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jnthn |
Good morning, #perl6 |
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phenny |
jnthn: 23 Sep 17:26Z <[Coke]> ask jnthn how one is supposed to invoke a named sub from QAST. QAST::Op.new( :op<call>, :name<invoke> ); complains that it cannot find a sub called "invoke" (There's one at program top level, and one in the actions class, since I don't know where it's looking) |
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jnthn |
phenny: ask [Coke] are you installing the sub anywhere? Like, to install it so it can be found lexically, then do a QAST::Op bind. Subs require explicit installation these days. |
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phenny |
jnthn: I'll pass that on when [Coke] is around. |
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jnthn |
phenny: ask [Coke] what kind of docs would be most useful with regard to QAST etc? I plan to do some more work in that area. |
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phenny |
jnthn: I'll pass that on when [Coke] is around. |
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diakopte1 |
jnthn! |
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sorear |
JNTHN! |
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sorear |
jnthn: how do you handle compile time installation? p6 sub foo { }; BEGIN foo |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: a sample mini language would probably be helpful. docs on ::Op would be helpful. "here are the ops you can use and the parameters they take" |
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phenny |
[Coke]: 00:23Z <jnthn> ask [Coke] are you installing the sub anywhere? Like, to install it so it can be found lexically, then do a QAST::Op bind. Subs require explicit installation these days. |
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phenny |
[Coke]: 00:30Z <jnthn> ask [Coke] what kind of docs would be most useful with regard to QAST etc? I plan to do some more work in that area. |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: how does one install a sub?? |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: also, welcome back. |
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sorear |
it sounds to me like jnthn is saying to generate code as if 'my &foo := anon sub foo { ... }' |
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jnthn |
sorear: iirc, it goes into the static lexpad (which is one of those objects in the SC, so it's visible between compile time and runtime) |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: QAST::Op.new( :op('bind'), QAST::Var.new( :name('foo'), :scope('lexical'), :decl('var') ), $the_qast_blcok ) # is now NQP does it |
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jnthn |
*how |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: Example language...OK, makes sense. :) And yes, the ops need more docs too |
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[Coke] |
...b ut I don't want a lexical that's visible to the rest of the code. |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: What is the scope of subs in the language you're implementing? |
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[Coke] |
this isn't a sub that's visible to the language. |
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[Coke] |
it's a special dispatcher sub. |
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jnthn |
Oh, it's part of the standard library? |
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[Coke] |
no. |
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[Coke] |
it's just a helper sub. |
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jnthn |
Or some internals-y thing? |
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[Coke] |
yes. |
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[Coke] |
which, I suppose, I could write as QAST all the way down, but that's a PITA compared to writing nqp. |
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jnthn |
Oh, you worte it in NQP? |
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jnthn |
OK, then I misunderstood the question :) |
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[Coke] |
back when this all worked in nqp-rx, yes. |
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jnthn |
OK, moment...breakfast here :) |
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[Coke] |
I have an nqp sub. I wish to invoke this sub from the compiled QAST code. |
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sorear |
But you do NOT want the sub to be visible in any lexical scope. ? |
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sorear |
This must be doable, Rakudo's constant folder is doing something sort of similar |
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diakopter |
mmm breakfast |
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[Coke] |
yah. it's not mandatory for the first pass, but this isn't a sub users need to see (though I could stick it into an "internal" namespace) |
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sorear |
How were you doing this with NQP-rx/PAST? |
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[Coke] |
oh. it would be super awesome keen if you could write code in nqp and have something "decompile" it to QAST. ;) |
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[Coke] |
sorear: github.com/partcl/partcl-nqp, master branch |
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sorear |
what file / method name? |
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[Coke] |
the sub invocation is here: |
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[Coke] |
https://github.com/partcl/part[…]cl/Actions.pm#L73 |
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[Coke] |
that sub is putting together an invocation of "invoke" and putting it into the ast. |
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sorear |
where is the definition of sub invoke? |
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[Coke] |
https://github.com/partcl/part[…]r/src/init.pm#L82 |
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sorear |
I am not sure that is doing what you think it is doing |
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* sorear |
will wait for jnthn |
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[Coke] |
I am sure that partcl-nqp passes 99% of its tests. |
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[Coke] |
but aside from that, no, quite possible it's not doing it in the way I think it is. |
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[Coke] |
on master, if I put a pir::say() in invoke, it's definitely going through that pointy block. |
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[Coke] |
(on each invocation of some partcl command) |
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sorear |
o/ anuby, au |
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hopes he can finish up $DAYJOB soon today. sheesh |
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fome |
my @a = 1, [2, 3], [[4, 5], 6]; hi perl6 ! how can I flatten @a to a 6 elems arrays? |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: The compiler tools this days try much harder to keep the compiling environment and the running program distinct. |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: So things won't "accidentally leak through and just work", which I expect is what you'd maybe relied on |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: The way to make those things work these days is through the serialization context / world stuff |
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jnthn |
You can refer to any (6model) object from your program just by wrapping it in a QAST::WVal |
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jnthn |
The easiest way for you is to move your sub into some Internals class, make it a method, and then emit a |
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jnthn |
QAST::Op.new( :op('callmethod'), :name('foo'), QAST::WVal.new( :value(Internals) ) ) |
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jnthn |
Which will make a static reference to that Internals class in the generated coe. |
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jnthn |
*code |
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smartviking |
I'm very new to perl in general and I have a question, how do I use variables inside forwads slashes ("//")? I've ended up with this line: my @htmlresult = qx/markdown file.md/; to get the result from the markdown program on the file.md file, but I'd rather have the filename be a string variable instead of hardcoding it. |
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sorear |
smartviking: qqx |
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sorear |
two qs is like two quotes, get it? |
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sorear |
'$foo' versus "foo" |
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smartviking |
sorear: so its: my @htmlresult = qqx/markdown $file/; ? |
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sorear |
n: my @a = 1, [2, 3], [[4, 5], 6]; sub f($x) { $x ~~ Iterable ?? $x.list.map(&f) !! $x }; for f(@a) { say $_ } # fome |
