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[Coke] |
i grabbed a fresh copy of rakudo and built it. I grabbed a copy of panda and ran <installed perl6> bootstrap.pl. it claims it installed panda... but where? |
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[Coke] |
~/.perl6/bin. (wonder how star gets around this.) |
| 00:07 |
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[Coke] |
so, my idea was to take Net::IRC::Bot and MuEvent and JSON::RPC and write a bot that checked twitter for perl6 tweets and sent them here. Someone have fun and run with that. |
| 00:07 |
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[Coke] |
I give up. |
| 00:09 |
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[Coke] |
here's the twitter URL: http://search.twitter.com/sear[…]%20%22perl%206%22 |
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[Coke] |
http://mdk.per.ly/2012/08/20/p[…]ification-summit/ |
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diakopter |
.u 1FAF |
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phenny |
U+1FAF GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA WITH DASIA AND PERISPOMENI AND PROSGEGRAMMENI (ᾯ) |
| 03:10 |
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diakopter |
or as I call it, Mr. Horseshoe. |
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DrEeevil |
hrm. nqp bundles in libtommath, would anyone mind a bug asking for it to be unbundled / to be able to use a system-installed version? |
| 06:00 |
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diakopter |
I'm curious why |
| 06:00 |
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diakopter |
(just to not bundle things?) |
| 06:03 |
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DrEeevil |
because it's ugly ;) |
| 06:03 |
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DrEeevil |
why are you building something my package manager already provides? |
| 06:04 |
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diakopter |
lack of developer resources (because it was easiest to just bundle it). plus the main developer develops on windows, which has no package manager. |
| 06:04 |
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diakopter |
not everyone has a package manager |
| 06:04 |
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diakopter |
so the default was to bundle it. |
| 06:05 |
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diakopter |
I'm sure patches are welcome to make it optionally use a system one. |
| 06:06 |
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diakopter |
do you have that kind of time? |
| 06:07 |
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DrEeevil |
well, I can try, it's a bit weirdly glued together |
| 06:07 |
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DrEeevil |
would have to figure out how to make it an optional toggle, I guess (automagic stuff is bad) |
| 06:08 |
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diakopter |
I agree; a Configure.pl flag would be good |
| 06:09 |
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diakopter |
(or environment variable) (or both) |
| 06:10 |
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DrEeevil |
hmm, I prefer Configure.pl flags. explicit and easy to read |
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moritz |
+1 to optionally use an existing dyncall |
| 06:19 |
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pmichaud |
good morning, #perl6 |
| 06:20 |
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moritz |
good am, pm |
| 06:21 |
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moritz |
eeweew |
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moritz |
sorry, hung connection |
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pmichaud |
moritz: I can haz access to doc.perl6.org ? |
| 06:47 |
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masak |
good morning, #perl6 |
| 06:50 |
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pmichaud |
good morning, masak++ |
| 06:50 |
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masak |
talk day 1! \o/ |
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sorear |
good morning! |
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sorear |
.u FBF9 |
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phenny |
U+FBF9 ARABIC LIGATURE UIGHUR KIRGHIZ YEH WITH HAMZA ABOVE WITH ALEF MAKSURA ISOLATED FORM (ﯹ) |
| 07:04 |
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masak |
character description length win :) |
| 07:04 |
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shachaf |
shachaf carbon:~$ cat UNIDATA/unic.txt | tail -n+2 | sort-by-lengths | tail -n1 |
| 07:04 |
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shachaf |
Hmm, apparenty I have a sort-by-lengths command and a sortbylengths alias. |
| 07:05 |
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moritz |
pmichaud: please nopaste one or more of your public ssh keys |
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shachaf |
sorear: How long are you in .eu? |
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sorear |
shachaf: probably going to be leaving European airspace sometime around 1300 CEST Friday |
| 07:10 |
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shachaf |
And back to CA shortly thereafter? |
| 07:11 |
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sorear |
yes |
| 07:11 |
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sorear |
why? |
| 07:11 |
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moritz |
.oO( to know when to use the Stinger rockets ) |
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* masak |
.oO( ouch! that's gotta Sting ) |
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moritz |
I'm pretty sure that's where the name comes from |
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masak |
the name makes me think of bees and wasps. |
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masak |
or the "Every Breath You Take" artist. |
| 07:24 |
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masak |
oh, hm. Sting wrote it, but The Police performed it. |
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moritz |
well, Sting was part of The Police, no? |
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sergot |
hi o/ ! |
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| 07:29 |
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masak |
dzień dobry, sergocie. :) |
| 07:29 |
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GlitchMr |
Dzień dobry, sergocie :P. |
| 07:30 |
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masak |
moritz: yes, seems he was. |
| 07:31 |
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hoelzro |
so I wrote up the following code: https://gist.github.com/3413127 |
| 07:31 |
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hoelzro |
that *should* work, right? |
| 07:31 |
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moritz |
r: https://gist.github.com/3413127 |
| 07:31 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter ''; expected R but got C instead in method me at /tmp/OGjm6VZ9qj:2 in block at /tmp/OGjm6VZ9qj:14» |
| 07:34 |
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hoelzro |
right, but I'm calling a role method on an object whose class consumes that role |
| 07:34 |
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* masak |
considers commuting to the venue |
| 07:35 |
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masak |
hoelzro: feels to me like it should work, yes. |
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hoelzro |
so...how do I make it work? =) |
| 07:36 |
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masak |
r: role R { method me { say "OH HAI" } }; R.^method_table<me>(R.new) |
| 07:36 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«OH HAI» |
| 07:36 |
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masak |
r: role R { method me { say "OH HAI" } }; class C does R {}; R.^method_table<me>(C.new) |
| 07:36 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«Nominal type check failed for parameter ''; expected R but got C instead in method me at /tmp/dGrHM2WopQ:1 in block at /tmp/dGrHM2WopQ:1» |
| 07:37 |
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* masak |
submits rakudobug |
| 07:37 |
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moritz |
hoelzro: you wait for jnthn to wake up. He might have an idea |
| 07:37 |
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moritz |
masak: there's already one for the same issue |
| 07:37 |
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masak |
ok. |
| 07:37 |
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hoelzro |
moritz: what TZ is jnthn ? |
| 07:37 |
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* masak |
commutes to venue |
| 07:37 |
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moritz |
hoelzro: CEST+{jnthn-get-up-late-offset} |
| 07:37 |
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DrEeevil |
sorear: it looks like the niecza-20 tag is missing (or github doesn't show it) |
| 07:39 |
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dalek |
niecza: 7ff1b8e | sorear++ | / (2 files): |
| 07:39 |
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dalek |
niecza: Add server sockets to socket test module |
| 07:39 |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/7ff1b8e631 |
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* sorear |
commutes |
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hoelzro |
I think the greatest barrier to starting Rakudo development is figuring out how all the pieces fit together |
| 08:06 |
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hoelzro |
parrot + nqp + Rakudo is one level |
| 08:06 |
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hoelzro |
now I'm trying to figure out how the internals of Parrot and NQP work =/ |
| 08:13 |
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arnsholt |
I'm not an expert, but I might be able to help a bit |
| 08:13 |
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arnsholt |
What are you looking for? |
| 08:14 |
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hoelzro |
oh, I'm just commenting =) |
| 08:14 |
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arnsholt |
Ah, right =) |
| 08:14 |
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hoelzro |
I think if I ever get my head around it, I'll write a series of blog posts |
| 08:14 |
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arnsholt |
Anyways, a good place to start is often rakudo/src/Perl6/Grammar.pm |
