IRC log for #perl6, 2012-10-21

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Time	S	Nick	Message
00:03		RandalSchwartz	well - there's not enough time to do everything I want, sadly
00:03		japhb	RandalSchwartz, [Coke]: This is known, though I don't know if it's been rakudobug'ed.
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00:03		RandalSchwartz	ahh!
00:03		RandalSchwartz	hey japhy
00:03		japhb	RandalSchwartz, different guy.  :-)
00:03		RandalSchwartz	oh - that's not japhy
00:03		RandalSchwartz	nick collision in first four chars!
00:03		japhb	Anyway, the problem is:
00:03		japhb	When Rakudo had to revert back from Parrot 4.7 or 4.8 back to 4.4, we discovered that Rakudo's build process
00:04		japhb	does not properly deal with a rewind of the required Parrot version.
00:04		japhb	Best I've seen is: git clean -dxf; rm -rf parrot nqp installl
00:04		japhb	er, s/l$//;
00:05		[Coke]	ah. so maybe my comment about that not getting removed was correct.
00:05		japhb	After that, the normal build process should work fine.
00:05		japhb	[Coke], yep, pretty much.
00:05		RandalSchwartz	japhb - didn't
00:05		RandalSchwartz	rm -rf parrot, then that file got deleted by something early in the cycle
00:05		RandalSchwartz	so I had to go in and reset hard
00:05		RandalSchwartz	then it worked
00:06		RandalSchwartz	so something in the "fetch parrot" part of rakudo is breaking that file
00:06		RandalSchwartz	at least for me
00:06		japhb	Did you do all the stuff I had above? In particular, there was the nuke of the nqp directory as well as the parrot one.
00:06		japhb	I don't know the details of what is broken, but that pair of commands fixed it in all the places I saw it.
00:06		RandalSchwartz	I did git clean -dfx and that resets it back to the checkout
00:07		RandalSchwartz	unless nqp is in the checkout, then it was gone
00:07		* japhb	shrugs in the face of illogical reality
00:08		japhb	You are way more than welcome to investigate the real cause of the fail and fix it.  ;-)
00:08		RandalSchwartz	yeay!  perl6 fires up
00:08		[Coke]	RandalSchwartz: I would just double check next time that the -xdf really did remove parrot.
00:08		RandalSchwartz	it did.  I saw it say that. :)
00:08		RandalSchwartz	oh - but maybe it said that but didn't do it?  never seen that before.
00:08		[Coke]	ugh I'm now at 41% of downloading parrot from my initial attempt to rebuild for you. :)
00:08		RandalSchwartz	but now I have an updated "live" tag, so I'm happy
00:09		RandalSchwartz	you should come over here... lots of bandwidth
00:09		[Coke]	I'm in Ballston Spa NY just now. You?
00:09		RandalSchwartz	a bit aways from that :)
00:10		[Coke]	next time for sure. :)
00:11		[Coke]	getting 156 KiB/s to github!
00:11		RandalSchwartz	woo!
00:12		japhb	Ugh.  Big long error trace from Parrot, looks like possibly GC corruption.  I did not feel like golfing GC problems tonight ...  :-/
00:12		diakopter	r: X[X]
00:12		p6eval	rakudo b86628: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
00:13		diakopter	phenny: tell masak  r: X[X]  # LTA error imho
00:13		phenny	diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
00:14		diakopter	phenny: tell moritz disect_longname in rakudo should be dissect_longname :)
00:14		phenny	diakopter: I'll pass that on when moritz is around.
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00:16		diakopter	phenny: tell masak same for  r: sub foo(X of X) { }
00:16		phenny	diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
00:17		* RandalSchwartz	wanders off
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00:24		diakopter	phenny: tell masak vivify fail for scalar; work with @ sigil thoughr:  my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({});
00:24		phenny	diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
00:27		[Coke]	anyone know the rakudo command line to build a parrot amenable to gdb'ing off the top of their head?
00:27		[Coke]	parrot&perl6
00:28		diakopter	phenny: tell masak hash allowed in array? r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl
00:28		phenny	diakopter: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
00:29		[Coke]	(i'm getting function names, but no args or line #s)
00:40		[Coke]	got it.
00:41		[Coke]	bug: reconfiguring rakudo with new parrot build options doesn't force a parrot rebuild.
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01:13		[Coke]	phenny: ask TimToady to comment on https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=63778 (marked as a spec ticket)
01:13		phenny	[Coke]: I'll pass that on when TimToady is around.
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01:21		[Coke]	Can someone on openbsd double check https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=85750 ?
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01:31		colomon	o/
01:35		sorear	colomon! \o/
01:35		colomon	o\
01:36		colomon	sorear: how goes it?
01:41		dalek	roast: 970a119 | coke++ | S01-perl-5-integration/basic.t:
01:41		dalek	roast: Add test for RT #77596, fudge for rakudo
01:41		dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/970a119d0c
01:42		sorear	colomon: good
01:43		dalek	rakudo/nom: e765c99 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
01:43		dalek	rakudo/nom: Run test for RT #77596
01:43		dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e765c99f4c
01:43		colomon	just realized I'm way behind the times.  you're back at school now?
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01:50		gfldex	it is
01:50		gfldex	nvm
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01:58		sorear	colomon: no, taking a break from that.  I has dayjob now
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02:04		grondilu	rn: my @a = ^4; for @a -> $l is rw { @a»++; say $l };
02:05		p6eval	rakudo b86628, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«1␤3␤5␤7␤»
02:06		grondilu	rn: for my @a = ^4 -> $l is rw { @a»++; say $l++ };
02:06		p6eval	rakudo b86628, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«1␤3␤5␤7␤»
02:09		colomon	sorear: ah, hope that is going well.
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02:41		japhb	loop-over-run crash golfed!
02:42		japhb	See https://gist.github.com/3925501 and comments
02:42		japhb	Rakudobug filed.
02:57		CharellKing	Hi everyone
02:57		CharellKing	maybe you are at night
02:58		CharellKing	now we are daytime
03:01		sorear	hello CharellKing
03:01		sorear	we got folks all over
03:02		sorear	it's evening for me, early morning for jnthn et al
03:06		CharellKing	yeah
03:06		CharellKing	you get up so early
03:06		CharellKing	which country are you from
03:09		CharellKing	Maybe sleep early is good for you
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03:40		raiph	phenny, tell masak r: say "@a[]" # Null PMC access. New bug?
03:40		phenny	raiph: I'll pass that on when masak is around.
