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p5p6 vs p6p5 # you've already got blogs and tweets getting this wrong. i urge you to immediately consider changing the name, letting everyone know the new name, and editing existing blogs asap. |
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raiph |
strawman suggestion: 5u6 |
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raiph: what aspects of "5u6" do you find make it better than "p6p5"? |
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[Coke] |
or we could do it both ways. <shrug> |
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[Coke] |
(we could put a tweetfeed on perl6.org somewhere, also.) |
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pmichaud |
yes, I figure doing it both ways works out fine. I will say that the choice |
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pmichaud |
oops |
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pmichaud |
I will say that the choice of "#p5p6" versus "#p6p5" was discussed and a consensus reached before choosing one. I suspect mdk just got it backwards (as I do sometimes), which makes me feel like we should just adopt both forms :) |
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after all, tmtowtdi :) |
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pmichaud |
also, on another topic, the big "5" on the yapceu t-shirts appeared on *all* of the conference t-shirts, not just the conference staff yellow ones. :) |
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[Coke] |
if I ever get the pieces together for the twitefeed in here, I'll do it both ways. |
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pmichaud |
(it had been suggested that only the conference staff tees had 5's on them) |
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[Coke] |
looks like we'll have rakudo on vms soon. rurban++ |
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pmichaud |
I'll have the p6-versions of the t-shirts up on cafepress soon; I wanted to first check with some tpf officials about the onion on the shirt |
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[Coke] |
there may be issues, aye. |
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pmichaud |
well, apparently there aren't. :-) |
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[Coke] |
the raptor is probably safer. |
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[Coke] |
ah. ok. |
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pmichaud |
at least for this particular design, they didn't have any issue with it |
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pmichaud |
(indeed, most of them asked where they could get one :) |
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[Coke] |
the amount of overage you're charging on the shirts might impact the decision. |
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colomon |
pmichaud++ |
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[Coke] |
but IANA... somtehing. |
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pmichaud |
I'm thinking I won't do any overage. |
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pmichaud |
I just like the shirt and like to see people wearing it :) |
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pmichaud |
also, iirc the raptor is intended to indicate p5, which would be a little incongruous on a p6-themed shirt :) |
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pmichaud |
but I could see one replacing the beer mug with a raptor and having an overprinted 5+6 on the reverse :) |
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that might be a fun design to put together as well |
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raiph |
pmichaud: the 5s only on supervisors tees comment came from me; i misinterpreted what i read and didn |
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raiph |
pmichaud: 5s only on supervisors tees comment was me. i misinterpreted the photo caption. /o\ |
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raiph |
p5p6/p6p5 pros |
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raiph |
1. that's what was agreed |
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2. that's what is now published |
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3. that's what is already set up |
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4. simple (especially if u allow both versions) |
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5. sorta puts emphasis on p6 (p6p5) |
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raiph |
6. logical order (p5p6) |
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cons |
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raiph |
1. IF (a big if) this sticks as something associated with Perl reunification, it'll naturally end up branding that process, and (the following bit is subjective, very obviously) p5p6 doesn't appeal to me |
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2. If you don't double up with both p6p5 and p5p6, well, confusion will ensue, and the last thing Perl 6 needs to be associated with is confusion about p5 versus p6 |
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raiph |
(or if not confusion, at least an easy target for ridicule) |
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raiph |
(sorry about my language being so assertive; what i mean is that confusion may ensue; may be an easy target etc.) |
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3. again, if you don't double up, p6p5 sends a not-so-subtle metamessage that it's really about p6, first and foremost. (of course, that might be exactly what you intended) |
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4. if you do double up, well, that also seems off to me -- "why didn't you pick a better name?" |
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raiph |
pros of the strawman suggestion of 5u6 |
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1. IF the p6p5 effort becomes known about in the broader Perl community, having a good name would matter, and i think a name like 5u6 would be better |
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raiph |
2. I can see Camelia's brother with a 5 on his right wing instead of the P (and leaning to his right and so on). so 5u6 or 5*6 or somesuch would work nicely. i realize this might horrify Larry -- if so, forget I said anything about Camelia ;) |
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3. the u in 5u6 can stand for something. i was thinking union (between p5 + p6), unique (what's unique about both p5 + p6), unicode (an important Perl strength), universal (the Perls are for general purpose programming). |
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raiph |
(getting out there, i imagine Camelia's brother's name is CamelIB, a philosophical camel that's a butterfly in another dimension...) |
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4. thinking tweets, i thought it might be better to do #perl #5u6 than #p6p5 #p5p6 |
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raiph |
out of pros/cons mode. could be 5x6, 5X6, 5n6, 5*6, 5&6, 5+6, etc. |
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raiph |
the tweet issue is actually what first had me thinking #p6p5 was a problem. first, it would be an ugly hack to say both (#p6p5 #p5p6). second, u get a fundamentally different effect if u tweet #perl #5u6 or whatever than any of #p6p5, #p5p6, #p6p5 #p5p6 |
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conversely, if you are consciously choosing to fly under the radar, #p6p5 is a good choice |
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raiph: do you think use of the hashtag will go beyond a few uses? |
