IRC log for #perl6, 2014-08-03

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00:02	lizmat	timotimo: good night
00:02	* lizmat	also calls it a day
00:02	lizmat	gnight #perl6!
00:02	timotimo	and the same to you
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05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 4b160d2 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading (2 files):
05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Integrate new form of why-leading
05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/4b160d28ae
05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: f561680 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-TODO.md:
05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: More notes
05:40	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/f56168080e
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 4b08f75 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Fix typo
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/4b08f756e7
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 0d07cf2 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Don't fail if the WHY isn't there
05:45	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/0d07cf23ae
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06:51	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 7e77b6a \| duff++ \| S26-documentation/why-trailing-alt.t:
06:51	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: add alternate tests for why-trailing
06:51	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/7e77b6a33a
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07:44	Woodi	morning :)
07:47	Woodi	I was just stracing simple script and found that rakudo do a lot of stat64(... libperl6_ops_moar.so", 0xbf8eb9a0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory), once per while loop... also a lot of "brk(..............."
07:47	Woodi	perl5 script do just stat64 madness, but not so often
07:48	timotimo	oh!?
07:48	timotimo	that's strange
07:48	ChoHag	Is there a built-in time object, like Date?
07:48	timotimo	there is Instant and DateTime
07:48	ChoHag	Or: Does Date support finer granularity than days?
07:48	timotimo	m: say now.WHAT; say time.WHAT;
07:48	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«(Instant)␤(Int)␤»
07:48	timotimo	m: say DateTime.now.perl
07:48	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«DateTime.new(year => 2014, month => 8, day => 3, hour => 7, minute => 48, second => 53.2940583229065e0)␤»
07:49	ChoHag	Hmm http://doc.perl6.org/type.html doesn't list DateTime.
07:49	ChoHag	(Thus C-f time didn't work)
07:50	Woodi	I always look for things via http://perlcabal.org/syn/index_C.html :)
07:50	ChoHag	Ah that's handy.
07:50	ChoHag	Why C?
07:51	Woodi	it's probably output from ctags tool or similiar
07:51	timotimo	i wonder why it doesn't
07:51	timotimo	no, it's the listing of the C<...> tags from POD
07:51	ChoHag	To encourage people to write their own Time implementation?
07:52	ChoHag	They always work out so well.
07:52	timotimo	m)
07:57	ChoHag	Bah. There is no obvious Date or DateTime file in the source.
07:58	ChoHag	Ah Temporal.pm
07:58	FROGGS	ChoHag: rakudo/src/core/Temporal.pm
07:58	FROGGS	aye
07:58	ChoHag	I see hyphens were in at the time.
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07:59	timotimo	:)
08:00	ChoHag	Whot does Bridge do?
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08:08	timotimo	relates to complex numbers a bit
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08:10	ChoHag	The DateTime formatter can take a boolean but nothing appears to be set up to send it.
08:15	ChoHag	If DateTime has method Str { $!formatter(self) }, what can I do to make it call $!formatter(self, True)?
08:15	ChoHag	My first thought was to subclass and override Str, but the child class won't have DateTime's $! variables.
08:15	ChoHag	Oh never mind. It's declared &. not &!
08:50	ChoHag	Type check failed in binding $min; expected 'Any' but got 'Mu'.
08:50	ChoHag	I don't use $min...
08:53	FROGGS	you can pass --ll-exception to perl6 so you get a line number of the setting
08:54	ChoHag	That doesn't appear to help with caught exceptions.
08:58	FROGGS	true
08:58	FROGGS	that changes how backtraces are printed
08:58	ChoHag	Interesting. It's dying when attempting to produce a backtrace.
08:59	FROGGS	ahh, yes, $min is probably part of the error message
08:59	FROGGS	so probably something is out of range?
08:59	FROGGS	(less than $min)
08:59	ChoHag	The error message is supposed to be 'here', as in: die "here"
08:59	FROGGS	O.o
09:00	FROGGS	unlikely that that is the spot
09:00	FROGGS	I guess it explodes earlier
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09:16	masak	good antenoon, #perl6
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09:20	FROGGS	hi masak
09:21	FROGGS	jnthn: I fixed my bind_sig issue... instead of pushing a hash to the list of params in add_signature_binding_code, the hash flattened (to quite translated nqp code)
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10:37	ChoHag	This shakes my faith in the idea of computers as rational devices.
