IRC log for #perl6, 2016-09-13

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02:20	AlexDaniel	m: my @chars = (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:20	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: ( no output )
02:20	AlexDaniel	m: say (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:20	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«(✈ ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????)␤»
02:20	AlexDaniel	m: .say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr.uninames
02:20	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«Cannot resolve caller uninames(List); none of these signatures match:␤ (Str:D $str)␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
02:21	AlexDaniel	m: uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:21	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Calling uniname() will never work with any of these multi signatures:␤ (Str:D $str) ␤ (Int:D $code)␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3<BOL>7⏏5uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.unin␤»
02:21	AlexDaniel	m: .uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:21	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING MILITARY AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING SMALL AIRPLANE␤SMALL AIRPLANE␤NORTHEAST-POINTING AIRPLANE␤AIRPLANE DEPARTURE␤AIRPLANE ARRIVING␤»
02:21	AlexDaniel	wait a minute, why is it so fast?
02:21	AlexDaniel	committable6: HEAD .uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:21	committable6	AlexDaniel, ¦«HEAD»: AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING MILITARY AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING SMALL AIRPLANE␤SMALL AIRPLANE␤NORTHEAST-POINTING AIRPLANE␤AIRPLANE DEPARTURE␤AIRPLANE ARRIVING
02:21	AlexDaniel	committable6: 2015.12 .uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:21	committable6	AlexDaniel, ¦«2015.12»: AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING MILITARY AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING AIRPLANE␤UP-POINTING SMALL AIRPLANE␤SMALL AIRPLANE␤NORTHEAST-POINTING AIRPLANE␤AIRPLANE DEPARTURE␤AIRPLANE ARRIVING
02:22	AlexDaniel	benchable6: 2015.12,HEAD .uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:22	benchable6	AlexDaniel, starting to benchmark the 2 given commits
02:22	benchable6	AlexDaniel, benchmarked the given commits, now zooming in on performance differences
02:22	benchable6	AlexDaniel, ¦«2015.12»:1.2373␤¦«HEAD»:1.0631
02:23	AlexDaniel	hm, it has always been fast then
02:23	AlexDaniel	benchable6: releases .uniname.say for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /AIRPLANE/})».chr
02:23	benchable6	AlexDaniel, starting to benchmark the 11 given commits
02:24	benchable6	AlexDaniel, benchmarked the given commits, now zooming in on performance differences
02:24	benchable6	AlexDaniel, ¦«2015.10»:1.1376␤¦«2015.11»:1.1407␤¦«2015.12»:1.1768␤¦«2016.02»:1.1883␤¦«2016.03»:1.2774␤¦«2016.04»:1.2801␤¦«64fbc84»:1.3483␤¦«d3acb93»:1.2246␤¦«2016.05»:1.1342␤¦«2016.06»:1.0945␤¦«2016.07.1»:1.0498␤¦«2016.08.1»:1.0445␤¦«HEAD»:1.0812
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02:25	AlexDaniel	MasterDuke: where is my graph? :)
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02:26	AlexDaniel	MasterDuke: by the way, it looks like it extracts archives on each iteration
02:32	SmokeMachine____	If someone have time, could, please, give me some comments about the first version of my project? (https://github.com/FCO/Test-Fuzz). The idea is to create a framework that runs some generative tests to your functions (and in the future methods too) marked as "fuzzed"...
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02:37	MasterDuke	SmokeMachine____: i'd think -0 would actually be a very good test case
02:37	SmokeMachine____	this is a example of use: https://github.com/FCO/Test-Fuzz/blob/master/test.p6
02:38	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: -0?
02:39	MasterDuke	https://github.com/FCO/Test-Fuzz/blob/master/Test/Fuzz.pm#L53
02:39	SmokeMachine____	:P
02:40	SmokeMachine____	ok, removing the unless...
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02:48	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: so... what are you thinking about it?
02:52	AlexDaniel	m: say “$_ → {.uniname}” for (0..0x1FFFF).grep({.uniname ~~ /«OLDER/})».chr
02:52	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«???? → OLDER MAN␤???? → OLDER WOMAN␤»
02:52	MasterDuke	looks nice. but i gotta admit i know almost nothing about testing frameworks, so i don't really have anything to compare against
02:52	AlexDaniel	.oO( what about YOUNGER variants? )
02:52	AlexDaniel	.oO( … YOUNGER OLDER WOMAN ? )
02:54	* TimToady	needs a CHILDISH GEEZER...
02:54	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: In this case it "only have to" generate inputs for the function run the function and test the output...
02:55	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: Thanks for the time and for the comment!
02:57	MasterDuke	and if i understand correctly it uses generators for each type in the signature (of which you've implemented Int and UInt so far)?
02:57	SmokeMachine____	that's it...
02:58	SmokeMachine____	and you can use "fuzz-generator" to create new generators for custom types...
02:58	AlexDaniel	TimToady: ????? :)
02:59	MasterDuke	cool
03:00	mspo	???? just crashed my firefox
03:00	mspo	I also don't have a console font icon for it
03:00	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: Ill create other generators...
03:01	TimToady	AlexDaniel: Ho, ho, ho!
03:02	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: I think I should have different generators for :_, :D and :U...
03:03	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: I don't know how to do that...
03:04	SmokeMachine____	yes
03:05	SmokeMachine____	yet (sorry)
03:05	MasterDuke	multi fuzz-generator(UInt:D) doesn't work?
03:05	perigrin	pretty sure that's called "laundromat dryer"
03:06	skids	m: use NativeCall; class A { my $.foo = class :: is repr("CStruct") { has int $.a; has int $.b; } }; A.foo.perl.say; class D is repr("CStruct") { };
03:06	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«<anon\|86927184>␤»
03:06	skids	m: use NativeCall; class A { my $.foo = class :: is repr("CStruct") { has int $.a; has int $.b; } }; A.foo.perl.say; class D is repr("CStruct") { constant foo = A.foo.perl.say; };
03:06	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«Any␤Any␤»
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03:08	SmokeMachine____	m: my $f = sub bla(Int:D $a){}; $f.signature.params.first.type
03:08	skids	m: class A { my $.foo = class :: { has int $.a; has int $.b; } }; A.foo.perl.say; class D { constant foo = A.foo.perl.say; }; # not a NativeCall thing. Good.