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niecza v21-32-g3b04575: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m��Expecting a term, but found either infix ?? or redundant prefix ?� (to suppress this message, please use space between ? ?) at /tmp/mpdFJ7g4kG line 1:�------> 4, 5], 6]; sub f($x) { $x ~~ Iterable ??� $x.list… |
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sorear |
n: my @a = 1, [2, 3], [[4, 5], 6]; sub f($x) { $x ~~ Positional ?? $x.list.map(&f) !! $x }; for f(@a) { say $_ } # fome |
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p6eval |
niecza v21-32-g3b04575: OUTPUT«123456» |
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sorear |
smartviking: yes |
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smartviking |
sorear: thank you |
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fome |
sorear: thanks! |
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sorear |
smartviking: note that this is a bit different from perl 5 |
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sorear |
in perl 5, qx always interpolates (this is the technical term) variables, unless the chosen delimiter is ' |
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sorear |
in perl 6, your choice of delimiter has no effect, but you can choose either qx or qqx |
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smartviking |
sorear: Tbh I don't understand what qx and qqx are, just that they are followed by forward slashes |
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sorear |
smartviking: quote and execute |
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sorear |
runs an external program |
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sorear |
it does not have to be forward slashes |
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sorear |
qx[ foo ], qx(fooo), qx"foo", qx«foo», work |
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smartviking |
sorear: Aha. Are they functions? |
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MikeFair_ |
smartviking: in other words my @htmlresult = qqx[markdown $file]; will do the same thing |
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sorear |
they desugar to functions, but it's different from the normal fnction syntax |
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sorear |
I think you can say my @htmlresult = rungather("markdown $file") and it has the same effect |
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sorear |
n: say &rungather |
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p6eval |
niecza v21-32-g3b04575: OUTPUT«sub rungather(Any $command_line) { ... }» |
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sorear |
r: say &rungather |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«Nil» |
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sorear |
r: say &moo |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«Nil» |
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sorear |
hey cool I found a rakudobug I think |
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sorear |
jnthn: is this known? |
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smartviking |
Thanks I'll understand it eventually, I'm just now writing my first perl program so that why I use code I don't understand :) |
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sorear |
smartviking: I get the impresion you're not new to programming though |
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sorear |
well, welcome to #perl6, smartviking. I hope you come often :D |
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smartviking |
sorear: Yeah I'm a hobbyist, have been doing python for a couple of years :) |
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smartviking |
sorear: Thanks :) |
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runs a geoip on smartviking |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: how do I pass arguments to a callmethod Op? |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: Just put them as extra children of the node |
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jnthn |
That's unchanged from PAST :) |
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jnthn |
sorear: Is what known exactly? |
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jnthn |
sorear: Is there...soemthing claled rungather? :) |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: does old :node($/) in an Past Op translate to anything in qast? |
| 02:39 |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: Unchanged. |
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jnthn |
*called |
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sorear |
jnthn: rakduo does not catch "say &nonexistant" at compile time |
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jnthn |
sorear: We've never done so in Rakudo, afaik. |
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sorear |
jnthn: I'm willing to accept that I implemented the wrong name in niecza and there's no such thing as rungather in the specs, but Rakudo's error is... LTA. |
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jnthn |
sorear: And explicitly don't do so. |
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jnthn |
sorear: Does the spec say somewhere that this one should be a compile time error? |
| 02:41 |
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sorear |
std: say &moo |
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p6eval |
std 77327a4: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Undeclared routine:� 'moo' used at line 1�Check failed�FAILED 00:00 44m�» |
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jnthn |
We've never had it that way for a long time, anyway. |
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sorear |
r: if 0 { moo; } # there was a time when Rakudo didn't even catc this |
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jnthn |
I can make it so, but had been under the impression it wasn't meant to be. |
| 02:42 |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===CHECK FAILED:Undefined routine '&moo' called (line 1)» |
| 02:43 |
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jnthn |
Right, I agree it should catch that at compile time. |
| 02:44 |
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jnthn |
n: &foo; sub foo() { } |
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p6eval |
niecza v21-32-g3b04575: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
Hm, so it isn't treated just like any sigil'd variable. |
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sorear |
for the purposes of compile time checking, &foo; and foo; are considered the same |
| 02:46 |
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sorear |
(the code which handles this is rather dubious and should not be copied exactly) |
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jnthn |
Well, what we compile them to in terms of nodes is rathre different so the analysis will certainly look different. |
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jnthn |
*rather |
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jnthn: if I add your line, I get Null PMC access in find_method('new') |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: huh |
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jnthn |
Maybe one of us typo'd something |
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jnthn |
nqp: use QAST; class Internals { }; QAST::Op.new( :op('callmethod'), :name('foo'), QAST::WVal.new( :value(Internals) ) ) |
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p6eval |
nqp: ( no output ) |
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jnthn |
nqp: use QAST; class Internals { }; QAST::Op.new( :op('callmethod'), :name('foo'), QAST::WVal.new( :value(Internals) ) ); say 'ok' |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«Confused at line 2, near "say 'ok'"current instr.: 'panic' pc 19999 (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pir:7315) (src/stage2/gen/NQPHLL.pm:324)» |
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jnthn |
nqp: use QAST; class Internals { }; QAST::Op.new( :op('callmethod'), :name('foo'), QAST::WVal.new( :value(Internals) ) ); say('ok') |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«ok» |
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sorear |
jnthn: slightly amusing thing: we had a user here earlier who thought QAST::IVal was QAST::lVal and kept calling them l-values |
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jnthn |
sorear: Font fail. |
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jnthn |
They look rather different here :) |
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jnthn |
But yes, that will be very confusing. |
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[Coke] |
I have src/Partcl/Actions.pm and am trying to use src/TclInternals... Trying to figure out the correct use statement. |
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jnthn |
I think it does little more than separate by colons and look for the appropriate .pir or .pbc file |
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[Coke] |
