik r: say [+] 1..10
08:32 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«55␤»
08:32 tadzik tipdbmp: welcome
08:33 tipdbmp hi
08:33 tipdbmp r: say [+] 1 .. 10
08:33 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«55␤»
08:33 tipdbmp r: say [+] 1..10
08:33 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«55␤»
08:33 tipdbmp r: say [+] 1..5
08:33 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«15␤»
08:35 tipdbmp r: for 1 .. 3 -> $x { say $x }
08:35 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤»
08:35 tipdbmp xD
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08:36 tipdbmp for 3 .. 1 -> $x { say $x }
08:36 tipdbmp r: for 3 .. 1 -> $x { say $x }
08:36 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4:  ( no output )
08:36 tipdbmp :/
08:37 tipdbmp Why is the range operator not working that way?
08:40 tipdbmp r: for (1 .. 3).reverse -> $x { say $x }
08:41 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«3␤2␤1␤»
08:41 pmichaud ranges are always ascending.  for a descending sequence, use the sequence operator
08:41 pmichaud r: for 3...1 -> $x { say $x }
08:41 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«3␤2␤1␤»
08:41 tipdbmp Oh ok tnx.
08:44 tipdbmp r: [<] (3, 2, 1, 6, 7)
08:44 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4:  ( no output )
08:45 moritz see also: http://doc.perl6.org/type/Range
08:45 tipdbmp tnx
08:47 moritz and http://doc.perl6.org/op/infix/... for the sequence operator
08:48 pmichaud moritz++   op/infix/...
08:48 pmichaud can we get  op/... to work/disambiguate someday?
08:48 moritz it's already on my TODO
08:49 moritz note that http://doc.perl6.org/+ already works
08:49 moritz no idea why http://doc.perl6.org/... doesn't
08:49 diakopter .. means dir up
08:49 moritz yes, but ... ne ..
08:50 diakopter maybe it doesn't LTM :)
08:50 moritz :-)
08:52 tipdbmp r: say 1 / 0
08:52 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«Divide by zero␤  in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2851␤  in method floor at src/gen/CORE.setting:7851␤  in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:7869␤  in method gist at src/gen/CORE.setting:2336␤  in sub say at src/gen/CORE.setting:7086␤  in block  at /tmp/…
08:54 tipdbmp r: say [**] (1 .. 10)
08:54 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«1␤»
08:54 dalek doc: 5175565 | pmichaud++ | lib/operators.pod:
08:54 dalek doc: Fix copy/pasto in ??? and !!! listops.
08:54 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/517556582f
08:54 dalek doc: c61ad58 | moritz++ | lib/operators.pod:
08:54 dalek doc: typo
08:54 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c61ad581dd
08:55 tipdbmp r: say 2 ** 2;
08:55 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«4␤»
08:55 tipdbmp r: say [+] (1 .. 10);
08:55 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«55␤»
08:55 tipdbmp r: say [**] (1 .. 10);
08:55 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«1␤»
08:55 tipdbmp r: say [*] (1 .. 10);
08:55 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«3628800␤»
08:56 tipdbmp r: say (3, 2, 1, 6, 7).sort;
08:56 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«1 2 3 6 7␤»
08:58 tipdbmp r: for 1 .. 10 -> { say (-1, 0, 1).roll }
08:58 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤  in block  at /tmp/yByzW92IIB:1␤␤»
08:58 pmichaud drop the '->' there, probably.
08:59 moritz right
08:59 tipdbmp r: for 1 .. 10 { say (-1, 0, 1).roll }
08:59 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«-1␤1␤1␤-1␤0␤1␤0␤1␤1␤-1␤»
08:59 moritz r: .say for (-1, 0, 1).roll(10)
08:59 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«-1␤0␤0␤0␤1␤1␤1␤-1␤0␤1␤»
09:01 tipdbmp r: say for (-1, 0, 1).roll(10)
09:01 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤»
09:02 tipdbmp The dot is required before say? ".say"
09:02 moritz tipdbmp: that makes it default to $_
09:03 moritz otherwise it's parsed as say() for ...
09:03 tipdbmp r: say for 1.. 10;
09:03 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤»
09:03 tipdbmp r: .say for 1.. 10;
09:03 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«1␤2␤3␤4␤5␤6␤7␤8␤9␤10␤»
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09:04 tipdbmp r: say for (1.. 10);
09:04 p6eval rakudo 48e5e4: OUTPUT«␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤␤»
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09:28 moritz r: class A { has $.x; }; say A.new(x => 5)>>.x
09:28 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«5␤»
09:30 moritz http://doc.perl6.org/op/[%20]
09:30 moritz preliminary support only
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09:34 DarkWolf84 r: say ""
09:34 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«␤»
09:35 DarkWolf84 unicode problems again :(
09:36 tadzik how so?