03:08	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: ( no output )
03:08	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«Any␤Any␤»
03:08	SmokeMachine____	m: my $f = sub bla(Int:D $a){}; $f.signature.params.first.type.say
03:08	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«(Int)␤»
03:08	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: ^^
03:09	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: thats how I choose the generator
03:11	MasterDuke	hmm, that might require help from someone more knowledgeable than i
03:16	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: I found!
03:16	SmokeMachine____	m: my $f = sub bla(Int:D $a){}; $f.signature.params.first.modifier
03:16	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: ( no output )
03:16	SmokeMachine____	m: my $f = sub bla(Int:D $a){}; $f.signature.params.first.modifier.say
03:16	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«:D␤»
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03:18	MasterDuke	oh nice
03:18	MasterDuke	didn't know about modifier
03:18	SmokeMachine____	me neither...
03:40	skids	m: class A { my $.bar = 42; }; class D { constant bar = A.bar.say; }; A.bar.say; # RT#129261 filed.
03:40	synopsebot6	Link: https://rt.perl.org/rt3//Public/Bug/Display.html?id=129261
03:40	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«(Any)␤(Any)␤»
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03:50	TimToady	m: BEGIN class A { my $.bar = 42; }; class D { constant bar = A.bar.say; }; A.bar.say;
03:50	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«42␤42␤»
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03:51	TimToady	m: class A { my $.bar = 42; }; A.bar.say;
03:51	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«42␤»
03:52	TimToady	weird
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03:54	TimToady	m: class A { my $.bar = 42; }; class D { my constant bar = 43 }; A.bar.say;
03:54	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«42␤»
03:54	TimToady	m: class A { my $.bar = 42; }; class D { BEGIN A.bar.say; }; A.bar.say;
03:54	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«(Any)␤(Any)␤»
03:55	TimToady	m: class A { my $.bar = 42; }; BEGIN A.bar.say; A.bar.say;
03:55	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«(Any)␤(Any)␤»
03:58	TimToady	skids: ^^
04:00	* skids	adds to ticket.
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04:09	TimToady	m: class A { BEGIN my $.bar = 42; }; BEGIN A.bar.say; END A.bar.say;
04:09	camelia	rakudo-moar 22946e: OUTPUT«42␤42␤»
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04:38	SmokeMachine____	MasterDuke: https://github.com/FCO/Test-Fuzz/commit/572557445ec1272b72c1299b7fe8c63d0059894e
04:39	SmokeMachine____	now it accepts generators with smileys
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06:31	wamba	m: use URI; say IETF::RFC_Grammar.new("rfc3986")
06:31	camelia	rakudo-moar 6a4ba7: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find URI at line 1 in:␤ /home/camelia/.perl6␤ /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site␤ /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor␤ /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6␤ CompUnit::Repositor…»
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07:22	* lizmat	clickbaits https://p6weekly.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/warmen-up-das-youtuben/
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07:25	leejo	lizmat: are your perl6 module slides from APW available online? my module is "ready" to be released \o/
07:25	lizmat	leejo: no, I guess I should make them available :-)
07:25	leejo	ok :)
07:26	leejo	https://github.com/leejo/geo-ip2location-lite-p6/blob/master/lib/Geo/IP2Location/Lite.pm # it feels like i could make this more idiomatic (e.g. the list of constants and the multiple get_ methods) i'm not sure though?
07:27	moritz	leejo: at least the list of constants sounds like a good use case for an enum
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07:29	lizmat	leejo: I also see some superstitious parens
07:29	moritz	leejo: and you could generate the accessors, something like for %method_to_constant.kv -> $name, $constant { self.^add_method("get_$name", method (IPv4 $ip) { self!get_by_pos( $ip, $constant ) } );
07:29	lizmat	"if (foo == bar) {" can be written as "if foo == bar {" in Perl 6
07:29	leejo	yeah i need to remove a few more of the extraneous params
07:30	leejo	moritz: ta! i was going to do something like that
07:30	lizmat	also, like in Perl 5, you don't need a "return" at the end of a sub
07:31	lizmat	but that could be a stylistic decision :-)
07:31	leejo	:)
07:31	lizmat	!readFloat looks wrong at the end: one or two return's too many (depending how you look at it
07:31	lizmat	)
07:32	leejo	oops, yep
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07:47	CIAvash	This command doesn't finish running, am I doing something wrong? perl6 --target=parse -e 'sub ($a, $b) {}'
07:47	CIAvash	a sub with one parameter works
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07:51	DrForr	Well, it's obviously to do with the '--target=parse' parameter, as "-e 'sub ($a, $b) {}'" does just fine.
07:58	nine	Endless recursion in QRegex.dump
07:59	wamba	perl6 -e 'use URI; say IETF::RFC_Grammar.new("rfc3986")'
07:59	wamba	Outputs: IETF::RFC_Grammar.new(rfc => "rfc3986", grammar => IETF::RFC_Grammar::URI, parse_result => Any)
07:59	wamba	Does "use module" export all modules used in the module?
07:59	nine	wamba: right now, yes. Though that's unintentional and subject to change.
08:00	wamba	nine, OK. thank you
08:03	ShimmerFairy	nine: interesting. I think you could just as easily argue that things the module makes use of will likely be need by the module user (e.g. module Foo giving back data from module Bar direct to the user, which would then need module Bar to continue manipulating that data)
08:05	nine	ShimmerFairy: global registration of module short names prevents the promised feature of being able to load multiple versions of a module.
08:06	ShimmerFairy	I'm not sure I see the cause-effect there. What about the globalness of it makes it suddenly impossible?
08:07	nine	ShimmerFairy: "P6M Merging GLOBAL symbols failed: duplicate definition of symbol $sym"
08:07	ShimmerFairy	nine: do you mean loading different versions in different places? Like sub foo { { use Foo:ver<1>; ... }; { use Foo:ver<2>; ... } } ?
