Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2014-05-19

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03:51 skids m: sub change($amt is copy) { my @coins = (25,10,5,1); gather while ($amt) { if $amt >= @coins[0] { $amt -= take @coins[0]; }; if $amt < @coins[0] { @coins.shift; } } }; Bag.new((1..99)».&change.flat).perl.say # explains why I never have dimes at the tollbooth, but not why I always have so many nickels.
03:51 camelia rakudo-moar 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«(1=>200,5=>40,10=>80,25=>150).Bag␤»
03:51 64MAAITRZ rakudo-moar 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«(1=>200,5=>40,10=>80,25=>150).Bag␤»
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04:24 dalek roast: 228e9b3 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | S03-operators/numeric-shift.t:
04:24 dalek roast: adding fudged test for RT#121909
04:24 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=121909
04:24 dalek roast:
04:24 dalek roast: This is currently breaking date/time calculations on parrot
04:24 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/228e9b316e
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04:29 dwarring r: my int $t = 10; say (2 * $t) + ($t +> 2)
04:29 camelia rakudo-moar 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«22␤»
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04:29 camelia ..rakudo-parrot 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«4␤»
04:29 64MAAITRZ rakudo-jvm 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
04:29 64MAAITRZ ..rakudo-moar 4a8eb3: OUTPUT«22␤»
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04:30 dwarring ^^ that's the Temporal bug. Parrot is wrong
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04:39 Heather hi
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05:19 Woodi morning :)
05:20 Woodi hmm, PLPW in Gdansk ? then wp.pl could be asked for some help :) maybe...
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05:29 Woodi I saw OrderedHash in backlog, is it going to be specced ?
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06:22 lizmat good UGT, #perl6!
06:23 Woodi o/
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07:02 moritz \o
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07:32 lizmat preparing for Poznan -> Prague commute
07:36 nwc10 lizmat: has jnthn left the building?
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07:39 lizmat no, not yet, as we're travelling together with him and masak
07:41 dalek rakudo/nom: bcb3934 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
07:41 dalek rakudo/nom: Mention "use v5" no longer being noop
07:41 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/bcb393499b
07:41 lizmat commuting&
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09:25 Ven o/,  #perl6
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09:27 sergot_ morning! o/
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09:52 ppabian hi. are photos from PLPW available somewhere?
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09:52 FROGGS there are even cpantester results for NativeCall /o\  http://www.cpantesters.org/distro/N/NativeCall.html?oncpan=1&amp;distmat=1&amp;version=v1
09:54 sergot_ bbkr: yes, here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/wendyga/sets/72157644316048078/
09:54 bbkr thanks!
09:54 sergot_ no problem :)
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10:56 Ven are masak's slides somewhere ? or any others, for that matter
11:14 arnsholt FROGGS: Wat? How does that even happen...
11:15 sergot_ Ven: they will be somewhere soon (I hope)
11:16 moritz "This is a computer-generated report for NativeCall-v1
11:16 Ven yay :)
11:16 moritz on perl 5.8.9"
11:16 moritz well, try Perl 6, no? :-)
11:19 nwc10 put "use v6" in the Makefile.PL ?
11:19 nwc10 there's a correct way to get cpantesters to skip on too-old versions
11:19 nwc10 but I forget it
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11:22 moritz minimum version in META.mumble, I think
11:22 * colomon sees the the PLPW pictures and misses all the p6ers.   maybe next year...
11:25 BinGOs http://wiki.cpantesters.org/wiki/CPANAuthorNotes
11:25 BinGOs tl;dr 'use 6.000;' in your Makefile.PL or whatever
11:26 nwc10 BingGOs: botsnack :-)
11:26 nwc10 gah, I can't type
11:27 nwc10 anyway, I suspect that the BinGOs bot runs on stronger stuff than botsnacks.
11:27 BinGOs currently running on strong tea and nicotine gum
11:27 moritz that seems to be the bottom line, yes
11:28 nwc10 you're trying to give up smoking?
11:28 BinGOs yes, several years ago. Now I am addicted to the gum.