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not sure. do u know if it was intended mostly just for those who met? |
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diakopter: i think, if the hashtag on twitter remains #p6p5, it will get much less twitter exposure than if it's #perl #5u6 or somesuch |
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diakopter |
no; I don't know |
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diakopter |
I think whichever tag a major blog post/announcement uses will get exposure as it's retweeted, so it doesn't matter much which one is chosen. I think it'll be great when such a mass-retweeting does occur. MOARPERLPLZ |
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raiph |
diakopter: agreed about rooting for mass exposure for a renewed 5+6 push |
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rakudo/nom: 2193a86 | moritz++ | src/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: pass attribute name to X::Attribute::{No,}Package |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/2193a86dde |
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dalek |
doc: e843601 | moritz++ | lib/X/Attribute/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
doc: X::Attribute::NoPackage, fiddle with X::Attribute::Package |
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doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/e843601c60 |
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nr: class A { my method x() { } }; |
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rakudo 555a3e, niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: ( no output ) |
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moritz |
nr: class A { my method x() { } }; A.x |
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rakudo 555a3e, niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: ( no output ) |
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is the 'my' simply ignored? |
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doc: 4275b25 | moritz++ | lib/X/A (3 files): |
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dalek |
doc: document three more error classes |
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doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/4275b253ae |
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current draft of my p6doc talk: http://pmichaud.com/2012/pres/yapceu-p6doc |
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comments welcomed |
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I'm afk for a bit. |
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pmichaud: s:g/'Pod::Parser'/Pod::To/ |
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moritz |
(slide 31) |
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moritz |
otherwise very nice, pmichaud++ |
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good morning, #perl6 |
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moritz |
\o masak |
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pmichaud++ # nice slides; looking forward to the talk |
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hoelzro |
o/ |
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/o |
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commute & |
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pmichaud++ # i'm on slide. |
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felher |
Ah, and by the way, the talk looks nice too ;) |
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felher |
*'im on one slide |
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doc: 9b99b23 | moritz++ | lib/X/TypeCheck (4 files): |
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dalek |
doc: document TypeCheck error classes |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/9b99b23b4b |
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good morning all you happy perl6 people |
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oh hai |
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phenny |
tadzik: 21 Aug 23:31Z <japhb> tell tadzik I just pushed a lot of stuff to panda; I suggest pulling and ./reboostrap.pl, and then enjoy my last few days of hacking. :-) |
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tadzik: 21 Aug 23:33Z <japhb> tell tadzik if you want to use the saved meta features on panda *itself* and its local-bootstrap, you should ./reboostrap.pl *twice*, because only after the first bootstrap will panda be saving all that info. |
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japhb: okay, I'll take a look when I get to some Place of Power :) |
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japhb: argh, bootstrap broken on windows |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: c5f8b87 | moritz++ | src/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: include placeholder name in X::Signature::Placeholder |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/c5f8b874fe |
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flexibeast |
Hey all. i've been searching through various synopses / documentation, and i can't seem to find what e.g. '*$x' means? ('$*x' i get, it's the case of the sigils reversed i'm not understanding.) |
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moritz |
flexibeast: *$x in which context? |
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TimToady |
that only works in a signature |
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moritz |
flexibeast: in a signature? |
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TimToady |
it means pull one variadic arg from the slurpy list |
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moritz |
TimToady: might be part of a regex too |
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flexibeast |
Yes, in sigs (from memory). |
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dalek |
doc: 79c17a1 | moritz++ | lib/X/ (4 files): |
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dalek |
doc: document more error types |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/79c17a1bb1 |
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flexibeast |
TimToady: Ah okay, thanks. :-) |
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is sitting in masak++'s macros talk |
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moritz |
http://doc.perl6.org/type/Signature might be of interest |
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moritz |
documenting all those error classes would be much faster if I didn't decide that about a third of them could be improved in the process |
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as long as it's done by Christmas... |
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moritz: Groovy, thanks. :-) |
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gah. I've been indoctrinated |
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nwc10 |
I can't see $foo++; without thinking "no, pre-increment is better" |
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moritz |
meh, why does 'git status' not automatically launch a pager, when all other git commands do? |
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shachaf |
git config --global pager.status true |
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hoelzro |
why do some people prefer pre-increment? |
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moritz |
easier to understand, faster |
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shachaf |
In C++ there are cases where it's slightly more efficient. |
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P5 optimizes $foo++ to ++$foo when the value is not used |
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should we allow that in P6 too? |