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04:51		diakopter	rn: say [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][​][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
04:51		p6eval	rakudo e765c9, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«␤»
04:54		diakopter	rn: say []{}{}*^[]
04:54		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«0␤»
04:54		p6eval	..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«␤»
05:20		cognominal	rn: | 1
05:20		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&prefix:<|>' called (line 1)␤»
05:20		p6eval	..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Unable to resolve method Capture in type Int␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3287 (prefix:<|> @ 4) ␤  at /tmp/NsEVCEIuwM line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4215 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p…
05:26		cognominal	rn:      sub compare (|args, Num $x, Num $y --> Bool) { ... }
05:26		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Potential difficulties:â�¤  $x is declared but not used at /tmp/A7d5EszBEj line 1:â�¤------> sub compare (|args, Num â��$x, Num $y --> Bool) { ... }â�¤  $y is declared but not used at /tmp/A7d5EszBEj line 1:â�¤------> sub compare (|args, Num …
05:26		p6eval	..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot put required parameter $x after variadic parameters␤at /tmp/0P6c7R4cU2:1␤»
05:40		cognominal	rn: my Int \x = 6 ; my \y = 4;  sub foo (\x, \y) { x = y; };   foo x, y ;
05:40		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Writing to readonly scalar␤  at /tmp/kJpyMqje4a line 1 (foo @ 3) ␤  at /tmp/kJpyMqje4a line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4215 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4216 (module-C…
05:40		p6eval	..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Cannot assign to a non-container␤  in sub foo at /tmp/veIlpp_CCP:1␤  in block  at /tmp/veIlpp_CCP:1␤␤»
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: 91def7b | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | components.json:
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: Add regex for finding release tags to components.json
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/91def7b174
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: f6ce8a9 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: Refactor handling of COMPONENTS_DIR and checking whether setup has been done
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/f6ce8a9bc9
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: 21065ad | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: Add extract-releases command; start filling in build command
06:15		dalek	perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/21065ad2ef
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06:33		cognominal	shoud I file a bug for the erros when typing 'my $a' on the rakudo shell? or has that been already done?
06:34		moritz	moritzjacq:~/p6/rakudo>./perl6
06:34		phenny	moritz: 00:14Z <diakopter> tell moritz disect_longname in rakudo should be dissect_longname :)
06:34		moritz	my $a> my $a
06:34		moritz	Any()
06:34		moritz	doesn't look terribly wrong to me
06:37		cognominal	moritz: https://gist.github.com/3926154
06:38		moritz	that's known and submitted
06:39		cognominal	oops
06:40		cognominal	sorry that was 'my int $a'
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07:36		CharellKing	HI
07:40		sorear	Hello
07:42		CharellKing	you are always here
07:42		CharellKing	Maybe 24 hours
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07:44		azawawi	hi
07:45		azawawi	how do I enable history on perl6 rakudo REPL? i.e. like bash shell being able to go back to previous typed commands.
07:46		sorear	install readline, then rebuild rakudo from scratch
07:46		sorear	need to make sure parrot/ is deleted before rebuilding
07:46		sorear	*install readline development files
07:49		* azawawi	installs http://packages.debian.org/sea[…]s=libreadline-dev
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07:52		* azawawi	installs libicu-dev and libreadline-dev
07:53		azawawi	sorear: thx
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07:56		Woodi	allo today
07:56		cognominal	nr:  use Test;  my @data = 'a' .. 'z';   my @out  = <a e i o u y>;     @data ==> grep {/<[aeiouy]>/} ==> is($(*), $(@out), 'basic test for $(*)');
07:56		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«Unhandled exception: Feed ops NYI␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1443 (die @ 5) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 3360 (infix:<==>> @ 4) ␤  at /tmp/5vaWsUQADg line 1 (mainline @ 6) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting li…
07:56		p6eval	..rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'is'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu $got, Mu $expected, $desc = { ... })␤␤  in block  at /tmp/ZuGOrbgStY:1␤␤»
07:58		Woodi	CharellKing: there is good chance that there is someone here not being afk each hour in the day :) you know, it's like ICQ but better :)
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08:06		jaffa4	hi
08:07		Woodi	backlogging last two days make me think that perl6.org don't contain things we working on or wanting to appear. I mean something like projects or infrastructure parts needed to be improved eg. "we want modules.perl6.org rewrited/merged somewhere else"
08:07		jaffa4	Can someone tell me how to  push a new element into array in a hash?
08:07		Woodi	like: http://trac.parrot.org/parrot
08:07		Woodi	o/ jaffa4
08:09		Woodi	jaffa4: so you have hashes as array elements ?
08:09		jaffa4	no arrays as values in a hash.
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08:13		Woodi	rn: my %h;  my @a = (a,b,c); %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:13		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&a' called (line 1)␤Undefined routine '&b' called (line 1)␤Undefined routine '&c' called (line 1)␤»
08:13		p6eval	..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mâ�¤â�¤Undeclared routines:â�¤    'a' used at line 1â�¤     'b' used at line 1â�¤     'c' used at line 1â�¤â�¤Unhandled exception: Check failedâ�¤â�¤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/boot/lib/CORE.setting line 1437 (die @ 5) â�¤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/src/STD.pm6
08:13		p6eval	..li…
08:13		Woodi	rn: my %h;  my @a = <a,b,c>; %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:13		p6eval	rakudo e765c9, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«a,b,c d␤»
08:14		Woodi	something wrong
08:14		jaffa4	well, well
08:15		jaffa4	r:y %h;  my @a = (a,b,c); %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:15		jaffa4	r:y %h;  my @a = (a,b,c); %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:15		jaffa4	test
08:16		Woodi	you say r:y
08:17		Woodi	and ('a','b','c') need to be used
08:18		jaffa4	r: my %h;  my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; push %h{'a'}, 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:18		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 d␤»
08:18		Woodi	or with < and > braces for auto-quote acording to my asymptotical knowledge :)
08:18		Woodi	oo :)
08:18		Woodi	or just with , :)
08:19		jaffa4	thank you
08:20		Woodi	np
08:20		* Woodi	deserve coffe :)
08:23		jaffa4	r: my %h;  my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; %h{'a'}.push 'd'; say %h{'a'};
08:23		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Confused␤at /tmp/HMPX8U9Jxq:1␤»
08:24		jaffa4	r: my %h;  my @a = 1,2,3 ; %h{'a'} = @a; %h{'a'}.push( 'd'); say %h{'a'};
08:24		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«1 2 3 d␤»
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08:38		cognominal	What is the syntax to reference an non infix opérator to do some introspection?