| 08:14 |
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arnsholt |
Find the bit of grammar handling what you're looking at, trace through Actions.pm |
| 08:15 |
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arnsholt |
That'll usually lead you to some bootstrappy bits and indications as to where in NQP you should look |
| 08:15 |
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hoelzro |
hmm |
| 08:15 |
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arnsholt |
Or, that's what I often do, at least |
| 08:15 |
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hoelzro |
some of the time, I'll see something like this in Actions.pm: |
| 08:16 |
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hoelzro |
make $/<something>.ast |
| 08:16 |
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hoelzro |
and I have no idea how to figure out what happens next... |
| 08:16 |
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moritz |
there's an action method associated with most grammar rules |
| 08:16 |
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arnsholt |
Then the rule passes through the object made in the something rule |
| 08:17 |
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moritz |
and they all call 'make' to set the current .ast |
| 08:17 |
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moritz |
so make $<something>.ast just uses the AST of rule 'something' as the current AST |
| 08:17 |
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moritz |
so yes, passing it on |
| 08:17 |
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hoelzro |
ok, that makes sense |
| 08:17 |
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hoelzro |
so what "handles" the current AST? |
| 08:18 |
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moritz |
you mean, which rule works on the resulting AST? |
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* moritz |
isn't sure he understood the question |
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hoelzro |
moritz: I think so, yes |
| 08:20 |
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moritz |
src/main.nqp sets upt he compilation chain |
| 08:20 |
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moritz |
which basically says that the return value from TOP is compiled down to PIR |
| 08:20 |
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moritz |
and TOP calls comp_unit |
| 08:20 |
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moritz |
and comp_unit calls other rules, which eventually call the rules you care about |
| 08:21 |
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moritz |
and the handling of the ASTs is the reverse process |
| 08:21 |
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moritz |
so, your caller handles whatever you did |
| 08:21 |
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hoelzro |
I see |
| 08:21 |
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moritz |
and eventually the caller's caller is TOP, which is then handled by Perl6::Compiler, as set up in src/main.nqp |
| 08:22 |
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moritz |
it's basically post-order tree traversal |
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* hoelzro |
needs to start a Rakudo reading list |
| 08:24 |
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* moritz |
needs to start a rakudo writing list :-) |
| 08:25 |
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hoelzro |
=) |
| 08:25 |
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arnsholt |
It's compositional semantics, if that's the kind of term that makes sense to you =) |
| 08:25 |
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moritz |
it does |
| 08:26 |
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moritz |
at some point I've made a nice (IMHO) overview of the rakudo architecture, but it's now out of date |
| 08:26 |
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moritz |
and I've long wanted to update it |
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DrEeevil |
sorear: hrm. niecza bootstrap is "dirty" ... would you be terribly upset if I mangled that to bits? |
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mathw |
o/ |
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tadzik |
[Coke]: (MuEvent) I dunno, should be probably |
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phenny |
tadzik: 20 Aug 21:36Z <japhb_> ask tadzik Can panda GitHub issue #15 "install for windows, Could not find Shell::Command" be closed now? |
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tadzik |
japhb: (#15) I'd be glad to get feedback from the original bug openers. I _hope_ it can be closed |
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arnsholt |
o/ jeffreykegler |
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jeffreykegler |
hi |
| 09:33 |
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jeffreykegler |
arnsholt: I was just following your suggestion to read "rakudo/src/Perl6/Grammar.pm" |
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kresike |
hello all you happy perl6 people |
| 09:38 |
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moritz |
\o kresike, jeffreykegler, arnsholt |
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moritz |
jeffreykegler: any insights from reading it? |
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kresike |
o/ moritz |
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arnsholt |
jeffreykegler: Oh, cool =) |
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* mathw |
is moonlighting as a happy Perl 5 person today |
| 09:39 |
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arnsholt |
It can be big and scary (and it makes perl6.vim lose it completely) but it's pretty straightforward, mostly |
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jeffreykegler |
I'm looking into operator precedence for a blog post, and so just skimming |
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arnsholt |
Of course, previous experience with weird grammar formalisms has hardened me a bit =) |
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arnsholt |
(HPSG, I'm looking at you) |
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jeffreykegler |
Also, it's 2:30 AM PST, and I need something to put me back to sleep :-) |
| 09:42 |
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moritz |
the actual precedence fiddling bit happens in nqp/src/HLL/Grammar.pm in EXPR and EXPR_reduce |
| 09:42 |
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moritz |
which is still mostly written in PIR, it seems :( |
| 09:42 |
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arnsholt |
Yeah, the OPP was really scary last time I looked |
| 09:43 |
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moritz |
STD.pm6 has a Perl 6 version of the OPP |
| 09:43 |
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arnsholt |
Oh, excellent. I'll have to look at that at some point |
| 09:43 |
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moritz |
which is also scary :-) |
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arnsholt |
But probably less pages of code than the PIR version =) |
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arnsholt |
(fewer?) |
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moritz |
fewer |
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moritz |
pages are countable |
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arnsholt |
Right, right |
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moritz |
285 lines |
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arnsholt |
But the PIR one is closer to a kiloline, IIRC =) |
| 09:46 |
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moritz |
and does less |
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moritz |
push @opstack, $infix; # The Shift |
| 09:46 |
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moritz |
oh, the pain |
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moritz |
yes, 800 lines of PIR |
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jeffreykegler |
good night, all! |
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mj41 |
Hello from Frankfurt. Enjoy updated feature matrix summary chart https://raw.github.com/mj41/Pe[…]0-%20GoodData.png |
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moritz |
mj41++ |
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pmichaud |
07:05 <moritz> pmichaud: please nopaste one or more of your public ssh keys |
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pmichaud |
moritz: https://gist.github.com/be2b026e28c58a6bdef2 |
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GlitchMr |
mj41: just wondering, why partial features are over missing features? |
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dalek |
ecosystem: bf25353 | tadzik++ | META.list: |
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dalek |
ecosystem: Add MuEvent |
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dalek |
ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosy[…]commit/bf2535361e |
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hoelzro |
why is it that nqp code always uses binding (:=) instead of assignment? |
| 10:53 |
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tadzik |
because nqp doesn't support assignment :) |
| 10:54 |
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hoelzro |
=P |
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hoelzro |
why not? |
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GlitchMr |
It's probably too magical for simplified NQP code |
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hoelzro |
hmm |
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GlitchMr |
@array := 1, 2, 3; doesn't do what you would think |
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GlitchMr |
For that, you have to use @array := [1, 2, 3]; |
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hoelzro |
nqp::findmethod($obj, $name) is equivalent to $obj.^find_method($name), yes? |
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moritz |
hoelzro: assignment requires a level of indirection that NQP doesn't want/need to provide |
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hoelzro |
ok |
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hoelzro |
I'm still getting my head around = vs := vs ::= |
| 11:50 |
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hoelzro |
:= seems to be a reference assignment, afaict |
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moritz |