10:37	ChoHag	On friday, my code had a normal bug I needed to find, but otherwise ran fine.
10:37	ChoHag	Today I improved the logging to get a better idea of where it's failing and a new, entirely insane bug showed up.
10:37	FROGGS	:/
10:38	ChoHag	Stripping the new debug code back did not remove the bug, but upgrading perl did.
10:38	ChoHag	It's not supposed to work like that!
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10:42	FROGGS	ChoHag: when you use HEAD it is always possible that you hit a commit that introduces a regression...
10:42	ChoHag	Between not compiling a new perl on Friday afternoon and not compiling a new perl this morning?
10:43	FROGGS	err what?
10:43	FROGGS	you said that you upgraded perl
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10:47	jnthn	Backtrace printing was busted in HEAD for around 30 mins at some point recently...got patched fairly quickly, but coulda got unlucky...
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11:15	lizmat	good *, #perl6!
11:15	FROGGS	hi lizmat
11:15	jnthn	o/ lizmat
11:16	FROGGS	Cannot iterate object with P6opaque representation
11:16	FROGGS	at gen/moar/stage2/QRegex.nqp:548 (/home/froggs/dev/nqp/install/languages/nqp/lib/QRegex.moarvm:CAPHASH:4294967295)
11:16	lizmat	FROGGS jnthn o/
11:16	FROGGS	:o(
11:16	FROGGS	jnthn: you don't wanna rip out CAPHASH nowish? :P
11:16	jnthn	:P
11:16	jnthn	Still not sure how you've managed that...
11:16	FROGGS	no, that's a new one
11:17	FROGGS	I'm calling .SET_CAPS with something that does not have a container, but it still explodes
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11:22	FROGGS	okay, yeah, when I do not call .SET_CAPS it works...
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11:28	FROGGS	looks like I am about to fix that one too
11:28	jnthn	FROGGS++
11:28	FROGGS	... which means that I can run more of the test infrastructure
11:30	FROGGS	src/Perl5/Actions.pm:7177 Hash<1>(
11:30	FROGGS	:$!descriptor((null)),
11:30	FROGGS	:$!storage(BOOTHash<2>( => ▶0))
11:30	FROGGS	)
11:30	FROGGS	jnthn: does that mean there is a container?
11:30	FROGGS	I guess I want its $!storage...
11:32	dalek	rakudo/nom: 07f142f \| (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ \| lib/lib.pm6:
11:32	dalek	rakudo/nom: EXPORT needs to be my to prevent conflicts
11:32	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/07f142f4f2
11:33	jnthn	Looks like a Perl 6 Hash
11:34	FROGGS	yeah, patch works :o)
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11:47	ChoHag	I upgraded perl as a last resort when I couldn't get the heisenbug to go away.
11:48	FROGGS	ChoHag: that is what I mean, you were on a bad commit
11:49	FROGGS	ChoHag: when you are using HEAD, you should also look at what were the last commits when you encounter weird stuff
11:49	ChoHag	Right, except that the same commit apparently did and then didn't work with the same code.
11:49	FROGGS	yeah, these bugs are nasty
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12:09	lizmat	https://gist.github.com/lizmat/29d8530889c35e583318 # is this a bug or not?
12:11	lizmat	jnthn ^^
12:12	lizmat	in other words: when exporting a sub, should it include any closure of that sub as well or not ?
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12:24	jnthn	lizmat: The EVAL isn't doing what you think
12:24	jnthn	uh, or maybe it is
12:24	lizmat	hehe :-)
12:24	jnthn	But note that it interpolates $serial into the string.
12:24	jnthn	Which you may or may not have meant
12:24	lizmat	that's the idea
12:24	lizmat	I want the value at time of EXPORT
12:24	jnthn	Right, meaning that you're capturing the state var
12:24	lizmat	yup
12:24	lizmat	it apparently isn't capture with sub {}
12:24	lizmat	*captured
12:24	jnthn	It is
12:25	jnthn	It's just you're closing over the same Scalar twice.