08:08	nine	yes
08:08	ShimmerFairy	ok, I was thinking you meant loading different versions in the same scope :)
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08:14	nine	Also funny side effects like use Catalyst:from<Perl5>; and suddenly you cannot use URI or HTTP::Request anymore, since the Perl 5 modules share those names and are already loaded.
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08:26	CIAvash	nine: Should I file a bug report for --target=parse?
08:27	lizmat	CIAvash: please do :-)
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08:38	CIAvash	https://rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=129262
08:42	zengargoyle	moritz: thanks for fixing MoarVM #403
08:44	moritz	zengargoyle: you're very welcome
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11:10	* moritz	drops a pin
11:11	* rjt_pl	steps on it
11:11	nine	sssssht!
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11:20	DrForr	. o ( Put your weight on it... )
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11:47	dalek	doc: aa1c55e \| (Thor Michael Støre)++ \| doc/Type/DateTime.pod6:
11:47	dalek	doc: Fixed timestamp format string
11:47	dalek	doc:
11:47	dalek	doc: Removed superfluous : from timestamp format string
11:47	dalek	doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/aa1c55e8f9
11:47	dalek	doc: c102f85 \| Altai-man++ \| doc/Type/DateTime.pod6:
11:47	dalek	doc: Merge pull request #904 from thormick/fix-timestamp-format-string
11:47	dalek	doc:
11:47	dalek	doc: Fixed timestamp format string
11:47	dalek	doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/c102f85a74
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12:10	smls	Are threads supposed to see dynamic variables declared in the mainline prior to starting the thread?
12:11	jnthn	No
12:11	jnthn	A start block will go the extra mile to make that happen
12:11	jnthn	But if you work directly with threads then every one has its own fresh dynamic scope
12:11	smls	I'm using `start` though
12:12	jnthn	m: sub foo() { my $a = 41; bar() }; sub bar() { start { $a + 1 } }; say await foo
12:12	camelia	rakudo-moar c86695: OUTPUT«42␤»
12:12	smls	Adding an `await`...`start` caused `Dynamic variable $*tmpdir not found, even though it was found without it.
12:13	smls	jnthn: Yes, I can't seem to golf the problem either. But in that large script, it happens... :P
12:13	jnthn	Well, it's either the script at fault, or a bug. :)
12:13	jnthn	I don't have any guesses at what could break it though, fwiw
12:13	jnthn	It just takes the CALLER:: of whatever calls Promise.start iirc
12:13	jnthn	Which is what a start { ... } compiles into a call to
12:13	smls	m: our $a = 42; await start { await start { say $a } }
12:13	camelia	rakudo-moar c86695: OUTPUT«Dynamic variable $*a not found␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
12:13	smls	aha! ^^
12:14	jnthn	m: my $a = 42; say $a.VAR.dynamic
12:14	camelia	rakudo-moar c86695: OUTPUT«True␤»
12:14	jnthn	m: our $a = 42; say $a.VAR.dynamic
12:14	camelia	rakudo-moar c86695: OUTPUT«True␤»
12:14	jnthn	Hm, not that then
12:14	smls	Should that still work, when it's 2 levels deep into `start`?
12:15	jnthn	Oh, I thought it was about the our...
12:15	jnthn	Umm...I guess it'd be nice if it worked.
12:16	jnthn	Can RT it; I don't see why we can't fix that.
12:16	smls	ok, will RT
12:18	jnthn	Thanks :)
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12:26	masak	ahoj, #perl6
12:27	* masak	typo'd it as '#perl76', and imagined a distant future where the Perl 75 people fret about Perl 76 squatting the version number, despite it being a rewrite-from-scratch
12:28	timotimo	:D
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12:47	smls	m: $GLOBAL::a = 42; await start { await start { say $GLOBAL::a } }
12:47	camelia	rakudo-moar c86695: OUTPUT«42␤»
12:47	Pierre_	Small question, when adding a module to the eco system, better to use
12:47	Pierre_	unit module Foo::Bar:ver<v0.0.1>:auth<github:xxx>;
12:47	Pierre_	or
12:47	Pierre_	unit module Foo::Bar;
12:47	Pierre_	i see a lot of both, so i am wondering
12:48	nine	Pierre_: version and auth are taken from the META6.json file. No real need to put it in the source, too.
12:49	Pierre_	ok, so i guess it's more if locally, i want to mangaged several version of some personnal project
12:49	Pierre_	then there is not meta, it could be taken from the source, but then, the files would collides with the same name
12:50	Pierre_	also, i guess with the current way of storing modules on github, we are not able to able several version, or should i create release and tag them with the same version number?
12:51	nine	You can even have a META6.json locally when you run "perl6 -Ilib" and there's ./META6.json and ./lib/Whatever.pm6
12:53	timotimo	it could very well be that zef already supports tags on github?
12:53	* timotimo	wonders, then shrugs
12:53	timotimo	i should really be using zef more than panda
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12:56	Pierre_	https://github.com/tony-o/perl6-zef/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=version
12:57	Pierre_	i do not see anything related to version when installing
12:58	timotimo	maybe "tag" or something?
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12:59	Pierre_	the install part seems to jsut take a package name
12:59	Pierre_	hum, i am on an old repo
13:01	Pierre_	from the new repo
13:01	Pierre_	`zef install "CSV::Parser:auth<tony-o>:ver<0.1.2>"`
13:01	Pierre_	it seems that it handles version
13:01	timotimo	mhm
13:01	Pierre_	https://github.com/ugexe/zef
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13:15	ugexe	nine: what about for versioning specific modules of a distribution instead of the distribution itself?
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: 2d8d789 \| (Julien Simonet)++ \| META.list:
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: Add IRC::Client::Plugin::UserPoints
13:16	dalek	ecosystem:
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: This is a plugin for IRC::Client, counting points attributed to users.