pmichaud: I've added your ssh key. You should be able to run the 'sync' script in the perl6/doc repo |
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moritz |
pmichaud: if you need addtional privs (like for changing the apache config), please let me know |
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[Coke] |
does jnthn++ have slides up from the debugger talk? |
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[Coke] |
or was it even a talk yet? |
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moritz |
it was a talk (about exceptions :-) |
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moritz |
and no, slides aren't up yet |
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[Coke] |
:( |
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moritz |
the newest on http://www.jnthn.net/articles.shtml are from the German Perl Workshop |
| 13:09 |
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[Coke] |
HTML, SHTML. |
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* [Coke] |
wonders if there is a way to view PDFS on the mac that will auto-fit to the size of the page, so I can hit "page down" and not have it be "page and a little bit". |
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[Coke] |
ah, preview-> turn off "continuous scroll". \o/ |
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Woodi |
o/ everyone :) |
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[Coke] |
good morning. |
| 13:19 |
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Woodi |
is Curses for Perl 6 maybe ? :) |
| 13:21 |
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GlitchMr |
http://www.perlfoundation.org/[…]with_perl_6_today says you can, but I don't know how |
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GlitchMr |
Perhaps NativeCall would work |
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moritz |
please ignore the perlfoundation perl6 wiki |
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moritz |
it's mostly unmaintained |
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Woodi |
but Curses is there... |
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moritz |
where "there"? |
| 13:28 |
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Woodi |
look Lue want Curses too :) http://rdstar.wordpress.com/20[…]f-game-in-august/ |
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tadzik |
well volunteered :) |
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Woodi |
"there" means perlfundation.org link above |
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Woodi |
what is prefered resource for _starting_ with NativeCalls ? |
| 13:33 |
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arnsholt |
The NativeCall Readme, then the tests |
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arnsholt |
After that, experimentation or asking here, I think |
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PerlJam |
sounds about right. |
| 13:34 |
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Woodi |
arnsholt: oki, I want to try: initscr(); endwin(); :) |
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pmichaud |
should I check with tpf to see about having the perlfoundation perl6 wiki forwarded to somewhere else? |
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Woodi |
pmichaud: probably we do not have ready page titled exactly: "What can YOU do with Perl 6 Now, Today, This minute?" |
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Woodi |
and title look nice... |
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arnsholt |
Although, there was someone working on Curses stuff a little while back |
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arnsholt |
Can't remember who though :/ |
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PerlJam |
Doesn't hurt to duplicate effort if Woodi learns something about how to use NativeCall. |
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arnsholt |
Definitely |
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arnsholt |
Just figured it'd be a good person to ask about stuff as well |
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moritz |
iirc there was an old curses binding for parrot, which a hacky p6 module used, back in the days |
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moritz |
if that's true, it surely won't work in nom |
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hates http://www.garfield.com/comics[…]=2012&addr=120821 ! but maybe Woodi is too naive... |
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[Coke] |
pmichaud: consider it raised to a TPF person. |
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[Coke] |
would we be happy if the whole thing was replaced with a link to perl6.org ? |
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* moritz |
would be, yes |
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TimToady |
wow, I can get on the network during a break, since everyone else is eating ice cream... |
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Woodi |
so far: Cannot locate native library 'libncurses.so' but it is in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ ... |
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moritz |
Woodi: does /etc/ld.so.conf have an entry for /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ ? |
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[Coke] |
ok, I'll take care of it. |
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Woodi |
moritz: no, it is empty... how my system is working ?? |
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moritz |
Woodi: I have no idea. What kind of system is it? |
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moritz |
I only know of linux that it uses ld.so.conf |
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PerlJam |
Woodi: try specifying the full path to the lib in your "is native()" call |
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moritz |
*BSD systems might use a different mechanism |
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PerlJam |
Woodi: or try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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arnsholt |
] |
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arnsholt |
] |
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arnsholt |
Whoops |
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moritz |
is that a 64 bit machine with a 32bit lib installed? |
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arnsholt |
Stuff hit my keyboard |
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Woodi |
moritz: 32 bit Debian, probably everything should be done as part of apt-get |
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PerlJam |
Woodi: (neither of those is "the answer", but they might be enough to get you going for now) |
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Woodi |
trying now |
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Woodi |
none works. will check strace... |
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PerlJam |
It would be nice if that "Cannot locate native library" message would tell you where it looked. |
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moritz |
Woodi: does linking a C program with libncurses work? |
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jnthn |
ohhai o/ |
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moritz |
lolitsjnthn! |
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PerlJam |
jnthn: o/ |
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hoelzro |
o/ jnthn |
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* jnthn |
was suffering from the heat in the venue, so has retreated to the hotel |
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geekosaur |
beware on recent debian-based distributions, libncurses.so is a linker script redirecting to libncursesw.so. several add-on dynamic linkers I'm aware of choke on the linker script |
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Woodi |
found: open("/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libncurses.so", O_RDONLY) = 3 and next: read(3, "INPUT(libncurses.so.5 -ltinfo)\n", 512) = 31 and then: write(2, "Cannot locate native library... maybe it do not like symlinks ? |
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Woodi |
yes, that libnc*w annoys me... |
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jnthn |
geekosaur: Would using dlopen work out on such a thing? |
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geekosaur |
I don't think so but havven't tested |
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geekosaur |
but that is a linker script right there that Woodi just quoted |
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moritz |
wtf? /usr/lib/libncurses.so: symbolic link to `/lib/libncurses.so.5' |
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jnthn |
It'd kinda suck if they did something such that the well-knwon primitive for dynamically loading a library didn't work... |
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moritz |
/usr/lib/libncurses.so.5: symbolic link to `libtermcap.so' |
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moritz |
/usr/lib/libtermcap.so: symbolic link to `libncurses.so' |
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geekosaur |
... |
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jnthn |
wtf indeed |
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PerlJam |
moritz: what OS? |
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moritz |
PerlJam: that's a debian stable |
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* PerlJam |
makes another mental note to be wary of debian |
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PerlJam |
;) |
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sirrobert |
is there a syntax for applying multiple roles through a single "does" ? |
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sirrobert |
class A does X, Y, Z { ... } |
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sirrobert |
that sort of thing (I tried a few but couldn't come up with one that worked =) |
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moritz |
no, you need multiple 'does' |
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moritz |
oh, one of them is a link to /lib/libncurses.so.5 |
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moritz |
not /usr/lib |
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sirrobert |
moritz: ok. Is that a reasonable feature request? |
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sirrobert |