12:25	lizmat	ah, but the "ref" is, is what you're saying
12:25	lizmat	ok
12:26	jnthn	m: sub foo() { state $i = 0; $i++; return -> { say $i } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; say $a(); say $b();
12:26	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«2␤True␤2␤True␤»
12:26	jnthn	oops, too much to say :)
12:26	jnthn	m: sub foo() { state $i = 0; $i++; return -> { say $i } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:26	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«2␤2␤»
12:26	jnthn	m: sub foo() { state $i = 0; my $cur = ++$i; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:26	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«1␤2␤»
12:26	jnthn	You may want something like that
12:26	jnthn	m: sub foo() { my $cur = ++state $; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:26	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUTÂ«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/GU0RIHISkAâ�¤Unsupported use of $; variable; in Perl 6 please use real multidimensional hashesâ�¤at /tmp/GU0RIHISkA:1â�¤------> [32msub foo() { my $cur = ++state $;[33mâ��[31m return -> { say $cuâ€¦Â»
12:27	jnthn	m: sub foo() { my $cur = ++(state $); return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:27	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUTÂ«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/a5zRzKGtfHâ�¤Unsupported use of $) variable; in Perl 6 please use $*EGIDâ�¤at /tmp/a5zRzKGtfH:1â�¤------> [32msub foo() { my $cur = ++(state $)[33mâ��[31m; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) â€¦Â»
12:27	jnthn	oh ffs
12:27	jnthn	std: sub foo() { my $cur = ++(state $); return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:27	camelia	std 0f2049c: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 133m␤»
12:27	lizmat	I get the picture
12:27	jnthn	std: sub foo() { my $cur = ++state $; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:27	camelia	std 0f2049c: OUTPUT«ok 00:01 131m␤»
12:27	jnthn	How on earth does STD avoid screwing those up...hmm
12:28	lizmat	m: ub foo() { my $cur = ++state $ ; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:28	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUTÂ«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/zPSijU9wThâ�¤Unexpected block in infix position (two terms in a row, or previous statement missing semicolon?)â�¤at /tmp/zPSijU9wTh:1â�¤------> [32mub foo() [33mâ��[31m{ my $cur = ++state $ ; retâ€¦Â»
12:28	lizmat	m: sub foo() { my $cur = ++state $ ; return -> { say $cur } }; my ($a, $b) = foo, foo; $a(); $b();
12:28	camelia	rakudo-moar a6e278: OUTPUT«1␤2␤»
12:28	lizmat	a space does wonders :-)
12:31	jnthn	Whee. Provided this next spectest goes fine, then we can have another 16MB off Rakudo's base memory
12:31	jnthn	Or half the memory of starting the REPL
12:31	lizmat	cool!
12:34	carlin	ohh nice
12:41	jnthn	And not deserializing those saves a bit more off startup too
12:42	lizmat	r: sub a { OUTER::<$a> = 1 }; a # what's wrong with this picture?
12:42	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable Any␤ in method assign_key at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:1794␤ in sub postcircumfix:<{ }> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:2659␤ in sub a at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤ in block at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
12:42	camelia	..rakudo-jvm 07f142: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
12:42	camelia	..rakudo-parrot 07f142: OUTPUT«Cannot modify an immutable value␤ in method assign_key at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:1798␤ in method assign_key at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:1796␤ in sub postcircumfix:<{ }> at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:2664␤ in sub postcircumfix:<{ }> at gen/parrot…»
12:43	jnthn	There's no $a? :)
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12:43	jnthn	And a lexpad is immutable, so we can't make one come to be.
12:44	lizmat	so it's more an LTA error message
12:44	jnthn	We could be able to do better than that, yeah.
12:45	lizmat	r: sub a { BEGIN UNIT::<$a> = 1 } # and this?
12:45	carlin	jnthn++ memory--
12:45	camelia	rakudo-jvm 07f142: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤ctxlexpad requires an operand with REPR ContextRef␤»
12:45	camelia	..rakudo-parrot 07f142: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot modify an immutable value␤»
12:45	camelia	..rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Cannot modify an immutable Any␤»
12:46	spider-mario	oh, I see that * 2014.06 was ready or nearly ready
12:46	jnthn	That one arguably could be made to work but it will be highly non-trivial.