nqp: use some::thing::or::other; |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«"load_bytecode" couldn't find file 'some/thing/or/other.pbc'current instr.: '' pc 1834 (src/stage2/gen/module_loader.pir:788) (src/ModuleLoader.pm:59)» |
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[Coke] |
I'm getting "confused at line 1..." |
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[Coke] |
ARGLEBARGLE wrong branch. |
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[Coke] |
now back to "Error while compiling block : Error while compiling op call: Can only use get_how on a SixModelObject |
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[Coke] |
(pushed WIP to nqp2 branch) |
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jnthn |
[Coke]: Maybe a leftover PAST:: node somewhere? |
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[Coke] |
not in any of the code I'm generating. (some left elsewhere int eh code base) |
| 03:46 |
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[Coke] |
...urk. missing a change. |
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[Coke] |
I clearly need more caffiene. |
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[Coke] |
... but that change no effect. |
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jnthn |
Do you have any literal strings or intergers in the tree? |
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[Coke] |
That is possible. |
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[Coke] |
if I change the call to use some hardcoded SVals, I get a different error about invoke() not implemented in class 'NQPMu' |
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[Coke] |
which makes me think it didn't find the Internals class. |
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jnthn |
hm, I'd expect a different error in that case |
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[Coke] |
I can't tell if it means my invoke or if invoke is a sixmodel method. |
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[Coke] |
if I rename my method to "barf", I still get an error about invoke() |
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MikeFair_ |
[Coke]: Every time I've encountered invoke and NQPMu in the same error sentence it's meant that I've passed a null node |
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jnthn |
Hm |
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MikeFair_ |
[Coke]: Or more specifically, a node that wasn't there was asked for |
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jnthn |
Maybe a missing :op('call') |
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jnthn |
lunch & |
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[Coke] |
jnthn: I'm using the callmethod you suggested. |
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[Coke] |
and then passing in 2 hardcoded SVals. |
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notices the lVal versus IVal "And yes folks that poor confused soul would be me. Quite embarassing actually. I'm just glad that at least jnthn recognized it as a font fail. :)" |
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moritz |
\o morning |
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TimToady |
o/ |
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TimToady |
we are sitting in LAX at the moment |
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sorear |
I've been there |
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sorear |
so close and yet so far |
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sorear |
o/ moritz |
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* jnthn |
back from lunch |
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moritz |
jnthn: your time zone is totally non-CEST :-) |
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jnthn |
:P |
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jnthn |
.oO( no, don't make a joke about being totally in CEST... ) |
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jnthn |
whee, NativeCall has a lot of warnings... |
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dalek |
niecza: f46ea4d | sorear++ | FETCH_URL: |
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dalek |
niecza: Update bootstrap to v22 |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/f46ea4dc2d |
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sorear |
release sent. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: 32bbd4f | jonathan++ | lib/NativeCall.pm6: |
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dalek |
zavolaj: Update for sigilless variable spec changes, eliminating warnings. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavol[…]commit/32bbd4f469 |
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sorear |
phenny: tell bonsaikitten Just for you, I made sure the v22 tag would build with itself, rather than requiring v21 :D |
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phenny |
sorear: I'll pass that on when bonsaikitten is around. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: 95df414 | jonathan++ | t/07-writebarrier.c: |
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dalek |
zavolaj: Fix 07-writebarrier.t for Win32. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavol[…]commit/95df414c10 |
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dalek |
zavolaj: 8583324 | jonathan++ | examples/win32-api-call.p6: |
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dalek |
zavolaj: Fix Win32 NCI example to work portably. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavol[…]commit/858332461f |
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dalek |
zavolaj: b538ecb | jonathan++ | examples/win32-api-call.p6: |
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dalek |
zavolaj: Don't explicitly add the .dll. |
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dalek |
zavolaj: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavol[…]commit/b538ecb47d |
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kresike |
good morning all you happy perl6 people |
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jnthn |
o/ kresike |
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sorear |
o/ |
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kresike |
jnthn, sorear o/ |
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Ulti |
https://github.com/cjfields/bioperl6 yay! |
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Ulti |
lame they already made a FASTA Grammar :/ maybe I should give them mine which handles DNA and protein sequences at the same time and understands the difference |
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Ulti |
I really think bioinformatics could easily be the killer app for perl6, I'm not sure you understand how much grammars will ease all coding efforts for bioinformaticians |
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sorear |
Ulti: hahahahaha |
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Ulti |
on a daily basis I have to reformat data between several new bespoke file formats into something sane, leaving a grammar for these in a file is much more sensible than a tonne of uncommented perl 5.8 style regex |
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Ulti |
sorear: why the manic laughter? |
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daxim |
grammar-style parsers have been available for years in p5-land |
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sorear |
Ulti: the thought of running a perl 6 grammar over 3 bln base pairs |
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Ulti |
daxim: yeah but not in core |
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Ulti |
trust me installing packages in a university is not trivial |
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Ulti |
I use perlbrew for everything :( |
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Ulti |
and rsync it around |
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sorear |
3 million is pushing current possibility :( |
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jnthn |
sorear: Just 'cus it ain't so fast now doesn't mean it never will be. |
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Ulti |
sorear: well people use the current perl5 regex engine in an ensemble similar to a grammar |
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Ulti |
plus people have compute power |
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Ulti |
they have much less time to get formats right |
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daxim |
but e.g. the bioperl dist already has a 1001 dependencies |
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Ulti |
yeah which is why I do everything myself with perl5 regex ;) |
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Ulti |
I also use mojolicious rather than catalyst because (lol Moose) |
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sorear |
you dislike moose but you're ok with p6? |
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Ulti |
no I like Moose, I dont like how much effort it is to install |
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Ulti |
I love Moose |
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Ulti |
but perl6 is Moose without the epic deps |
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daxim |