08:39		GlitchMr	cognominal: &prefix:<+>?
08:40		GlitchMr	Optionally without `&` if all you want to do is call it
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09:31		masak	hi, #Perl6
09:31		phenny	masak: 00:13Z <diakopter> tell masak  r: X[X]  # LTA error imho
09:31		phenny	masak: 00:16Z <diakopter> tell masak same for  r: sub foo(X of X) { }
09:31		phenny	masak: 00:24Z <diakopter> tell masak vivify fail for scalar; work with @ sigil thoughr:  my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({});
09:31		phenny	masak: 00:28Z <diakopter> tell masak hash allowed in array? r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl
09:31		phenny	Further messages sent privately
09:32		masak	r: say "@a[]"
09:32		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in find_method('postcircumfix:<[ ]>')␤  in block  at /tmp/lGMvG30Y3D:1␤␤»
09:32		masak	oh wow.
09:32		* masak	submits rakudobug
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09:37		masak	r: X[X]
09:37		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
09:37		* masak	submits rakudobug
09:38		masak	r: XX
09:38		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤CHECK FAILED:␤Undefined routine '&XX' called (line 1)␤»
09:39		masak	r: X
09:39		p6eval	rakudo e765c9:  ( no output )
09:42		masak	std: X[X]
09:42		p6eval	std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0mâ�¤Undeclared name:â�¤    'X' used at line 1,1â�¤Check failedâ�¤FAILED 00:00 42mâ�¤Â»
09:43		masak	r: sub foo(X of X) { }
09:43		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Method 'parameterize' not found for invocant of class 'Perl6::Metamodel::PackageHOW'␤»
09:43		* masak	submits rakudobug
09:43		masak	std: sub foo(X of X) { }
09:43		p6eval	std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�In parameter declaration, typename 'X' must be predeclared (or marked as declarative with :: prefix) at /tmp/npYhuHAAfP line 1:�------> sub foo(X� of X) { }�Parse failed�FAILED 00:00 42m�»
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09:45		masak	r: my Array of Associative $a; $a.push({});
09:45		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Type check failed in assignment to '$a'; expected 'Array+{TypedArray}' but got 'Array'␤  in sub infix:<=> at src/gen/CORE.setting:11732␤  in method push at src/gen/CORE.setting:1253␤  in block  at /tmp/2SicZ3R81i:1␤␤»
09:46		masak	r: my Array of Associative @a; @a.push({});
09:46		p6eval	rakudo e765c9:  ( no output )
09:46		masak	if the former worked and the latter didn't, I'd be less surprised.
09:46		masak	the latter should declare an array of arrays of associative.
09:47		masak	r: say {} ~~ Positional; my Array of Positional @a; @a.push({}); say @a.perl
09:47		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«False␤Array+{TypedArray}.new({})␤»
09:47		masak	yeah, I don't follow. something feels weird here.
09:47		masak	I won't submit rakudobugs on that until someone explains it to me :)
09:52		jaffa4	if I use our in a sub, it still get variable not found in another sub. .Is that correct?
09:54		jaffa4	masak?
09:57		azawawi	Found a bug in File::Spec https://github.com/FROGGS/p6-File-Spec/issues/1
09:58		masak	jaffa4: that is correct.
09:59		masak	jaffa4: you have to declare variables, even our variables, in order to be able to use them.
09:59		masak	however...
09:59		masak	r: sub foo { our $x = 42 }; sub bar { say our $x }; foo; bar
09:59		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«42␤»
09:59		masak	there *is* some cross-lexpad communication going on.
09:59		jaffa4	our declares in global scope
09:59		masak	yeah, that's where you're wrong.
09:59		jaffa4	It should be visible in another subs, should it not?
10:00		masak	see eval above.
10:00		lumi__	jaffa4: No, it declares a package variable, but the name is only in scope lexically, I think
10:00		masak	correct.
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10:01		jaffa4	that is interesing
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10:02		jaffa4	I see potentials bugs in here for future Perl 6 developers
10:02		masak	actually, we had a narrowing in semantics exactly there as part of the switch over to nom.
10:02		masak	jaffa4: yeah, one has to think a little differently about 'our' compared to Perl 5, that is true.
10:03		masak	personally, I've bought into the reasons for the change. YMMV.
10:03		lumi__	Lexicalize all the things!
10:04		masak	that's us.
10:05		masak	jaffa4: and yes, the change makes 'our' variables one notch less useful in Perl 6, in the sense that people will end up using them less often. such is life. we have other, nicer features that people can rely on instead.
10:06		jaffa4	Like what?
10:06		masak	from my point of view, the main reason to use 'our' in Perl 6 is to make a variable (or sub) visible from outside of a package.
10:07		masak	as to what other features to use instead of 'our', I don't have a ready-made answer. :) generally, I'm not so inclined to use 'our' in that way in the first place.
10:07		masak	so all the examples I can think of are artificial.
10:07		masak	&
10:08		jaffa4	&?
10:12		au	(&, as in fading to background)
10:27		* azawawi	farabi6 can now launch its webserver and the editor is visible in the browser :)
10:28		jnthn	azawawi: ooh :)
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10:35		* azawawi	integrates Perlito with Farabi6
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10:49		cognominal_	http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-10-21#i_6083925  thx GlitchMr, I hae a loosy connexion and there is no way to know if what I type in xhchat will have make it. I answered to myself as I often did but ig got lost.
10:50		cognominal_	one should not type the operator as in the grammar, say  infix:sym<,>  but infix:<,>
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11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 8bbf1cb | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P6Regex/ (2 files):
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Give P6Regex code objects in standalone mode.
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: This means that it now no longer depends on BlockMemo, and thus will
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: not use nqpattr either.
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/8bbf1cbd69
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 8d698e3 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Update bootstrap.
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/8d698e3111
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: e0d7900 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Remove remaining nqpattr calls.
11:24		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/e0d7900761
11:27		am0c	jnthn++
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 4248b7f | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P5Regex/ (2 files):
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Update P5Regex to avoid BlockMemo/nqpattr.
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4248b7f7ab
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 94ff05c | jnthn++ | src/core/NQPRoutine.pm:
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Remove two more (now-unused) nqpattr methods.
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/94ff05c75e
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 903ce78 | jnthn++ | / (3 files):
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Eliminate QAST::BlockMemo, now nqpattr is gone.
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: It was always just a hack to provide for nqpattr, and has no other
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: purpose.
11:40		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/903ce78ebd
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11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 2957383 | jnthn++ | src/stage0/ (9 files):
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Another bootstrap update.