(and if so, where do I make it? =) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: no, multiple 'does' work fine |
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jnthn |
sirrobert: I'm rather certain this has been discussed before :) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: why must it be a single 'does'? |
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jnthn |
I forget the exact arguments for why to keep things the way they are. |
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moritz |
precedence? |
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sirrobert |
jnthn: ok; I'll read up on it |
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jnthn |
Probably 'cus it's get ugly |
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jnthn |
moritz: Yeah, parsing issues could be fun |
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moritz |
oh |
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moritz |
and multi dispatch |
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jnthn |
Well, you'd need another candidate that took a list of roles... |
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moritz |
declaring multis for infix:<does> that do the right thing would be much harder |
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jnthn |
And parser tweaks |
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sirrobert |
it seems like "does (A, B, C)" could just do multiple does underneath? |
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jnthn |
moritz: This is about the trait mod |
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moritz |
jnthn: yes, same problem |
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jnthn |
*nod* |
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sirrobert |
well, I'm ok to use multiple "does" for now =) |
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* geekosaur |
wonders what benefit you get from uglier syntax? |
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sirrobert |
me too ;) |
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* moritz |
doesn't find the start of https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]model/ClassHOW.pm ugly at all |
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* jnthn |
wonders what benefit you get by saving a couple of characters when it introduces two ways to do something that look different but would really be completely the same |
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jnthn |
...and make something that's clean more complicated to boot. |
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sirrobert |
TIOORWTDI =) |
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jnthn |
moritz: Right, it's never bothered me either. |
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sirrobert |
I don't find the ClassHow definition ugly either, but there are other considerations, such as line length |
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jnthn |
So...spread it over more than one line! |
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jnthn |
:) |
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PerlJam |
line length? |
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jnthn |
My talk slides from yesterday are at http://jnthn.net/papers/2012-y[…]eu-exceptions.pdf |
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pmichaud |
\o/ jnthn++ |
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moritz |
it's not a very common operation, so not much gain from optimizing short syntax for it |
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jnthn |
And I already pasted the debugger URL yesterday :) |
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jnthn |
Also, I want to be where the front cover photo is again :P |
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sirrobert |
gain is in the eye of the beholder |
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pmichaud |
yeah, that front cover photo is awesome |
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sirrobert |
though (as I mentioned before) I'm happy to adhere to the aesthetic culture present |
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pmichaud |
for those looking at jnthn++'s slides, note that the debugger stuff is mostly in slide 49. |
| 14:32 |
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jnthn |
Yeah, the way to show the debugger was to, well, show the debugger :) |
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pmichaud |
I'm hoping to create a screencast to demo the debugger soonish (maybe thu or fri of this week, while I'm still in .de) |
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jnthn |
ooh |
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* moritz |
hasn't tried it yet, just read the source :-) |
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pmichaud |
seems as though everyone else will be mostly gone by fri, which means I'll have a day to do a little sightseeing and a fair bit of catching up on hacking stuff |
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jnthn |
moritz: Oh my :) |
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pmichaud |
and since I have my webcams and stuff with me... I might be in good shape for making a screencast. |
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moritz |
jnthn: I had about 10 minutes on a slow machine and no compiled rakudo :-) |
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moritz |
webcam*s*? if you have more than one, you can record in 3D :-) |
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jnthn |
moritz: ah :) |
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pmichaud |
there's a webcam built-in to my laptop, and I have a usb webcam I carry around with me for emergency presentations |
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pmichaud |
anyway, I'm off to the lightning talks -- bbl |
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* moritz |
decommutes |
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kresike |
bye all |
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PerlJam |
sirrobert: I can see your desire for multiple does. All the repetition in the current way bothers ever so slightly. Have a look at some other craziness that I just thought of: https://gist.github.com/3416060 (the first is your version of does) |
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sirrobert |
PerlJam: thanks; reading =) |
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sirrobert |
yeah, the second two would be trixy, but the first is not uglier for long lists and prettier for short |
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sirrobert |
imho |
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PerlJam |
I don't really have an opinion either way (at least not a strong enough one). The existing way works and has less syntax to worry about, so on the whole, I'd lean towards the status quo |
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sirrobert |
that's about where I am on it |
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sirrobert |
worth asking about, in case it was implemented already |
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sirrobert |
not worth merely aesthetic arguments |
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PerlJam |
besides, once macros are fully functional, you can make your own multi-does if you want :) |
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sirrobert |
well, once macros are fully functional, obviously I'll write an Esperanto dialect ;) |
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sirrobert |
completely joking, of course |
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[Coke] |
OH NOES there are no actual debugger slides! ;) |
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[Coke] |
jnthn++ nice exception slides, though, moritz++ for heavy lifting. |
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[Coke] |
p6rd: next |
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p6rd |
parrot 2012-08-21, rakudo 2012-08-23, niecza 2012-08-27 |
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[Coke] |
is there going to be a star release this week? |
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jnthn |
Compiler release is this week, afaik |
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jnthn |
Star probably early next week unless somebody jumps on it sooner :) |
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Woodi |
could anyone check if this Curses/NC lines work for him pls ? http://pastebin.com/Ja9GMfPL Or maybe I messed something |
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PerlJam |
Woodi: my ubuntu system seems to have problems locating libncurses.so. If I change it to read ... is native('libncurses.so.5') ... the program executes |
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flussence |
mine doesn't even have a libncurses.so.5 symlink |
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flussence |
...and somewhat worryingly, the ubuntu desktop I'm at doesn't have /usr/lib/libncurses* at all. That doesn't seem right. |
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flussence |
oh. It's in /usr/lib/$ARCH/ |
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moritz |
works here too with libncurses.so.5 |
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sirrobert |
how do I add a module to the ecosystem? It's already created and formatted correctly (per wiki instructions) |
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tadzik |
sirrobert: ask me :) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: you add the URL to its META.info file to the perl6/ecosystem repo |
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sirrobert |
tadzik: heh ok =) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: tell me your github ID, and I can give you commit access to that repo |
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sirrobert |
moritz: via pull request? |
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moritz |
sirrobert: via direct pushing to it :-) |
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sirrobert |
sirrobert |
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sirrobert |
(that's my github id) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: you now have commit access to the ecosystem repo, and, oh, a few more repos. Welcome! |
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sirrobert |
thanks (both) =) |
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tadzik |
\o/ |
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sirrobert |