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if the value is not used, there is not difference |
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*no |
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but if it can't know (ie return value of subroutine) it can't, I thought? :-) |
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nwc10 |
er s/:-)// |
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nwc10 |
naughty fingers |
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TimToady: only for the built-in prefix:<++> and postfix:<++> |
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nwc10: the presumption is that if you put a value at the end of a sub, you want to return it |
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TimToady |
in that case the user would need to say 'sink $x++' or some such |
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or we probably just catch --> Sink in the declaration |
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moritz |
.oO( I ordered a kitchen but it just returns a Sink ) |
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doc: d57507b | moritz++ | lib/X/Syntax/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
doc: two more error classes |
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doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/d57507bb40 |
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I can add a type constraint based on a role to a subroutine signature, right? |
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ex. sub foo($value does Role) { ... } |
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hoelzro: sub foo(Role $value) { } |
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moritz |
just like any other type constraints |
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I see |
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thanks |
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(whoever's been updating doc.perl6.org since last I looked)++ |
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moritz |
what we really need is some kind of design for it |
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moritz |
and a bit of navigation etc. |
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hoelzro |
in time =) |
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hoelzro |
having the docs is nice |
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tadzik |
seen japhb |
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aloha |
japhb was last seen in #perl6 9 hours 47 mins ago saying "phenny, tell tadzik, if you want to use the saved meta features on panda *itself* and its local-bootstrap, you should ./reboostrap.pl *twice*, because only after the first bootstrap will panda be saving all that info.". |
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jnthn |
ohhai o/ |
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moritz |
ohaio, jnthn |
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hoelzro |
o/ jnthn |
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hoelzro |
ohio! |
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hoelzro |
so Parameter.ACCEPTS checks object identity? |
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hoelzro |
I would kind of expect it to check the parameter's type constraint against the given value |
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hoelzro |
oh, I needed to scroll further down =P |
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moritz |
note that it's not that easy |
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moritz |
sub f($x, $y where { $_ > $x * 2 } ) { } |
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moritz |
you can't check the second parameter in isolation |
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moritz |
you can only check whole signatures, in general |
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smash |
masak++ # macros talk |
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TimToady |
r: sub f($x, $y where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1 2 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat /tmp/bH_nDZBA10:1» |
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TimToady |
n: sub f($x, $y where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1 2 |
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niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Two terms in a row at /tmp/0tRui2r81s line 1:�------> where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1 �2��Parse failed��» |
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TimToady |
n: sub f($x, $y where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1, 2 # duh |
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niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Constraint type check failed for parameter '$y' in 'f' at /tmp/qq8zGjdMAd line 0 (f @ 1)  at /tmp/qq8zGjdMAd line 1 (mainline @ 4)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4133 (ANON @ 3)  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.s… |
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hoelzro |
moritz: interesting point |
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TimToady |
n: sub f($x, $y where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1, 3 |
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p6eval |
niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«1 3» |
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TimToady |
r: sub f($x, $y where $y > $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1, 3 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«1 3» |
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TimToady |
don't really need another closure there |
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TimToady |
removing an unnecessary layer of closure might be a useful optimization |
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moritz |
I just don't use the where-clauses often enough to be sure about the precedence levels and what works |
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TimToady |
you can't use anything comma or looser, since comma means next parameter |
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TimToady |
other than that, it's just a thunk |
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TimToady |
same deal with default value |
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TimToady |
r: sub f($x, $y = 1 + $x * 2) { say "$x $y" }; f 1 |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«1 3» |
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TimToady |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Ra[…]8device%29#Perl_6 |
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TimToady |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Tr[…]_algorithm#Perl_6 |
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hoelzro |
r: sub foo(Str $value) {} say &foo.signature.params[0] ~~ 'hello' |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Confusedat /tmp/kdcSH9OW6g:1» |
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hoelzro |
confused? how is that confusing? |
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hoelzro |
=( |
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tadzik |
semicolon |
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tadzik |
r: sub foo(Str $value) {}; say &foo.signature.params[0] ~~ 'hello' |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«False» |
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tadzik |
r: sub foo(Str $value) {}; say 'hello' ~~ &foo.signature.params[0] |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«False» |
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hoelzro |
tadzik: ah, thanks |