12:46	spider-mario	why was it not released?
12:46	lizmat	FWIW, I'm trying to make the effects of "use lib" lexical
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12:49	jnthn	spider-mario: Some module test failure, iirc
12:49	spider-mario	oh
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12:50	jnthn	lizmat: Is there a spec'd way for writing such lexical pragma-ish things?
12:50	lizmat	Good question... not that I know offhand... will go search spec
12:51	jnthn	I mean, it seems if there was a way to have a sub like EXPORT but that is run by the compiler at the point the thingy is going out to scope, then you'd ahve a much easier job :)
12:52	lizmat	indeed, a bit like a LEAVE
12:52	lizmat	but at compile time
12:53	jnthn	UNEXPORT :P
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12:54	lizmat	still, the effect should also exist at runtime
12:55	lizmat	e.g., when doing a "need" inside a scope with a "use lib"
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12:55	lizmat	afaics, we only have specifications of many lexical pragma's
12:55	lizmat	but no specification on how they should be implemented
13:00	lizmat	so it feels we need to be able to "freeze" a lexotic value to a scope
13:00	lizmat	at compile time, having the same value at runtime
13:00	jnthn	Well, exporting said value would do it.
13:01	lizmat	but exporting as what? a lexical var? a dynamic var? a lexical sub ?
13:07	jnthn	Whatever suits; I'd thought for lib you're more interested in side-effects (adding/removing search path), though?
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13:20	FROGGS	m: our @INC; say @*INC # jnthn: is that meant to be like that?
13:20	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«␤»
13:21	FROGGS	that feels like GLOBAL would be identical to PROCESS, right?
13:21	FROGGS	I hit that in v5 currently
13:23	lizmat	jnthn: indeed... adding is no problem, removing is :-(
13:25	FROGGS	m: our @INC; say "@INC=@INC[]"; say ' GLOBAL::=' ~ GLOBAL::.gist; say ' PROCESS::<@INC>=' ~ PROCESS::<@INC>
13:25	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«@*INC=␤ GLOBAL::=("\@INC" => []).hash␤ PROCESS::<@INC>=/home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6/lib /home/p6eval/rakudo-inst-1/languages/perl6␤»
13:26	FROGGS	so that means that looking up @*INC means looking for @INC in any package
13:26	FROGGS	no, not any, just GLOBAL
13:26	pmurias	has anyone here used webpack befoe?
13:26	pmurias	* before
13:26	FROGGS	I don't even know what it is
13:28	lizmat	cycling&
13:30	dalek	nqp: 00b94e4 \| jnthn++ \| src/NQP/ (2 files):
13:30	dalek	nqp: Annotate variable usages with types.
13:30	dalek	nqp:
13:30	dalek	nqp: This fixes a bug where codegen for $i++ on a variable declared as a
13:30	dalek	nqp: native int came out far worse than $i := $i + 1.
13:30	dalek	nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/00b94e4157
13:30	FROGGS	ohh nice
13:30	jnthn	m: say $?PACKAGE
13:30	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«(GLOBAL)␤»
13:30	jnthn	Your program starts in GLOBAL
13:31	jnthn	So declaring an our var in the mainline will declare soemthing that works as a $*foo lookup fallback
13:31	FROGGS	and a dynamic variable should look in GLOBAL and then PROCESS?
13:31	carlin	all these fixes, speed ups and memory improvements are wonderful
13:31	jnthn	FROGGS: yes
13:31	FROGGS	jnthn: okay, then I have to let my v5 blocks not start in GLOBAL :/
13:37	pmurias	dynamic variables and non-dynamic variables are declared the same way?
13:38	jnthn	Well, with my, yes. my $*foo = ...
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13:38	pmurias	on the QAST level
13:38	jnthn	They're really just lexicals.
13:39	jnthn	I'm not sure what happens if you set 'contextual' as the scope on a decl
13:39	jnthn	If it handles it, it'll do so by pretending it's lexical, I expect
13:40	* pmurias	checks
13:40	jnthn	I glanced QAST -> MAST and it doesn't handle 'contextual' as a kind of declaration.
