Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6, 2017-06-17

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00:01 lucs (dunno how to get camelia to work out heredocs)
00:01 jnthn lucs: \\{3+3} I'd expect
00:01 lucs Trying...
00:01 jnthn If you use Q instead of Q it will disable backslash sequences.
00:02 lucs Unfortunately, that gets me the backslash, but followed by '6'
00:02 jnthn So Q:c may do what you want, except then you have no way at all the escape the { :P
00:02 jnthn Oh, I thought that was what you wanted :)
00:02 jnthn D'oh :)
00:02 jnthn Maybe go with Q:s instead
00:02 jnthn And use $(2+2)
00:03 lucs Hmm...
00:03 jnthn Unless you also need $ :P
00:03 jnthn There's not a way to pick the closure delimters, though.
00:03 lucs '$' is less frequent for what I'm doing (although it tells LaTeX "what follows is math").
00:04 lucs Okay/
00:04 lucs Er, .
00:04 jnthn Yeah, it's been almost a decaide since I did LaTeX but I had hazy memories of of $ meaning something too
00:04 jnthn *decade
00:04 lucs What would it take to be able to pick the closure delimiters? :)
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00:05 lucs I'd use some non-colliding-with-my-LaTeX-source Unicode character for example.
00:05 jnthn Ummm...interesting question, in that it's implemented by spotting the { and then calling back into the MAIN language
00:06 jnthn So, provided I'm remembering the grammar correctly, the { and } are parsed by the main Perl 6 language rather than the quoting language
00:06 jnthn This is true of all the sigil forms too
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00:07 jnthn The quotes parser just spots the "starters" and then delegates back to the main language parser until it feels like it ate enough and gives control back to the quote parser again
00:07 jnthn So it's a bit tricky to arrange
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00:08 travis-ci Doc build errored. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Rewrite the alarm section'
00:08 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/243862046 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/1ca0487fece0...f48a1b31981c
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00:08 jnthn Is & used in LaTeX by the way?
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00:09 lucs Not that I remember, lemme check...
00:09 jnthn oh, but that I think actually wants a sub name after it, and won't do &(...)
00:10 jnthn m: sub q { $^a }; say Q:f"ab&q(1+1)"
00:10 camelia rakudo-moar c532b7: OUTPUT: «ab2␤»
00:10 jnthn Not entirely pretty but perhaps better than all the escaping
00:11 lucs (the ampersand is used in LaTeX tables as a column separator, escapable with \&)
00:12 jnthn LaTeX, like Perl, seems to be good at using all the keyboard :)
00:12 lucs :)
00:12 lucs Most of ASCII anyway
00:12 jnthn Aye :)
00:12 jnthn I should probably be sleeping by now...
00:12 jnthn 'night o/
00:12 lucs If you do, sleep well :)
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00:22 * zoll . o O( ... else not sleep at all? )
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01:34 eveo lucs: don't know if it makes it any easier for you, but you can use single quotes and just use the \qq escape sequence to do interpolation
01:34 eveo m: say 'abc \qq[{2+2}] def {3+3}'
01:34 camelia rakudo-moar c532b7: OUTPUT: «abc 4 def {3+3}␤»
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01:35 eveo buggable: toast
01:35 buggable eveo, Between 2017.05-463-gc532b79 and 2017.05: 5 (0.60%) modules got burnt; 9 (1.08%) got unsucced; 210 (25.27%) out of 831 modules appear unusable. See https://toast.perl6.party/ for details.
01:35 eveo buggable knows how to toast now ^
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01:41 lucs eveo: Not too bad, but it turns out that jnthn's suggestion of  sub q {$^a}  works pretty well, and allows interpolation with fewer extra characters: 4, &q(⋯), instead of 7, \qq[{⋯}]
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01:48 Topic for #perl6 is now »ö« Welcome to Perl 6! | https://perl6.org/ | evalbot usage: 'p6: say 3;' or rakudo:,  or /msg camelia p6: ... | irclog: http://irc.perl6.org or http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/perl6 | UTF-8 is our friend!