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hoelzro |
anyway... |
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arnsholt |
"Confused" is perhaps a LTA error message there |
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tadzik |
that's correct |
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hoelzro |
does that look right? |
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tadzik |
r: sub foo(Str $value) {}; say &foo.signature.params[0].WHAT |
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p6eval |
rakudo c5f8b8: OUTPUT«Parameter()» |
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tadzik |
that's not a string :) |
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arnsholt |
You want params[0].type |
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hoelzro |
ah ha |
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TimToady |
n: sub foo(Str $value) {} say &foo.signature.params[0] ~~ 'hello' |
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niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Strange text after block (missing comma, semicolon, comment marker?) at /tmp/zGvEELowI_ line 1:�------> sub foo(Str $value) {}� say &foo.signature.params[0] ~~ 'hello'�Other potential difficulties:� $valu… |
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TimToady |
niecza is more informative on that subject |
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moritz |
aye, rakudo needs to adopt STD's whole error tracking thing |
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arnsholt |
Indeed. Due to its grammar being more STD-like, I assume |
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TimToady |
nodnod |
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TimToady |
nodnodnod even |
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dalek |
doc: 7c9ae89 | moritz++ | lib/Parameter.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: [Parameter] explain how to obtain an Parameter object; link to Signature |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/7c9ae895f2 |
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pmichaud |
fixing up Rakudo's grammar for better error handling is on my hit list |
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moritz |
your hit list is just long :-) |
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moritz |
as is mine |
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jnthn |
as is mine |
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moritz |
and, like, everybody elses |
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jnthn |
Debugger is somewhat knocked off mine now though :) |
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http://www.haskell.org/haskell[…]torials-chart.png |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 1054d13 | moritz++ | src/core/ (2 files): |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: awesomify error message for X::Role::Initialization |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/1054d13cc0 |
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dalek |
doc: 19996f3 | moritz++ | lib/X/Role/Initialization.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Role::Iinitialization |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/19996f3f22 |
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snarkyboojum |
hi guys - is there a suitable switch to take advantage of compiling Perl 6 on a machine with many cores? --jobs rings a faint bell... |
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snarkyboojum |
compiling Rakudo rather :) |
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TimToady |
make -j 4 |
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TimToady |
or whatever |
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snarkyboojum |
TimToady: cheers :) will give it a whirl |
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TimToady |
I think there's some way to run spectests in parallel too |
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snarkyboojum |
I should search back through the irc logs eh :) this will get me started though |
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colomon |
TEST_JOBS=4 works to make the spectest run in parallel, at least in niecza. |
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snarkyboojum |
noice - should try that.. I'm testing a 'make' of rakudo on a quite beastly beast - trying to optimise - finishes in about 3m15s |
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TimToady |
all systems are go for lunch & |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: stupid question - but you're talking about an env var right? |
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colomon |
snarkyboojum: yes |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: will give it a go - output of time make spectest forthcoming :) |
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colomon |
on OS X, the command line I use is just TEST_JOBS=4 make spectest |
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colomon |
that temporarily sets the env var and runs make spectest. |
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snarkyboojum |
nice… I've just manually exported it |
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snarkyboojum |
seems to be going fast! |
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apart from IO-Socket-INET.t :S |
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colomon: finishes spectest in about 1m40s :) |
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colomon: tho it fails some tests |
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colomon |
woof, that's fast! |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: what are some compute intensive perl 6 benchmarky type things? there was a fractal generator from memory? |
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colomon |
snarkyboojum: yes, |
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colomon |
https://github.com/colomon/mandelbrot |
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colomon: ta |
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moritz |
note that rakudo's README documents the TEST_JOBS thingy |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: what would be a good compute stress test with mandlebot.pl? |
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snarkyboojum |
moritz: thanks - I'm a lazy bum :) |
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colomon |
snarkyboojum: just say something like perl6 mandelbrot-color.pl 1001 |
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snarkyboojum |
moritz: I can't find TEST_JOBS in the rakudo README though |
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moritz |
wooops |
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snarkyboojum |
oh document(s) |
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colomon |
er, perl6 mandelbrot-color.pl 1001 >fractal.ppm |
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colomon |
if that goes too fast, increase the number. :) |
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colomon: will this just use a single cpu? |
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colomon |
snarkyboojum: yes |
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colomon: bugger :) |
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colomon |
the niecza gtk-mandelbrot version is in parallel |
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colomon |
but rakudo doesn't have parallel processing yet, so far as I know |
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colomon: ok.. might get mono installed and niecza going |
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colomon |
