Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2013-09-13

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00:59 tadzik ingy: it's źblog, actually
01:01 timotimo oh, tadzik is here
01:01 timotimo i was about to test installing patched-panda with patched-panda on parrot
01:02 timotimo apart from taking 3 minutes to do so, it seems to work
01:02 timotimo but rakudo being slow is old news ;)
01:04 tadzik oh, I'm here
01:04 timotimo yeah, it works
01:04 tadzik patched panda, as in donaldh's PR?
01:05 timotimo tadzik: do you want to merge the pr?
01:05 timotimo yes, that's the one
01:05 timotimo exciting times :)
01:05 tadzik sure I do
01:05 tadzik I'd like to test it first though :)
01:05 timotimo i just did
01:05 tadzik preferably on the latest compiler release
01:05 timotimo but go ahead :)
01:05 tadzik I think panda should work on the latest compiler release
01:05 timotimo ah, that's a good point.
01:05 timotimo but that makes it hard, because it needs that patch from rakudo to work - at least on jvm
01:05 tadzik but now I'm drunk and tired, and I'm flying to FRA tomorrow
01:05 tadzik so I think I'll catch some sleep :)
01:06 tadzik patch from rakudo?
01:06 timotimo yes, it's already in
01:06 timotimo but not in the latest compiler release
01:06 tadzik isn't the latest compiler release very soon?
01:07 tadzik in the future, I mean
01:10 tadzik sleep time. The night is dark and full of terrors
01:10 tadzik g'night, #perl6
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01:41 dalek doc: 1b5b120 | Mouq++ | htmlify.pl:
01:41 dalek doc: Actually use uri_encode on links
01:41 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/1b5b120c3f
01:43 Mouq Well, uri_escape.
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02:24 thou Mouq++ Thanks, I'd seen that a while ago and then forgot about it.
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03:37 Mouq BenGoldberg++ # evalbot issue. I didn't even know it was a github perl6/repo
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05:03 BenGoldberg :)
05:03 BenGoldberg Goodnight
05:07 dalek roast: 4a06ee3 | (David Warring)++ | S04-blocks-and-statements/temp.t:
05:07 dalek roast: unfudge for rakudo.jvm
05:07 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/4a06ee32a6
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06:11 lizmat good *, #perl6!
06:12 lizmat [Coke] has arrived safely in Frankfurt, and should now be enjoying some shuteye
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06:18 FROGGS \o/
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06:21 lizmat FROGGS o/
06:21 FROGGS lizmat: morning
06:21 pmichaud lizmat++ [Coke]++
06:22 pmichaud wish I could've made it to Frankfurt.  Maybe next time.  :)
06:22 lizmat pmichaud o/
06:22 lizmat We wish so too!
06:22 pmichaud [Coke]: (from facebook post)    My first date with Paula was 11,177 days ago.  :-P
06:22 lizmat although I doubt a next time would be in Frankfurt
06:22 pmichaud (yes, I know, he's asleep now, he'll see it in scrollback)
06:22 lizmat changes are, it would be in Oslo
06:22 pmichaud Oslo++
06:23 pmichaud I like Oslo.
06:23 pmichaud Better than Frankfurt.
06:23 lizmat probably, never been to Oslo yet
06:23 lizmat :-)
06:24 pmichaud You haven't been to Oslo?  How is such a thing possible?
06:24 pmichaud I've been twice already.  :)
06:26 lizmat :)
06:27 lizmat woolfy and mberends say hi
06:27 pmichaud woolfy++  mberends!
06:28 pmichaud hello!
06:28 pmichaud wow, it sounds like you have a good group there
06:28 lizmat well, we're sitting at breakfast
06:28 lizmat sort of deciding whether to go to bed again or not
06:28 lizmat getting up at 5am is not something I do regularly
06:29 pmichaud 6h20 seems to be my standard awakening time these days
06:29 lizmat but it is always nice to be able to welcome people at the airport so they can get more easily accustomed to the local situation
06:29 pmichaud indeed.  please pass my greetings to all who come to the event
06:30 pmichaud and my wish that I could be there with you :)
06:30 lizmat pmichaud: we will!