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04:23 zoll say, is there any relation between "zef" & "Zoffix Znet"?
04:28 araraloren_ I think no
04:31 zoll ok. I just can't help but think of that ...
04:32 geekosaur I'd have guessed Zefram (filer of many bug reports) first, tbh
04:33 zoll geekosaur: I haven't encountered "Zefram" as often enough. I think I came across that name few days ago in a perl 5 bug.
04:34 zoll geekosaur: if I had, sure, "Zefram" would have been my first guess too
04:37 geekosaur nothing on ugexe's blog I can spot about why he named it that
04:39 zoll thanks, geekosaur
04:39 * zoll is now reminded of regex.
04:40 ugexe named after zef culture, e.g. die antwoord
04:40 zoll ooh!
04:41 ugexe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zef
04:43 zoll thanks, ugexe.
04:45 zoll also found this: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/10/die-antwoord-ninja-evil-boy-interview/
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09:48 araraloren_ Is .splice the right way to remove element from Array ?
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10:01 eveo araraloren_: yes
10:01 sacomo eveo looks like the Proc::Async issue started from here https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/1ac7996a42d50fc64c758b6dc2c4eec64d2a6094 . This test works on commits prior to that one https://github.com/scmorrison/Bailador/blob/dev/t/20-cli.t#L60
10:02 eveo Geth: ver https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/1ac7996a42d50fc64c758b6dc2c4eec64d2a6094
10:02 Geth eveo, version bump brought in these changes: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/compare/2017.05-145-g0ac9b4f...2017.05-149-gb96a0afe7
10:02 eveo Geth: ver https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4c7f683f875d2019a265c47f84f3dd18b0181b79
10:02 Geth eveo, version bump brought in these changes: https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/QAST::MASTOperations.add_core_moarop_mapping('ordbaseat', 'ordbaseat');...QAST::MASTOperations.add_core_moarop_mapping('indexfrom', 'index_s');
10:02 eveo bah
10:02 sacomo ha
10:03 araraloren_ eveo, thanks
10:04 eveo bot meant to give this url https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/compare/2017.05-59-gf17adad...2017.05-71-gad6ab26f
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10:05 eveo sacomo: what is that commit causes? The failed killing or the connection issues?
10:05 sacomo yeah
10:05 eveo yeah to which? :)
10:05 sacomo the Proc::Async used to remain running in the background
10:06 eveo sacomo: so pre that commit the .kill works fine?
10:07 sacomo actually, not sure. the process ends before the TCP test can complete now. but when the test ends it does look like all of the processes have ended too.
10:08 eveo NeuralAnomaly: status
10:08 NeuralAnomaly eveo, [✘] Next release is today. Since last release, there are 67 new still-open tickets (5 unreviewed and 1 blockers) and 68 unreviewed commits. See http://perl6.fail/release/stats for details
10:08 eveo Well, we can forget about fixing perl6-debug-m in this release :/
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10:15 eveo .tell jnthn there's apparently an issue with Proc::Async.kill not killing some things (even without the Kernel.signal race issue). Allegedly started with these moarvm commits. Do any look guilty? https://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2017-06-17#i_14745784
10:15 yoleaux eveo: I'll pass your message to jnthn.
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11:03 El_Che NeuralAnomaly: status
11:03 NeuralAnomaly El_Che, [✘] Next release is today. Since last release, there are 67 new still-open tickets (0 unreviewed and 0 blockers) and 69 unreviewed commits. See http://perl6.fail/release/stats for details
11:04 eveo El_Che: might be delayed by a day. There are some issues in need of sorting
11:05 El_Che eveo: thank you. Good to know. I skipped the last relase for my pkgs, so looking forward to this one
11:36 moritz the Debian Stretch release process is under way
11:37 moritz so, soon another target for your packages, El_Che
11:37 El_Che moritz: I should prepara that already
11:37 El_Che a new fedora is also on the works
11:37 El_Che a beta is out
11:38 eveo El_Che: actually never mind, we're back on schedule with release :)
11:38 stmuk I'm going to try building and testing on FreeBSD/OpenBSD
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11:59 Geth ¦ doc: 49d752a5b0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlfunc.pod6
11:59 Geth ¦ doc: Use .cue as the migration path for alarm()
11:59 Geth ¦ doc:
11:59 Geth ¦ doc: It is much closer to the original intent, and it doesn't require
11:59 Geth ¦ doc: knowledge of Promises to be useable for a newbie.