how many cores do you have? |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: we need a gpu version :P |
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colomon: 16 hyperthreaded cores |
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colomon: with 60+GB RAM |
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colomon |
!!!!!! |
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* colomon |
wonders if he could justify buying one of those for work.... |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: but I don't see any performance increase between 16 and 32 test jobs.. so it seems spectest doesn't use HT |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: costs me $2.50/hr ;) |
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moritz |
snarkyboojum: it just uses whatever the OS uses for processes |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: or not (as this is "testing" for work :)) |
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moritz: makes sense |
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colomon |
.... $20 for a working day. $100 a month....that's actually not that insane. It's a server somewhere? |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ - a 'Cluster Compute Eight Extra Large Instance' instance on AWS :D |
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colomon: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2670 |
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colomon |
for what I'd need it for on work, I think they'd kill me on file storage costs. |
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colomon |
gtk-mandelbrot probably not suitable, then, as it's got an actual GUI |
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colomon: run it on a windows box then :) |
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colomon: file storage costs? |
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colomon |
I'd be testing my software on a lot of large files. 18 gigs worth. |
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colomon |
as I recall, amazon's file storage is a bit pricey. and uploading them from scratch each time would kill the performance improvements of using the big box. |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: ouch - could cost $1.80 for block storage |
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colomon |
that's per day or something, no? |
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snarkyboojum |
colomon: per month |
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colomon |
really? hmm..... |
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moritz |
if you have a huge blob of seldom-changing data, you could use the new "glacier" thing |
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moritz: indeed - 1c/GB/month :P |
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moritz |
r: 1.Str::split('foo') |
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rakudo 1054d1: OUTPUT«Cannot dispatch to method split on Str because it is not inherited or done by Int in method dispatch:<::> at src/gen/CORE.setting:830 in block at /tmp/dBdzCoABND:1» |
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dalek |
doc: 2dc3ff6 | moritz++ | lib/X/Method/InvalidQualifier.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: X::Method::InvalidQualifier |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/2dc3ff629c |
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dalek |
doc: 92a6deb | moritz++ | lib/X/Syntax/Number/RadixOutOfRange.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: X::Syntax::Number::RadixOutOfRange |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/92a6deb936 |
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dalek |
doc: ff5a9cc | moritz++ | lib/X/Export/NameClash.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Export::NameClash |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/ff5a9cc6cc |
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dalek |
doc: 14f9f8e | moritz++ | lib/X/Sequence/Deduction.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: document X::Sequence::Deduction |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/14f9f8e464 |
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moritz |
r: class A { }; class B does A { } |
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rakudo 1054d1: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===B cannot compose A because it is not composableat /tmp/tCDkDOoTOE:1» |
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lumi_ |
moritz: Which 'it' is that? |
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moritz |
the last mentioned |
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moritz |
lumi_: if you can come up with a clearer (but non-repetitive) error message, I can easily change it |
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lumi_ |
A is not composable, so B cannot compose it # perhaps? |
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lumi_ |
moritz: Or is "X because Y" mandatory? |
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moritz |
no, not mandatory |
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b_jonas |
Should S02 have a provision that version control conflict markers like <<<<<<< are a token that causes a syntax error with an approperiate message? |
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b_jonas |
Or would people want to write those for <<...>> strings/indexes? |
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moritz |
b_jonas: STD.pm6 recognizes it, and it's as much standard for Perl 6 as S02 is |
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b_jonas |
I see. |
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b_jonas: it won't hurt to mention it, but the exact semantics are more accurately described in STD.pm6 anyway |
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b_jonas |
The exact semantics for what diagnosis is produced probably does not need to be in S02, but S02 at least needs to mention that it's invalid or else people could insist it's a valid <<...>> literal |
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moritz |
+1 |
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moritz |
n: say <<< 1 >>> |
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niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Bogus term at /tmp/eHwsYd0IMZ line 1 (EOF):�------> say <<< 1 >>>�<EOL>��Parse failed��» |
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moritz |
n: say << 1 >> |
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p6eval |
niecza v19-31-g94c69fe: OUTPUT«1» |
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colomon |
std: say <<< 1 >>> |
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std 235f71b: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Bogus term at /tmp/gucLpAH6sX line 1 (EOF):�------> say <<< 1 >>>�<EOL>�Parse failed�FAILED 00:00 42m�» |
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colomon |
std: say <<<<<<<<<<< 1 >>>>>>>>>>>> |
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std 235f71b: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Unsupported use of >> to do right shift; in Perl 6 please use +> or ~> at /tmp/Vib1VSCbEP line 1:�------> say <<<<<<<<<<< 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>�<EOL>�Bogus term at /tmp/Vib1VSCbEP line 1 (EOF):�------> say <<<<<<<<<<< 1… |
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moritz |
$ ./perl6 -e 'class A { }; class B does A { }' |
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moritz |
===SORRY!=== |
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moritz |