06:30 JimmyZ Good *, All
06:36 FROGGS hi pmichaud, hi JimmyZ
06:37 diakopter .
06:37 pmichaud hello, FROGGS
06:37 FROGGS aww, no messages :P
06:37 FROGGS hi diakopter
06:37 diakopter hi
06:37 pmichaud tell FROGGS "Message for you, sir!"
06:37 pmichaud .tell FROGGS "Message for you, sir!"
06:37 yoleaux pmichaud: I'll pass your message to FROGGS.
06:37 FROGGS . # what might be in my inbox?
06:37 yoleaux 06:37Z <pmichaud> FROGGS: "Message for you, sir!"
06:38 FROGGS *g*
06:38 * pmichaud skips the arrow in the chest, though.
06:38 pmichaud (monty python reference)
06:38 FROGGS yeah, I don't get it
06:39 pmichaud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwNXQMoNps
06:39 diakopter Ni
06:39 lizmat Ni
06:39 FROGGS >.<
06:39 FROGGS hehe
06:40 pmichaud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwrgPZltnjo  # longer version, more context
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06:43 FROGGS gah, I should finally watch monty python...
06:43 FROGGS I just know smaller sketches... about that parrot for example :P
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06:45 FROGGS sad that the movies/sketches of a german actor, who is as least as awesome as monty python, are not translated to english
06:46 moritz FROGGS: which german actor are you talking about?
06:46 lizmat bbl
06:46 pmichaud I'll bbl also.. time for sleep here
06:47 FROGGS moritz: loriot of course :o)
06:47 FROGGS gnight pmichaud
06:48 moritz FROGGS: ah :-)
06:50 moritz FROGGS: I meant "ach!"
06:50 FROGGS *g*
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07:40 tadzik hello hello
07:40 masak tadzik! \o/
07:41 moritz \o tadzik, masak, *
07:43 masak r: .say for "tadzik", "masak" ... *
07:43 * masak feels silly today
07:43 camelia rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«(timeout)tadzik␤masak␤masaj␤masai␤masah␤masag␤masaf␤masae␤masad␤masac␤masab␤masaa␤marzz␤marzy␤marzx␤marzw␤marzv␤marzu␤marzt␤marzs␤marzr␤marzq␤marzp␤marzo␤marzn␤marzm␤marzl␤marzk␤marzj␤marzi␤marzh␤marzg␤marzf␤marze␤marzd␤marzc␤marzb␤marza␤maryz␤maryy␤maryx␤maryw␤mar…
07:43 masak haha, "marzh".
07:47 dalek Perlito: 673998b | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
07:47 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - package+block syntax
07:47 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/673998bfa9
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08:01 dalek Perlito: 2af1a9b | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
08:01 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - package+block syntax
08:01 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/2af1a9b13a
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08:26 * masak likes the idea of https://github.com/the-teacher/cocktails_for_programmers/blob/master/cocktails_for_programers.md
08:27 bonsaikitten masak: those are quite ... uhm ...
08:27 bonsaikitten half are just renamed standard cocktails, and the rest is not something I'd want to drink
08:28 masak bonsaikitten: yeah... HN are similarly cricitcal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6373185
08:28 masak but I liked the *idea*. :)
08:28 masak someone should do that, except... well.