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13:41	jnthn	It even goes so far as to rewrite $*foo access in the same scope it's declared in as a normal lexical access
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13:42	pmurias	this forces a performance penalty on the js backend
13:43	jnthn	How so?
13:44	jnthn	Also, note that the NQP optimizer kills most lexicals
13:44	jnthn	(They become locals)
13:45	timotimo	o/
13:45	pmurias	jnthn: and how does the NQP optimizer determin if something is a dynamic variable?
13:45	pmurias	* determine
13:46	jnthn	Looks for a * in the name, iirc
13:46	pmurias	jnthn: non-dynamic variables can be turned into regular variables
13:48	jnthn	We could consider making declarations of dynamic variables be done with contextual I guess, so compilers can use the hint
13:48	jnthn	Thing is that in Rakudo it's more involved
13:48	jnthn	It's not just about the name
13:48	jnthn	$/, $_, and $! are contextual for example
13:49	jnthn	There's an "is dynamic" trait that controls it
13:50	pmurias	it seems to be enforced at runtime too
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13:50	jnthn	Yes
13:50	jnthn	Well, for late-bound lookups it is
13:51	jnthn	I mean, through pseudostash
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13:57	timotimo	how pessimal is pseudostash anyway?
13:58	jnthn	Very.
13:58	jnthn	Well, compared to without it :)
13:58	timotimo	right
13:58	timotimo	good thing we don't use it anywhere performance-specific. right?
13:58	jnthn	We'd better not be doing :)
13:59	jnthn	OUTER::<$x> is one of those cases where we'll likely get the optimizer to re-write it - or even just the compiler to generate it differently.
13:59	jnthn	And thus avoid the pseudostash
13:59	timotimo	right, in almost all cases we ought to know the actual outer
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15:50	itz	MIME::Base64 fails with t/binary-and-long-line.t under version 2014.07-97-g07f142f built on MoarVM version 2014.07-88-gfb13b5e
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16:06	itz	ah "Breaking API change; requires NQP and Rakudo updates." :)
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16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 981b5b0 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Don't assume that the $=pod entry we need is there
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/981b5b0095
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: dca28f6 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Fix plan
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/dca28f6ebb
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 2e04775 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-trailing (2 files):
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Integrate alternative trailing test
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/2e047751bd
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 0b90da2 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-trailing.t:
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Don't crash if we're expecting a WHY and there is none
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/0b90da2bd4
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 46e2bb4 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-trailing.t:
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Fix up trailing test
16:23	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/46e2bb4634
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16:35	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 75d3ff9 \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
16:35	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: A note on test levels
16:35	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/75d3ff977b
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18:18	Sterver	Hi all! I want to learn Perl, and I want to ask, if I should learn Perl 5 before 6 or I can learn Perl 6 without any knowlege of Perl?
18:19	FROGGS	Sterver: you can learn Perl 6 right away, we have quite a lot of ppl who do not know Perl 5
18:21	Sterver	FROGGS: Ok, thanks. And is there any good tutorial which you recommend?
18:22	FROGGS	Sterver: perhaps this? https://github.com/Nami-Doc/learnxinyminutes-docs/blob/master/perl6.html.markdown
18:23	FROGGS	this is not what I would call up to date, but it is a start too: https://cloud.github.com/downloads/perl6/book/2012.05.23.a4.pdf
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18:25	Sterver	FROGGS: Yeah, thanks for both :)
18:26	FROGGS	Sterver: have fun learning it, and don't hesitate to ask
18:26	FROGGS	m: say 42.WHAT # or try things here (or via privmsg to camelia)
18:26	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
18:27	Sterver	FROGGS: Ok, thanks :)
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18:31	vendethiel	guess who's back, under the rain ... o/, #perl6.
18:31	FROGGS	hi vendethiel
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18:34	* vendethiel	is pretty depressed to have suffered from greats downpour 2 times already since august started.
18:35	FROGGS	hmmmm, I like rain
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18:36	vendethiel	FROGGS: don't get me wrong -- I love rain. But not when I'm under it with no way to ... stay safe :p
18:36	FROGGS	well, you just get wet then, no? :o)
18:37	* liztormato	is waiting for a thunderstorm to pass
18:37	liztormato	For over an hour now :-(
18:38	vendethiel	FROGGS: yes, and since I have a cold already, I'd rather avoid spend the only 3 weeks of holidays I have this year in a bed :P.