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/2d8d78938d
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: 3fd7522 \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| META.list:
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: Merge pull request #248 from jsimonet/patch-1
13:16	dalek	ecosystem:
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: Add IRC::Client::Plugin::UserPoints: https://github.com/jsimonet/IRC-Client-Plugin-UserPoints
13:16	dalek	ecosystem: review: https://github.com/perl6/ecosystem/commit/3fd752271b
13:16	ugexe	i dont know if thats actually useful, just the one thing i can think of where it would make sense
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13:17	ugexe	i imagine :api<> will be more useful for that
13:18	timotimo	aye, :api<> is interesting
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13:24	nine	ugexe: no plan yet how to support that. But the :api case crossed my mind. Right now you'd have to upload separate dists.
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13:27	Woodi	simple case: if something provide usable api then make it separate dist :)
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13:28	Woodi	anyway, for now "distribution" is strange name to me. how it is defined ?
13:29	Woodi	in p5 it was: bunch of some related/useful modules, IMO
13:31	timotimo	i think our dists are "the smallest unit of installable"
13:32	Woodi	timotimo: that's nice definition :)
13:34	Woodi	I just got impression we have modules and at some level of details somehow/someway it is turning into dists... but probably I just forgot what jnthn++ specced... # also no idea what package is :)
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13:53	tobor	m: BEGIN @*ARGS = <blah dsaa>; multi MAIN ( @steps where { $_ eq <foo bar ber>.any or fail "blarg" } ) { say "entre" }
13:53	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ <tmp> <steps> ␤»
13:53	tobor	How come it doesn't die during arg.... oh god
13:53	tobor	m: BEGIN @*ARGS = <blah dsaa>; multi MAIN ( @steps where { $_ eq <foo bar ber>.any or die "blarg" } ) { say "entre" }
13:53	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«Usage:␤ <tmp> <steps> ␤»
13:53	tobor	Nope.. Thought the issue was the fail. How come it doesn't die during type check?
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13:56	tobor	m: BEGIN @ARGS = <blah dsaa>; sub MAIN ( @steps ) { @steps.all eq <foo bar ber>.any or fail "blarg"; say "entre" }
13:56	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«blarg␤ in sub MAIN at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤Actually thrown at:␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
13:56	tobor	BEGIN @ARGS = <blah dsaa>; multi MAIN ( @steps where { $_.all eq <foo bar ber>.any or fail "blarg" } ) { say "entre" }
13:56	tobor	m: BEGIN @ARGS = <blah dsaa>; multi MAIN ( @steps where { $_.all eq <foo bar ber>.any or fail "blarg" } ) { say "entre" }
13:56	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«blarg␤ in any at /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/runtime/CORE.setting.moarvm line 1␤ in sub MAIN at <tmp> line 1␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
13:57	tobor	m: BEGIN @ARGS = <blah dsaa>; subset Foo where { $_.all eq <foo bar ber>.any or fail "blarg" }; multi MAIN ( Foo @steps ) { say "entre" }
13:57	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Slurpy positional parameters with type constraints are not supported␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3ail "blarg" }; multi MAIN ( Foo *@steps 7⏏5) { say "entre" }␤ expecting any of:␤ constraint␤»
13:57	tobor	too bad
14:00	ugexe	Woodi: just a META6.json is a valid distribution. you can also have distributions that have no modules (for example: just bin files)
14:03	Pierre_	any advice on how to debug stuff like that"
14:03	Pierre_	Cannot locate symbol 'msgpack_pack_str' in native library 'libmsgpackc.dylib'
14:04	Pierre_	i have a function in the .h file
14:04	Pierre_	static int msgpack_pack_str(msgpack_packer* pk, size_t l);
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14:06	timotimo	if it's "static" you can't get to it
14:06	timotimo	that's what static does to a function in C
14:06	Pierre_	ah right,
14:06	Pierre_	i did not use C in so long
14:10	timotimo	long int no C
14:10	dalek	doc: a0f6515 \| (Zoffix Znet)++ \| doc/Type/Any.pod6:
14:10	dalek	doc: Include URL to what halting problem is
14:10	dalek	doc:
14:10	dalek	doc: For those who never heard of it.
14:10	dalek	doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/a0f651585e
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14:12	ugexe	my favorite part about active state is how they compile using a C89 compiler (maybe this changed recently, but i doubt it)
14:14	smls	Zoffix: re that commit, when would `flat` ever eat all RAM? I thought it always operates lazily, by returning a Seq?
14:14	smls	Maybe that paragraph was written pre-GLR?
14:14	moritz	s/Seq/Slip/
14:15	smls	m: say WHAT flat 1, (2, (3, (4, 5)))
14:15	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«(Seq)␤»
14:16	Pierre_	Hum, in my case, the library expose everything through static function, which means i would need to include the .h file
14:16	Pierre_	i'll take another look tomorrow :)
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14:17	ugexe	m: my $a := flat map { say $_ }, 1, 2, 3; $a[1]
14:17	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«1␤2␤»
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14:17	smls	Zoffix: The rest of that section is bogus too; flat does "recurse into sub lists", it's just that the example given uses nested Arrays, which get containerized by their parent Array.
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14:23	Woodi	ugexe: thanx
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14:31	MetaZoffix	smls: All my commit done is add a URL for a piece of text. I don't know why you're directing all of that critique to me. If the section sucks, commit a fix.
14:31	MetaZoffix	m: ^∞ .flat
14:32	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
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14:33	smls	Just pointing it out 'cause you were editing that part of the docs currently, so I thought maybe there's a reason you left it like that.
14:34	smls	m: say (^∞ .flat)[^10]; say "Alive";
14:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«(0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)␤Alive␤»
14:34	MetaZoffix	Nope. No reason. Just added a URL.
14:34	smls	ok
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14:38	optikalmouse	nice, perl6 :D
14:39	MetaZoffix	\o/
14:39	optikalmouse	I just tried rakudobrew, it works on os x, very pleased. I'm curious to know how big the performance diff is between moar and jvm; has someone done benchmarks of them and vs other languages?
14:39	optikalmouse	I'm hoping perl6 is faster than ruby ;-)
14:39	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse: not yet. We still have a ton of optimizations to do. Would you like to join the effort? :)
14:40	mst	I think it'll depend for what
14:40	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse: and JVM is much slower than Moar, in addition to being a bit incomplete ATM
14:40	mst	optikalmouse: basically, up until christmas last year, people were focusing on 'optimisable' more than 'optimised'
14:40	skids	jvm has very slow startup, and moarvm tends to get features first.