what do o/ and \o/ mean? |
| 15:22 |
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tadzik |
it's a head and a set of hands |
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sirrobert |
ahh, heh |
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PerlJam |
o/\o (high 5!) |
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moritz |
and now you can guess what /o\ means :-) |
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sirrobert |
handstand? |
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tadzik |
more like "OH ONES" |
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moritz |
more like hiding your head under your arms |
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tadzik |
or maybe "OH NOES" |
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sirrobert |
I guess % is like ... a two-headed guy trying to brush his hair? |
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tadzik |
hehe |
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sirrobert |
heh nod |
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dalek |
ecosystem: c35ff6a | (Sir Robert Burbridge)++ | META.list: |
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dalek |
ecosystem: added Class::Utils |
| 15:28 |
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dalek |
ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosy[…]commit/c35ff6a86f |
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sirrobert |
a 'getting my feet wet' module |
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moritz |
sirrobert++ |
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PerlJam |
sirrobert++ indeed. |
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PerlJam |
sirrobert: You say "Array for example" ... do you know any other classes that have this problem? A nice addition to your module might be something that shows which classes require it. Like a program that you can run to test a particular class maybe? |
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sirrobert |
good idea. I don't know of any off the top of my head (I just tried with Array), but I can check easily enough |
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sirrobert |
Can you add that as an issue in the module's repo? |
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moritz |
do I suck at searching on the internet, or is it really that hard to find documentation about ncurses? |
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sirrobert |
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/ |
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sirrobert |
helpful? |
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moritz |
sirrobert: more than what I had until now, thanks |
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sirrobert |
sure |
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moritz |
I actually wanted the API documentation |
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sirrobert |
ah |
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sirrobert |
http://invisible-island.net/nc[…]curses-intro.html |
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geekosaur |
afaik the API docs are all manpages |
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geekosaur |
no html or other fancy formats |
| 15:42 |
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geekosaur |
with 'man 3 curses' as the table of contents |
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PerlJam |
sirrobert: did you just google "ncurses API reference" and follow the stack overflow link ? :-) |
| 15:43 |
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sirrobert |
heh nod |
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sirrobert |
surprisingly often, that's better search results than other people get |
| 15:43 |
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sirrobert |
my sister is a search ninja. I'm more of a search hooligan. |
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moritz |
eeks |
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moritz |
NativeCall exports a refresh() function |
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moritz |
and I want to define my own sub refresh |
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PerlJam |
really? |
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PerlJam |
that's ... unfortunate |
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moritz |
ah well, 'is symbol<refresh>' to the rescue |
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moritz |
https://gist.github.com/3416731 |
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PerlJam |
looking at /usr/include/ncurses.h it should be fairly straight forward to create NativeCall declarations for most of the ncurses routines |
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thou |
PerlJam: i started one |
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arnsholt |
moritz: Oh, good point. Might be an argument in favour of changing the name a bit =) |
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thou |
PerlJam: https://github.com/softmoth/p6-Term-Curses |
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PerlJam |
thou++ |
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moritz |
arnsholt: I sow it as an argument in favour adding export traits |
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moritz |
*saw |
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moritz |
*export tags |
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dalek |
zavolaj/export-tags: 3228da6 | moritz++ | lib/NativeCall.pm6: |
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dalek |
zavolaj/export-tags: add export tags |
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dalek |
zavolaj/export-tags: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavol[…]commit/3228da6dee |
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arnsholt |
Or that, yeah =) |
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moritz |
arnsholt: if you like that branch, feel free to merge |
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moritz |
arnsholt: if you like that branch, feel free to mergec |
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PerlJam |
moritz: apparently you and I think quite a bit alike :) (though you actually did something about it) |
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PerlJam |
arnsholt: what does refresh() do exactly? |
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arnsholt |
Looks good to me |
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arnsholt |
PerlJam: It's for corner cases, really |
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sirrobert |
r: say ::('::?PACKAGE'); |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«Start of substr out of range. Is: 1, should be in 0..0 in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:9719 in method Stringy at src/gen/CORE.setting:735 in sub infix:<eq> at src/gen/CORE.setting:1047 in sub INDIRECT_NAME_LOOKUP at src/gen/CORE.setting:11704 in blo… |
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arnsholt |
If you pass an object to C and that object is mutated we catch the change when the C function returns |
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arnsholt |
But if one function call saves a reference to an object and another one changes it (where the object is not an argument) we need a way to explicitly check for changes |
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arnsholt |
Might be useful with callbacks too, come to think of it |
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PerlJam |
I was having hard time thinking of when it would be useful *without* callbacks. |
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PerlJam |
(after reading src/ops/nqp_dyncall.ops) |
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sirrobert |
is there a var that stores a list of all available classes? |
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moritz |
no |
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moritz |
r: say CORE::.keys |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«ObjAt Stash Scalar Proxy Grammar PROCESS Bool False True ContainerDescriptor MethodDispatcher MultiDispatcher WrapDispatcher StaticLexPad NQPCursorRole Metamodel Pair Whatever WhateverCode Positional Associative Callable X &trait_mod:<is> &EXPORT_SYMBOL &trait_mod:… |
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moritz |
that gives you some |
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moritz |
you just have to grep for the undefined values |
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sirrobert |
thanks |
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hoelzro |
jnthn: I was told I should bother you about this: https://gist.github.com/3413127 |
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arnsholt |
PerlJam: The tests for it is without callbacks, if you're interested =) |
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arnsholt |
But yeah, it was essentially a piece of LHF I picked |
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moritz |
it's something that was needed for the SQLite driver, iirc |
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arnsholt |
Wasn't that the explicitly managed strings? |
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moritz |
oh right |
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moritz |
another pitfall |
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GlitchMr |
.u ☺ |
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phenny |
U+263A WHITE SMILING FACE (☺) |
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GlitchMr |
.u 😁 |
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phenny |
U+1F601 (No name found) |
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GlitchMr |
But... it is Unicode 6.1 character |
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GlitchMr |
Is Unicode 6.1 supported in phenny? |
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moritz |
phenny only supports character upt to U+FFFF |
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GlitchMr |
I guess I have to do it myself |
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GlitchMr |
U+1F601 GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES (😁) |
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thou |
r: my $io = '/etc'.IO; <d e f l r s w x z t>.map({ $io."$_"() }).say; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«True True False False True 4096 False True False False» |
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thou |