11:59 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/49d752a5b0
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12:09 Geth ¦ doc: 7223fdbfa1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | doc/Language/5to6-perlfunc.pod6
12:09 Geth ¦ doc: Revert "Use .cue as the migration path for alarm()"
12:09 Geth ¦ doc:
12:09 Geth ¦ doc: This reverts commit 49d752a5b044b770a1405870c6e8531b558271c4.
12:09 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/7223fdbfa1
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12:49 travis-ci Doc build errored. Elizabeth Mattijsen 'Use .cue as the migration path for alarm()
12:49 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/243966303 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/f48a1b31981c...49d752a5b044
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13:00 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/243968060 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/49d752a5b044...7223fdbfa1c9
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13:12 * zengargoyle looks and notices a goodly number of p6 talks at TPC::NA this year.
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13:53 lizmat zengargoyle: https://p6weekly.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/2017-24-synchronicity-sorted/ had an overview
13:58 zengargoyle lizmat: cool, i probably read it (like i always do :), just checking out the TPC schedule as a whole and to look for the IRC channel (irc.perl.org/#tpc2017) (which nobody is in yet)
13:58 lizmat zengargoyle: you probably want to check #yapc , there's people there  :-)
14:02 zengargoyle heh, i couldn't find anything on the TPC page, but @genehack mentioned #tpc2017... :)
14:02 * zengargoyle liked YAPC better anyways.
14:06 * zengargoyle d'oh misread @genehack tweek because twitter highlighing.
14:06 zengargoyle #yapc it is
14:12 mst AFAIK, #tpc2017dc is the *hashtag* not a channel
14:19 b2gills m: #`( does anyone know what :cc is for ) say Q:cc 'a..z';
14:19 camelia rakudo-moar 678883: OUTPUT: «a..z␤»
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14:19 b2gills m: #`( does anyone know what :cc is for ) say Q:cc 'a-z';
14:19 camelia rakudo-moar 678883: OUTPUT: «5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unsupported use of - as character range; in Perl 6 please use .. (or \- if you mean a literal hyphen)␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3one know what :cc is for ) say Q:cc 'a-z7⏏5';␤»
14:19 eveo credit card numbers :}
14:19 jnthn character class
14:21 eveo Here's a role that does things for it: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/blob/nom/src/Perl6/Grammar.nqp#L5124-L5187
14:21 b2gills does tweak_cc need to stay in Perl6::Grammar.nqp for character classes to work?
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14:22 jnthn It's in the Q grammar, no?
14:22 zengargoyle mst: and @genehack didn't put the 'dc' part in his tweet. :)  i'm sure it will sort out soon enough.
14:22 jnthn Ah, which lives in that file
14:23 mst zengargoyle: https://twitter.com/genehack/status/876059761657077760
14:23 b2gills I was looking to see if there was any extraneous quote parsing code in that file
14:24 jnthn It's used
14:24 jnthn See quote:sym<tr> for example
14:25 zengargoyle see, it's late and i just saw the end of the tweet #tpc2017 #perl
14:25 jnthn In fact I think that's its primary user
14:25 jnthn It's in use, anyways
14:27 * zengargoyle on the plus side, learned to look at the titlebar of irssi to see other window activity.
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14:29 b2gills Is there any reason why Q:cc has to parse?