08:29 bonsaikitten I fail to see the "for programmers" angle
08:29 bonsaikitten I could just list traditional cocktails ;)
08:32 masak :)
08:32 masak walk &
08:34 * bonsaikitten likes the traditional non-sweet Mai Tai
08:44 * diakopter likes the ultra sweet tourist version
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08:49 bonsaikitten hehe
08:49 bonsaikitten diakopter: but that's so diluted!11
08:49 * bonsaikitten is a purist
08:52 arnsholt Blergh. Curacao =)
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09:00 bonsaikitten acceptable choice
09:01 * bonsaikitten considers absorbing some good white Rum at a convenient time later today
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09:14 tadzik weather in frankfurt: cold and rainy, according to forecasts
09:15 tadzik (grumble grumble)
09:15 moritz which pretty much matches the weather here (which is ~250km away)
09:15 tadzik and here, which is probably ~500 away :)
09:15 moritz it's raining cats, dogs and water droplets
09:15 tadzik I was hoping I'm going to some local paradise, warm, sunny
09:22 dalek Perlito: 661b7c0 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
09:22 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - js - add error message
09:22 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/661b7c015d
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09:25 jnthn tadzik: Will be laving soon...we still on to meet at airport?
09:25 cognominal is there anyone already at frankfurt for the workshop? is there a dedicated channel?  I have never taken a beer so early in the day.
09:25 cognominal but the pub is named O'Reilly and has a wifi hotspoty
09:26 tadzik jnthn: I think so
09:26 tadzik jnthn: I'll try to wait near your exit
09:26 cognominal hotspot not spotty.
09:28 jnthn tadzik: ok, see you there :)
09:28 jnthn &
09:35 tadzik huh, that was weird
09:35 tadzik "hello, I'd like a taxi, street x number n, 12:15" "12:15, street x number n, thank you mr. Sośnierz"
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09:46 moritz isn't this exactly how it should be?
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09:49 daxim they still have your name from last time at ppw
09:51 tadzik it is. I was just puzzled that she knew my name
09:51 tadzik it's probably assigned to the phone number in their database
09:56 arnsholt The Cauchy distribution is devious. Looks just like the normal distribution, yet the mean is undefined
09:56 dalek Perlito: 16e72ea | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
09:56 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - js - add error message
09:56 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/16e72ea321
09:57 mathw tadzik: the taxi company I sometimes use knows my phone number
09:58 mathw tadzik: if I ask for a taxi to the railway station they can guess where I want to be picked up from
09:58 mathw I guess their incoming-call system looks it up automatically so it's on the screen as they answer
09:58 tadzik probably
09:58 tadzik but that was a funny experience nonetheless :)
10:00 daxim welcome to the post-privacy era
10:01 tadzik I feel like I've been there before ;)
10:20 masak and you'll be there again :)
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10:56 tadzik most probably :)
10:57 tadzik I asked the taxi driver about it, and he said that it's more like a password than a name, and I can choose something like "Koralgol the bear"
10:57 tadzik I'm now tempted to do that
10:57 moritz who is koralgol the bear? :-)
10:58 tadzik it's a character from a Polish children's story
10:58 tadzik http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3560/3349933660_113061b81c.jpg
10:58 * mathw recently read The Light Of Other Days, which really shows you what 'post-privacy' might be like
10:59 moritz tadzik: I'm sure Ronja would love him :-)
10:59 tadzik apparently he's know on Polish wikipedia as Coralgol. What
11:00 tadzik oh, because he's actually french
11:00 tadzik or French
11:00 tadzik http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colargol this is him
11:00 colomon mathw: slow glass?
11:03 [Sno] http://paste.scsys.co.uk/268965
11:06 mathw colomon: cameras that can let you look at anything, anywhere, remotely. Which (because they use wormholes) eventually becomes 'at any point in history' as well. Nothing you do or ever have done is private anymore. Even in the dark, because they equip them with IR.
11:07 colomon mathw: you're talking about the Clarke / Baxter book, I guess?  I was thinking of the first thing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days#Similar_themes_in_literature
11:08 colomon Couldn't remember the author's last name.  ;)
11:09 mathw :)
11:10 * mathw goes back to trying to find a suitable layer of abstraction for some code he needs to reuse
11:10 colomon mathw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light#Slow_light_in_fiction
11:12 tadzik ehh. Downloading parrot on airport wifi is baad
11:16 daxim_ see also the chronoscope in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Past
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11:41 lizmat hi again #perl6!