I just flipped the bozo bit on you, care to hear why? |
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Ulti |
im just saying in the near term future perl6 does fulfill a big role in the niche I live in |
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sorear |
Ulti: I'm confused, how does more dependencies translate into more effort? |
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Ulti |
because I can't actually install any of them without great effort |
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Ulti |
at home its fine, at work its a nightmare |
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Ulti |
if Moose was core and my department actually used a distribution of Linux that wasnt a decade old I guess I would have no reason to complain |
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kresike |
Ulti, I think you should refocus your efforts of working around security/policy problems at work into asking the people to help you do your work by installing what you need or allowing you to do it. |
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kresike |
I mean the people responsible for policy/security. |
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Ulti |
yeah I tried that at first, but they demanded that I tell them each package at a time to install, I couldn't just blanket install all of perl |
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sorear |
Ulti: what prevents you from just doing cpanm -S Moose after perlbrew and going on a lunch break? |
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Ulti |
my point was more a perl that comes with nice syntax for writing parsers and no need for external dependencies for OO is a good thing.. whether that should be perl5 or perl6 isn't something I'm massively into arguing about |
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sorear |
well |
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sorear |
scratch the -S |
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Ulti |
sorear: nothing, thats what I do do, then I do it again for the endless different types of machine I work on, and my bashrc gets bigger and bigger working out which perl environment to use |
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Ulti |
and I have to synch up the perlbrew installations |
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daxim |
[09:58] <Ulti> I use perlbrew for everything :( |
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daxim |
[09:58] <Ulti> and rsync it around |
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daxim |
here's the thing, wrong tool for the problem |
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daxim |
learn packaging, you can get up and running with rpm in half an hour |
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moritz |
daxim: it doesn't work out like that in practise |
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moritz |
if you use the system perl, sooner or later you run into problems when modules depend on newwer versions of your core modules |
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moritz |
and then you're pretty much screwed |
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daxim |
your knowledge is outdated, not a problem anymore sine 5.12: http://perldoc.perl.org/perl51[…]NC-reorganization |
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moritz |
and yet our production systems still run 5.10.* |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: SDL6's META.info fails to list NativeCall as a dependency. |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: Also, when I panda install SDL after doing that manually, I get "Cannot import symbol &trait_mod:<is> from Inline" |
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sorear |
daxim: What part of "Ulti> if ... my department actually used a distribution of Linux that wasnt a decade old" makes you think 5.12 is an option? |
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daxim |
you and moritz are fixated on the system perl, although I never mentioned that - I just said packaging. it's perfectly possible to package to e.g. /opt/modernperl and base everything on top of that |
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FROGGS |
jnthn: the thin about trait_mod:<is> seems to be an open issue or rakudo, there is a TODO in World.pm around line 260 |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: Ah, OK. I can probably look at that. |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: Please can I haz a commit bit for File::Spec so I can do a Win32 fix? |
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FROGGS |
I'm trying to make these symbol merges right, but had no luck so far, still trying to understand the rakudo code |
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FROGGS |
jnthn: of course |
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daxim |
brew + rsync + rubberbands is a poor substitute for the existing toolchain |
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moritz |
daxim: well, using the system perl is the obvious first choice. If that's not what you meant, it would have helped to be more forthcoming with your information |
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moritz |
daxim: we can't read your mind over IRC |
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FROGGS |
jnthn: you have commit bit |
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kresike |
daxim, packaging up a modern perl over ancient system libraries can be hard too, especially if one has many distros or architectures to handle |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: Thanks, pushed a fix :) |
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daxim |
otoh, don't underestimate how much research by full-time sysops has been funneled into easing/solving those problems already, most of the time it just takes a bit of research to find the existing code/extension to paper over the differences instead of needing to writing from scratch |
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FROGGS: Hm, well, I fixed the tempdir bit. Now trying to install Inline::C complains about catfile... |
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FROGGS |
jnthn: I can fix that stuff on windows this evening too |
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FROGGS |
or maybe even in an hour, I'm currently in a meeting |
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jnthn |
FROGGS: It's OK, I already pushed something that should fix it up :) |
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jnthn |
Oh, but I think it may get some slashes wrong or something |
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jnthn |
Or maybe the issue is in inline itself. The C compiler complains. |
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FROGGS |
wrong slashes? windows should be able to handle / |
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FROGGS |
maybe its about spaces in path? |
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jnthn |
maybe, but the tmp path it gets contains no spaces |
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jnthn |
Windows doesn't *always* handle / well :) |
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jnthn |
(but cl tends to, so yeah, not sure it's a slash issue) |
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sorear |
what if cl thinks it's a command option? |
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dalek |
niecza: 3c5f8e1 | sorear++ | lib/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
niecza: Top removal: regex engine |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/3c5f8e19e2 |
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dalek |
niecza: 5ac00cc | sorear++ | lib/ (3 files): |
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dalek |
niecza: Top removal: StashCursor |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/5ac00cc014 |
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dalek |
niecza: 9840f57 | sorear++ | lib/Kernel.cs: |
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dalek |
niecza: Top removal: Kernel, some easy cases |
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dalek |
niecza: review: https://github.com/sorear/niec[…]commit/9840f574db |
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sorear |
sleep& |
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Ulti |
dalek: here's the thing, I already know about packaging and I use deb, but this isnt a system I have root on, its not even a system where I have enough disk space to run my own package of every thing I need |
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Ulti |
sorry daxim |
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Ulti |
too many people here for quick tab complete :) |
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Ulti |
perl 5.8 is the perl experience for a lot of people still as much as I hate that myself, on servers I do have some control on I pushed up to 5.10.1 and that took heroic efforts on my part, my job is not to sysadmin half of a university |
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Ulti |
perlbrew also introduces unique problems when you want your perl running in CGI through apache that you dont control |