11:29 nwc10 gosh, I missed that. Shows how observant I am
11:29 nwc10 so what does big pharma now sell to get one off the gum or the E cigs?
11:29 nwc10 there seems to be a(nother) money making opportunity here :-(
11:30 Ven nwc10: cigarettes
11:30 BinGOs heroin
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11:35 huf *sigh* there's a well known cure. just drink a glass of water.
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11:41 timotimo blog post will be quite late today
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12:09 tadzik Ven: I uploaded mine to http://feather.perl6.nl/~tjs/talks/plpw14/#/
12:10 tadzik and http://feather.perl6.nl/~tjs/talks/plpw14/rakudobrew/#/
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12:18 colomon tadzik: rakudobrew slides remind me I was wondering if we should add "spectest" to the rakudobrew commands.
12:18 tadzik maybe :)
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12:30 timotimo s
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12:35 FROGGS arnsholt: it looks like as if recent uploads get smoked, whether they are indexed or not... also metacpan displays this distribution, and needs to be patched
12:36 FROGGS BinGOs: do you favor a way of telling cpantesters that something is Perl 6? I mean, it would be nice to not even get NA reports from Perl 5
12:37 BinGOs are the dists always going to be in a Perl6 subdir of an authors dir?
12:38 FROGGS BinGOs: yes
12:38 FROGGS (by intention)
12:38 BinGOs I can adapt the modules I use for finding uploads to filter those out
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12:39 BinGOs I don't know what the other crazies^testers use, but I can sort my shit out.
12:39 FROGGS BinGOs: are other smokers also using this toolchain?
12:39 FROGGS ahh, I see
12:39 arnsholt FROGGS: How is NativeCall on CPAN, though?
12:40 FROGGS arnsholt: we uploaded it :o)
12:40 arnsholt Oh, right
12:40 FROGGS it is a proper P6 distribution
12:43 FROGGS .tell timotimo there is at least one thing for the p6weekly: the v5 module does not require a patched rakudo anymore, and can be installed using its configure script + make...
12:43 yoleaux FROGGS: I'll pass your message to timotimo.
12:44 FROGGS .tell timotimo and I am working hard on making it a pandable module
12:44 yoleaux FROGGS: I'll pass your message to timotimo.
12:44 Ven mmh, ruby's usage of last and break is really confusing
12:44 FROGGS I hope there is more to come within the next hours... *cough* *jnthn* *cough* :P
12:45 FROGGS Ven: in loops I guess?
12:45 Ven yea
12:45 dalek star: cab8b47 | coke++ | Configure.pl:
12:45 dalek star: Update download URL (github's downloads are gone)
12:45 dalek star: review: https://github.com/rakudo/star/commit/cab8b47fc2
12:45 Ven I'm always "which one is c-ish, which one is perl-ish ?"
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13:08 [Coke] dwarring++ getting to the root of that date bug.
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14:52 FROGGS rn: warn 0
14:52 64MAAITRZ rakudo-parrot bcb393: OUTPUT«Warning  in block  at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
14:52 64MAAITRZ ..rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«Warning␤»
14:52 64MAAITRZ ..rakudo-jvm bcb393: OUTPUT«Rebuild in progress␤»
14:52 64MAAITRZ ..niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«0␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1389 (warn @ 5) ␤  at /tmp/tmpfile line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4595 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4596 (module-CORE @ 576) …»
14:52 camelia rakudo-jvm bcb393: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
14:52 camelia ..rakudo-parrot bcb393: OUTPUT«Warning  in block  at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
14:52 camelia ..rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«Warning␤»
14:52 camelia ..niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«0␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 1389 (warn @ 5) ␤  at /tmp/tmpfile line 1 (mainline @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4595 (ANON @ 3) ␤  at /home/p6eval/niecza/lib/CORE.setting line 4596 (module-CORE @ 576) …»
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15:06 masak hello from .cz!