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Fully eliminates nqpattr usage and QAST::BlockMemo.
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/295738389d
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: 68aa467 | jnthn++ | / (3 files):
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Eliminate nqpattr cheat implementation.
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: With this, we're down to just 2 .pir non-generated .pir files in NQP.
11:48		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/68aa4679ae
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12:12		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: d8ff663 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P5Regex/ (2 files):
12:12		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Copy of copy-pastos; kboga++.
12:12		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d8ff663255
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12:36		azawawi	what's the expected things for rakudo 2012.10? more performance? more p6 support?
12:39		jnthn	azawawi: The 2012.10 compiler release is already cut, so the Rakudo Star that ships with it will have the things in the ChangeLog for 2012.10. :) But yes, the things you mention plus bug fixes.
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12:41		* azawawi	looks at the changelog
12:41		jnthn	The debugger goes into R* and that has some improvements this month too.
12:42		* jnthn	is working on a blog post about those
12:45		* azawawi	advocates https://github.com/azawawi/farabi6 :)
12:46		GlitchMr	azawawi: http://glitchmr.github.com/per[…]nges-2012W40.html, http://glitchmr.github.com/per[…]nges-2012W41.html and http://glitchmr.github.com/per[…]nges-2012W42.html
12:46		GlitchMr	That would be 2012.10
12:46		GlitchMr	Everything in those posts was added in 2012.10
12:47		azawawi	GlitchMr: thx
12:49		GlitchMr	https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=55371
12:49		GlitchMr	/* if (PHP_VERSION < 6) {
12:49		GlitchMr	$theValue = get_magic_quotes_gpc() ? stripslashes($theValue) : $theValue;
12:49		GlitchMr	}*/
12:49		GlitchMr	WTH?
12:49		GlitchMr	I through that most of PHP code is bad... but that goes above bad.
12:54		[Coke]	Where should a test for https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket[…]lay.html?id=76946 go? I have a test, but it seems like we need a "weird rakudo regression" spectest file. :)
12:56		[Coke]	ah. integration/weird_errors, I suppose.
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13:04		jnthn	[Coke]: There or where the other tests for .= are (I guess in S12-methods somewhere)
13:07		[Coke]	r: https://gist.github.com/3926907
13:07		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Missing block␤at /tmp/eNfJQ9VFpO:7␤»
13:08		[Coke]	Can someone point out what I'm doing wrong there?
13:10		azawawi	I have a question about panda... where does it install other shared files... e.g. lib/YourFiles/share
13:11		azawawi	and what is the ~/.perl6 for?
13:14		jnthn	r: say X::Adhoc
13:14		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«Could not find symbol '&Adhoc'␤  in method <anon> at src/gen/CORE.setting:9955␤  in  at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2401␤  in any find_method_fallback at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:2389␤  in any find_method at src/gen/Metamodel.pm:925␤  in  at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:827␤  in any …
13:14		jnthn	r: say X::AdHoc
13:14		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«X::AdHoc()␤»
13:14		jnthn	[Coke]: Capitalization.
13:14		[Coke]	That seems LTA.
13:17		[Coke]	jnthn++
13:18		jnthn	STD manages a better error there. I think we have a ticket about getting Rakudo to.
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: e6b9101 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/Cursor.nqp:
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Don't booleanize code objects in Cursor.
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Now that $!regexsub is the actual code object, boolifying it doesn't
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: play well with Perl 6 code objects.
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/e6b9101c92
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: deb59ee | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/P6Regex/Actions.nqp:
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Do store the NFA of standalone regexes.
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr:
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: Turns out that the current way we do gen_op in Rakudo needs that. (Yes,
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: this will change soon, but this is the easiest way for now.)
13:18		dalek	nqp/kill-nqpattr: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/deb59eeab0
13:19		[Coke]	jnthn: excellent, I'm trying to close a ticket, I didn't want to opena new one! :)
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13:26		felher	rn: say 'ABC' ~~ / :i ^ < a b c abc > $ /
13:26		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«#<failed match>␤»
13:26		p6eval	..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«#<match from(0) to(3) text(ABC) pos([].list) named({}.hash)>␤»
13:27		dalek	roast: 33c0502 | coke++ | integration/weird-errors.t:
13:27		dalek	roast: Add test for RT #76946
13:27		dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/33c05029ec
13:28		jnthn	r: "ABC" ~~ / ABC /
13:28		p6eval	rakudo e765c9:  ( no output )
13:29		jnthn	r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i abc /
13:29		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«｢ABC｣␤␤»
13:29		jnthn	r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i [ a | abc ] /
13:29		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«｢ABC｣␤␤»
13:29		jnthn	r: say "ABC" ~~ / :i < a abc > /
13:29		p6eval	rakudo e765c9: OUTPUT«#<failed match>␤»
13:29		jnthn	wtf. The latter is meant to be syntactic sugar for the first.
13:30		dalek	Heuristic branch merge: pushed 32 commits to nqp by jnthn
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: d4a9b19 | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: Rakudo updates for nqpattr removal.
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom:
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: Also bumps NQP_REVISION to get the kill-nqpattr merge. gen_op gets a
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: bit messier in this, but the categorically-better branch eliminates
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: the code that needed an update here anyway.
13:31		dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/d4a9b19daa
13:33		felher	jnthn: i could imagine this being the same problem as either https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Publi[…]lay.html?id=76500 or https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Publi[…]lay.html?id=77410 ?
13:34		dalek	rakudo/nom: 978492e | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
13:34		dalek	rakudo/nom: Respect :i in < foo bar > syntax.
13:34		dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/978492eb1d
13:35		jnthn	felher: Wasn't actually the deep problem I already fixed, just needed a tweak to the < foo bar > compilation.
13:35		felher	jnthn++ :)
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13:39		dalek	roast: 63938fd | jnthn++ | S05-modifier/ignorecase.t:
13:39		dalek	roast: Add test for :i and quote words.
13:39		dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/63938fd83a
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13:40		[Coke]	I don't know if it's peculiar to the perl installation of RT, but the auto-wrapping of emails is painful. as is the unicode mangling.
13:41		[Coke]	I have no desire to switch over to github, but blah.
13:41		[Coke]	(I wouldn't mind /being on github/), but switching? no.
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13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: b866287 | moritz++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: RT #115356: redeclaring a class as a role
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/b866287671
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: e765c99 | coke++ | t/spectest.data:
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Run test for RT #77596
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/e765c99f4c
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: d4a9b19 | jnthn++ | / (4 files):
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Rakudo updates for nqpattr removal.