18:39	vendethiel	.oO( Love's like those funny videos: they're funny, until you're the joke )
18:39	FROGGS	vendethiel: okay, this is something I can agree with
18:39	FROGGS	:o)
18:39	vendethiel	Rain. Not love. Keyboard, what are you doing
18:41	liztormato	Our cover is getting saturated and is starting to leak :-(
18:41	FROGGS	ewww
18:42	* FROGGS	.oO( Make Love, Not Rain )
18:42	liztormato	Ah well. We've already given on getting home dry
18:47	liztormato	*up
18:54	FROGGS	m: grammar G { token TOP { <?a> }; token a { . } }; class A { method a($/) { say 'ohh?' } }; say G.parse("a", :actions(A))
18:54	camelia	rakudo-moar 07f142: OUTPUT«ohh?␤(Any)␤»
18:54	FROGGS	jnthn: do we need to call the action method for a look ahead?
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19:08	masak	lizmat: hope you get home OK! we're rooting for you back here in .se :)
19:08	masak	"all in one piece" and "not struck by lightning" are more important than "completely dry"...
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19:15	jnthn	FROGGS: Well, the action method is called by the rule itself...
19:15	jnthn	FROGGS: I'd avoid putting things with side-effects in lookaheads :)
19:15	FROGGS	jnthn: I know that I should not do it :o)
19:16	FROGGS	jnthn: question was more about saving some method invocation here
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19:24	vendethiel	Idris just got a ruby backend. wow
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19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: d3f1bb6 \| coke++ \| log/ (14 files):
19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: today (automated commit)
19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: review: https://github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/commit/d3f1bb6c90
19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: a9c0e51 \| coke++ \| log/ (14 files):
19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: today (automated commit)
19:31	dalek	rakudo-star-daily: review: https://github.com/coke/rakudo-star-daily/commit/a9c0e513cf
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: 32a8261 \| coke++ \| / (5 files):
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/32a8261683
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: a9ab1d5 \| coke++ \| / (5 files):
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
19:31	dalek	perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/a9ab1d5c47
19:43	[Coke]	.seen moritz
19:43	yoleaux	I saw moritz 1 Aug 2014 14:11Z in #perl6: <moritz> you are welcome to make the build system more flexible, but that will also be "marginally" frustrating
19:45	[Coke]	failures: n: 1386; jvm: 19, moar: 6 , parrot: 1699
19:45	[Coke]	Is anyone here interested in keeping niecza green?
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20:10	vendethiel	looks like Idris is going rakudo's way, and going greatly at it.
20:10	vendethiel	C backend, llvm backend, node/js backend, ruby backend ...
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20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: 3a140f0 \| (Tobias Leich)++ \| src/core/CompUnitRepo/Local/File.pm:
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: implement CompUnitRepo::Local::File.files()
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom:
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: Now we would be in a position to require .pl scripts by path.
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3a140f08e5
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: 0ce18d6 \| (Tobias Leich)++ \| src/core/CompUnit.pm:
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: fix signature of CompUnit.new
20:37	dalek	rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/0ce18d6b5b
20:58	[Coke]	is Andrew Parker her?
20:58	[Coke]	*here
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21:47	gamo	m: $t = time; for (1..100000) -> $i { ; } ; say time-$t;
21:47	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUTÂ«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/3pj2SNRTHnâ�¤Variable '$t' is not declaredâ�¤at /tmp/3pj2SNRTHn:1â�¤------> [32m$t[33mâ��[31m = time; for (1..100000) -> $i { ; } ; s[0mâ�¤ expecting any of:â�¤ postfixâ�¤Â»
21:47	[Coke]	gamo: ENOMY
21:48	[Coke]	m: my $t = time; for (1..100000) -> $i { ; } ; say time-$t;
21:48	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUTÂ«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/2ei36twVzxâ�¤Undeclared routine:â�¤ time used at line 1â�¤â�¤Â»
21:49	[Coke]	m: my $t = time; for (1..100000) -> $i { ; } ; say time - $t;
21:49	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUT«0␤»
21:49	gamo	zero?