09:36 moritz probably on the client side of DarkWolf84
09:37 tadzik .u ␤
09:37 phenny U+2424 SYMBOL FOR NEWLINE (␤)
09:37 DarkWolf84 my irc transport isue
09:38 DarkWolf84 I never tried to join irc from half year maybe
09:40 DarkWolf84 it's strange utf-8 encoding don't works for freenode
09:41 tadzik it's not freenode's problem
09:41 moritz DarkWolf84: "works for me"
09:41 DarkWolf84 ic
09:41 tadzik it's something on your side
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09:44 darkwolf84 r: ""
09:44 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9:  ( no output )
09:44 tadzik r: say "zażółć gęślą jaźń"
09:44 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«zażółć gęślą jaźń␤»
09:45 huf polish has squiggles at the bottom of letters too?
09:45 tadzik yep
09:45 huf huh.
09:45 tadzik they're called "tails"
09:45 tadzik phenny: pl en "ogonki"?
09:45 phenny tadzik: "tails" (pl to en, translate.google.com)
09:46 huf and the ones on top are ears?
09:46 tadzik hehehe
09:46 tadzik I don't think they have a name
09:46 tadzik they're just kreski
09:46 tadzik phenny: pl en "kreski"?
09:46 phenny tadzik: "line" (pl to en, translate.google.com)
09:46 tadzik lines, phenny
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09:49 DarkWolf84 It's bug in my client
09:50 DarkWolf84 sorry for my spam
09:51 tadzik no problem
09:56 DarkWolf84 r: @(1|2|3).perl
09:56 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9:  ( no output )
09:56 DarkWolf84 @(1|2|3).perl.say
09:57 DarkWolf84 r: @(1|2|3).perl
09:57 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9:  ( no output )
09:57 DarkWolf84 r: @(1|2|3).perl.say
09:57 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«any(1, 2, 3)␤»
09:57 DarkWolf84 hm
09:58 DarkWolf84 (1|2|3).array.perl.say
09:59 DarkWolf84 r: (1|2|3).array.perl.say
09:59 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«No such method 'array' for invocant of type 'Int'␤  in sub AUTOTHREAD_METHOD at src/gen/CORE.setting:1863␤  in <anon> at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2296␤  in block  at /tmp/t8ltMoACto:1␤␤»
09:59 DarkWolf84 is there any way to make junction array?
10:00 DarkWolf84 or list
10:02 DarkWolf84 r: (1|2|3).^methods(:local).say
10:02 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«new BUILD postcircumfix:<( )> Bool Str ACCEPTS gist perl␤»
10:03 DarkWolf84 :(
10:03 moritz DarkWolf84: http://faq.perl6.org/#eigenstate
10:04 DarkWolf84 reading...
10:05 DarkWolf84 thanks, moritz
10:06 DarkWolf84 r: eigenstates(1|2|3).perl.say
10:06 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&eigenstates' called (line 1)␤»
10:07 tipdbmp r: say "A" if 1 == 2|1;
10:07 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«A␤»
10:08 DarkWolf84 r: eigenstates(1|2|3).join(", ").say
10:08 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&eigenstates' called (line 1)␤»
10:09 DarkWolf84 oops
10:09 DarkWolf84 maybe rakudo don't have eigenstates
10:10 moritz DarkWolf84: did you actually read that FAQ?
10:10 DarkWolf84 not the all
10:10 DarkWolf84 still reading
10:12 DarkWolf84 the FAQ says that is wrong thing
10:14 DarkWolf84 I see
10:14 DarkWolf84 eigenstates is just a sub defined before
10:15 DarkWolf84 my bad
10:20 DarkWolf84 :r my @states.push(1|2|3); @states.perl.say;
10:20 tipdbmp r: if [<](2,1,3) { say "as" }
10:20 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9:  ( no output )
10:20 tipdbmp r: if [<](1,2,3) { say "as" }
10:20 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«as␤»
10:21 DarkWolf84 r: my @states.push(1|2|3); @states.perl.say;
10:21 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/V4bJs0JaDn:1␤»
10:22 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push(1|2|3); @states.perl.say;
10:22 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Array.new(any(1, 2, 3))␤»
10:23 tipdbmp r: say "@{[ 1 .. 10]}";
10:23 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«@1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10␤»
10:25 tipdbmp r: use DateTime;
10:25 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find DateTime in any of: /home/p6eval/.perl6/lib, /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/​4.4.0-devel/languages/perl6/lib␤»
10:25 tipdbmp r: use v5; use DateTime;
10:25 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find DateTime in any of: /home/p6eval/.perl6/lib, /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/​4.4.0-devel/languages/perl6/lib␤»
10:25 moritz tipdbmp: DateTime is built in
10:25 moritz r: say DateTime.now
10:25 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«DateTime.new(year => 2012, month => 8, day => 18, hour => 12, minute => 25, second => 49, timezone => $*TZ)␤»
10:25 moritz r: say DateTime.now.Str
10:25 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«2012-08-18T12:25:56-0200␤»
10:27 tipdbmp Oh =).