14:41	optikalmouse	MetaZoffix: unfortunately I'm just trying to get back into writing, I'm starting to see I'm more of a coach/evangelizer
14:41	MetaZoffix	:)
14:41	optikalmouse	though I would love to spend 2 months just perf optimizing things...if only I could have enough $$ for that :/
14:41	optikalmouse	skids: what's the name of the jvm implementation?
14:41	skids	rakudo :-)
14:41	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse: it's still the same compiler, you just tell it to use the jvm backend
14:41	skids	They are backends.
14:42	optikalmouse	ahhh ok. I thought I saw two other implementations of perl 6...
14:42	MetaZoffix	There were others, but they are not maintained any longer
14:42	MetaZoffix	http://perl6.org/compilers/
14:43	skids	optikalmouse: those (neicza/pugs) are stale at this point, though they were indisposable helps to the projects.
14:43	skids	As for writing, we can always use help on the docs.
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14:51	optikalmouse	is there an alternative to running rakudobrew build? im getting 20kib/s :\|
14:51	optikalmouse	I can't tell if it's my office wifi or bad github :\|
14:56	TimToady	github is usually pretty snappy when it's not down completely
14:58	* TimToady	guesses someone's been running the office microwave...
14:58	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse: you can download source: http://rakudo.org/downloads/ http://www.moarvm.org/releases.html Most people don't use rakudobrew but R*: http://rakudo.org/downloads/star/
15:02	MetaZoffix	(guess it wasn't github :P)
15:03	mst	oh, damn, they pinged out as well
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15:06	Pierre_	include a pointer to a function in a CStruct seems difficult
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15:22	[Coke]	hio
15:22	optikalmouse	,o/
15:24	mst	optikalmouse: hey, so, if you've already got cpanminus installed, I've got a perl6 bundle as cpan modules you could try, see if that works better than git clones?
15:24	mst	or you could build e.g. a rkaudo star tarball directly
15:25	mst	I mention the former mostly cuz I want more people to try the thing I built before I cpan it properly ;)
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15:26	optikalmouse	our net connection is just crap for some reason. yet the github website itself loads quickly enough -_-
15:26	mst	optikalmouse: see if you can 'wget http://trout.me.uk/6dists/6serv.tgz'
15:27	optikalmouse	and of course on os x you don't get wget -_-
15:27	optikalmouse	it's downloading at a decent clip :D
15:28	optikalmouse	mst: now what
15:28	mst	optikalmouse: do you have cpanminus installed for doing perl5 installations?
15:29	optikalmouse	not yet, will do
15:29	optikalmouse	ok it's installed
15:30	mst	optikalmouse: right, so if you 'cpanm App::opan Carton' to get the installer bits you'll need
15:30	mst	er, wait, you don't need carton
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15:30	mst	just 'cpanm App::opan'
15:30	mst	then in 6serv/ you can run 'opan cpanm --installdeps .'
15:31	optikalmouse	running random code from the internet? sure why not, it's jsut a work laptop ;-)
15:31	mst	honestly, the scariest part of this was probably trout.me.uk
15:31	mst	but I guess you're already trusting me at this moment so :)
15:31	timotimo	not using https is dangerous
15:31	timotimo	if your internet connection is "shit for some reason" maybe you're being 100% MITM'd? :)
15:32	MetaZoffix	:D
15:32	timotimo	by someone cruel enough to deploy a raspberry pi 1 A for that task
15:32	mst	timotimo++
15:32	MetaZoffix	mst's plan for world domination: make P6 CPAN dists and find enough people to "try it out" :P
15:32	mst	yes, I'm a terrible person for not having updated the webserver config for my personal site in a decade or so
15:32	optikalmouse	timotimo: I wouldn't be surprised, our company is owned by ticketmaster, $$$ everywhere
15:32	optikalmouse	;)
15:33	mst	MetaZoffix: I'm going to cpan it soon, tried to figure it out on sunday, worked out my todo list, but was too tired to actually do it
15:33	optikalmouse	"just cpanm Ticket::Scalper! it won't do nothing bad!"
15:33	mst	which reminds me, I need more coffee and steroid nasal spray
15:34	MetaZoffix	Interesting. I usually put cream in my coffee instead.
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15:37	optikalmouse	don't have `opan` in my path :\|
15:37	optikalmouse	but the rest of the command seems to be running fine...
15:38	optikalmouse	mst: `cpanm --installdeps .`
15:39	optikalmouse	mst: now what?
15:40	mst	optikalmouse: if you don't have opan in your path, you probably need to do
15:40	mst	eval $(perl -I$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5 -Mlocal::lib)
15:40	mst	(and add that to .bashrc or whatever)
15:40	mst	then in 6serv/ you need to run 'opan cpanm --installdeps .'
15:41	mst	you can't run just 'cpanm --installdeps .', that won't find the perl6 stuff
15:41	optikalmouse	k cool
15:41	optikalmouse	plz update your readme with that info ;-)
15:42	mst	I don't have a readme yet in there
15:43	mst	I built that on the last afternoon of YAPC::EU to show off in a lightning talk
15:43	mst	and so I could get people to test it before I unleash it on cpan proper ;)
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16:00	optikalmouse	yeah opan isn't working
16:00	moritz	wtf is open?
16:00	moritz	*opan
16:00	mst	optikalmouse: how not
16:01	mst	moritz: http://p3rl.org/App::opan - I've built a small opan with my Alien::Rakudo stack in it for pre-cpan testing
16:01	optikalmouse	oops had to force install it, it's failing tests.
16:01	moritz	mst: nice
16:01	optikalmouse	also have to install inline::perl6
16:01	mst	optikalmouse: don't install Inline::Perl6 from cpan!