r: my $io = '/etc'.IO; <d e f l r s w x z t>.map({ $_ => $io."$_"() }).say; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Any in string context in block at /tmp/0RUwHgTYzz:1Method '' not found for invocant of class 'IO' in block at /tmp/0RUwHgTYzz:1» |
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thou |
what am i doing wrong in 2nd instance? |
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moritz |
r: my $io = '/etc'.IO; <d e f l r s w x z t>.map({; $_ => $io."$_"() }).say |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«d True e True f False l False r True s 4096 w False x True z False t False» |
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moritz |
thou: it's the hash vs. block thing |
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thou |
ah |
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colomon |
hash vs block: who'd win? |
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GlitchMr |
It depends |
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GlitchMr |
DWIM chooses |
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thou |
i thought if $_ was present, then it should be a block |
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moritz |
aye; rakudo doesn't implement that part yet |
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thou |
roit |
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thou |
rn: my $p = '/foo/bar'; my $r = substr-rw($p, 0, $p.index('/', 1)) = ''; say "p[$p], r[$r]"; |
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p6eval |
niecza v19-30-g7ff1b8e: OUTPUT«p[/bar], r[/bar]» |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«p[/bar], r[/foo]» |
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dalek |
doc: e7f00c9 | moritz++ | lib/X/Signature/NameClash.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Signature::NameClash |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e7f00c9caa |
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thou |
should i believe niecza, rakudo, or neither? |
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* moritz |
has no idea |
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thou |
i'm kind of surprised that $r isn't '' |
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thou |
i'm pretty sure niecza's doesn't make sense |
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thou |
i actually like rakudo's interpretation, but i'm not sure how it works |
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* moritz |
neither |
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thou |
r: my $p = '/foo/bar'; my $r = (substr-rw($p, 0, $p.index('/', 1)) = ''); say "p[$p], r[$r]"; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«p[/bar], r[/foo]» |
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moritz |
and I implemented substr-rw |
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thou |
r: my $p = '/foo/bar'; (my $r = substr-rw($p, 0, $p.index('/', 1))) = ''; say "p[$p], r[$r]"; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«p[/foo/bar], r[]» |
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thou |
n: my $p = '/foo/bar'; (my $r = substr-rw($p, 0, $p.index('/', 1))) = ''; say "p[$p], r[$r]"; |
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p6eval |
niecza v19-30-g7ff1b8e: OUTPUT«p[/foo/bar], r[]» |
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thou |
maybe just need to rewrite the docs. seems that if substr-rw is rw subroutine, it needs to be on the LHS of assignment in order to have effect; otherwise it's just substr |
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thou |
so it doesn't return a writable reference to part of $p. it returns the same thing as substr(). |
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PerlJam |
thou: I don't know about "just rewrite the docs" ... surely there's a test missing? |
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thou |
yeah |
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* thou |
looks at S32-str/substr-rw.t |
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thou |
OK, so it's NYI |
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dalek |
doc: 6fc732a | moritz++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Method::Private::Permission |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/6fc732a62a |
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dalek |
doc: 3b79954 | moritz++ | lib/X/Method/Private/Unqualified.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Method::Private::Unqualified |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/3b79954338 |
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diakopter |
.u hexagram decayed |
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phenny |
U+4DD1 HEXAGRAM FOR WORK ON THE DECAYED (䷑) |
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moritz |
wow |
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moritz |
phenny: ask jnthn in Actions.pm sub bind_op, is there any way to obtain the variable name to pass to X::Bind::NativeType? if so, how? |
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phenny |
moritz: I'll pass that on when jnthn is around. |
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dalek |
doc: 471e747 | moritz++ | lib/X/Bind/NativeType.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Bind::NativeType |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/471e747335 |
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thou |
how do i write this? |
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thou |
std: (-> $x => $y { $x.say }).('foo' => 'bar') |
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p6eval |
std 235f71b: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Preceding context expects a term, but found infix > instead at /tmp/HqcsBWTDGV line 1:�------> (-> $x =�> $y { $x.say }).('foo' => 'bar')�Parse failed�FAILED 00:00 43m�» |
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PerlJam |
what are you trying to say? |
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thou |
i have a list of pairs, and i want to write a for loop: for @pairs -> $k => $v { say "key: $k, val: $v" } |
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PerlJam |
what's the $y for? |
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thou |
r: my @pairs = a => 1, b => 2, c => 3; for @pairs>>.kv -> $k, $v { say "k $k, v $v" } |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«k a, v 1k b, v 2k c, v 3» |
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moritz |
thou: for @pairs -> $ (:$key, :$value) { say "$k => $v" } |
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moritz |
uses signature unpacking |
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moritz |
or |
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thou |
ah, cool |
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thou |
yes, i was hoping to unpack in the sig there |
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thou |
r: my @pairs = a => 1, b => 2, c => 3; for @pairs -> $(:$key, :$value) { say "k $key, v $value" } |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«k a, v 1k b, v 2k c, v 3» |
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thou |
thanks, moritz++! |
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thou |
r: my @pairs = a => 1, b => 2, c => 3; for @pairs -> $(:key($foo), :value($bar)) { say "k $foo, v $bar" } |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«k a, v 1k b, v 2k c, v 3» |
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thou |
maybe ».kv is cleaner anyways :-) |
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moritz |
maybe :-) |
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jnthn |
moritz: (bind_op) you'll have a QAST::Var to hand typically. You can look at its .name |
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phenny |
jnthn: 19:17Z <moritz> ask jnthn in Actions.pm sub bind_op, is there any way to obtain the variable name to pass to X::Bind::NativeType? if so, how? |
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moritz |
jnthn: thanks |
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pmichaud |
good evening, #perl6 |
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PerlJam |
pm: greetings! How's .eu? |
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jnthn |
moritz: note that in the postcircumfix cases there's not an easy ride though |
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jnthn |
moritz: as in, the expression on the left could be fairly complex |
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pmichaud |
.eu has been very enjoyable... a bit more so than I had expected. |
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pmichaud |
more enjoyable because of the people I've been hanging out with, mainly |
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pmichaud |
plus many of the talks ahve been excellent |
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PerlJam |
excellent |
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pmichaud |
I'll be glad for the conference to be over so I can get back to hacking, though. |
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pmichaud |
we really need to figure out a hacking venue for thursday that has a/c |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: yes. yes. yes. |
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PerlJam |
what little of the Perl summit that's made it out into the blogosphere has seemed very positive. |
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dalek |
niecza: 94c69fe | sorear++ | / (2 files): |
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* jnthn |
has already almost melted down multiple times this yapc thanks to the heat... |
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dalek |
niecza: Move IO::Socket::INET into the setting & a DateTime stub for Dancer |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/94c69fe7f7 |
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PerlJam |
I haven't seen much about YAPC::EU though |
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PerlJam |
(haven't looked really) |
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moritz |
PerlJam: there's a bit on twitter |
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masak |
good morning, #perl6 |
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pmichaud |
I don't yet know how much time TimToady++ will have on Thu for hacking... so hacking venue may depend a bit on that. We'll undoubtedly work it out tomorrow :) |
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PerlJam |