11:41 lizmat the RaNIW is not going to happen
11:42 lizmat at the original venue, but at http://goo.gl/maps/yWo9l
11:42 lizmat :-)
11:42 lizmat communique #3 was just sent.  If you haven't seen it yet, nor #2, please check your spam filter  :-)
11:42 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=3
11:45 * lizmat drops a pin
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11:47 nwc10 for us non-attendees, are you able to say why it moved? (Or is that not supposed to be publicly logged?)(Hello NSA anyway)
11:48 lizmat I describe it in the mail like this:
11:48 lizmat "We could not verify the suitability of the original venue in time to be able to look for alternatives.  So we looked for alternatives."
11:49 timotimo luckily it's very close by
11:49 krunen timotimo: Hi, roommate!
11:49 timotimo oooh, roomies! :)
11:50 timotimo i'm likely going to appear at frankfurt(main)west at 17:56
11:50 krunen ok. I'm with Liz and Wendy in the hotel now.
11:50 timotimo so going to the hotel should be my first action after getting there?
11:51 krunen probably
11:51 dalek Perlito: e05e9de | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | src5/lib/Perlito5/Javascript2/Emitter.pm:
11:51 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - js - placeholder for a diferent local impl
11:51 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/e05e9de869
11:52 lizmat timotimo: yes
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11:55 lizmat make sure you get the Solmstrasse exit from the station
11:56 lizmat you probably need to take the tunnel
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11:57 lizmat when you get out of the tunnel, turn left
11:57 not_gerd lizmat: would it make sense to join you at the hotel before meet-up time or will you be heading out again?
11:58 lizmat we need to run some errands this afternoon
11:58 cognominal lizmat, gmail sent your communique #2 and #3 straight in the spam folder :(
11:58 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=2
11:58 lizmat but krunen is here, and mberends and [Coke]  (although he is sound asleep right now)
11:59 cognominal right now, I am in the O'Reilly (!) pub in front of the banhauf :)
11:59 lizmat :-)
11:59 lizmat the Frankfurt bahnhof ?
12:00 not_gerd (guesses that's how you get close to the german pronounciation if you use the french one)
12:01 not_gerd and yes, O'Reilly's is at central station
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12:02 cognominal lizmat: after taking the tunnel, I apparently took a wrong exit and went back to the banhauf :(
12:02 cognominal that was before any beer.
12:03 lizmat cognominal: this is about Frankfurt Am Main *WEST*
12:03 lizmat not central station!
12:03 timotimo it's comical to me how perl people seem to depend on beer to work at all :P
12:03 * lizmat is looking at krunen enjoying a Beck's  :-)
12:05 * woolfy is explaining krunen about lizmat being from Holland and woolfy not being from Holland but from another province of The Netherlands, to be exact Gelderland. Important stuff.
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12:06 dalek Perlito: fb3d9a7 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
12:06 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - yadayada operator
12:06 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/fb3d9a755b
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12:09 * woolfy also still enjoying lunch that we had at the venue...
12:18 woolfy So now we are with 5: lizmat, woolfy, krunen, mberends and Roland. Coke is still asleep.  We're going out within 30 minutes to get a cable for lizmat and to reserve restaurants for Sat & Sun
12:18 woolfy byebye
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12:41 nwc10 .tell jnthn http://act.useperl.at/apw2013/main # Registration open
12:41 yoleaux nwc10: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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12:52 [Coke] .to timotimo - yes, it (last I checked) breaks the .csv'ness of the file, according to github's CSV viewer - if you can fork it and get that to still display correctly, I'll happily take that patch.
12:52 yoleaux [Coke]: I'll pass your message to timotimo.