16:01	mst	don't
16:01	mst	that won't work
16:01	optikalmouse	lol ok
16:01	mst	you must do it via the 'opan cpanm' command
16:02	optikalmouse	ok
16:02	TimToady	obviously any link to p3rl.org is placed there by evil h6x0rs
16:02	optikalmouse	! cannot open file '/Users/rudolfolah/.cpanm/sources/http%localhost%61666%combined/02packages.details.txt.gz': No such file or directory opening compressed index
16:02	mst	there's a tweaked Inline::Perl6 in there. if you don't use the right one, then yes, tests will fail
16:02	mst	optikalmouse: what directory are you in?
16:02	optikalmouse	6serv
16:03	mst	can you run 'ls pans/combined' please?
16:04	optikalmouse	dists, index, index.gz
16:05	mst	hrm, so, it should be able to pull that fine
16:05	mst	maybe firewalling stopping it hitting it?
16:07	mst	can you run 'find pans/' then 'opan cpanm --installdeps .' and post the output of both to http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/perl6 please?
16:07	mst	optikalmouse: sorry about this, I'm not yet sure what's gone wrong, thank you for playing guinea pig
16:08	optikalmouse	no sweat, better than waiting for github to build moar ;)
16:08	optikalmouse	more fun at least
16:10	optikalmouse	back to waiting for github...
16:10	mst	hm?
16:18	optikalmouse	with rakudobrew install...slow slow internet :/
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16:32	smls	m: my $x = <0>; say so "$x";
16:32	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«False␤»
16:32	smls	IntStr is weird
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16:36	timotimo	oh, .Str on it just returns self?
16:39	smls	m: my $x = <0>; dd $x.Str; dd "$x";
16:39	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«"0"␤IntStr.new(0, "0")␤»
16:39	smls	timotimo: No, it looks like "" just cuts corners
16:40	mst	op... damnit, I was going to debug it for you
16:40	timotimo	ah
16:40	mst	and he's gone again
16:40	* mst	sulks
16:42	TimToady	obviously you need to fix their network first
16:44	mst	actually, what I need is to be three yaks further forward in my great shave, and then I'll be able to write an installer that, if something goes wrong, has a single command to upload the full failure log for me if you're willing to run it
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16:44	mst	fixing their network is possible easier though ;)
16:44	timotimo	neat.
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18:23	optikalmouse	sweet moarvm is finally building. damn this slow internet ;/
18:23	optikalmouse	are there lots of web frameworks for perl? which http server should I be using for a small rest api-ish site?
18:23	MetaZoffix	heh
18:23	stmuk_	yes and depends
18:24	optikalmouse	and why would I use zef over panda?
18:24	MetaZoffix	'cause it's better :P
18:24	optikalmouse	lol ok. so, any Tiny web frameworks or Tiny http servers? I think I should start small when writing tutorials :S
18:24	MetaZoffix	As for web frameworks. IMO, there's nothing production ready.
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple: 533b1c3 \| timotimo++ \| lib/GTK/Simple/Widget.pm6:
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple: method hide ought to hide, not show
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple:
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple: thanks to @pixlmixr
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple: Closes #67
18:25	dalek	gtk-simple: review: https://github.com/perl6/gtk-simple/commit/533b1c3fb9
18:25	MetaZoffix	Compounded with compiler's performance.... Perl 6 isn't a good choice for Web apps ATM
18:26	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse: there's http://modules.perl6.org/dist/Bailador and http://modules.perl6.org/dist/HTTP::Server::Tiny
18:27	stmuk_	http://perl6maven.com/ uses Bailador I believe
18:27	optikalmouse	awesome, thank you
18:28	mst	optikalmouse: did you ever manage to get me the last set of debug output?
18:28	* mst	would still like to fix the bug for future users
18:29	optikalmouse	mst: noooo didn't get a chance to, terminal shut down on me :/
18:29	optikalmouse	I can try again at home, on a linux box.
18:29	mst	optikalmouse: fair enough
18:29	mst	optikalmouse: just, like, I want to figure out what went wrong and fix it
18:30	mst	cuz I'm trying to make Inline::Perl6 easy to install
18:30	mst	as a gateway drug
18:30	optikalmouse	heh, for sure, I think I got some time this weekend to do more testing too
18:31	mst	hrmf
18:31	mst	https://docs.perl6.org/language/phasers <- KEEP and UNDO don't explain what successful/unsuccessful block exit is
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18:33	timotimo	MetaZoffix: do you still haev some web app that i can inspect for leaks and such?
18:34	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; return 1 }(0)
18:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«aright␤»
18:34	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; return 0 }(0)
18:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«aright␤»
18:34	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; return 0 }(1)
18:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:34	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; }(0)
18:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:34	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; return }(0)
18:34	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:34	MetaZoffix	mst: no idea :(
18:35	hoelzro	mst: I think successful means that the block is exiting due to normal control flow rather than an exception
18:35	MetaZoffix	timotimo: well, I saved perl6.party when the Perl 6 version failed me. But I don't know how good it is for finding any leaks or whatnot: https://github.com/zoffixznet/perl6.party/tree/perl6-version
18:35	MetaZoffix	hoelzro: but my examples above show that's not the full story.
18:36	MetaZoffix	lack of a return or return; also seem to be considered as unsuccessful
18:36	hoelzro	curious
18:36	hoelzro	that could be a bug, though
18:36	MetaZoffix	might be a bug for all I know
18:37	hoelzro	this might provide some insight: https://github.com/perl6/roast/blob/master/S04-phasers/keep-undo.t
18:37	hoelzro	not at all what I expected =S
18:37	mst	https://github.com/perl6/doc/issues/905
18:37	mst	please do add stuff
18:37	timotimo	MetaZoffix: will that run self-contained and everything? :)
18:38	hoelzro	threw in a link to the spec test
18:38	timotimo	MetaZoffix: ah, i already checked out that and added a /exit so i could safely make it spit out profiler data
18:39	timotimo	my head is quite a bit older than the perl6-version tag
18:40	* MetaZoffix	doesn't remember anything about perl6-version
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18:43	timotimo	MetaZoffix: could i ask you to help me get this running?