14:30 b2gills m: tr:cc /ab/d/
14:30 camelia rakudo-moar 678883: OUTPUT: «5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Adverb cc not allowed on transliteration␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3tr:cc /ab/d/7⏏5<EOL>␤»
14:30 b2gills m: Q:asdf 'a'
14:30 camelia rakudo-moar 678883: OUTPUT: «5===SORRY!5=== Error while compiling <tmp>␤Unrecognized adverb: :asdf␤at <tmp>:1␤------> 3Q:asdf7⏏5 'a'␤»
14:30 jnthn b2gills: Is there any reason for it not to?
14:32 b2gills It just seems to me that it is supposed to be internal, but was made external accidentally.
14:33 jnthn It was just cleanest and most extensible to put it in like any other quoting adverb
14:33 jnthn I've no problem with it being visible.
14:34 jnthn So it can stay as it is.
14:35 jnthn Also, Rakudo just borrowed this factoring from the STD one
14:35 jnthn Pretty sure that's the history of it, anyway
14:36 jnthn So at the very least it's simply not a problem, and it's possible it was a concious choice to expose it. :)
14:37 * jnthn afk for a little
14:38 b2gills I was looking for adverbs that were missing from https://docs.perl6.org/language/quoting when I came across this. (many months ago)
14:41 nine Aaah...spring time window cleaning done. 5 days before spring is over
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14:44 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: Version 0.27
14:44 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5:
14:44 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: First version with codebase split into multiple modules.
14:44 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: review: https://github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5/commit/93576ca278
14:46 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: ddc1ba0d3f | (Stefan Seifert)++ | Makefile.in
14:46 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: Fix make clean trying to delete .precomp dirs twice
14:46 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: review: https://github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5/commit/ddc1ba0d3f
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15:19 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: Try to fix travis by using less rakudobrew
15:19 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: review: https://github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5/commit/9d7bcc0b07
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18:05 Geth ¦ doc: 08d1f7b3c9 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | 2 files
18:05 Geth ¦ doc: Fixed a few incorrectly indented code examples
18:05 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/08d1f7b3c9
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18:10 dogbert17 .seen moritz
18:10 yoleaux I saw moritz 11:37Z in #perl6: <moritz> so, soon another target for your packages, El_Che
18:15 moritz .
18:15 moritz dogbert17: I'm here, for some values of "here" :-)
18:15 dogbert17 moritz: care to look at a doc gist?
18:15 moritz dogbert17: shoot
18:16 dogbert17 https://gist.github.com/dogbert17/bdc044f30b5cf3e387e07cdd84ab2694
18:16 dogbert17 is it correct/wrong or bollocks?
18:25 moritz dogbert17: looks correct to me
18:25 moritz though I'm not too familiar with the nodal/nodemap/deepmap/whatever stuff
18:26 moritz an example that contrasts it to regular map would be useful
18:26 dogbert17 me neither, had to do some experimenting
18:26 moritz dogbert17++
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18:56 travis-ci Doc build errored. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Fixed a few incorrectly indented code examples'
18:56 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/244036787 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/7223fdbfa1c9...08d1f7b3c931
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18:56 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: 0f91be065e | (Stefan Seifert)++ | 2 files
18:56 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: Version 0.28
18:56 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5:
18:56 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: Mostly just to get a fixed tar file onto CPAN
18:56 Geth ¦ Inline-Perl5: review: https://github.com/niner/Inline-Perl5/commit/0f91be065e
19:05 dogbert17 moritz: had to scratch my head, map and nodemap seemed to be the same but alas. Updated gist: https://gist.github.com/dogbert17/bdc044f30b5cf3e387e07cdd84ab2694
19:06 moritz dogbert17: hey, great detective work!
19:07 moritz dogbert17: the "can handle" sounds judgemental. Maybe say instead that regular map flattens out slips, and nodemap doesn't?
19:07 moritz (though I wonder if that's intentional?)