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better:
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Also bumps NQP_REVISION to get the kill-nqpattr merge. gen_op gets a
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: bit messier in this, but the categorically-better branch eliminates
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: the code that needed an update here anyway.
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/d4a9b19daa
13:44		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: 978492e | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Actions.pm:
13:46		[Coke]	jnthn: you were right, it's already reported as 88748
13:47		jnthn	:)
13:47		jnthn	Time for a break, bbl
13:49		masak	diakopter: your latest sets of fuzzings makes me feel like Rakudo has more lingering "early warts" (a la 2008) than I thought.
13:49		masak	of course, you're not following the common paths, which is kind of the point.
13:49		masak	but still.
13:58		[Coke]	is there a way to CATCH a "CHECK FAILED" error?
13:58		jnthn	masak: How do you conclude that?
13:58		jnthn	masak: They all look like LTA errors, aside from the "@foo[]" one.
13:58		[Coke]	(there must be because the REPL doesn't die.)
13:59		jnthn	masak: And diakopter may well have found that one by reading the comment in Actions.pm that explains this issue and why it's not immediately easy to fix.
13:59		masak	jnthn: yes. the "@a[]" one was perhaps the most surprising.
13:59		masak	oh!
13:59		* masak	hunts down that comment
14:01		masak	# XXX Move to HLL::Actions after NQP gets QAST.
14:01		masak	heh :)
14:01		masak	someone could do that now :)
14:08		masak	no, I didn't find a comment in Actions.pm regarding why "@a[]" is non-trivial.
14:08		masak	hints welcome.
14:09		jnthn	huh, it's the only hit for "@ in the file...
14:09		jnthn	[Coke]: They can be caught like any error if you're eval'ing code
14:09		masak	jnthn: found it.
14:09		jnthn	You can't catch them for the current file because it never makes it to runtime. :)
14:11		masak	I don't understand the problem.
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14:11		masak	if it's "@a", it shouldn't interpolate. if it's "@a[]", it should, and thus the variable needs to exist.
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14:18		jnthn	And at the point you're in the action method for @a, you didn't parse the [] yet.
14:19		jnthn	I think the comment is really saying "at the point we do the check, we don't know what's coming up"
14:19		jnthn	Good starting point for a fix is probably to look at if STD gets it right, and if so how.
14:20		masak	clearly you can't do the right thing before you've parsed the []
14:20		masak	because you'll only be doing the declaredness check if there is one.
14:21		masak	so you'll have to establish a "conditional promise" or something.
14:21		masak	hm, that's an interesting notion. kind of like a phaser.
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14:25		masak	but you don't need a language construct for that, I think. just closures :)
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14:30		jnthn	STD does it with the $*VAR contextual
14:31		jnthn	See termish
14:33		masak	aye. I see it.
14:33		masak	seems sensible.
14:33		masak	the "conditional promise" is conveyed through the contextual.
14:35		jnthn	*nod*
14:35		jnthn	If you feel like hacking on it some time, feel free :)
14:35		masak	ok :)
14:35		jnthn	If your Rakudo tuits aren't too tired up with macros ;)
14:36		masak	"tired up" is a nice melange of "tired" and "tied up" :P
14:40		jnthn	hah...I meant tied :P
14:41		* masak	.oO( the 's' and 'm' modifiers are gone. probably the memory of them was too painful... )
14:42		azawawi	old question; how much is std.pm can rakudo run?
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14:42		azawawi	old question; how much from std.pm can rakudo run?
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14:42		masak	quite a lot.
14:43		masak	maybe... all of it, at this point?
14:43		jnthn	Not sure
14:43		jnthn	I know that even NQP can manage a good bit of it though
14:44		azawawi	Since in Farabi i have to use viv to report errors accurately and use rakudo/niecza as a runtime
14:44		jnthn	It's kind of a convergence process :)
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16:04		azawawi	https://github.com/azawawi/far[…]158e106dff1bf64af
16:04		azawawi	# Run Perl 6 code using Perltio 6 JS
16:04		azawawi	# in Farabi6 :)
16:10		au	azawawi: I wonder if one can create a gh-pages branch and move lib/Farabi6/files/* into the root directory :)
16:10		au	i.e. so it can run as a single-page app in http://azawawi.github.com/farabi6/
16:15		azawawi	au: right now im experimenting with a perl 6 backend
16:17		au	*nod*
16:18		azawawi	panda does not seem to bundle stuff well
16:18		azawawi	im confused about the .perl6 directory and what it should contain
16:20		azawawi	if bundle js resources under lib/XYZ/files... where should it be installed?
16:20		azawawi	s/if/if i/
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16:32		moritz	r: say 'ß'.uc
16:32		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«ß␤»
16:32		moritz	n: say 'ß'.uc
16:32		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«ß␤»
16:33		moritz	rakudo--
16:33		moritz	niecza--
16:33		moritz	p: say 'ß'.uc
16:33		p6eval	pugs: OUTPUT«ß␤»
16:33		moritz	pugs--
16:37		jnthn	prn: say "wir sind alle scheiße in deutsch".uc
16:37		p6eval	rakudo 978492, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf, pugs: OUTPUT«WIR SIND ALLE SCHEIßE IN DEUTSCH␤»
16:37		jnthn	Hm, how on earth do we make that work in the NFA, I wonder...
16:38		jnthn	That'll need some care.
16:38		jnthn	:)
16:39		moritz	jnthn: as [ß|SS]
16:40		jnthn	moritz: Yeah, will just have to take special notice of those cases.
16:40		moritz	well, actually [ß|SS|Ss|sS|ss]
16:40		jnthn	o.O
16:41		jnthn	Really? sS too?
16:41		masak	scheisSe.
16:41		jnthn	Das ist es.
16:42		* jnthn	wonders what these things foldcase too
16:42		moritz	$ perl -CS -Mutf8 -wE 'say "sS" =~ /ß/i'
16:42		moritz	1
16:42		moritz	jnthn: to ss all
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16:47		nwc10	$ perl -le 'print "\x{DF}\x{100}" =~ /ss/i'
16:47		nwc10	1
16:47		nwc10	$ perl -le 'print "\x{DF}\x{100}" =~ /(s)(s)/i'
16:47		nwc10	$
16:48		nwc10	(this IRC client isn't sure how to do Unicode)
16:48		nwc10	but the character class inversion of \x{DF} is quite fun too.