21:50	hoelzro	ahoy #perl6
21:50	jnthn	Probably rounded down?
21:50	jnthn	m: for (1..100000) -> $i { ; }; say now - ENTER now
21:50	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUT«use of uninitialized value of type Nil in numeric context in block at /tmp/zbJxwLJlHG:1␤␤Instant:1407102680.529718␤»
21:50	jnthn	ah
21:51	jnthn	m: my $t = now; for (1..100000) -> $i { ; }; say now - $t
21:51	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUT«0.2909114␤»
21:51	jnthn	Yeah
21:51	[Coke]	m: say time; say now
21:51	camelia	rakudo-moar 0ce18d: OUTPUT«1407102685␤Instant:1407102720.639769␤»
21:51	jnthn	time is nearest second I guess
21:52	gamo	pretty fast, but I think it's the machine
21:53	jnthn	Dunno how fast the machine it's on is running
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22:00	gamo	0.34 in my i7
22:01	gamo	anyway I think perl6 is slower than perl5
22:12	jnthn	Yes, for most things it still is. The difference used to be worse, though, and there's plenty of performance work to come.
22:13	gamo	thanks, jnthn
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: e17049b \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Fix multi line test in why-leading
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/e17049b80d
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: 5af62dc \| (Rob Hoelz)++ \| S26-documentation/why-leading.t:
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: Fix broken tests in why-leading
22:21	dalek	roast/S26-WHY: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/5af62dcaa0
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22:42	PerlJam	[Coke]: ping
22:53	hoelzro	roles are usually built out of a ParametricRoleHOW, right?
22:53	hoelzro	PerlJam: btw, way to go on those test improvements!
22:53	hoelzro	I love the idea of the helper function
22:53	hoelzro	now we have a lot of broke tests to fix =)
22:55	PerlJam	hoelzro: good deal :)
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23:08	[Coke]	PerlJam: PONGPONG
23:08	timotimo	o/
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: 9d5ece5 \| duff++ \| tools/build/gen-version.nqp:
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: Create an NQP verison of gen-version.pl (untested)
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/9d5ece59e1
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: bcb31fa \| duff++ \| tools/build/nqp-jvm-rr.nqp:
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: Create NQP version of nqp-jvm-rr.pl (untested)
23:11	dalek	rakudo/nqp-dogfood: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/bcb31fa2ff
23:12	PerlJam	[Coke]: I got to thinking about dogfooding the other perl programs in tools/build, so I started in on a couple of others (as seen in the most recent commits)
23:13	PerlJam	[Coke]: I was wondering if you wanted to test them out or give feedback or something
23:13	PerlJam	I probably won't have time to play with them much more until late tomorrow
23:15	[Coke]	if the build works for you, I'd say push it.
23:16	[Coke]	we have the daily runs to catch at least any linux failures.
23:16	[Coke]	plus you have a good track record.
23:16	[Coke]	Do we have a way to todo rakudo tests based on some condition?
23:16	PerlJam	Well, I've not done a build with them yet. (too busy learning how to do things in NQP :)
23:17	PerlJam	maybe I'll do that tomorrow (or late tonight if I have some time)
23:17	[Coke]	ah, then sure, leave them in a branch and I'll at least give them a shot on moar.
23:17	PerlJam	Coke++ thanks, that would be awesome.
23:19	PerlJam	I've got to go get ready for a night out with the family, talk to you guys later
23:19	* PerlJam	&
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23:40	dalek	roast: 9d14f3c \| coke++ \| S16-filehandles/filestat.t:
23:40	dalek	roast: RT #122467 - conditionally todo on osx
23:40	dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/9d14f3c78f
23:40	synopsebot	Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=122467
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23:45	[Coke]	is anyone seeing t/spec/S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t fail on their box?
23:45	[Coke]	(moar/osx here)
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23:55	Mouq	o/
23:55	yoleaux	31 Jul 2014 14:17Z <moritz> Mouq: about broken links on doc.perl6.org, see http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2014-07-31#i_9113080
23:59	dalek	roast: 3d9d73e \| coke++ \| S32-io/IO-Socket-Async.t:
23:59	dalek	roast: moar fudging, some mac specific
23:59	dalek	roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/3d9d73ecaa
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