15:07 FROGGS \o/
15:07 FROGGS hello from .de :o)
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15:09 masak :)
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15:20 jnthn Jsem v Prahe \o/
15:22 FROGGS that is a very nice place to be :o)
15:22 sergot_ o/
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15:30 * lizmat has also arrived
15:31 lizmat and has bandwidth (only Edge though)
15:32 FROGGS hi lizmat
15:32 lizmat FROGGS O/
15:38 moritz m: role A { method m { ... } }; say A.^can('m');
15:38 64MAAITRZ rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«Method 'm' must be implemented by A because it is required by a role␤  in any compose_method_table at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2342␤  in any apply at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2352␤  in any compose at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2497␤  in any make_pun at …»
15:38 camelia rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«Method 'm' must be implemented by A because it is required by a role␤  in any compose_method_table at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2342␤  in any apply at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2352␤  in any compose at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2497␤  in any make_pun at …»
15:39 moritz how can I do that check safely?
15:39 moritz m: say 42
15:39 camelia rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«42␤»
15:40 FROGGS m: role A { method m { ... } }; say nqp::can(A, 'm');
15:40 camelia rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«Method 'm' must be implemented by A because it is required by a role␤  in any compose_method_table at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2342␤  in any apply at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2352␤  in any compose at src/gen/m-Metamodel.nqp:2497␤  in any make_pun at …»
15:40 FROGGS by fixing compose_method_table? I dunno :/
15:41 moritz well, the problem seems to be that MOP calls pun a class
15:41 moritz and that class doesn't contain the desired method
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16:15 woolfy Tomorrow start 2 days of Czech Perl Workshop ( http://act.yapc.eu/czpw2014/schedule?day=2014-05-20 ), sponsored by Perl 6, with many Perl 6 talks by jnthn, lizmat, masak, lichtkind (and maybe others)
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16:18 PerlJam "sponsored by Perl 6"?
16:23 woolfy Yep, see the sponsor page.  The logo of Camelia is visible.  So it must be true.
16:23 woolfy by the Perl 6 community...
16:24 PerlJam That's still ... strange to me.
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16:24 PerlJam I don't think of "Perl 6" or the "Perl 6 community" as an "it" that would sponsor something i guess.
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16:29 woolfy PerlJam: don't worry, Perl 6 has sponsors.  They mean well.
16:30 PerlJam (all those that would sponsor good things in the name of Perl 6)++
16:30 PerlJam :-)
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16:33 woolfy :-)
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: f167345 | coke++ | / (2 files):
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: one more step to multiple backends.
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: review: https://github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/commit/f1673456b5
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: c92f6b7 | coke++ | log/parrot- (5 files):
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: today (automated commit)
16:33 dalek rakudo-star-daily: review: https://github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/commit/c92f6b72b8
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16:38 lizmat dinner and pivo&
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17:14 [Coke] if I build rakudo star for moarvm, does it download a copy of moar when I build NQP?
17:14 moritz [Coke]: iirc star bundles moarvm
17:14 [Coke] hurm.
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17:19 FROGGS should be bundled, aye
17:19 FROGGS but you can replace that with a git clone, and build star-HEAD that way
17:22 [Coke] I am cheating; trying to figure out if my cheating is the problem. (moarvm stuff not ending up the star target's manifest)
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17:33 [Coke] ugh. now getting ;src/moar.h:20:16: fatal error: uv.h: No such file or directory #include <uv.h>
17:33 [Coke] (when trying to configure moar-vm latest from the daily star run)
17:33 [Coke] will dig more later.
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17:37 FROGGS as if 3rdparty stuff is not in the MANIFEST
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17:40 moritz [Coke]: libuv is a submodule, so maybe your cheating fails for submodules?
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18:09 FROGGS m: say 42 < any < 11 12 13 45 > # that is soo awesome!
18:09 camelia rakudo-moar bcb393: OUTPUT«any(False, False, False, True)␤»
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18:23 vendethiel FROGGS: the gods of LTM have hit again
18:24 FROGGS vendethiel: LTM?
18:24 FROGGS why that?