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Ulti |
core perl6 just has features that I'd use which I'd love to see in perl5 as default vanilla system perl |
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arnsholt |
Ulti: I feel you. I had more or less the same experience up until relatively recently |
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arnsholt |
It sucks |
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kunal |
when will Perl6 be released? |
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tadzik |
it's released every month |
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Ulti |
well last months Rakudo is on my laptop runs pretty smoothly |
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arnsholt: hi! :) |
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arnsholt: I patched a couple of NativeCall bits earlier. Seems the struct test fails on Win32 with segfault...didn't get to look at it yet. |
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Ulti |
arnsholt yeah I feel like I live in the 1980s TRON style, with the master control telling me what I can and cant run |
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kunal |
then why is perl5 actively supported it should have died as perl 4 and perl6 used instead |
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arnsholt |
jnthn: Odd. Hopefully noy anything I did =) |
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tadzik |
no, it should have not |
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tadzik |
that was not the idea |
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Ulti |
because perl6 is a different language kunal its not really replacing perl5, which is under active development as part of the Modern Perl movement |
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kunal |
so what was the idea behind perl 6 |
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kunal |
okay how is it different from perl 5 |
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Ulti |
take on board all the flights of fancy people have which would utterly break perl5 syntax |
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arnsholt |
Also, Perl 4 coexisted with Perl 5 for many years |
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kunal |
okay how many years |
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kunal |
5 years do you expect same timeframe for perl 5 |
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arnsholt |
Dunno, but quite a while from memory |
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Ulti |
kunal it has a nicer object model like Moose in perl5 and some more regex features which are also backported to perl5 |
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Ulti |
I doubt perl5 will ever die |
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kunal |
great i am actually happy to hear that |
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Ulti |
there is just too much of it about, especially as sysadmin type scripts, it basically replaced crufty shell scripts for a lot of work |
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Ulti |
perl5 one liners in the shell is a major reason I haven't put a lot of effort into python |
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Ulti |
though I imagine there is some work around for getting one liner regex in python, I can probably package python for every machine I work on to acheive it and then move all my code to python |
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kunal |
why do you want to move to python and leave perl? |
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Ulti |
sorry it was a snarky dig at daxim's solution to using modern perl |
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Ulti |
bbl |
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FROGGS |
jnthn: still problems on windows? I could have a look right now too |
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FROGGS: Inline::C doesn't work out with MSVC still |
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jnthn: k, I'll have a look |
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colomon |
sorear: ping? |
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colomon |
phenny: tell sorear Niecza completely broken: Unhandled exception: System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'Cursor..ctor'. |
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phenny |
colomon: I'll pass that on when sorear is around. |
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damn it, panda installs File::Spec to C:\...\login.DOMAIN\.perl6\lib but perl6 is looking in C:\...\login\.perl6\lib |
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FROGGS |
okay, myfault, my HOME wasnt equal to HOMEDRIVE ~ HOMEPATH |
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jnthn: so you've got a rakudo compiled with msvc? I have the star release which was comiled with gcc as it seems |
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jnthn: can you zip it up? or is there a msvc project file? |
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std: class C { multi method !a() { }; multi method !a(Mu $x) { }; } |
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std 77327a4: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:� $x is declared but not used at /tmp/T28ykNgGWD line 1:�------> lti method !a() { }; multi method !a(Mu �$x) { }; }�ok 00:00 44m�» |
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[Coke] |
FROGGS: there's an .msi for windows, is that not helpfuL? |
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FROGGS |
but thats built with gcc, no? |
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[Coke] |
I don't know if the person who built it used the strawberry perl toolchain or the msvc toolchain, no. |
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* [Coke] |
installs the new SourceCodePro font from adobe on OS X... doesn't look great on my normal IRC session. ew. |
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[Coke] |
oooh. turned on antialiasing, looks very nice. |
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[Coke] |
1lLi0oO ;) |
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[Coke] |
also seems to handle unicode quite nicely. |
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[Coke] |
http://boingboing.net/2012/09/[…]n-source-cod.html |
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tadzik |
1lLi0oO looks pretty good on Monospace :) |
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[Coke] |
oh! - click on the link, it shows the example there. |
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tadzik |
yeah, I've seen the font |
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tadzik |
only now when you pasted 1lLi0oO on the channel I though "huh, this looks pretty dinstinguishable for me" |
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tadzik |
http://i.imgur.com/mC2jO.png |
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cognominal_ |
I am using incosolata on ST2. Probably should use it on xchat |
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Su-Shee |
droid mono is also nice and unicode-able. |
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tadzik |
frankly, most fonts seem quite alike to me |
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tadzik |
only those Ubuntu fonts look like some regular font ran over by a monster truck |
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Su-Shee |
there's not that much variation in monospace fonts.. |
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tadzik |
yeah |
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tadzik |
maybe it requires a specific taste you gain over time |
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felher |
r: use parameters :D; sub a(Int $x) { }; a(Int); |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===Could not find parameters in any of: /home/p6eval/.perl6/lib, /home/p6eval/nom-inst/lib/parrot/4.8.0-devel/languages/perl6/lib» |
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felher |
Hm, NYI i guess :) |
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FROGGS |
[Coke]: since there is no ExtUtils::CppGuess yet for perl6 I use the CC vars from parrot to compile code, and for rakudo 2012-08 that means gcc |
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FROGGS |
I wanted to have jnthn's msvc-build to test the errors he got |
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* [Coke] |
had that at one point on a windows box, but hasn't been keeping up |
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[Coke] |
Ⓢ ⒪ rry. |
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[Coke] |
. o O (I got lazy half way through that experiment.;) |
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FROGGS |
;o) |
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geekosaur |
...write a p6 script to do it :p |
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tadzik |
ohhh, like the flag game |
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moritz |
the first rule of the flag game is: you don't talk about the flag game |