A is not composable, so B cannot compose it |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: 7b068ea | moritz++ | src/core/Exception.pm: |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: improve error message for X::Composition::NotComposable, lumi_++ |
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dalek |
rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/7b068ea36a |
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moritz |
r: say Date.today |
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p6eval |
rakudo 1054d1: OUTPUT«2012-08-22» |
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diakopter |
"non composable cannot be composed" |
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dalek |
specs: 5e47a16 | moritz++ | S32-setting-library/Exception.pod: |
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dalek |
specs: [S32::Exception] improve an error message, lumi++ |
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specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/5e47a16a17 |
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perl6: "a[\x2028]b".perl.print |
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perl6: Blob.new(1, 2, 3).perl.print |
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GlitchMr |
I guess that Blob isn't supported yet |
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have fun guessing |
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hm. There's no Perl.pm, but could we maybe name tomorrows' release "Perl" after the town of PRS? |
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I wouldn't object |
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though you could still call it Frankfurt :-) |
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or Frankfurt.pm, it wasn't taken yet :) |
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huh, seems that I released Riga.pm too :) |
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you know what would be cool? a Perl 6 grammar -> Vim syntax file converter |
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ponders |
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tadzik |
oh cool. Well volunteered :) |
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* hoelzro |
puts it on the list |
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tadzik, I broke bootstrap on windows? How the heck did I do that? |
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japhb: I donno |
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I'll forward an email to ya |
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japhb |
I didn't think any transform I did would have affected that. :-/ |
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My apologies, I was trying to be very careful about that. :-( |
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yes, that's why I prefer not to touch bootstrap.pl. Never :) |
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sur, that's ok |
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do you have a windows machine to test that on? |
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Nope. |
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hm, ok |
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I'll ask Gabor if he can bisect it |
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Is jnthn around? He's the only one I know that regularly uses Windows to develop. |
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japhb |
Ah, that's two, good. |
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(I also did smaller commits than I usually do, just in case I accidentally caused a problem of *any* kind, so it would be easier to bisect and fix the bad commit.) |
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tadzik |
good |
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Well, on the flip side, did you get a chance to play with the changes on a working system? |
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has not backlogged yet this morning, just saw your highlight ... |
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tadzik |
I rebootstraped a few times, I should have all the changes on |
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arnsholt |
Is FROGGS on GitHub someone here? |
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perl6: @("\x80\x40\xFF\x9F".encode('ISO-8859-1')).Str.print |
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rakudo 7b068e: OUTPUT«128 64 255 159» |
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japhb: I'm still not sure why do we want URLs in 'list' |
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tadzik |
so locally installed modules look different, yeah, but the whole URL just for that? |
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But why I complicate stuff when I have .ords |
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A couple reasons (for me): local installs, installing one of a few different forks of a project, etc. |
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tadzik |
hm |
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tadzik, it's certainly not critical to me any more, since I updated 'info' to give both the project list and installed info as well. |
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tadzik |
ok cool |
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japhb |
Feel free to nuke it out of 'panda list --verbose' |
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talk & |
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enjoy! |
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is jealous of all the conference attendees. :-) |
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bye all |
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japhb: me too |
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japhb: did you see my comment on roles and inheritance in the type graphs? |
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wrt the table of p6 operators, there are 3 deletions (prefix:<=>, @@, p5=>), 5 additions (%%, Zop, Sop, ...^, set/bag operators), and 3 changed spellings (true => so, slice => lol, also => S&) |
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moritz, I have not seen that comment yet. Link? |
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[Coke] |
LWP::Simple doesn't pass its tests, trying to install with recent panda, rakudo. |
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tadzik |
yes |
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tadzik |
it's brokens |
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tadzik |
just when I wanted to finish MuEvent::HTTP :) |
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moritz |
japhb: some roles like X::Comp inherit from a class (Exception) |
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moritz |
japhb: now both that role *and* a role that does it (X::Syntax) get arrows the parent class (Exception) |
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moritz |
and a class that does the role gets another arrow |
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for example http://doc.perl6.org/images/ty[…]aph-X::Syntax.svg X::Syntax confused |
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japhb |
Ah yes, known bug that I kept forgetting to address. |
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moritz |
ok |
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I'll open a ticket if you don't fix it soon :-) |
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It's a result of the "roles apply their isa list to the class that composes them" |
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moritz, probably not a bad idea to open the ticket. I'm a bit scattered this week, and I don't want to forget it again. |
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moritz |
ok, will do |