10:27 tipdbmp tnx
10:27 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push(1|2|3); @states.perl.say;
10:27 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Array.new(any(1, 2, 3))␤»
10:27 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push: Any(1|2|3); @states.perl.say;
10:27 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«No such method 'Any' for invocant of type 'Int'␤  in sub AUTOTHREAD_METHOD at src/gen/CORE.setting:1863␤  in <anon> at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2296␤  in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:812␤  in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:809␤  in block  at /tmp/sFSqd1wJMb:1␤␤»…
10:28 tipdbmp r: say "date: @{[ DateTime.ymd ]} | time: @{[ DateTime.hms ]}"
10:28 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«No such method 'ymd' for invocant of type 'DateTime'␤  in block  at /tmp/jQOxjG6r0K:1␤␤»
10:28 moritz bug. WHere's masak?
10:28 diakopter flying
10:28 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push(Any(1|2|3)); @states.perl.say;
10:28 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«No such method 'Any' for invocant of type 'Int'␤  in sub AUTOTHREAD_METHOD at src/gen/CORE.setting:1863␤  in <anon> at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2296␤  in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:812␤  in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:809␤  in block  at /tmp/JNiJ8OrzJ7:1␤␤»…
10:29 DarkWolf84 Is that a bug?
10:29 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push(Any(1,2,3)); @states.perl.say;
10:29 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«No such method 'Any' for invocant of type 'Parcel'␤  in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:817␤  in <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:814␤  in any <anon> at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:809␤  in block  at /tmp/5WFn2sKjTF:1␤␤»
10:30 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; @states.push(any(1,2,3)); @states.perl.say;
10:30 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Array.new(any(1, 2, 3))␤»
10:30 DarkWolf84 ok
10:33 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push $s}.(1|2|3)
10:33 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 2, near "@states.pu"␤»
10:34 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s { @states.push $s }.(1|2|3); @states.perl.say
10:34 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 2, near "@states.pu"␤»
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10:35 tipdbmp r: say chr 0x00D6;
10:35 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Ö␤»
10:35 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push $s}.(any(1,2,3))
10:35 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 2, near "@states.pu"␤»
10:35 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push: $s}.(1|2|3)
10:35 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9:  ( no output )
10:36 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push $s}.(1|2|3); @states.perl.say
10:36 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse blockoid, couldn't find final '}' at line 2, near "@states.pu"␤»
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10:36 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push; $s}.(1|2|3); @states.perl.say
10:36 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Array.new()␤»
10:37 DarkWolf84 r: my @states; -> Any $s {@states.push: $s}.(1|2|3); @states.perl.say
10:37 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«Array.new(1, 2, 3)␤»
10:37 DarkWolf84 uf
10:37 DarkWolf84 it worked
10:39 DarkWolf84 but I don't get what makes a junction flat in that code
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10:44 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr } (ord "\x{1F0A1}" .. ord "\x{1F0DE}"))'
10:45 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unable to parse postcircumfix:sym<( )>, couldn't find final ')' at line 2, near "(ord \"\\x{1"␤»
10:45 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr }, (ord "\x{1F0A1}" .. ord "\x{1F0DE}"))'
10:45 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized backslash sequence: '\x' at line 2, near "{1F0A1}\" ."␤»
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10:49 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr }, (ord 0x1F0A1 .. ord 0x1F0DE))'
10:49 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/SkkNutuHzS:1␤»
10:50 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE))'
10:50 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/76g8gs5TFT:1␤»
10:51 tipdbmp r: say 0x1 .. 0x5;
10:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1..5␤»
10:51 tipdbmp r: say 1 .. 5;
10:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1..5␤»
10:51 tipdbmp r: say (1 .. 5);
10:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1..5␤»
10:51 tipdbmp r: say (1 .. 5).join(" ");
10:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 4 5␤»
10:51 tipdbmp r: say (0x1 .. 0x5).join(" ");
10:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 4 5␤»
10:52 tipdbmp r: say join(" ", map { $ ** 2}, (1 .. 4))
10:52 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Non-declarative sigil is missing its name␤at /tmp/HhqMm8TSWc:1␤»
10:52 tipdbmp r: say join(" ", map { $_ ** 2}, (1 .. 4))
10:52 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1 4 9 16␤»
10:53 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE))'
10:53 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/c2HSeHPtzF:1␤»
10:57 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE))'
10:57 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/cagxL0bRjz:1␤»
10:57 tipdbmp What's going on?