jnthn: global warming. It's a trend :) |
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moritz |
but I get the impression that wifi is bad the conference, which is why nearly nobody reports directly from it |
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moritz |
is that true? |
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moritz |
good am, masak |
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pmichaud |
we have remarked that it will be odd if YAPC::NA 2013 (Austin, TX) ends up having lower temperatures than YAPC::EU 2012 (Frankfurt) |
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masak |
moritz: yes, it's true. |
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pmichaud |
wifi is problematic, yes. |
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pmichaud |
this afternoon I basically gave up on even bringing my notebook to the venue; not worth the weight |
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moritz |
jnthn: currently I'm mainly interested in the case where we've already checked for QAST::Var |
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moritz |
r: my int $ := 3 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Cannot bind to a natively typed variable; use assignment insteadat /tmp/A0X00Jhfkg:1» |
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jnthn |
moritz: Ok, then it's easy. Use le .name |
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pmichaud |
PerlJam: overall I have to say the summit was very positive |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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moritz |
agreed, even though I missed half of it |
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moritz |
good morning sorear :-) |
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pmichaud |
I somewhat expected it to be positive, but apparently many others had stronger trepidations than I did :) |
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ingy |
seen TimToady |
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aloha |
TimToady was last seen in #perl6 5 hours 58 mins ago saying "wow, I can get on the network during a break, since everyone else is eating ice cream...". |
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PerlJam |
pm: that's the gap that needed filling. |
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sorear |
moritz: are we not both in CEST? |
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jnthn |
For anyone who missed the commits: the Rakudo debugger now lets you single step through regexes. |
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moritz |
sorear: everybody is in UGT :-) |
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sorear |
I don't like this UGT meme. It's stepping on the toes of my "good *" meme. |
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pmichaud |
"*" is a valid UGT time, I think :) |
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* moritz |
doesn't see the conflict either |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: okay, now you're just showing off. :-P |
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moritz |
wow |
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pmichaud |
jnthn++ # debugger was a very nice surprise this conference |
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moritz |
now somebody please integrate it in star |
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pmichaud |
oh, I'll do that. |
| 19:59 |
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moritz |
(probably needs a bit more twiddling than the average module, 'cause of le Makefile) |
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pmichaud |
I'm planning to do the star release anyway, so I've got it on my tasklist. |
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pmichaud |
I will undoubtedly work on it some Friday |
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moritz |
note that I already did the fix for twiddling the shebang lines of ufo and panda |
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dalek |
roast: 12f1b31 | moritz++ | S (2 files): |
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dalek |
roast: basic tests for sigilless params |
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dalek |
roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/12f1b31878 |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: We could look at in on Thursday |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: yes, we can do that if you want; I'm suspecting that integrating the debugger into star isn't too difficult though. We might want to focus on other things, perhaps. |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: well, I thinking we can probably knock it out in like 10 minutes ;) |
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pmichaud |
although I do need to get a debugger runthrough so I can come up with a screencast script |
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pmichaud |
or storyboard |
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pmichaud |
so perhaps that would be good as well. |
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jnthn |
pmichaud: I'm pondering doing a blog post about it. |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: yes, you should do that (if you do not, then I will :-). |
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jnthn |
Though I agree a screencast would be cooler at showing it off. |
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pmichaud |
we can always have both |
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jnthn |
Oh, sure :) |
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pmichaud |
hearing your description of the debugger is equally valuable. |
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moritz |
is the tree format after QAST still called POST, or is it now PIRT? |
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jnthn |
PIRT |
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jnthn |
When I get done with all this transition, I'm gonna go on a big search/replace. |
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jnthn |
tbh though, I don't mind too much what we call it :) |
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jnthn |
hm, wat, hotel wifi seems to have stopped doing DNS resolution for me |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: I had that issue to for a while. Rebooting eventually resolved (pardon the pun) the problem for me :) |
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pmichaud |
oh, wait |
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pmichaud |
looks like dns just failed for me too |
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pmichaud |
like, just now |
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jnthn |
tssk |
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pmichaud |
jnthn: what did you do to the dns?!? arggggggh :-P |
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jnthn |
Tried to visit github :P |
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moritz |
use 8.8.8.8 as DNS server |
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moritz |
that's the only one where I can remember the IP :-) |
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pmichaud |
I'm afk for a bit |
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jnthn |
ooh, it works again now Pm has gone afk |
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jnthn |
And me blamed me! :-P |
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* masak |
.oO( and now pm is absent, we'll probably get torrential rainfall ) |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: b1d83db | kboga++ | src/core/Str.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: adds native str ops and return type annotations |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/b1d83dbd8a |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 9162d07 | moritz++ | src/core/Str.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Merge branch 'str-ops-ret-annotations' of https://github.com/kboga/rakudo into nom |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Conflicts: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: src/core/Str.pm |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/9162d0726c |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: e0ffd92 | moritz++ | src/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: supply name to X::Bind::NativeType, jnthn++ |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e0ffd92474 |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: e9b4461 | moritz++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: Merge branch 'nom' of git://github.com/rakudo/rakudo into nom |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e9b4461aec |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 555a3eb | moritz++ | docs/architecture.svg: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: [docs] update architecture image a bit. |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: probably needs a complete redo eventually |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/555a3eba88 |
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sirrobert |
I have a compile error that says just "No object at index 85". How can I track that down? |
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dalek |
specs: 1a55450 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/Exception.pod: |
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dalek |
specs: [S32::Exception] X::Bind::NativeType now reports name of the variable |
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dalek |
specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/1a55450ccc |
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sirrobert |
there's no other context, except a .pir file (that doesn't get generated) |
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moritz |
sirrobert: that's usually related to precompiled modules in some way |
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moritz |
sirrobert: how old or new is your rakudo? |
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sirrobert |
most recent star |
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sirrobert |
but I was fiddling around with panda earlier =) Let me take a look |
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moritz |
rakudo doesn't like it when you precompile a module that has dependencies that aren't precompiled (or the precompiled version isn't loaded) |
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moritz |