18:24 FROGGS ahh, k
18:24 FROGGS :o)
18:25 FROGGS but not the LTM is expressive here, junctions are
18:25 FROGGS err, impressive
18:25 vendethiel LTM is impressive :P
18:26 FROGGS True
18:26 FROGGS :o)
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18:39 FROGGS there is a spesh bug in perl6-m t/spec/integration/real-strings.t
18:39 dalek nqp: d013aff | (Tobias Leich)++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
18:39 dalek nqp: bump moar rev for num->str fix
18:39 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d013aff027
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18:40 dalek rakudo/nom: 277212e | (Tobias Leich)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
18:40 dalek rakudo/nom: bump nqp/moar rev for num->str fix
18:40 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/277212ef54
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18:45 colomon FROGGS++
18:45 [Coke] moritz: (submodule cheat) oh, duh. thanks.
18:45 FROGGS I am just the bumper
18:46 colomon sergot_++ too, then
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18:53 Kays will Perl 5 be somewhat compatible with Perl 6 similar to C and C++? As in use both Perl 5 and Perl 6 in the same project?
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18:55 PerlJam Kays: not exactly
18:55 PerlJam Kays: there are mechanisms in the works for using Perl 5 code from Perl 6
18:55 PerlJam Kays: but Perl 6 is not a superset of Perl 5 like C++ is of C
18:58 Kays I see. Thanks PerlJam
18:58 vendethiel C++ would have been far better off not being compatible with C, tbh ...
18:58 Kays vendethiel: why? A lot of things will break.
18:59 geekosaur probably, but as it started out as a preprocessor for C (cfront)...
18:59 backlash_jack some might say that C++ is what's broken
18:59 vendethiel because C++ just reinvents stuff on top of C stuff, lots of duplication, etc
18:59 vendethiel (and yeah, C++ is not a superset of C because C++ keywords bla bla bla)
18:59 vendethiel (also the () vs (void))
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19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: d7ae021 | (David Warring)++ | src/core/Temporal.pm:
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: Replace bitshift `+>` with `div` operator
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom:
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: Reads better (imho). Works around RT#121909 which is currently resulting in significant failures in S03-temporal on parrot.
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/d7ae021317
19:40 synopsebot Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=121909
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: c179bc3 | (Tobias Leich)++ | src/core/Temporal.pm:
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: Merge pull request #270 from dwarring/patch-1
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom:
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: Replace bitshift `+>` with `div` operator in ymd-from-daycount
19:40 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c179bc3777
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20:08 colomon there's a parrot bug with +>  ?
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20:14 lizmat hmmm... seeing segfault in S05-transliteration/with-closure.t after pull
20:16 lizmat dwarring++ for fixing Temporal, but do we have a test for +> that fails ?
20:17 lizmat S05-transliteration/trans also segfaults on maor
20:18 lizmat integration/advent2009-day09.t   also segfaults  :-(
20:18 timotimo now i'm at my laptop and can start working on the weekly post
20:18 yoleaux 12:43Z <FROGGS> timotimo: there is at least one thing for the p6weekly: the v5 module does not require a patched rakudo anymore, and can be installed using its configure script + make...
20:18 lizmat as does integration/real-strings.t   :-(((
20:18 yoleaux 12:44Z <FROGGS> timotimo: and I am working hard on making it a pandable module
20:19 FROGGS lizmat: looks like speshbugs to me
20:20 lizmat will see if MVM_SPESH_DISABLE=1 makes a difference
20:28 lizmat FROGGS: indeed, they all seem to be SPESH related as with MVM_SPESH_DISABLE=1 they do *not* segfault
20:28 lizmat jnthn: ^^^
20:29 dwarring lizmat: There's a fudged test in S03-operators/numeric-shift.t
20:29 nwc10 lizmat: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2014-05-18#i_8739369
20:29 nwc10 which was why iwas asking if he'd left the building
20:31 lizmat ah, I see
20:31 lizmat well, we were on the road most of today:  Poznan -> Berlin -> Dresden -> Prague
20:32 lizmat and afaik he's now working on his slides for a presentation on Wed
20:32 nwc10 is that the fastest route?