11:01 topo You have a ' that doesn't belong
11:03 tipdbmp r:  say join(" ", map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE))
11:03 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«🂡 🂢 🂣 🂤 🂥 🂦 🂧 🂨 🂩 🂪 🂫 🂬 🂭 🂮 🂯 🂰 🂱 🂲 🂳 🂴 🂵 🂶 🂷 🂸 🂹 🂺 🂻 🂼 🂽 🂾 🂿 🃀 🃁 🃂 🃃 🃄 🃅 🃆 🃇 🃈 🃉 🃊 🃋 🃌 🃍 🃎 🃏 🃐 🃑 🃒 🃓 🃔 🃕 🃖 🃗 🃘 🃙 🃚 🃛 🃜 🃝 🃞␤»…
11:03 tipdbmp Oh
11:04 tipdbmp r:  say (map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE)).roll
11:04 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«🃒␤»
11:04 tipdbmp r:  say " @{[ (map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE)).roll ]} "
11:04 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT« @🃞 ␤»
11:05 tipdbmp r:  say " ", (map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE)).roll, " "
11:05 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT« 🂥 ␤»
11:05 tipdbmp r:  say " ", (map { chr($_) }, (0x1F0A1 .. 0x1F0DE)).roll, "  "
11:05 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT« 🃛  ␤»
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11:13 tipdbmp r: for 1 .. 11 -> $x, $y, $z { say "$x $y $z" }
11:13 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1 2 3␤4 5 6␤7 8 9␤Not enough positional parameters passed; got 2 but expected 3␤  in block  at /tmp/nwY3UJLlAM:1␤␤»
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12:03 dalek doc: 0da2f33 | moritz++ | lib/Pair.pod:
12:03 dalek doc: [Pair] elaborate on literals; add X<> anchors
12:03 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0da2f33dde
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12:37 pmurias does http://pastie.org/4543888 work with current rakudo?
12:38 benabik r: sub foo($a) { my multi bar($f) { say 1 } ; my multi bar($f, $b) { say 2 } ; &bar } ; say foo(100).perl
12:38 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«sub bar(Mu ) { ... }␤»
12:39 benabik r: sub foo($a) { my multi bar($f) { say 1 } ; my multi bar($f, $b) { say 2 } ; &bar } ; my &c = foo(1); c(1); c(1,2)
12:39 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«1␤2␤»
12:39 benabik pmurias: ^^
12:39 pmurias thanks, must have been fixed
12:42 tadzik I'm sad to declare panda being completely unsupported on windows. Sorry
12:43 tadzik I fail to cooperate with it completely
12:48 pmurias tadzik: anything hard to port to windows, or is just testing there annoying?
12:48 tadzik pmurias: my dev environment stopped working overnight
12:48 tadzik suddenly I'm unable to git pull, to build rakudo, to build parrot
12:49 tadzik I'm sorrounded with people who develop on windows daily and it's still hard and confusing
12:49 tadzik ah
12:49 tadzik okay, I'm trying once again
12:51 moritz r: sub f(\x) { say x }; f 42
12:51 p6eval rakudo 9db2d9: OUTPUT«42␤»
12:59 dalek star: c4afc58 | pmichaud++ | skel/README:
12:59 dalek star: Change install recommendation for Debian/Ubuntu to want "build-essential" instead of explicit gcc and make.  mst++
12:59 dalek star: review: https://github.com/rakudo/star/commit/c4afc586ed
13:00 pmurias what do nqp hashes take as keys?
13:01 moritz parrot strings
13:03 moritz today's autopun: "can you do that superlativer?"
13:03 pmurias how can I fake object keys?
13:03 moritz you can use nqp::where get a memory address
13:04 moritz and then use the result as a hash key
13:04 pmurias won't that change during gc?