most recent rakudo from git gives a better error message |
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sirrobert |
ok, I'll grab that one |
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sirrobert |
should I remove the existing rakudo ? |
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sirrobert |
completely, I mean -- and all installed modules and scripts |
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moritz |
yes, the whole install dir |
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sirrobert |
ok, thanks |
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doc: d1af529 | moritz++ | lib/X/Bind/NativeType.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Bind::NativeType |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/d1af52967e |
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doc: 9fed358 | moritz++ | lib/X/Attribute/Package.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Attribute::Package |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/9fed35881e |
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moritz |
nr: class A { sub f() { has $.x } } |
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niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Attribute $!x declared outside of any class at /tmp/VJ4tWtSbRG line 1:�------> class A { sub f() { has $.x �} }��Potential difficulties:� &f is declared but not used at /tmp/VJ4tWtSbRG line 1:�------> [3… |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 009325: ( no output ) |
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sirrobert |
ooh |
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moritz |
r: class A { sub f() { has $.x } }; say A.new(x => 3).x |
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p6eval |
rakudo 009325: OUTPUT«3» |
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moritz |
std: class A { sub f() { has $.x } } |
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std 235f71b: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 42m» |
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moritz |
just ~35 error classes left to document |
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moritz |
"just" |
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sirrobert |
heh |
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* moritz |
should really automate some parts of it |
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masak |
$ ./perl6 -e 'macro four { my $q = quasi { 2 }; $q = quasi { 1 + {{{say $q.WHICH; $q}}} } for 1..2; $q }; say four'AST|-686369491820049320 |
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masak |
AST|-686369491821388980 |
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masak |
3 |
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masak |
oops. ww. |
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masak |
(but still a nice illustration of what I do and don't have working locally) :) |
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diakopter |
:) |
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* masak |
.oO( good thing it wasn't anything sekkrit! ) |
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sirrobert |
trying to install Class::Util (the module I published this morning) gets this: resolve stage failed for Class::Utils: Project Class::Utils not found in the ecosystem |
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sirrobert |
Is there an additional step I overlooked? |
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moritz |
maybe your local projects list is out of date? |
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sirrobert |
I just reinstalled everything (5 minutes ago) |
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sirrobert |
where is the list, so I can check? |
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moritz |
$ panda update |
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moritz |
Segmentation fault |
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moritz |
oops. |
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sirrobert |
heh |
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sirrobert |
thanks, that seems to have fixed it |
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moritz |
it seems you've spelled it Class::Util*s* |
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sirrobert |
yeah, that was an interesting oversight =) |
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sirrobert |
I guess I could change it now before it gets into usage |
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sirrobert |
or just leave it and that's what it is =) |
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masak |
the fact that it's List::Util but then List::MoreUtils seems to indicate that the 's' there is a good idea. |
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moritz |
huh? |
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* moritz |
doesn't comprehend the logic behind that statement |
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PerlJam |
List::StuffThatShouldAlreadyBeInTheLanguage |
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masak |
so does the fact that you thought your own module was called that :) |
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PerlJam |
If Class::Utils has more than one utility, perhaps the "s" is warranted. :) |
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PerlJam |
Currently it seemes to only have one "util" |
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sorear |
1. is it something which belongs in the setting? |
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sorear |
2. will it continue to make sense in the face of 6model changes? |
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masak |
moritz: the logic behind that statement being something like (1) consistency is nice, but (2) "List::MoreUtil" looks weird, and (3) if the namer of "List::Util" had anticipated (2) and valued (1) enough, then he might have named it "List::Utils". |
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masak |
'night, #perl6 |
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japhb |
o/ |
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jnthn |
Stepping through spectests is an awesome way to feel out places where the debugger user experience is LTA |
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japhb |
jnthn++ # A debugger has been in my top 3 list of Rakudo desires for like a year now, THANK YOU |
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jnthn |
japhb: Welcome. Enjoy it, ask for a commit bit if you find you want to patch it :) |
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japhb |
Will do. |
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jnthn |
'night o/ |
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japhb |
o/ |
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sergot |
good night o/ |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 682dbf4 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | lib/Panda/Fetcher.pm: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Track source-revision in Fetcher |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/682dbf4f57 |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 025c83b | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | lib/Panda/Fetcher.pm: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Try harder to detect git URLs in Fetcher |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/025c83bc46 |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: cb876f0 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | lib/Panda/Fetcher.pm: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Save source-type in metadata when Fetcher autodetects it |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/cb876f06a8 |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: e47946f | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | lib/Panda/Fetcher.pm: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Minor whitespace fix |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/e47946f0b2 |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 1c443a5 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bin/panda: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 'panda list' improvements: Add saved revision info for installed projects; rearrange columns for readability; only show extra columns when --verbose requested |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/1c443a5d5c |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 500690c | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bin/panda: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Clean up 'panda info' output and include saved info for installed projects |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/500690cf2b |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: 5ea91f8 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | TODO: |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: Remove TODO items for completed verbose-list branch |
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dalek |
panda/verbose-list: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/5ea91f8106 |
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dalek |
panda: 2ba908f | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | lib/Panda/Ecosystem.pm: |
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dalek |
panda: When installing, save a snapshot of that project's metainfo into the statefile |
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dalek |
panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/2ba908ff32 |
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dalek |
panda: d0553e2 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bin/panda: |
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dalek |
panda: Display saved metainfo for installed projects when doing 'panda list' |
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japhb |
phenny, tell tadzik, I just pushed a lot of stuff to panda; I suggest pulling and ./reboostrap.pl, and then enjoy my last few days of hacking. :-) |
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phenny |
japhb: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around. |
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japhb |
phenny, tell tadzik, if you want to use the saved meta features on panda *itself* and its local-bootstrap, you should ./reboostrap.pl *twice*, because only after the first bootstrap will panda be saving all that info. |
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phenny |
japhb: I'll pass that on when tadzik is around. |