16:49		nwc10	(case insensitively)
16:49		nwc10	(conceptually)
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17:32		era32	I want to do http://codegolf.stackexchange.[…]rint-this-diamond
17:32		era32	Currently I've this: say " "x(9-$_),(1 x$_)**2 for 1..9,(8...1)
17:32		era32	Any ideas how can I shorten it?
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17:42		jnthn	era32: Hm, that's already quite short... :)
17:43		jnthn	x(9-$_) doesn't need the parens I think
17:43		jnthn	Still need a space between x and 9, but it can save a char I think
17:44		era32	Thanks :-)
17:45		* moritz	likes the (1 x $_) ** 2 trick
17:45		jnthn	I was trying to work out a way to have 0..8 or so so that you can use ^8 there
17:46		era32	http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8768/3103
17:46		era32	:-)
17:46		diakopter	masak: I don't know about that; my perspective hasn't changed. I don't think they're big deals enough to call warts
17:47		era32	I find this " " ugly, but whatever
17:47		diakopter	maybe moles
17:47		era32	In Perl 5, I would do $", but I don't think I can do that in Perl 6 ;-)
17:47		diakopter	although moles implies more permanent; maybe pimple is better
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17:49		moritz	you can still write chr(20) instead :-)
17:49		era32	Except that's longer
17:49		era32	This is code golf
17:49		moritz	I know, hence the smiley :-)
17:50		era32	20.chr would be shorter, but still too long
17:51		era32	I was thinking about using map, but 1. it would be longer, 2. isn't map lazy?
17:51		moritz	it is
17:52		era32	Also: http://codegolf.stackexchange.[…]e-given-languages
17:53		era32	I find it interesting that the shortest solution looks like: main;
17:53		era32	I'm surprised to see it compiles
17:53		jaffa4	IS this a regular experssion error message: Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead?
17:53		jaffa4
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17:54		era32	But... shouldn't / in context of term a regular expression?
17:54		era32	std: a / b /
17:55		p6eval	std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Undeclared routine:� 'a' used at line 1�Check failed�FAILED 00:00 42m�»
17:55		era32	std: print / b /
17:55		p6eval	std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«ok 00:00 42m␤»
17:55		jaffa4	std: /^\-p=(.+)$/
17:55		p6eval	std 64edd1c: OUTPUT«===[0mSORRY!===[0m�Unrecognized regex metacharacter = (must be quoted to match literally) at /tmp/MOF8j5EIf9 line 1:�------> /^\-p=�(.+)$/�Unable to parse regex; couldn't find final '/' at /tmp/MOF8j5EIf9 line 1:�------> /^\-p=[33…
17:55		jaffa4	raudo: /^\-p=(.+)$/
17:55		jaffa4	r: /^\-p=(.+)$/
17:55		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead␤at /tmp/MsgRqZ6v6o:1␤»
17:56		jnthn	Hmm
17:56		era32	what the...
17:56		diakopter	rn: foo (sub foo { })
17:56		era32	Rakudo usually has less detailed error messages...
17:56		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«Too many positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 0␤  in sub foo at /tmp/8wUGlOvxVJ:1␤  in block  at /tmp/8wUGlOvxVJ:1␤␤»
17:56		p6eval	..niecza v22-14-g136ddcf:  ( no output )
17:56		era32	The error is about =, but...
17:56		era32	This error message is really wrong
17:57		jnthn	My guess is that somehow the parser ends up falling out of regex parsing, at which point you get the "huh, I didn't find any term" error.
17:57		era32	I mean, "but found infix 'whatever'"  doesn't even normally happen in Rakudo. Usually all I see is "Confused"
17:57		felher	Shouldn't that work (i.e: just write binary, not encode anything to utf-8): http://bpaste.net/show/52645/ ?
17:57		jnthn	era32: It's trying to do better than "Confused" here
17:58		jaffa4	not very useful error message
17:58		jnthn	jaffa4: It can be.
17:58		era32	Rakudo currently doesn't have very good error messages for syntax errors.
17:58		era32	Usually Niecza is better at that.
17:58		jnthn	But it shouldn't have failed to parse the regex in this way here.
17:59		era32	But it's first "but found instead" error message I've seen from Rakudo
17:59		era32	r: /=/
17:59		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Unrecognized regex metacharacter = (must be quoted to match literally) at line 2, near "/"␤»
17:59		jnthn	Right, it gets it in this case.
17:59		era32	r: /p=/
17:59		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead␤at /tmp/sK7JYdNG8b:1␤»
17:59		era32	ok
17:59		jnthn	Hmm
17:59		era32	> /
18:00		era32	Preceding context expects a term, but found infix / instead
18:00		era32	That would make sense
18:00		jnthn	Yeah
18:00		jnthn	I'm not sure what's going on
18:00		jnthn	I guess --rxtrace -e "/p=/" may be interesting to study.
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18:01		era32	Perhaps it backtracks at =... it backtracks so much that it thinks it's not regular expression
18:01		era32	And because it's not regular expression, it sees / that is infix operator.
18:01		era32	And reports error message
18:02		jnthn	era32: Yes, that's what's happening
18:02		jnthn	Something is missing to stop it backtracking so far.
18:03		jaffa4	What about this: print <<EOF;
18:04		era32	We don't have shell style heredocs anymore
18:04		era32	I think we have q:to today
18:05		jaffa4	ok
18:05		era32	Yet, I think that STD.pm6 should have error when it detects something that looks like heredoc
18:06		era32	... but that would be difficult as << >> are quotes
18:06		era32	niecza> << a {'a b'}>>.perl
18:06		era32	("a", "a", "b").list
18:07		era32	r: << a {'a b'}>>.perl.say
18:07		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«("a", "\{'a", "b'}")␤»
18:07		era32	What could happen here?
18:07		era32	Oh, lack of interpolation
18:07		jnthn	Not implemented those yet.
18:07		* jnthn	has been looking at quoting stuff overall recently and is planning to take on some of it
18:08		jnthn	That and heredocs are two of the things I want to do.
18:08		flussence	I can haz q:to? :D
18:08		jnthn	flussence: Yeah. I wanna get through the categoricals fixes/improvements I'm working on first, though.
18:09		flussence	of course, I can wait :)
18:10		jaffa4	q:to is not implemented, right?
18:10		flussence	n: say q:to<a>␤b␤a␤
18:10		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«b␤␤»
18:10		era32	I would like to have some <<HEREDOC detection in STD.pm6... perhaps detection of ' or " after <<...
18:11		era32	Or some uppercase word character?
18:11		flussence	for certain values of the junction "implemented", almost everything is...