13:04 moritz no, we're not compacting
13:04 pmurias ok
13:05 dalek doc: 95ca006 | moritz++ | type-graph.txt:
13:05 dalek doc: [type-graph] update for new inheritance relations, japhb++
13:05 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/95ca0067f5
13:07 diakopter tadzik: I'd be glad to work on windows compat, just not in the next 2 months; I have a crazy project that's kicking my butt
13:08 diakopter tadzik: I have the MSVC/activeperl build environment as well as gcc/strawberry
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13:18 dalek rakudo/macros-d2: 0512eca | masak++ | src/ (3 files):
13:18 dalek rakudo/macros-d2: intermediate commit
13:18 dalek rakudo/macros-d2:
13:18 dalek rakudo/macros-d2: Pushed to help jnthn debug a hang.
13:18 dalek rakudo/macros-d2: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/0512ecae3e
13:18 masak morning, #perl6
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13:21 dalek nqp/jnthn-debug-macros-d2-on-this: 1be56d4 | masak++ | src/QAST/ (9 files):
13:21 dalek nqp/jnthn-debug-macros-d2-on-this: intermediate code for debugging
13:21 dalek nqp/jnthn-debug-macros-d2-on-this:
13:21 dalek nqp/jnthn-debug-macros-d2-on-this: For some reason, this hangs inside src/QAST/Unquote.nqp
13:21 dalek nqp/jnthn-debug-macros-d2-on-this: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/1be56d43bb
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13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: 2bbe527 | jonathan++ | src/core/IO.pm:
13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix a few more Windows/OS PMC/encoding issues for tadzik++.
13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/2bbe527235
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13:30 JimmyZ_ 早上好，麦高
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13:35 tadzik diakopter: I hope to solve this issues during the YAPC, but it'd be great if there was someone who knows this environment and could keep an eye or submit smoketest results
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13:51 dalek panda: 9c4e4cf | tadzik++ | ext/File__Tools/lib/Shell/Command.pm:
13:51 dalek panda: Update File::Tools with patches from sergot++
13:51 dalek panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/9c4e4cf988
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14:14 leont masak: can you send me that link we just discussed?
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14:36 tadzik panda now works on windows \o/
14:36 tadzik it's not commited yet
14:37 JimmyZ \o/
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14:39 sorear #perl6: know that I am safe and sound in .de
14:39 diakopter how was your airplane experience
14:40 diakopter now all other flights will seem quite short
14:42 sorear pff.  I still want to take a trip to Mars someday.
14:42 sorear 2 excellent, 1 tolerable
14:44 pmichaud tadzik++
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15:00 dalek niecza: 7832503 | sorear++ | js/ (2 files):
15:00 dalek niecza: Start putting in the framework for developing the javascript kernel
15:00 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/7832503579
15:00 dalek niecza: 4647c66 | sorear++ | js/ (2 files):
15:00 dalek niecza: Int/String thaw logic and compatible version checking
15:00 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/4647c66c57
15:00 dalek niecza: 49c157f | sorear++ | js/niecza.js:
15:00 dalek niecza: First draft of a deser method
15:00 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/49c157f25f
15:00 dalek niecza: c248dcf | sorear++ | lib/ (3 files):
15:00 dalek niecza: Preliminary Buf support
15:00 dalek niecza:
15:00 dalek niecza: Supports encode, decode, and bytes, should be enough for a web server.
15:00 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/c248dcf50a
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15:02 pmurias sorear: how do you plan to support coroutines under javascript?
15:09 pmurias sorear: for server side i'm think of faking them with fibers in rakudo-js
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15:19 dalek panda: 1d9a80a | tadzik++ | / (7 files):
15:19 dalek panda: Make panda work on windows. szabgab++ for supplying a windows machine
15:19 dalek panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/1d9a80a82e
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15:22 gfldex p6: my %h = '1' => 10, '2' => 20; "%1; abc %2;".subst(m:g/'%'(.+?)';'/, -> $m { %h{$m[0].Str} }).say;
15:22 p6eval niecza v19-21-gc86e8e5: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mâ�¤â�¤Regex modifier g not yet implemented at /tmp/5tXDETFPZw line 1:â�¤------> > 10, '2' => 20; "%1; abc %2;".subst(m:gâ��/'%'(.+?)';'/, -> $m { %h{$m[0].Str} }).â�¤â�¤Unhandled exception: Check failedâ�¤â�¤  at /home/p6ev…
15:22 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«No such method 'match' for invocant of type 'Any'␤  in block  at /tmp/1ShpqqTmOQ:1␤␤»
15:22 gfldex i like nieczas error message much better :)
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16:08 dalek ecosystem: 9956d47 | tadzik++ | META.list:
16:08 dalek ecosystem: Use MIME::Base64 from moritz++'s repo (it works)
16:08 dalek ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosy[…]commit/9956d47287
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16:11 tadzik argh, that doesn't help
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17:31 UncleFester6 tadzik: https://github.com/ronaldxs/Perl6-MIME-Base64 should work ...