18:44	hoelzro	it looks like successful means "returns a truthy value"
18:44	timotimo	can't return 0
18:44	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; fail if $^a; return 0 }(0)
18:44	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«aright␤»
18:45	timotimo	putting my stashed changes back made an ugly merge
18:46	MetaZoffix	timotimo: eh, maybe don't worry about it?
18:46	MetaZoffix	There are too many beers between that tag and my current state
18:46	timotimo	https://gist.github.com/timo/e674130436b94b1825170a7a369f20b1
18:47	MetaZoffix	I don't remember that version.
18:48	MetaZoffix	optikalmouse is building something. Ask them if they still get any leaks :)
18:48	hoelzro	defined value, maybe?
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18:48	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; class {} }()
18:48	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:48	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; return class {} }()
18:48	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:48	MetaZoffix	maybe
18:49	MetaZoffix	m: sub { UNDO say 'bah!'; KEEP say 'aright'; return class { method defined { True } } }()
18:49	camelia	rakudo-moar b771f1: OUTPUT«bah!␤»
18:49	MetaZoffix	mabby not :P
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18:51	smls	MetaZoffix, hoelzro: See the design docs link in the ticket
18:52	hoelzro	smls++
18:54	smls	hoelzro: It reads like it was written a long time ago
18:55	smls	"value or list", "item or list context"... apparently Perl 6 was still more similar to Perl 5 back then.
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19:13	smls	m: dd <\n>; dd «\n»;
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19:13	smls	^^ What's happening there?
19:13	smls	I think the second one used to be the same as "\n"
19:14	smls	ah, it expands the escape sequence before splitting the string
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20:06	geekosaur	netsplat
20:06	calopter	Hello! I have a list of objects and I would like a simple way to spurt them to a file and then later slurp and parse them back into a list of objects. Is there a way to do this without getting into grammars?
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20:08	timotimo	there's probably modules for that
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20:13	ShimmerFairy	.oO( $*NET.split() )
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20:14	ShimmerFairy	calopter: simplest possible way would be to use @list.join("\n") and $filestring.split("\n"), and hope your data doesn't include a literal "\n" in any of the array items (obviously you can choose the delimiter as it suits you).
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20:16	avuserow	calopter: there are a few options on modules.perl6.org searching for "serial" that seem like they have potential..
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20:19	calopter	avuserow: thanks for the tip
20:20	calopter	ShimmerFairy: I think this will give me a list of string representations of the objects
20:21	ShimmerFairy	calopter: right, if you want a more binary file, then you'd likely want to take a look at any existing modules, like avuserow & timotimo mentioned.
20:22	calopter	Ok Thanks
20:22	avuserow	if your objects are fairly Array and Hash-like, it might be simple enough to use JSON::Tiny or whichever module
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20:40	atweiden	are object variants possible in p6?
20:40	atweiden	e.g. a class with attr C<$.a> given EnumTypeA is passed to its C<method new>, or attr C<$.b> if EnumTypeB is passed to new
20:43	mst	I think I might have a multimethod that builds one of two concrete classes implementing a role?
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20:46	hoelzro	you could probably whip something up using parameterized roles
20:46	hoelzro	whether you should is another question entirely =)
20:49	atweiden	is it possible to add a role to a class dynamically at runtime?
20:50	atweiden	e.g. from within C<method new>, specify that the class C<does Something>
20:52	avuserow	m: role Bar {has $.b = 2;}; role Qux {has $.c = 3}; class Foo {has $.a; multi method new(0) {self.bless does Bar}; multi method new(1) {self.bless does Qux}}; say Foo.new(0); say Foo.new(1);
20:52	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«Foo+{Bar}.new(b => 2, a => Any)␤Foo+{Qux}.new(c => 3, a => Any)␤»
20:53	perlpilot	atweiden: you might want to reconsider why you want to do this :)
20:53	avuserow	this probably tortures both the optimizer and anyone maintaining the code though :)
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20:55	perlpilot	atweiden: you can also do something like ...
20:55	perlpilot	m: class A { }; A.^add_role( role { method foo { say "hi" } } ); A.^compose; A.new.foo
20:55	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«hi␤»
20:55	atweiden	avuserow: cool
20:56	atweiden	perlpilot may try that
20:56	avuserow	you could also just have Foo.new return an instance of private classes Foo::A or Foo::B depending on the arguments
20:59	atweiden	avuserow: that sounds better, code example?
20:59	atweiden	am trying it but getting error `Default constructor ...`
21:00	avuserow	m: my class Bar {...}; my class Qux {...}; class Foo {has $.a; multi method new(0) {Bar.new}; multi method new(1) {Qux.new}}; class Bar is Foo {has $.b = 2;}; class Qux is Foo {has $.c = 3}; say Foo.new(0); say Foo.new(1); # something like this?
21:00	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«Bar.new(b => 2, a => Any)␤Qux.new(c => 3, a => Any)␤»
21:01	perlpilot	atweiden: Why do you want this?
21:02	rightfold	I'm going to developer hell http://lpaste.net/7624043094769401856
21:03	atweiden	perlpilot: parsing a source that differs, it is either parsed directly from a file or extracted from a tarball and then parsed from JSON
21:03	mst	< mauke> you should write a patch that makes perl -π work like perl -pi
21:03	mst	ISAGN for the rakudo binary
21:03	atweiden	so i wanted a class that could either have C<$.file> or C<$.pkginfo>
21:04	geekosaur	better written .subst('"', '""')
21:05	rightfold	Atom's syntax highlighting breaks on '"' :P
21:05	avuserow	atweiden: keep in mind, with both of the examples I gave, you'll need to check `$obj ~~ Bar` before accessing `$.file`... kind of annoying. hard to say more without more knowledge of the object structure overall
21:06	* geekosaur	will try atom again in a couple years when they find their butts >.>
21:07	rightfold	I should link libpq and use its escape function
21:08	rightfold	that's much safer
21:08	avuserow	atweiden: also, the examples I gave both give you two different classes, they just all match Foo (plus some role or subclass)
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21:11	rightfold	are you kidding me PQescapeIdentifier requires a connection -_-
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21:20	geekosaur	the engine knows what the engine requires for safe quoting...