12:54 [Coke] pmichaud: that's just a general function of your age! :P :)
12:56 [Coke] r: say "8:{18+30} AM"
12:56 camelia rakudo 67c6fd: OUTPUT«8:48 AM␤»
12:56 timotimo good morning coke :)
12:56 yoleaux 12:52Z <[Coke]> timotimo: - yes, it (last I checked) breaks the .csv'ness of the file, according to github's CSV viewer - if you can fork it and get that to still display correctly, I'll happily take that patch.
12:56 [Coke] bah, I bet I missed 'em.
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13:28 dalek Perlito: 18819e6 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (7 files):
13:28 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - new module Perlito5::Grammar::Statement
13:28 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/18819e6f78
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13:57 dalek Perlito: d7ff69f | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (8 files):
13:57 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - new module Perlito5::Grammar::Number
13:57 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/d7ff69fe42
13:57 dalek Perlito: 3f2de14 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
13:57 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - new module Perlito5::Grammar::Number
13:57 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/3f2de145a5
13:58 timotimo reached the station, got my ticket, waiting for the first train now.
13:58 corecatcher bon voyage
14:02 FROGGS[mobile] timotimo: my ICE should be there by now
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14:06 FROGGS[mobile] got it!
14:06 timotimo i am not going via ice
14:06 FROGGS[mobile] Yay, an hour backwards
14:06 timotimo S, then IC then RB
14:07 timotimo super cheap, only 15 eur
14:07 corecatcher FROGGS[mobile]: take another seat?
14:07 FROGGS[mobile] when will you arrive?
14:08 FROGGS[mobile] na, that is fine
14:08 FROGGS[mobile] I pay 70eur
14:08 timotimo 11756
14:08 timotimo er
14:08 timotimo not that late
14:08 timotimo 1756
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14:09 tadzik hey, where is jnthn flying from?
14:09 timotimo i seem to have misplaced my little music player device
14:10 FROGGS[mobile] What is that? Your body-mass-index?
14:10 moritz tadzik: I'd guess Copenhagen, but I don't really know
14:10 timotimo wat
14:11 moritz it's the airport easiest to reach from Lund
14:11 tadzik damn, I was guessing Goteborg, I have no idea where does a flight from Copenhagen arrive :)
14:12 tadzik I feel so lost at FRA
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14:13 timotimo aaw
14:14 nwc10 tadzik: the "inside Schengen" bit
14:15 nwc10 SK 675 from Copenhagen, landed 16:06, exit B2
14:15 nwc10 ?
14:16 nwc10 terminal 1B
14:16 nwc10 seems more likely than LH817 from Gothenburg, apparently exit A2, terminal 1A
14:16 tadzik yeah, I'm at arrivals hall B, and I only see exit B1, no sight of B2
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14:18 tadzik well, I'll wait and see what happens :)
14:20 dalek Perlito: 4e96a26 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
14:20 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - "use" is a statement
14:20 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/4e96a26c6b
14:20 cognominal I am at the hotel
14:20 not_gerd .oO( take care not to get stuck at the airport until someone grants you asylum )
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14:24 cognominal beware, I am from France, the oldest US ally. We are no more cheese eating surrender monkeys… because we have a spineless president.
14:25 * daxim_ makes a face
14:39 dalek Perlito: 0b08be2 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
14:39 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - TODO update
14:39 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/0b08be2266
14:42 dalek Perlito: b11df1a | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
14:42 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - TODO update
14:42 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/b11df1a6b3
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14:47 pmurias jnthn: is it possible to have a attributes that are not present in the name to index mapping?