18:12		era32	Perhaps forcing space just after << (qw, but with interpolation) would work
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18:13		era32	« » form of those is preffered anyways. And interpolation in qw[] isn't something you use often... but perhaps that's because of lack of implementation in Rakudo.
18:13		era32	Perhaps force space unless character after << is $ or @ or % or {?
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18:15		era32	Also, is it just me, or Niecza appears to be more complete Perl 6 implementation?
18:16		era32	compared to Rakudo
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18:17		era32	But perhaps it's just because Rakudo's parser still isn't even close to STD.pm6.
18:17		flussence	depends on what your criteria for completeness is. Right now I've got code sitting around that works in neither
18:18		era32	When Niecza uses slightly modified version of STD.pm6
18:19		jnthn	era32: See http://www.perl6.org/compilers/features for an overview of features
18:19		era32	All Niecza really lacks for me is socket support
18:19		era32	I wonder if calling C# methods directly would work
18:20		era32	s/C\#/.NET/
18:21		era32	https://raw.github.com/mj41/Pe[…]0-%20GoodData.png
18:21		era32	This says that Rakudo is 83%... but I have feeling that another 17% will take longer time than that 83%...
18:22		jnthn	era32: The problem is that the things in that list take hugely different amounts of time to implement.
18:22		era32	Implementing heredocs would be 1% further the goal
18:23		era32	Yeah. .rand, .pick and .roll sound very easy to implement.
18:23		jnthn	Yes, and it would also take a bunch less effort than, say, compact arrays
18:23		era32	Similarly, trigonometric functions are even easier.
18:23		era32	... but there is a catch
18:24		era32	Perl 6 has lots of trig functions!
18:24		jnthn	Thankfully, those are already green :)
18:24		era32	And is TrigBase implemented in Rakudo or Niecza?
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18:25		jnthn	Not sure off hand
18:25		era32	Isn't TrigBase required to be green in trigonometric functions?
18:25		era32	Perhaps it should be replaced with yellow...
18:25		jnthn	Or a separate item, maybe.
18:26		era32	Whatever I do, it will decrease number of percents
18:26		era32	Unless I do nothing about that
18:26		sorear	good * #perl6
18:26		jnthn	Well, the features page only captures one angle of things too.
18:27		jnthn	"there's a bug in some corner case" doesn't prevent giving a thing green. Overall it's "what can I expect to basically work"
18:27		sorear	rn: say 1, 2 X[+] 10, 20
18:28		p6eval	rakudo 978492, niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«11 21 12 22␤»
18:28		era32	At least this feature page doesn't have nonsense like .chars method.
18:28		* jnthn	gets back to working towards turning one more of the reds into a green
18:28		era32	Obviously if you implement string type you should have basic methods like .chars.
18:28		jnthn	Well, the yak shaving for... :)
18:28		moritz	hasn't TrigBased been removed?
18:29		era32	moritz: http://perlcabal.org/syn/S32/N[…]ometric_functions
18:29		era32	It's still in specification
18:29		sorear	era32: niecza has basic socket support now
18:29		era32	:-)
18:29		tadzik	good evening
18:29		era32	Is it good enough to let's say... create IRC bot?
18:30		jnthn	o/ tadzik
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18:30		tadzik	there are irc bots running already
18:30		sorear	o/ tadzik
18:31		jnthn	tadzik: Some panda question in the backlog
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18:31		era32	https://gist.github.com/3928017
18:31		era32	I still have no idea what .arg method does in Ruby...
18:31		era32	Ruby is so confusing
18:32		tadzik	jnthn: care to copypaste? I'm on the phone, sorry
18:33		jnthn	tadzik: azawawi wanted to know about bundling additional files so that they get installed. Details at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl[…]2-10-21#i_6084570
18:36		era32	Also... matching /(s)(s)/i sounds impossible...
18:36		era32	This is the problem with characters like ß
18:39		tadzik	azaw<TAB><TAB>
18:39		tadzik	:(
18:42		dalek	panda: 97572e5 | moritz++ | ext/Test__Mock/lib/Test/Mock.pm:
18:42		dalek	panda: [Test::Mock] update to new version that does not warn
18:42		dalek	panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/97572e5a52
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19:27		benabik	era32: From ruby-doc.org: arg, angle, phase = Returns 0 if the value is positive, pi otherwise
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19:53		azawawi	tadzik: ping :) TAB TAB
19:55		* masak	.oO( he was tabbed in the back! )
19:55		azawawi	masak: :)
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19:59		azawawi	masak: so im using now IO::Socket::INET in Farabi6... directly to do HTTP requests... i filed a couple of bugs regarding HTTP::Client and LWP::Simple
19:59		masak	nice.
19:59		masak	azawawi++
19:59		azawawi	so when is the expected date for rakudo 2012.10 release?
20:00		jnthn	The Rakudo Star release for a month is typically made in the week following the compiler release.
20:00		jnthn	So, sometime in the coming week
20:00		jnthn	Not sure who'll make it.
20:01		azawawi	a quick question. How do i list modules in the Setting? the ones that i cant 'use'  before using :)
20:01		azawawi	i need that for autocomplete and Help POD generation
20:03		masak	azawawi: check which ones are defined in src/core in Rakudo?
20:03		grondilu	rn: .say for <a b> SX[~] <c d>;
20:03		p6eval	niecza v22-14-g136ddcf: OUTPUT«ac␤ad␤bc␤bd␤»
20:03		p6eval	..rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«No such method 'postcircumfix:<( )>' for invocant of type 'List'␤  in  at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:852␤  in any  at src/gen/BOOTSTRAP.pm:836␤  in block  at /tmp/CiS1Tm0Jrc:1␤␤»
20:03		grondilu	NYI I guess
20:04		jnthn	r: say CORE::.keys.grep(/^\w/)
20:04		p6eval	rakudo 978492: OUTPUT«Match Buf GatherIter Numeric Stringy Rational i Backtrace Mu Failure Any Cool Attribute Signature Parameter Code AST MapIter Block CallFrame Range Routine Sub Method tai-utc Submethod Duration Regex Instant Str Int Num DateTime Date Parcel Dateish Iterable Iterator…
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20:07		azawawi	masak: i dont see any POD in rakudo/src/core
20:07		masak	azawawi: no, there's just module files.
20:07		masak	I meant "defined" as in "defined in code".
20:07		* azawawi	takes a look at https://github.com/perl6/doc
20:12		dalek	nqp: f8df485 | jnthn++ | src/core/NQPRoutine.pm:
20:12		dalek	nqp: Add some missing methods in NQPRegex.