17:35 UncleFester6 See also my discussion on #parrot explaining problems with the parrot MIME::Base64 library which make me inclined to write/bring back a pure perl6 implementation that dtr.
17:36 UncleFester6 See here http://irclog.perlgeek.de/parr[…]2-08-18#i_5907630 and further discussion with dukeleto
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18:27 japhb tadzik, is panda now fully Windows compatible?
18:34 japhb Module idea: a few methods that figure out the OS-appropriate path for user's home directory, (global and user) settings root, (global and user) settings dir for a project <foo>, etc.  Seems like it could go into File-Tools, actually ....
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19:47 pmichaud rn: my @a = 1,2,3;  my $s := @a;  say $s =:= @a;
19:47 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«False␤»
19:47 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«True␤»
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19:51 jnthn japhb: afaik, it works on Windows fully now
19:51 jnthn and a couple of Rakudo issues fixe don the way :)
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19:54 sorear pmurias: niecza/js, if it goes anywhere, will be mostly stackless
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20:00 pmichaud rn: my @a = 1,2,3;  my $s := @a; my $t := @a; say $s =:= $t;
20:00 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52, niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:04 TimToady (mst) he left his laptop unattended but you guys are awesome - somebody tell him please
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20:11 diakopter was that mst typing as TimToady or TimToady typing about mst?
20:11 moritz mst typing on TimToady's machine, afaict
20:14 moritz nr: my @a = 1, 2, 3; my $s := @a; say $s =:= @a
20:14 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:14 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:16 pmichaud rn: my @a = 1,2,3;  my $s := @a;  say $s =:= @a;
20:16 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:16 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:17 moritz tadzik: MIME::Base64 merged
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20:18 pmichaud rn: my $s = [1,2,3];  my @a := $s;  say $s =:= @a;
20:18 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:18 p6eval ..niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:20 jeffreykegler I have a question about S05's discussion of <~~>
20:21 jeffreykegler Quoth S05: <~~> "is implicitly anchored to the end of the operator as any other subrule would be. Despite the fact that the outer rule scans the string, the inner call to it does not."
20:21 jeffreykegler I believe this is trying to say that the inner rule does not restart the scan
20:21 TimToady or continue it
20:21 moritz it basically means that <~~> is implicitly anchored
20:22 jeffreykegler "to the end of the operator"?
20:22 jeffreykegler Does operator here mean the "<~~>"
20:23 tadzik japhb: yes, I claim so
20:23 tadzik japhb: File::HomeDir from Perl 5, and yes, we need that methinks
20:24 jeffreykegler My problem is that my interpretation of the phrase "implicityly anchored" either has it stating the obvious, or has it saying something completely mysterious
20:24 jeffreykegler * "implicityly" -> implicitly
20:25 jeffreykegler And the second statement that the inner call "does not [scan the string]", I simply cannot make sense of, unless I read "scan" as "rescan" or "restart the scan"
20:26 sorear n: my $s = [1,2,3]; my @a := $s; say +[@a] # seems pmichaud found an actual "bug"
20:26 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«1␤»
20:26 sorear for values of "bug" where it disageees with my ideas of how this should work, anyway
20:28 moritz jeffreykegler: "scanning the string" means "searching for where the regex starts to match"
20:28 moritz jeffreykegler: and it doesn't do that, because it's anchored
20:29 moritz and yes, that's completely obvious
20:29 jeffreykegler moritz: Aha!