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I guess I need to keep track of which isa relationships were explicit, and which came in from roles. |
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japhb |
Makes me wonder how the Metamodel does this correctly. ;-) |
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japhb |
Thanks for entering the ticket. |
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[Coke] |
arglebargle. I tried again to get panda working inside an installed rakudo, but it's a PITA. I must be doing it wrong. |
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[Coke] |
I moved panda into the installed rakudo, and updated its shebang. |
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japhb |
[Coke], I have to run now but will be back in a bit. If you post a script of your problem, I can try taking a look at it when I'm back. |
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japhb: https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/4 the Metamodel simply doesn't have roles that inherit from classes |
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[Coke] |
it claims to install things, but not to the installed rakudo. |
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japhb |
moritz, yes it does. |
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japhb |
Er, and you pointed out the case I was thinking of in the issue. ;-) |
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[Coke] |
what do I need to do set my env to in order to use the installed modules? |
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japhb |
PERL6LIB |
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japhb |
(Assuming they didn't just install into ~/.perl6/ |
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japhb |
Anyway, really AFK |
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& |
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[Coke] |
they DID install into ~/.perl6 |
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PERL6LIB=/home/coke/.perl6/lib perl6 ... use JSON::RPC - not found. |
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[Coke] |
ARG. JSON::RPC is not a class, it's a ... package? |
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so, yes, it all works fine, and my test is flawed. bother. |
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[Coke] |
bbkr: how can I find out more details if a client request results in a transport error? |
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bbkr: (on JSON::RPC::Client) |
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[Coke] |
phenny: tell cosimo that I'm blocking on Issue #15 for LWP::Simple. |
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[Coke]: I'll pass that on when cosimo is around. |
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[Coke] |
phenny: ask bbkr how can I find out more details if a client request results in a transport error using JSON::RPC::Client |
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[Coke]: I'll pass that on when bbkr is around. |
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bbkr |
[Coke]: there is no proper HTTP transport layer, the only message you get is http reposnse line (in exception object under .data attribute) |
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phenny |
bbkr: 15:32Z <[Coke]> ask bbkr how can I find out more details if a client request results in a transport error using JSON::RPC::Client |
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[Coke] |
star: use JSON::RPC::Client |
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p6eval |
star 2012.07: ( no output ) |
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star: use JSON::RPC::Client; my $c = JSON::RPC::Client.new(url => "http://app.getresponse.com/error404.html"); $c.foo(); # this page returns 303 redirect |
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star 2012.07: OUTPUT«Transport error (-32300): "HTTP response is - 301 Moved"» |
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bbkr |
301* |
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[Coke] |
so is there any way to get more info ther? |
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bbkr |
what info do you need? |
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[Coke] |
moved where? |
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GlitchMr |
Disconnections are getting silly |
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GlitchMr |
Just wondering, what was my quit message |
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bbkr |
[Coke]: you can modify this line https://github.com/bbkr/jsonrp[…]RPC/Client.pm#L87 to return whole response in exception.data attribute |
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bbkr |
[Coke]: we still don't have HTTP::Request/Response classes to handle redirects or chunked transfers. the very basic communication added in JSON::RPC::Client does not handle many cases :( |
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[Coke]: which URL you try to connect to? local perl-perl communication or something external? |
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i have a question about new and BUILD. reading S12, it's not clear to me if the following should work or not: |
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thou |
nr: class Foo { has $.foo; }; my $f = Foo.new(:oops<should this fail or warn?>); $f.perl.say; |
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thou |
"All classes inherit a default new constructor from Mu. It expects all arguments to be named parameters initializing attributes of the same name." |
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moritz |
thou: excess named arguments are generally ignored in method calls |
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moritz |
so, no warning or failure expected here |
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thou |
ok. that must be in S06 |
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for some reason i thought that should error unless there's a slurpy *%foo param |
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methods have an implicit *% at the end |
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ah |
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thou |
"Interface Consistency", S12. thanks, moritz! |
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rn: class Foo { has $.foo; method foo { return $.foo; } }; say "alive"; |
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sorear |
good * #perl6 |
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thou |
hi, sorear |
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good evening, #perl6 |
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sorear |
DrEeevil: sorry I haven't been available much. I'd like elaboration on the "dirty bootstrap" and "unsafe makefiles" |
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sorear |
I spent a good chunk of June trying to make the bootstrap not suck so much. Presumably you have something less ambitious in mind |
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I'm not sure, but "===" works like "is" (Python) for mutable types? |
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can't speak for Python but it is object equivalence |
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n: say [] === [] # two distinct arrays |
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=== tries to model distinguishability. internally 2 === 2 might be comparing different objects, but they aren't distinguishable because you can't modify one |
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n: my $x = 1+1; my $y=$x*1; say $x === $y |
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sorear |