14:50 pmurias jnthn: I figured out my problem
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14:54 dalek Perlito: 4e24602 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
14:54 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - TODO update
14:54 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/4e2460211f
15:09 timotimo a quick look over the sauce shows there is a nqp::hintfor that is used on jvm but not parrot
15:10 timotimo attrhontgor
15:10 timotimo attrhintfor, even
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15:14 timotimo dont know how to feed the push pirop call for repr_get_attr and co a hint
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15:19 * not_gerd will head to the hotel soon-ish
15:19 not_gerd is I don't find anyone there, I'll just have to take a walk
15:19 not_gerd weather's pretty nice right now
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15:27 timotimo half an hour to go, another 10 minutes or so to the hotel
15:48 timotimo whats the hotel address again? no access to the mails on my phone :(
15:49 krunen Kreuznacher strasse 47
15:49 timotimo i did save the place on gmaps but that does not seem to transfer to my phone eithet
15:50 timotimo that seems to be the station not the hotel
15:51 pmurias timotimo: re don't know how to feed the hint? you mean on the pir level or the QAST level?
15:51 pmurias timotimo: on the pir level it's an extra argument
15:51 timotimo do i have to invent that extra arg?
15:51 krunen is is the hotel, i'm looking at their card now
15:51 timotimo oh cool
15:52 timotimo that is right there
15:52 krunen just four or five houses south from the station, on the west side of the tracks
15:54 pmurias timotimo: you mean you don't know how to determine what value needs to be passed as the hint argument?
15:59 pmurias timotimo: there is a repr_hint_for opcode
15:59 krunen jnthn and tadzik have arrived, yay!
16:00 colomon \o/
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16:06 krunen and timo found us too![6~
16:10 tadzik yay!
16:10 tadzik is there no wifi at the hotel?
16:12 FROGGS[mobile] Maybe there is no wifi in germany at all O.o
16:12 timotimo i know how to get the hint
16:13 timotimo not how to pass it on to the getattr call that the compiler creates
16:14 FROGGS[mobile] tadzik: you usually have to ask at the receiption
16:15 krunen timo: get a passord at the reception
16:16 FROGGS[mobile] that is the opposite of passchr btw :P
16:17 timotimo its personalised access?
16:18 FROGGS[mobile] It has to by law
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16:22 timotimo i'm here now \o/
16:24 timotimo i think i've already forgotten half the names again m)
16:25 timotimo FROGGS[mobile]: will you come over to our hotel before we go to dinner?
16:25 FROGGS[mobile] I am at the hotel at 20:45
16:26 timotimo oh, ok, so you won't have dinner with us
16:26 FROGGS[mobile] So, you might want to get something earlier
16:26 FROGGS[mobile] Yeah :/
16:27 FROGGS[mobile] I'll join you later
16:30 tadzik heh, has to be personalized by law, right?
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16:30 tadzik I bet you a beer it works anonymously at McDonalds
16:30 tadzik it even worked in france
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16:31 timotimo so apparently the hint attribute is there for the reprs, but i don't see it in repr_bind_attr and repr_get_attr yet
16:32 FROGGS[mobile] tadzik: I take that bet
16:32 tadzik this may mean that I've just lost it :P
16:33 timotimo indeed, the repr_get_attr_... codes just supply NO_HINT, yes
16:34 timotimo if i see it right, i can just add a new candidate that has an additional _i in its name and use IREG(5) to convey the hint?
16:34 FROGGS[mobile] tadzik: no, everything is still open :o)
16:35 tadzik hehe, ok
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16:36 timotimo of *course* there are two versions of each of those already
16:37 timotimo one for a variable string for the name, one for a string constant
16:37 timotimo now we'll have <obj int str num> X <s sc> X <hint nohint>
16:37 timotimo is that sensible? :|
16:38 timotimo and of course get, set and bind, if i see it correctly
16:40 timotimo oh, there's even more combinations than i thought, because there's combinations with integer constants for native int assignment/bind/...
16:40 timotimo i hope nqp_ops.c is autogenerated from some saner format? ;)
16:42 tadzik I think it is
16:42 tadzik from something like .ops
16:42 FROGGS[mobile] from nqp_ops
16:43 timotimo indeed!