20:29 TimToady when you /foo/ it's implicitly /^ .*? foo <~~>/; it's just trying to say there's no implicit .*? in that case, so it's equivalen to /foofoo.../ not /foo.*?foo.../
20:29 sorear n: my $s = [1,2,3]; my @a := $s; say @a.plrl ; say $s.perl
20:29 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method plrl in type Array␤  at /tmp/_c5IhcT63h line 1 (mainline @ 5) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3946 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3947 (module-CORE @ 567) ␤  at /home…
20:29 jeffreykegler OK, now I understand
20:29 sorear n: my $s = [1,2,3]; my @a := $s; say @a.perl ; say $s.perl
20:29 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«[1, 2, 3]␤[1, 2, 3]␤»
20:29 moritz note that <~~> is pretty low on our priority list
20:30 sorear NewBoundVar is not doing its job
20:31 jeffreykegler In my Marpa-based implementation of the Perl 6 syntax, <~~> is high on the priority list, and I wanted to make sure I understood what I was trying to implement
20:31 moritz ok
20:31 moritz nr: say so m/foo<~~>/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'
20:31 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«False␤False␤»
20:31 p6eval ..niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mâ�¤â�¤Action method assertion:sym<~~> not yet implemented at /tmp/9c8t0PxELr line 1:â�¤------> say so m/foo<~~â��>/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'â�¤â�¤Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in type Anyâ�¤  at /h…
20:32 moritz huh, why does rakudo fails for the first one
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20:32 moritz oh
20:33 masak quietfanatic! \o/
20:33 moritz nr: say so m/foo [<~~> | <?> ]/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'
20:33 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Action method assertion:sym<~~> not yet implemented at /tmp/xb9Eoezhn0 line 1:�------> say so m/foo [<~~�> | <?> ]/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'��Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in type A…
20:33 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«True␤True␤»
20:33 quietfanatic hi masak
20:33 masak moritz: that shows nothing, it just takes the <?> branch both times... :)
20:34 moritz masak: I just realized, yes
20:34 quietfanatic heh, I intended to just view the logs but I instinctively logged onto the webchat.
20:34 moritz nr: say so m/foo [<~~> | <?> ] $/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'
20:34 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«True␤True␤»
20:34 p6eval ..niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Action method assertion:sym<~~> not yet implemented at /tmp/U5rZvznGpJ line 1:�------> say so m/foo [<~~�> | <?> ] $/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'��Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in type…
20:34 colomon niecza/js, eh?
20:36 masak moritz: seems to me <~~> is either NYI, or simply crazily I.
20:36 moritz nr: say so m/^foo [<~~> | <?> ] $/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'
20:36 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Action method assertion:sym<~~> not yet implemented at /tmp/lyP6cIOXUv line 1:�------> say so m/^foo [<~~�> | <?> ] $/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'��Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method oplift in typ…
20:36 p6eval ..rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«False␤False␤»
20:36 jeffreykegler moritz: Marpa loves to recurse, so <~~> is a natural in that context
20:36 moritz r: say so m/^foo <~~>?  $/ for 'foofoo', 'foo a foo'
20:37 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«False␤False␤»
20:37 moritz masak: I think we have a passing test for it.
20:37 moritz r: use Test; plan 1; ok('1.2.' ~~ /\d+\. <~~> | <?>/, 'recursive regex using whole pattern')
20:37 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«1..1␤ok 1 - recursive regex using whole pattern␤»
20:37 moritz meh
20:38 moritz it simply scopes the | <?> to the whole regex
20:38 sorear colomon: little somthing I was playing with on the plane. idea, how hard to get _full_ p6 (no matter how slow) in a browser context for try.perl6
20:38 colomon sorear++
20:38 sorear colomon: not sure I'll do more with it for quite a whhile.  other priorities have been raised.
20:39 colomon well, you still have a flight home.
20:39 pmichaud rn: my $x := 3;  my $y := $x;  say $x =:= $y;
20:39 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52, niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:39 colomon though now you've got me curious about the other priorities, if you can say anything about them...
20:40 tadzik hah, LWP::SImple's broken itself
20:40 tadzik No such method 'bytes' for invocant of type 'Str'
20:40 tadzik did we change the socket api recently?
20:41 sorear we did change Str recently
20:41 moritz right, Str.bytes is gone
20:42 moritz .oO( nobody reads deprecation notices anyway :( )
20:50 masak we should put them in IGNOREME or something.
20:50 tadzik SECRET_COREOPS_NOTES_DO_NOT_READ
20:52 sorear am I allowed to tell colomon about our secret priorities?
20:53 dalek niecza: 025a6e6 | sorear++ | lib/CodeGen.cs:
20:53 dalek niecza: Rw bindings to lists were being mishandled, pmichaud++
20:53 dalek niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/025a6e6160
20:53 masak sorear: I... I think so.
20:53 colomon \o/
20:53 masak this meeting is not very sekkrit.