20:32 lizmat yes, the fastest
20:32 lizmat about 100km more than the direct route
20:33 lizmat but instead of doing 120km/hour average, you would be lucky to make 80km/hour average
20:33 moritz m: role A { }; say A[]
20:33 camelia rakudo-moar 277212: OUTPUT«(A)␤»
20:33 moritz m: role A { }; say A[].^name
20:33 camelia rakudo-moar 277212: OUTPUT«A␤»
20:33 moritz m: role A { }; say A[].HOW
20:33 camelia rakudo-moar 277212: OUTPUT«Perl6::Metamodel::CurriedRoleHOW.new()␤»
20:36 timotimo sergot_: do you have an idea how long it'll take for the talk recordings to appear on youtube from the #plpw?
20:45 dalek rakudo/nom: 328c225 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | / (2 files):
20:45 dalek rakudo/nom: Add .fmt to (Set|Bag|Mix)(|Hash)
20:45 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/328c2259b3
20:45 masak \o/
20:45 masak lizmat++
20:45 lizmat it'll be more work to add the tests  :-)
20:50 masak :)
20:50 backlash_jack ok you guys, if you want to get hardware, don't make it impossible to contact you
20:51 moritz backlash_jack: have you tried email?
20:51 backlash_jack i'd love to
20:52 moritz email in private message
20:52 moritz erm, except that I messed it up :-)
20:52 backlash_jack yeah, i did that
20:52 moritz :(
20:52 backlash_jack still no response
20:53 backlash_jack anyway, good luck ya'll
20:53 FROGGS what is that about?
20:54 masak I think it was about... hardware.
20:55 FROGGS I did not even know that we want hardware :o)
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20:59 masak 'night, #perl6
21:00 FROGGS gnight masak
21:01 lizmat I think this was about him offering hardware for nwc10 to use for testing ?
21:01 FROGGS ahh, that would at least explain it
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21:10 dalek rakudo/nom: 09ed71a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Compiler.pm:
21:10 dalek rakudo/nom: Fixes to Compiler class, found while making tests
21:10 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/09ed71ae63
21:11 dalek roast: 2316a2f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-types/deprecations.t:
21:11 dalek roast: Added more $*VM, $*PERL related deprecation tests
21:11 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/2316a2f612
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21:23 dalek nqp: f0ea1c3 | (Tobias Leich)++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
21:23 dalek nqp: bump moar rev for to unbreak test that fail under spesh
21:23 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/f0ea1c3e0d
21:24 dalek rakudo/nom: c382c7c | (Tobias Leich)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
21:24 dalek rakudo/nom: bump nqp/moar rev for to unbreak test that fail under spesh
21:24 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c382c7cd80
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21:31 FROGGS t/spec/S02-types/deprecations.rakudo.moar ..................... Dubious, test returned 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
21:31 FROGGS Failed 6/39 subtests
21:32 FROGGS timotimo: btw, loop labels work on all backends for nqp and rakudo, and are now being reviewed
21:33 FROGGS timotimo: and we have our first dist on CPAN (NativeCall), and we are going to glue panda to CPAN soonish
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21:36 jnthn FROGGS: I'll review your labels patch tomorrow, during conf :)
21:36 FROGGS that'd be nice :o)
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21:43 donaldh PR for my PR: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/pull/269 - Start removing backend specifics in IO.pm
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22:17 timotimo FROGGS: thank you for the info :)
22:17 timotimo is there something i can link to for the nativecall on cpan thing
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22:25 lizmat http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-authors/id/J/JO/JONATHAN/Perl6/ ?
22:26 lizmat timotimo: ^^^
22:27 lizmat sleep&
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22:57 timotimo there's a release planned for 2 days from now and nobody has volunteered yet
22:59 timotimo https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commits/nom/docs/guide_to_setting.pod - this document is now ~4 years out of date
22:59 timotimo not saying it needs to be fixed asap, just pointing it out
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23:16 timotimo https://p6weekly.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/2014-20-conference-cpan-progress-and-other-stuff/ - posted. gnite!
23:17 tadzik \o/
23:21 tadzik timotimo++ # nice job
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