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19:10 dogbert17 moritz, thx, will change the text
19:12 dogbert17 perhaps there are more differences but this will do for starters I think
19:16 Geth ¦ doc: 573d805e32 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
19:16 Geth ¦ doc: Added docs for nodemap. moritz++
19:16 Geth ¦ doc:
19:16 Geth ¦ doc: Closes #925
19:16 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/573d805e32
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19:31 El_Che stmuk: great to hear about the *bsd plans
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19:47 El_Che moritz: debian 9 added. Just waiting for 2017.06 :)
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19:57 moritz El_Che++
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20:06 travis-ci Doc build errored. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Added docs for nodemap. moritz++
20:06 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/244050798 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/08d1f7b3c931...573d805e32c7
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20:31 Geth ¦ doc: 904e6bf6fe | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/Any.pod6
20:31 Geth ¦ doc: Remove TODO
20:31 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/904e6bf6fe
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21:22 travis-ci Doc build errored. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Remove TODO'
21:22 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/244067337 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/573d805e32c7...904e6bf6fe00
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21:39 tyil I see an IO::Socket::INET, is there a class for unix sockets as well?
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21:40 jnthn tyil: Not yet, though it's pretty high on the todo list
21:40 tyil ah
21:40 tyil shame
21:40 tyil I wanted to use a socket for my init system in p6
21:42 Geth ¦ doc: 5153e70e92 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/CallFrame.pod6
21:42 Geth ¦ doc: Added docs for the annotations method
21:42 Geth ¦ doc:
21:42 Geth ¦ doc: Closes #1347
21:42 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/5153e70e92
21:43 mst tyil: I have been moaning about this for a while
21:51 Geth ¦ doc: 4201e237d0 | (Jan-Olof Hendig)++ | doc/Type/CallFrame.pod6
21:51 Geth ¦ doc: Fixed a couple of stupid mistakes
21:51 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/4201e237d0
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22:32 travis-ci Doc build errored. Jan-Olof Hendig 'Added docs for the annotations method
22:32 travis-ci https://travis-ci.org/perl6/doc/builds/244079032 https://github.com/perl6/doc/compare/904e6bf6fe00...5153e70e925c
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23:13 tyil can I make kernel syscall from p6?
23:13 tyil if so, how?
23:14 eveo m: use NativeCall; sub fork is native {}; fork; say "Hi from $*PID"
23:14 camelia rakudo-moar 807496: OUTPUT: «Hi from 1424␤Hi from 1425␤»
23:14 eveo Is that a kernel syscall?
23:14 tyil idk
23:15 * eveo doesn't know what a kernel syscall is
23:15 mst system calls will be exposed as C functions anyway so basically "yes"
23:15 mst tyil: what are you trying to call?
23:16 timotimo mst: maybe they want to write to a specific register and invoke whatever interrupt causes a system call to happen?
23:16 tyil syscall(169, 0xfee1dead, 537993216, 0x4321fedc);
23:16 mst tyil: ok, what is your *goal* here?
23:16 tyil https://felipec.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/init/ in p6
23:16 mst I mean ... you can use the 'is native' thing to get at syscall()
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23:18 tyil basically, make an init in p6, based upon that blogpost
23:18 tyil rn this vm cant poweroff, I'd like to make that possible
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23:28 Geth ¦ doc: 0d41108701 | (Samantha McVey)++ | doc/Language/unicode_entry.pod6
23:28 Geth ¦ doc: [unicode_entry] Add more information about setting XCompose
23:28 Geth ¦ doc:
23:28 Geth ¦ doc: Also add information about using ibus-daemon.
23:28 Geth ¦ doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/0d41108701
23:33 Geth ¦ whateverable: 1fd1b7d426 | (Aleks-Daniel Jakimenko-Aleksejev)++ | Unicodable.p6
23:33 Geth ¦ whateverable: Is it fixed now? Well, depends on what this “it” is…
23:33 Geth ¦ whateverable: review: https://github.com/perl6/whateverable/commit/1fd1b7d426
23:37 samcv tyil, why can't it poweroff
23:38 tyil because I need to inform the kernel it should power off
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