n: my $x = 1+1; my $y=$x*1; $x does False; say ?$x, ?$y, $x === $y # might be a problem? |
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i'd like a code review: https://github.com/softmoth/ur[…]lative-references |
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thou: What's with all of the Mu assignments? |
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thou |
PerlJam: my $u = URI.new('a'); $u.parse('completely/new/URI'); # .parse() wipes out previous URI completely. |
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ah |
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thou |
that's how it was written already, i didn't change that code |
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i'm not a big fan of that interface, i guess i'd rather create a new URI. |
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phenny: tell bbkr it is something external. |
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phenny: help? |
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[Coke] |
I think the right answer here is to get LWP::Simple working, as I don't think this api that returns json is really using jsonrpc. |
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[Coke]: is that comment related to URI, or did i miss something due to the net split? |
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[Coke] |
thou: you missed a conversion from over an hour ago about JSON::RPC::Client |
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thou |
ah, ok |
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[Coke] |
aloha: seen ronaldxs? |
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aloha |
[Coke]: ronaldxs was last seen in 15574 days 17 hours ago . |
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[Coke] |
tadzik: ronaldxs has a fork of lwp simple that passes all tests. |
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[Coke] |
masak: if I "use LWP::Simple;\nuseJSON::Tiny;\n\nmy $ua = LWP::Simple.new\nmy $c..." I get a confused on line one, even though the error is a missing semicolon on line 4. |
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slowly gets his perl6fu together. |
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[Coke] |
Timbus: have you looked into integrating MuEvent into Net::IRC::Bot? |
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perl6-roast-data: 3a5e6c8 | coke++ | p (2 files): |
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dalek |
perl6-roast-data: today |
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dalek |
perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6-[…]commit/3a5e6c8b7e |
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dalek |
perl6-roast-data: abc4e97 | coke++ | / (4 files): |
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dalek |
perl6-roast-data: today |
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dalek |
perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6-[…]commit/abc4e97402 |
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looks like rakudo is down a few tests today, some oddness in S32-exceptions/misc.rakudo |
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(which IS odd, because it says it passed more tests than before.) |
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r: class A { }; class B does A { } |
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p6eval |
rakudo 7b068e: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===A is not composable, so B cannot compose itat /tmp/_S6oXr4LVr:1» |
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doc: 566a7a1 | moritz++ | lib/X/Composition/NotComposable.pod: |
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dalek |
doc: X::Composition::NotComposable |
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dalek |
doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/566a7a1ff4 |
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the yapc crew is conspicuously quiet |
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[Coke] |
mmm. |
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[Coke] |
I was just thinking that. |
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[Coke] |
probably the crappy network. |
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diakopter |
or something's afoot |
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[Coke] |
thank goodness they all have git so they don't need the net. ;) |
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or probably some informal post-conference meetup |
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moritz |
or they are just plain tired |
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[Coke], I've got a few minutes now, do you still need help with panda problems? (I still haven't backlogged at all today.) |
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many of the 6ers were in Perl before the YAPC, so they already had two intense days of conference behind them |
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japhb_: no, now I need MuEvent::run and Net::IRC::Bot::run to interact. ;) |
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heh |
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tadzik |
I'm here |
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tadzik |
but I may suddenly get asleep at a random moment :) |
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.u phenny |
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tadzik, I like that phrasing -- it's very evocative. ;-) |
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phenny: en pl "evocative"? |
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oh :) |
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diakopter: Sorry, no results for 'phenny'. |
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O_O |
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phenny is ... very lagged |
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:) |
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yeah but; it wasn't on the channel when I sent that |
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tadzik: "sugestywny" (en to pl, translate.google.com) |
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phenny: why, thanks you |
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is now back at "home" and wants to thank all people he met on the yapc for a wonderful time :) |
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s/on the/at the |
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How do I sign a method signature with a role? |
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sub myfunc (MyRole $foo) { ... } |
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diakopter |
with a flourish? |
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nope; with a faunish =) |
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ah, no special syntax; my original attempt was just awkwardly tried |
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sirrobert, heh, I was wondering what you were asking, because I was thinking "Looks right to me ..." :-) |
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based on some debugging output I'd written +MyRole =) |
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(there was some error that said something like, "Class+Role") |
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sirrobert, you can get Class+Role if you apply the role to a particular object (with e.g. runtime but or does), rather than an entire type (in e.g. your class declaration) |
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ahh, got it |
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sirrobert |
I was using "but", that must be why I got that |
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