21:21	rightfold	p6: say('å' ~~ /<[a .. z A .. Z _]>/)
21:21	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«Nil␤»
21:21	rightfold	p6: say('abc_DEF' ~~ /<[a .. z A .. Z _]>/)
21:21	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«｢a｣␤»
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21:23	rightfold	nice
21:24	atweiden	m: class LedgerFromFile {...}; class LedgerFromPkg {...}; class Ledger { multi method new('File', :$file!) { LedgerFromFile.new(:$file) }; multi method new('Pkg', :$pkg!) { LedgerFromPkg.new(:$pkg) } }; class LedgerFromFile is Ledger { has Str $.file is required }; class LedgerFromPkg is Ledger { has Str $.pkg is required }; my Ledger $l = Ledger.new('File', :file<mario>).say
21:24	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«LedgerFromFile.new(file => "mario")␤Type check failed in assignment to $l; expected Ledger but got Bool (Bool::True)␤ in block <unit> at <tmp> line 1␤␤»
21:24	timotimo	atweiden: that's because you used .say ta the very end
21:24	atweiden	oops that wasn't my question
21:25	atweiden	so this works
21:25	atweiden	m: class LedgerFromFile {...}; class LedgerFromPkg {...}; class Ledger { multi method new('File', :$file!) { LedgerFromFile.new(:$file) }; multi method new('Pkg', :$pkg!) { LedgerFromPkg.new(:$pkg) } }; class LedgerFromFile is Ledger { has Str $.file is required }; class LedgerFromPkg is Ledger { has Str $.pkg is required }; Ledger.new('File', :file<mario>).say
21:25	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«LedgerFromFile.new(file => "mario")␤»
21:25	atweiden	but this
21:25	atweiden	m: class LedgerFromFile {...}; class LedgerFromPkg {...}; class Ledger { multi method new(:$file!) { LedgerFromFile.new(:$file) }; multi method new(:$pkg!) { LedgerFromPkg.new(:$pkg) } }; class LedgerFromFile is Ledger { has Str $.file is required }; class LedgerFromPkg is Ledger { has Str $.pkg is required }; Ledger.new(:file<mario>).say
21:25	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«Memory allocation failed; could not allocate 131072 bytes␤»
21:25	atweiden	could be unrelated
21:26	timotimo	looks like an infinite recursion
21:27	atweiden	is the signature not specific enough?
21:27	timotimo	because the From* classes get the method new that you declared
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21:30	atweiden	timotimo: but then why does it work with arity 2?
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21:31	timotimo	because LedgerFromFile.new(:$file) won't trigger a "new" candidate from Ledger
21:31	timotimo	because you're not passing 'File' as the first argument any more
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21:37	avuserow	S12 says
21:37	avuserow	"Perl 6.0.0 is not required to support multiple dispatch on named parameters, only on positional parameters."
21:37	avuserow	atweiden: ^
21:37	atweiden	TIL
21:37	atweiden	kind of a miracle that some of my code works in that case
21:38	rightfold	just make positional parameters named parameters with numeric names!
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21:39	mst	atweiden: bugger. sorry. didn't realise that.
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21:40	avuserow	you might be able to use proto methods to do what you want, but at this point, I think the best option is just to conditionally create the correct subclass
21:40	avuserow	e.g. my $ledger = $file ?? LedgerFromFile.new(:$file) !! LedgerFromPkg(:$pkg)
21:41	mst	atweiden: I think in that case I'd have new_from_file and new_from_pkg methods or something
21:41	avuserow	or that ^^
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21:56	Zoffix	m: multi foo (:$foo!) { say "this one" }; multi foo (:$bar!) { say "that one" }; foo :foo; foo :bar
21:56	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«this one␤that one␤»
21:57	Zoffix	avuserow, speculations are historical documents. It's not wise to use them to suggest Perl 6's behaviour. The test suite is the specification: https://github.com/perl6/roast
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22:01	Zoffix	m: https://gist.github.com/zoffixznet/bc98465bb31b8a165b6b1c69ca0428b0
22:01	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«LedgerFromFile.new(file => "mario")␤»
22:03	atweiden	Zoffix: that's all it took? a proto method
22:03	atweiden	i've never used those on multis before
22:03	Zoffix	atweiden, not really. I also removed the is Ledger, so it's an LTA solution
22:03	atweiden	right
22:04	avuserow	wonder if you could re-add `is Ledger` if you gave the subclasses a `method new` of their own.
22:04	Zoffix	meh, best to just use a different method name
22:05	Zoffix	Ah, here we go
22:06	Zoffix	m: https://gist.github.com/zoffixznet/c5d602ee46651613dec964737a0774fa
22:06	camelia	rakudo-moar 626a22: OUTPUT«LedgerFromFile.new(file => "mario")␤LedgerFromPkg.new(pkg => "meow")␤»
22:06	avuserow	anyway, yes, specs are deprecated, and it looks like roast/S06-multi/positional-vs-named.t has the sub version of this covered
22:07	Zoffix	atweiden, ^ basically I'm bypassing what .new does, so the iniloop never occurs
22:07	Zoffix	s/bypassing/doing directly/;
22:08	atweiden	i like this solution, ty
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23:23	Zoffix	tbrowder and others. GitHub replied vis-a-vis getting GitHub rendering Perl 6 POD: https://github.com/github/markup/issues/907#issuecomment-246855769
23:23	Zoffix	"You're certainly more than welcome to perform a PR with tests, and update the .travis.yml file so that our CI test suite verifies that Perl6 documentation is being generated."
23:23	* Zoffix	won't have time to do any of that
23:24	Zoffix	.tell tbrowder GitHub replied about the pod: https://github.com/github/markup/issues/907#issuecomment-246855769
23:24	yoleaux	Zoffix: I'll pass your message to tbrowder.
23:24	tbrowder	Zoffix: thanks
23:24	yoleaux	23:24Z <Zoffix> tbrowder: GitHub replied about the pod: https://github.com/github/markup/issues/907#issuecomment-246855769
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23:30	tbrowder	Zoffix: What repo is all the tooling in?
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