16:43 FROGGS[mobile] no, I think it is called nqp_ops
16:43 timotimo apparently it's time to start running
16:43 timotimo nqp.ops exists and is shorter
16:43 timotimo ttyl :)
16:46 FROGGS[mobile] damn :o)
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16:57 FROGGS[mobile] about 90minutes to go!
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17:22 rindolf FROGGS[mobile]: 90 minutes to go before what?
17:23 FROGGS[mobile] rindolf: arriving in Frankfurt
17:23 rindolf FROGGS[mobile]: ah, via what?
17:24 FROGGS[mobile] Train...
17:25 FROGGS[mobile] it takes almost five hours from Berlin
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17:58 nwc10 FROGGS[mobile]: that must mean that Germany is at fault, for being too big :-)
17:58 * nwc10 is glad to read that jnthn was sucessfully found
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18:00 diakopter yeah; his internal tracker beacon ran out of plutonium
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18:04 FROGGS[mobile] I guess a beertecter is of help at that time of day :p
18:15 FROGGS[mobile] Or we just beersect Frankfurt
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18:55 FROGGS[mobile] tadzik: where exactly are you?
19:01 FROGGS[mobile] timotimo?
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19:10 Guest89425 hy, i'am deny from indonesia
19:10 Guest89425 halloo
19:11 FROGGS[mobile] Hi, I am lucy from france
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19:13 FROGGS[mobile] lizmat, wendy: there?
19:14 * ingy misses Guest89425
19:15 FROGGS[mobile] I know that feeling
19:16 timotimo hey froggs
19:16 timotimo we are at the frankfurt and friends
19:16 timotimo gimme a sec
19:17 timotimo Café Bauer
19:17 timotimo Jordanstraße 1
19:17 timotimo https://maps.google.de/maps/preview#!data=!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47bd095caff569d5:0x6bd8a21ef732b0fa!3m8!1m3!1d2558.2845352379236!2d8.649310999999999!3d50.118396!3m2!1i1024!2i768!4f13.1!4m2!3d50.118396!4d8.649310999999999&hl=en&gl=gb
19:17 timotimo i hope that works
19:18 timotimo i am confusef about the name
19:18 moritz "Dieser Ort wurde geschlossen oder verlegt"
19:18 timotimo it is supposed to be called frankfurt and friebds
19:18 timotimo does it guve you the coordinates?
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19:19 moritz it shows the location on the map
19:19 timotimo good
19:19 dalek Perlito: e6645da | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
19:19 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - grammar - underscore in VSTRING
19:19 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/e6645da0b6
19:19 FROGGS[mobile] Not on my phone :/
19:20 FROGGS[mobile] I have got a hardware map though
19:21 timotimo ok
19:21 timotimo once in the restaurant we are hard to miss
19:21 moritz I can imagine :-)
19:21 FROGGS[mobile] Is that Nest the venue?
19:21 FROGGS[mobile] My map has no index
19:22 timotimo it is a bit from the venue
19:22 timotimo but a similar direction from the hotel
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19:25 FROGGS[mobile] In what direction?
19:25 timotimo sorry i don't have that on my map, NPR do i remember the address
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19:28 FROGGS[mobile]2 3min
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19:41 timotimo time is out ;)
19:45 timotimo for those worried: he made it
19:45 dalek Perlito: 1e00896 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (4 files):
19:45 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - require+version
19:45 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/1e008966a8
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20:07 lue hello world o/
20:11 larks question, for the concurrency features in Rakudo, it is a waiting on the parrot VM for features or this is really a Rakudo thing?
20:13 moritz larks: I don't understand the question. Can you please try to rephrase?
20:16 larks as in for the (lack of) of concurrency related feature yet to be implemented in Rakudo, are they waiting for VM related things in Parrot or has no one in Rakudo done it yet?