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tadzik |
unless it's in flag words |
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moritz |
.oO( but sometimes I catch people in flag ranti ) |
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felher |
Implementing 'use parameters :D' in Rakudo is far from being a LHF, I guess? |
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GlitchMr |
1Il|ioO0oB8 |
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GlitchMr |
I guess I've good font because I can recognize those characters |
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tadzik |
moritz: :D |
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GlitchMr |
(also, I accidentally typed "o" two times) |
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GlitchMr |
Too bad that my default browser monospace font doesn't recognize O and 0 very well |
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GlitchMr |
The worst monospace font I've seen had ( and { looking similarly |
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GlitchMr |
http://stackoverflow.com/a/215911/736054 |
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GlitchMr |
Best font... wait... |
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GlitchMr |
I wouldn't want to program using this. I would even use Comic Sans MS instead of that what |
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Ulti |
why not just use windings |
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GlitchMr |
Actually... I think that Wingdings or Webdings would be worse than that |
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GlitchMr |
I don't know |
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Ulti |
I dunno some obvious bugs might be a lot more obvious in windings.... oh man I have a hammer and smilee in my code, no point compiling yet |
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GlitchMr |
Programming in Webdings would be some sort of joke |
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Ulti |
well yeah I wasn't serious ;P |
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GlitchMr |
Ulti: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63913412/webdings.png |
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GlitchMr |
Now, find bugs in that |
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moritz |
line 42 is wrong, obviously :-) |
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GlitchMr |
Except... my code doesn't have line 42 |
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moritz |
that's why it's wrong |
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PerlJam |
GlitchMr: 3rd line, 15th character |
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GlitchMr |
PerlJam: that would be dot character |
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GlitchMr |
Actually, do you mean "m" or "." character? |
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PerlJam |
yeah, that's a syntax error :) |
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GlitchMr |
Syntax error in what? |
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GlitchMr |
That code was "Hello, world!" in Java |
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GlitchMr |
(also, I guess that more difficult version of that would disable syntax highlighting) |
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GlitchMr |
(perhaps I should've used COBOL as example, but whatever) |
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GlitchMr |
Actually... |
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GlitchMr |
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63913412/webdings2.png |
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GlitchMr |
That is more interesting |
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GlitchMr |
When you shout, Webdings is more annoying |
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GlitchMr |
Actually, I've feeling it's a feature |
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Ulti |
GlitchMr: you missed a ferry boat on line 3 |
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dalek |
Perlito: 025c8c5 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | src5/lib/Perlito5/Javascript3/Emitter.pm: |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3: update TODO |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/025c8c55a9 |
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[Coke] |
r: say "what" |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«what» |
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[Coke] |
.u ♨ |
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phenny |
U+2668 HOT SPRINGS (♨) |
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phenny |
U+0020 SPACE ( ) |
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kresike |
bye folks |
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GlitchMr |
.u ~:/ 0=|/~ >:i.100 |
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phenny |
GlitchMr: Sorry, your input is too long! |
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pmichaud |
good morning, #perl6 |
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phenny |
pmichaud: 22 Sep 23:38Z <raiph> tell pmichaud fyi: https://gist.github.com/3768134 |
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felher |
o/ |
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pmichaud |
just wanted to note that I expect to be able to do the star release tomorrow morning |
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felher |
pmichaud++ :) |
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[Coke] |
pmichaud++ |
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PerlJam |
http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_[…]m_government.html |
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GlitchMr |
> * 1..10 |
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GlitchMr |
1..10 |
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GlitchMr |
I should shouldn't destroy things |
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GlitchMr |
std: sub prefix:<%> { 1 / $^a }; my %hash; |
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p6eval |
std 77327a4: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 46m» |
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GlitchMr |
std: sub prefix:<%> { 1 / $^a }; my %hash = number => %30; say %hash<number>; |
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p6eval |
std 77327a4: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 46m» |
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GlitchMr |
perl6: sub prefix:<%> { 1 / $^a }; my %hash = number => %30; say %hash<number>; |
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p6eval |
niecza v22-3-g9840f57: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:� %hash is declared but not used at /tmp/ykluwN_yyz line 1:�------> sub prefix:<%> { 1 / $^a }; my �%hash = number => %30; say %hash<number>��Use of uninitialized value in numeric context� at /home/p6eval/niecza/l… |
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p6eval |
..rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized variable $a of type Any in numeric context in sub prefix:<%> at /tmp/Nb4oaV6QSA:1Divide by zero in sub infix:<div> at src/gen/CORE.setting:2895 in method floor at src/gen/CORE.setting:7972 in method Str at src/gen/CORE.setting:7990 i… |
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GlitchMr |
std: my !hash = number => %30; say !hash<number>; |
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p6eval |
std 77327a4: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Malformed my at /tmp/VnRxT4sAh_ line 1:�------> my �!hash = number => %30; say !hash<number>� expecting any of:� name� scoped declarator�Parse failed�FAILED 00:00 41m�» |
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GlitchMr |
std: my %hash = number => %30; say !hash<number>; |
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p6eval |
std 77327a4: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 43m» |
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GlitchMr |
Perl 5 mode of STD: |
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GlitchMr |
for (my $len = .chars; $len > 0; --$lenmy $len = .chars; $len > 0; --$len) { |
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GlitchMr |
ok... |
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dalek |
perl6-Text-Abbrev: da7a1d9 | GlitchMr++ | lib/Text/Abbrev.pm: |
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dalek |
perl6-Text-Abbrev: Use KeySet instead of hash. |
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dalek |
perl6-Text-Abbrev: review: https://github.com/GlitchMr/pe[…]commit/da7a1d97d7 |
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skids |
.oO(Never ask a Perl6 guru for an "itemized list". You'll both end up confused.) |
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sirrobert |
in an anonymous sub like: sub {@_[0] + @_[1]} is there a better way I should refer to the args being passed in? (assuming I don't want to parameterize) |
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sirrobert |
? |
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hoelzro |
sirrobert: $_[0] and $_[1], for one =) |