20:54 jnthn First rule of sektrit meeting is not to talk about sekrit meeting :P
20:54 pmichaud n: my @a;  say @a.defined;
20:54 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«True␤»
20:54 masak n: my &c; say &c.defined
20:54 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:54 masak n: my &c; &c()
20:54 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method postcircumfix:<( )> in type Any␤  at /tmp/O85uy0v6oi line 1 (mainline @ 4) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3946 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3947 (module-CORE @ 567…
20:55 masak n: my &c; say &c ~~ Callable
20:55 p6eval niecza v19-25-gc248dcf: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:55 masak sorear: ^
20:56 moritz r: my &c; say &c ~~ Callable
20:56 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«False␤»
20:56 moritz masak: ^
20:56 jnthn Yeah, that's probably wrong.
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20:58 masak moritz: :)
20:58 masak it's interesting that $ and & values start their lives as undefined, but @ and % values do not.
20:59 UncleFester6 my fork of LWP::Simple should work https://github.com/ronaldxs/perl6-lwp-simple
20:59 masak I'm guessing pmichaud++ did the eval above because he's thinking about these matters again.
21:00 colomon sorear: I promise not to tell anyone anything they shouldn't know....
21:02 tadzik UncleFester6: trying
21:02 UncleFester6 I asked a couple of people for feedback and am still waiting ... so if anyone wants to look and get back to me - thanks
21:05 pmichaud masak:  you're correct.  and discussing things with TimToady++ and sorear++
21:05 pmichaud and jnthn++
21:05 pmichaud I'm afk for a bit for a walk
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21:06 tipdbmp r: say "@{[ DateTime.now.ymd ]}";
21:06 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«No such method 'ymd' for invocant of type 'DateTime'␤  in block  at /tmp/qfoAzUGEQe:1␤␤»
21:07 tipdbmp r: say "@{[ DateTime.now.year ]}";
21:07 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«@2012␤»
21:07 tipdbmp r: say "@{[ DateTime.now.month ]}";
21:07 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«@8␤»
21:07 tipdbmp r: say "@{[ DateTime.now.ymd(".") ]}";
21:07 p6eval rakudo 2bbe52: OUTPUT«No such method 'ymd' for invocant of type 'DateTime'␤  in block  at /tmp/cmMPKirmss:1␤␤»
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21:08 masak pmichaud: discussing things here briefly with moritz++, we seem to feel that too much autoviv magic is not a good thing.
21:08 masak more precisely, autoviv makes sense one or more levels down in a data structure, but it makes much less sense in an actual variable container.
21:09 masak not just writes have to vivify, but also reads. and that's can-of-worms problematic.
21:09 pmichaud masak: I'm leaning that way also.  moritz++'s arguments are fairly persuasive.
21:09 masak aye.
21:09 masak I've been leaning both ways at different times with this question.
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21:18 tadzik phenny: tell UncleFester6 your LWP::Simple doesn't seem to build for me: "Serialization Error: Unimplemented object type 'ByteBuffer' passed to write_ref"
21:18 phenny tadzik: I'll pass that on when UncleFester6 is around.
21:18 tadzik phenny: thank you darling
21:25 sorear colomon: so Liz and Wendy gathered two dozen of us in Perl for a small meeting to discuss stuff related to the future of Perl 5 and Perl 6 and making it work out
21:26 colomon oooo, interesting
21:27 sorear and when I say Perl I'm talking about a German town of 7,000 within walking distance of both .fr and .lu
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21:56 pmurias sorear: no matter how slow: why not try enscripten
21:57 pmurias on mono
21:58 * colomon is dying to get the full story on this meeting of the Perls, but reluctantly recognizes it might not be the best time to talk about it.  Here's hoping some sort of cunning plan was worked out!
22:02 pmurias sorear: a google search seems to imply using enscripten for that might be not worth the trouble
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22:08 sorear I care about size to a much greater extent than speed
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23:26 jeffreykegler A question about implementing precedence in Perl 6 syntax
23:27 jeffreykegler I take it that the proper way to do things is the one described in S06
23:27 jeffreykegler The tighter/looser/equiv traits and all that
23:28 jeffreykegler And that the other mechanisms in STD.pm are just scaffolding to get things going
23:50 dalek nqp: 6255819 | pmichaud++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
23:50 dalek nqp: Enable parsing of :nohandler in QAST::Op while/etc loops.
23:50 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/62558198bb
23:50 dalek nqp: b1d897d | pmichaud++ | src/QAST/Operations.nqp:
23:50 dalek nqp: Add :nohandler option to PAST::Op loop nodes.
23:50 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/b1d897df70

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