20:16 btyler larks: rakudo runs on multiple VMs, parrot VM and JVM are the two that currently run. all the cool concurrency stuff is only on the JVM edition of rakudo right now
20:17 larks you know, I think it would just be easy to look at the source code `-`
20:19 moritz larks: parrot implements threads, but it's not really documented how to use them, and so far the attempts to use parrot threads in rakudo weren't very successful
20:19 moritz larks: so us rakudo folks blame parrot, and the parrot folks blame rakudo for not properly implementing threads
20:19 moritz larks: does that answer your question?
20:20 larks yeah, so there's a disconnect so to speak
20:23 moritz (it's also a broad oversimplification to say that the parrot developers blame rakudo for not implementing threads; afaict it's only one of them who does, but there aren't that many active parrot developers remaining)
20:27 larks interesting, is it because rakudo starting using the jvm too?
20:27 moritz no
20:27 moritz the decline started long before that
20:30 larks I see.
20:34 dalek Perlito: fbb8123 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
20:34 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - TODO update
20:34 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/fbb81231e8
20:46 tadzik FROGGS[mobile]2: in my room, why? :P
20:47 tadzik hoelzro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyYNtpBxHU
20:48 dalek Perlito: 82bdf2c | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (3 files):
20:48 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - TODO update
20:48 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/82bdf2cd9e
20:48 dalek Perlito: a80bdf6 | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | TODO-perlito5:
20:48 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - js - p5scalar_deref fix
20:48 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/a80bdf6301
20:54 dalek panda: 2c85b0f | (Donald Hunter)++ | lib/Panda/Common.pm:
20:54 dalek panda: Use temp CWD instead of chdir. Avoids LexoticException.
20:54 dalek panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/2c85b0ff8c
20:54 dalek panda: 2259200 | tadzik++ | lib/Panda/Common.pm:
20:54 dalek panda: Merge pull request #56 from donaldh/indir-temp-cwd
20:54 dalek panda:
20:54 dalek panda: Use temp CWD instead of chdir. Avoids LexoticException.
20:54 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=56
20:54 dalek panda: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/2259200f9a
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20:54 tadzik synopsebot is a little bit overhelpful now
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20:58 tadzik #56
20:59 tadzik #74076
20:59 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=74076
21:01 moritz https://perlgeek.de/ # my homepage and blog now with SSL enabled, for all browsers except firefix
21:01 moritz *firefox
21:04 jnthn larks: Take a look at http://jnthn.net/papers/2013-yapceu-conc.pdf for (working) examples of concurrent/parallel things on Perl 6 that you can run today in Rakudo (on JVM).
21:05 moritz who did the experiments with hypers running in parrot threads? was it timotimo?
21:06 tadzik moritz: ooc, why isn't firefox cooperating?
21:06 tadzik moritz: also, you have a typo on the main page: accountM
21:07 moritz tadzik: because it uses an OCSP server which doesn't have any status information about the certificate (yet?), and considers that an error
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21:08 moritz typo fixed, tadzik++
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21:25 lizmat it was a long an interesting day in Frankfurt
21:25 lizmat and
21:25 lizmat off to bed now
21:25 lizmat gnight #perl6!
21:25 * jnthn also will sleep
21:25 jnthn 'night
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21:28 lue hello again! o/
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21:36 dalek Perlito: 5a6928d | (Flavio S. Glock)++ | / (5 files):
21:36 dalek Perlito: Perlito5 - js - global autovivification fix
21:36 dalek Perlito: review: https://github.com/fglock/Perlito/commit/5a6928d92f
21:42 masak nice to see people finding each other in Frankfurt. :)
21:43 masak I hope all the participants have a lovely weekend. having proofed the material, I know there's potential for a really great course.
21:44 masak (that is, I'm sure you will have one)
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21:53 masak 'night, #perl6
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22:04 dalek perl6-roast-data: c9c303d | coke++ | / (5 files):
22:04 dalek perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
22:04 dalek perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/c9c303d2a3
22:07 [Coke] /scroll end
22:07 [Coke] w
22:07 [Coke] "ww" *sheesh*
22:13 larks thanks jnthn, I'll take a look at that
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