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sirrobert |
hrm |
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huf |
cant you do $^a and friends? |
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sirrobert |
hoelzro: why does the array sign change? |
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sirrobert |
huf: I didn't know about $^a and friends (thanks!) |
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huf |
iirc they bind to the positional parameters in unicode sort order |
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hoelzro |
oops, I thought this was #perl |
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hoelzro |
sorry! |
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huf |
so $^a will be the first one, $^b the second. but i'm not sure. |
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sirrobert |
hoelzro: heh no worries =) |
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sirrobert |
huf: nice; just tested-- it works |
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sirrobert |
thanks |
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huf |
sirrobert: also, you can declare params for pointy blocks, but i dont know if they help you here |
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sirrobert |
will check it out |
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huf |
-> $a, $b { .... } # maybe that's the syntax? |
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spider-mario |
yes |
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spider-mario |
or sub($a, $b) {...} must work |
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spider-mario |
no, it doesn’t |
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sirrobert |
doing this right now: |
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sirrobert |
r: sub foo ($a, $b, &c) { return &c($a,$b); }; my $foo = foo 1, 4, {$^a + $^b}; say $foo; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«5» |
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sirrobert |
will try to get a feel for the other forms too |
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huf |
spider-mario: ah, but does sub ($a, $b) { } work? |
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huf |
rakudo: my $x = sub ($a, $b) { say $a }; $x("cats"); |
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spider-mario |
oh, it works with the space |
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sirrobert |
huf: yeah, that works |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 2 in sub at /tmp/Ons5X_YoAl:1 in block at /tmp/Ons5X_YoAl:1» |
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spider-mario |
but then sakudo prints it without it |
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huf |
i fail at perl6, but at least my suggestions work :D |
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spider-mario |
which is incorrect and confusing |
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spider-mario |
> sub ($a, $b) {...} |
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spider-mario |
sub($a, $b) { ... } |
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spider-mario |
> sub($a, $b) { ... } |
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spider-mario |
Variable $a is not declared |
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huf |
spider-mario: sub(...) will call the sub sub |
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huf |
sub () will be the sub keyword |
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huf |
or whatever perl6 calls those things. |
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huf |
if () is if, if() calls the function called 'if' |
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huf |
except you dont need the ()-s there, but anyway |
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spider-mario |
right, but I think the output of the REPL should be changed there |
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spider-mario |
even .perl prints it incorrectly |
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spider-mario |
r: (sub ($a, $b) {...}).perl.say |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«sub($a, $b) { ... }» |
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huf |
oh! |
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huf |
that's misleading, yeah |
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spider-mario |
n: (sub ($a, $b) {...}).perl.say |
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niecza v22-3-g9840f57: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:� $a is declared but not used at /tmp/f3RguUtUzi line 1:�------> (sub (�$a, $b) {...}).perl.say� $b is declared but not used at /tmp/f3RguUtUzi line 1:�------> (sub ($a, �$b) {...}).perl.say��su… |
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spider-mario |
n: (sub ($a, $b) {$a + $b}).perl.say |
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niecza v22-3-g9840f57: OUTPUT«sub ANON(Any $a, Any $b) { ... }» |
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sevvie |
Hey everyone. I came around about a month ago, asking about why rakudo-star wouldn't compile on a Macbook. (http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-08-23#i_5920252) I didn't come to a conclusion then, but I started digging at it recently; the way brew solves the problems on Macs is by compiling the most recent version of libffi and replacing the -I portions of CFLAGS with ones that point to the newer libffi. (https://github.com/mxcl/homebr[…]b/master/Library/ |
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sevvie |
Just... in case anyone needs that, or googles it. |
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sevvie |
https://github.com/mxcl/homebr[…]akudo-star.rb#L14 |
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sirrobert |
sevvie thanks =) |
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sevvie |
You're welcome; and, thank you! |
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dalek |
Perlito: 9106461 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3 - @_ binds to lvalues |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/9106461b9a |
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rindolf |
Hi all. In Rakudo "make spectest" fails - http://paste.debian.net/192906/ . Mageia Linux 3/Cauldron x86-64. |
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[Coke] |
nqp: https://gist.github.com/3783359 |
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p6eval |
nqp: ( no output ) |
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dalek |
Perlito: 3596c1a | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3 - fix indentation |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/3596c1a9c8 |
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[Coke] |
dahell? that fails locally. |
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[Coke] |
nqp: https://gist.github.com/3783359 |
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p6eval |
nqp: OUTPUT«alive» |
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[Coke] |
O_o |
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FROGGS |
rindolf: I get the same fails too |
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rindolf |
FROGGS: I see. |
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FROGGS |
but I didnt checked if there is a ticket or a TODO or somthing |
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sorear |
rindolf! \o/ |
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phenny |
sorear: 11:32Z <colomon> tell sorear Niecza completely broken: Unhandled exception: System.MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'Cursor..ctor'. |
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sorear |
colomon_: ping |
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dalek |
Perlito: 1306f63 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3 - fix parameter list interpolation |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/1306f63aa1 |
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rindolf |
sorear: hi. |
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rindolf |
sorear: what's up? |
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sorear |
rindolf: you're here. that's unusual. |
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rindolf |
sorear: yes, because I want to report the failing tests. |
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colomon_ |
sorear: pong |
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[Coke] |
once you have a QAST, how do you compile and run it? |
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[Coke] |
(assuming you have one with a :main) |
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sorear |
colomon_: I suspect that what's going on is badly handled stale compiled modules, what happens if you move ~/.local/share/NieczaModuleCache out of the way? |
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* colomon_ |
needs to get better at following irssi if he is not going to miss messages while his MBP is away for repairs. |
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sorear |
I can do email. |
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colomon_ |
sorear: blowing away NieczaModuleCache seems to have done the trick. Thanks! |