20:12		dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f8df485033
20:12		dalek	nqp: 8aa7fe1 | jnthn++ | src/ (4 files):
20:12		dalek	nqp: Handle genericity of NFAs for regexes in roles.
20:12		dalek	nqp:
20:12		dalek	nqp: Make it so that if you have a regex that mentions a variable that is
20:12		dalek	nqp: a role parameter, then a generic version of the NFA will be saved. As
20:12		dalek	nqp: the regex is incoprorated into the concrete role, this generic NFA is
20:12		dalek	nqp: turned into a concrete one with the value of the role parameter being
20:12		dalek	nqp: substituted in.Thus it participates fully in LTM.
20:12		dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/8aa7fe1d58
20:13		jnthn	That was a mildly fiddly patch to write... :)
20:14		masak	:)
20:15		masak	oh wow, I hadn't even *thought* of regexes with role parameters in them.
20:15		jnthn	Things you didn't realize STD relied on... ;)
20:16		jnthn	Now I've just gotta deal with these braids...
20:17		sorear	masak: Worse, STD relies on regexes with role parameters participating fully in LTM
20:17		masak	oh, right.
20:18		masak	I did know that part, actually.
20:18		masak	things having to do with stoppers and stuff are parameterizable.
20:18		jnthn	sorear: Yeah, that's the bit I just implemented. :)
20:19		jnthn	If we're really lucky, I even got it rightish...
20:20		azawawi	so to use panda and p6doc which are bundled inside rakudo star 2012.09, the PATH variable needs to includes modules/panda/bin and modules/doc/bin, right?
20:22		azawawi	p6doc is not in rakduo/install/bin. any reason why?
20:22		azawawi	im asking too many questions, right?
20:24		jnthn	azawawi: The questions are fine, I just suspect the folks who could answer them are pmichaud or maybe moritz, and they ain't here right now.
20:25		jnthn	My guess at the answers is "seems so" and "not sure, maybe no good reasons as making people add multiple things to their path seems odd"
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: 70b4b22 | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/ (2 files):
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Get eval with custom operators to work again.
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better:
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: It stopped working because it relied on global grammar modification
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: before, which won't fly now we're doing mixins.
20:46		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/70b4b22f79
20:53		tadzik	azawawi: TAB TAB
20:53		azawawi	tadzik: hi
20:53		tadzik	hellio
20:54		tadzik	so, you have JS in lib/
20:54		azawawi	tadzik: thanks first for panda... great work! :)
20:54		tadzik	thank you :)
20:54		azawawi	yeah lib/Farabi6/files
20:54		azawawi	https://github.com/azawawi/far[…]lib/Farabi6/files to be exact
20:55		azawawi	panda install seems not to put them in ~/.perl6
20:55		tadzik	yes
20:56		tadzik	I only made panda handle .pm(6) and .pod
20:56		tadzik	didn't really expect anything else in lib/ :)
20:56		tadzik	it should probably copy over all the things it doesn't recognize
20:57		azawawi	yup
20:57		tadzik	I don't know how it is in Perl 5
20:57		azawawi	it is basically that or share directory
20:57		flussence	I dunno about the *right* way to do it, but $dayjob just runs things from the source directory...
20:58		azawawi	farabi6 is basically a perl6 backend with a js editor frontend
20:58		azawawi	so i need to find out where it is stored via $?FILE
20:59		azawawi	i know it is installed in src in rakudo though but that is weird
20:59		azawawi	since i bundled it inside lib/Farabi6 to get namespace protection
21:03		dalek	nqp: d3b8c89 | jnthn++ | src/QRegex/NFA.nqp:
21:03		dalek	nqp: Fix a thinko.
21:03		dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d3b8c896e1
21:05		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: 2ad86ea | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/Grammar.pm:
21:05		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Remove premature optimization.
21:05		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better:
21:05		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Need to always update %?LANG.
21:05		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/2ad86ea0b3
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21:45		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: 78cf73f | jnthn++ | src/Perl6/World.pm:
21:45		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: Process categoricals at import time.
21:45		dalek	rakudo/categorically-better: review: https://github.com/rakudo/raku[…]commit/78cf73f7fa
21:55		masak	'night, #perl6
21:58		Hor|zon	masak: night
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22:08		dalek	nqp: f90a081 | jnthn++ | src/ (3 files):
22:08		dalek	nqp: Fix interaction of action methods and ::(...).
22:08		dalek	nqp:
22:08		dalek	nqp: This gets custom circumfixes working again in categorically-better.
22:08		dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f90a0814a0
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22:16		jnthn	sleep &
22:16		rindolf	Hi all.
22:16		rindolf	jnthn: night.
22:21		japhb	o/
22:21		rindolf	japhb: what's up?
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22:24		japhb	rindolf, just finishing catching up with IRC, about to hop back into perl6-bench coding
22:24		japhb	you?
22:26		rindolf	japhb: been working on http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/
22:28		japhb	rindolf, ah, looks like a fun pastime.  :-)
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: a880c85 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | components.json:
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: Add build steps for rakudo and niecza to components.json.  Currently the rakudo build steps are vastly more paranoid than niecza's.
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/a880c85942
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: fd9e390 | (Geoffrey Broadwell)++ | bench:
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: Continue fleshing out build command
22:29		dalek	perl6-bench: review: https://github.com/japhb/perl6[…]commit/fd9e3901e6
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22:36		gaussblurinc	hello! what about news of perl6? is there any good news or upcoming events?
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22:38		japhb	gaussblurinc, You happen to have stopped by when the most active event-goers amongst us are asleep.
22:39		japhb	gaussblurinc, How far back since the last time you looked for news on Perl 6?
22:40		gaussblurinc	2010, may, yapc :\
22:40		japhb	gaussblurinc, Ah, it's been quite a while then!  A lot of good implementation work has been going on over the last 2 1/2 years.
22:40		japhb	Have you tried a recent Rakudo Star release?
22:41		gaussblurinc	no, find it on github now and starting to download
22:42		japhb	Perfect.  It's a monthly release, and the stuff it's dependent on has already released for this month, so 2012.10 should be coming in the next week or so.
22:44		gaussblurinc	good, what about 'happy birthday' or something? is it really stable release?
22:47		japhb	It's an iterative release.  In the Perl 6 world, we generally don't have big landmark releases.  We just release something better, month after month, for several years now.
22:48		japhb	There are bugs; we fix them.  There are omissions; we fill them.  And so it goes.
23:00		gaussblurinc	thanks for information!
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