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dalek |
Perlito: 0d21f22 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3 - more efficient list interpolation |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/0d21f22830 |
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sirrobert |
where can I get info on how to use perl6-debug? |
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Ulti |
sevvie: I haven't had any problems with my Macbook, what version of OSX are you on? |
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colomon_ |
sorear: just notice that I do get at least one real spectest fail with the new niecza, t/spec/S02-names-vars/names.t |
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[Coke] |
phenny: ask jnthn how to run a QAST CompUnit in a standalone NQP program when you're testing QAST. |
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phenny |
[Coke]: I'll pass that on when jnthn is around. |
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japhb |
sirrobert, jnthn++ did a presentation on perl6-debug. IIRC you can start with 'perl6-debug foo' rather than 'perl6 foo' and use the 'help' command to get a feel for what's available. |
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sorear |
japhb: were you there? I didn't see you |
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sirrobert |
ah, great =) |
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sorear |
o/ kst |
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sirrobert |
r: enum E <A B C>; for (E::A, E::B, E::C) { say $^a ?? "yep" !! "nope" } |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«nopeyepyep» |
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sirrobert |
I find that *very* unexpected ... am I missing anything? |
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sirrobert |
(I think it's because the first one is getting evaluated as 0 because it's the first one) |
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sirrobert |
r: enum E <A B>; say so E::A; say so E::B; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«FalseTrue» |
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sirrobert |
r: enum E <A B>; say E::A; say E::B; |
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p6eval |
rakudo 16f22b: OUTPUT«AB» |
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sorear |
sirrobert: spec oversight, I'd say |
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sirrobert |
I think in bool context it should be True (or 0E0), and in Int context it should be 0; |
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sorear |
enums are specced to inherit from Int, and they don't have spec bool behavior |
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sorear |
so they inherit Int's bool behavior |
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sirrobert |
ok |
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sirrobert |
hmmm |
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sirrobert |
how should I bring that up to someone? |
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sorear |
file a ticket against github.com/perl6/specs |
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sirrobert |
ok, cool |
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sirrobert |
thanks |
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japhb |
sorear, I was there, then I was gone, now I'm back. ;-) |
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sorear |
japhb: I can't remember if we've met |
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japhb |
In person, no. It's been years since I've been able to travel to any conferences/hackathons/etc. |
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sorear |
so you were not at frankfurt 2012? |
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* japhb |
shakes his head sadly |
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sorear |
ah well |
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sorear |
austin 2013? |
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[Coke] |
if you don't want your enums to have the default values, you can override them, fyi. |
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japhb |
sorear, I somewhat doubt it, though at least (if it stays with the YAPC norm) it's not during the school year. |
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sorear |
japhb: where and when *would* be convenient? :D |
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japhb |
San Francisco (especially the north bay) -- just about any time. :-) |
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sorear |
but school years are relevant, eh? |
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japhb |
Problem is, the only Perl conference around here is O'Reilly's, and it's REALLY expensive if you aren't getting the fees waved. |
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* sorear |
wonders if japhb has met TimToady |
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japhb |
Yes. |
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japhb |
He probably doesn't remember, though -- I apparently caught him at a bad moment. |
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japhb |
School year is relevant because I have three kids in school. ;-) |
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sorear |
japhb: aren't you yourself on a phd track of some kind? |
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* japhb |
chuckles |
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japhb |
Wow. Uh, no. |
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sorear |
I must be confusing you with someone else |
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flussence |
japhd? |
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sorear |
huh? |
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flussence |
bad pun :) |
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sorear |
flussence: japhb is itself a bad pun |
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japhb |
;-) |
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flussence |
hm, does that mine a double negative, or just twice as bad... |
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japhb |
yes? |
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dalek |
Perlito: 005a246 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (2 files): |
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dalek |
Perlito: Perlito5 - js3 - cleanup |
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dalek |
Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perl[…]commit/005a2469eb |
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GlitchMr |
Perlito is cool, but it didn't have Perlito6 updates for long time |
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GlitchMr |
But it's nice to see Perl 5 part being improved |
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sorear |
GlitchMr: having spoken with fglock in Perl, I expect the run of perlito5 improvements to continue for a while |
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GlitchMr |
Also, http://perlcabal.org/~fglock/perlito5.html is outdated |
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GlitchMr |
I wonder how can I install it on my harddrive somehow |
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sorear |
I beleive fglock was using node when he was demoing it in Perl |
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pmurias |
GlitchMr: git clone the repo from github |
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GlitchMr |
Wow, I have it downloading at 99% |
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pmurias |
sorear: perlito5 uses node for running js from the CLI |
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GlitchMr |
That 99% is long |
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sorear |
github-- # it would be very useful if the notifications mailings could say GlitchMr instead of just Конрад Боровски, making me look stuff up |
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FROGGS |
ya, it should show both the nick and the real name |
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masak |
evenin', #perl6 |
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colomon_ |
o/ |
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[Coke] |
masak: guten abend. |
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sorear |
o/ masak |
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masak |
'night, #perl6 |
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[Coke] |
SWADOL* |
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felher |
o/ masak |
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sorear |
L? |
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[Coke] |
Large |
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sorear |
hrm, what was the original? |
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sorear |
sleep well and dream of large ...? |
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[Coke] |
“women” |
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[Coke] |
(quote from the princess bride, for those in the log) |
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