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Results for 2014-04-15

07:25 jnthn aha
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07:35 nwc10 FROGGS: this is a "dear lazyIRC" question - any idea roughly what proportion of the Perl 5 code on http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ V5 can parse?
07:41 lizmat .oO( the answer is lazy :-)
07:42 dalek rakudo/nom: 7814401 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Capture.pm:
07:42 dalek rakudo/nom: Re-imagine Capture.perl
07:42 dalek rakudo/nom:
07:42 dalek rakudo/nom: Make it nicer if now positionals and/or no named parameters.
07:42 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/7814401b72
07:43 lizmat *no  (*sigh*)
07:48 Rounin I don't quite get what that benchmark is for anymore... It used to measure how fast programming languages were and how much memory they used, but now it's measuring how fast its benchmark programs are, which isn't something I want to know
07:48 Rounin Maybe they decided that averaging the results of all the benchmarks wasn't meaningful
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07:58 nwc10 FROGGS: I'd be curious to see how they compare with running them on the real Perl 5
07:58 nwc10 and whether the spesh and JIT games make them go fast(er)
07:58 FROGGS nwc10: I'll let you know how it works out :o)
07:59 nwc10 cool, thanks
08:14 dalek specs: fabf7b2 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
08:14 dalek specs: Elaborate on how to give a thread a name
08:14 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/fabf7b2d53
08:14 dalek specs: 8ffd387 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
08:14 dalek specs: Thread.new only takes named parameters
08:14 dalek specs:
08:14 dalek specs: Why make it easier to create threads manually?  We don't really want this to
08:14 dalek specs: be the easiest way to do concurrency in Perl 6.
08:14 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/8ffd387068
08:17 Ven lizmat: it shouldn't be "the easiest way", but doesnt it have its place in a synopse ?
08:19 lizmat yes, it does: I only removed the spec that would allow you to start a Thread with Thread.new( {...} );
08:19 lizmat instead of Thread.new( :code( {... } ) )
08:19 lizmat since the current implementation doesn't support the latter
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10:23 dalek specs: 1ec306f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
10:23 dalek specs: Amplify the difference between Thread.(start|new)
10:23 dalek specs:
10:23 dalek specs: Which I completely missed earlier today :-(
10:23 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/1ec306f749
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10:30 snarkyboojum tadzik, lazy patch ideas - https://gist.github.com/snarkyboojum/10721059 and https://gist.github.com/snarkyboojum/10721124
10:32 snarkyboojum complete with rakudo-y anachronisms!
10:33 snarkyboojum btw, rakudobrew is good :)
10:35 tadzik :) good to hear
10:41 Ven tadzik: Configuration FAIL. You can try to salvage the generated Makefile. Command failed (status 256): perl Configure.pl --optimize --prefix=~/.rakudobrew/moar-HEAD/install --make-install Command failed (status 7424): perl Configure.pl --prefix=~/.rakudobrew/moar-HEAD/install --backends=moar --make-install --gen-moar=master Failed running perl Configure.pl --backends=moar --gen-moar=master --gen-nqp=master at bin/rakudobrew line 26.
10:43 dalek roast: a2ef583 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/thread.t:
10:43 dalek roast: Priming the hash stops it from segfaulting
10:43 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/a2ef583d14
10:44 tadzik Ven: oh, it's not my fault :o
10:45 tadzik that's parrot failing, not rakudobrew
10:45 tadzik snarkyboojum++ #patches applied :)
10:45 Ven tadzik: that's "build moar"

Results for 2014-04-14

08:27 lizmat size of resultant key, I would guess
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08:32 lizmat .perl doesn't sort the keys in the hash, so we would have cache misses
08:32 masak *nod*
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: 07dcb22 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Routine.pm:
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: Use .perl instead of .WHICH on Capture as key
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom:
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: Suggested by masak++.  This will however cause cache misses for named parameters
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: as the keys in Hash.perl are not sorted.  Perhaps they should be?  Even though
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: it is not necessary for roundtripping per se, SortKeys *is* one of the features
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: I always used to switch on on Perl 5's Data::Dumpern when debugging.
08:39 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/07dcb22d6c
08:39 lizmat afk for a few hours&
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10:20 * lizmat wonders whether a :strict named parameter to .substr would make sense
10:21 lizmat if specified, it would die on *any* out of bounds specification
10:21 lizmat if not, out of bounds are ok, unless used as a left-value I guess
10:22 dalek rakudo/nom: af6f59d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/HashIter.pm:
10:22 dalek rakudo/nom: Remove dead code from HashIter.reify
10:22 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/af6f59d3e6
10:32 dalek rakudo/nom: 7111fa8 | moritz++ | src/core/Str.pm:
10:32 dalek rakudo/nom: awesomify substr-out-of-range error message
10:32 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/7111fa8c13
10:32 moritz testing of edge cases very welcome.
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10:48 dalek rakudo/nom: 7022ab7 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Routine.pm:
10:48 dalek rakudo/nom: Add .WHICH identifier to Routine.perl
10:48 dalek rakudo/nom:
10:48 dalek rakudo/nom: This should make two Routines with identical signature at least stringify
10:48 dalek rakudo/nom: differently.
10:48 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/7022ab7462
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10:59 moritz m: grammar A { token TOP { <any> }; token any { 'foo' | 'bar' } }; say A.parse('foo')
10:59 camelia rakudo-moar 07dcb2: OUTPUT«「foo」␤ any => 「foo」␤␤»
11:18 camelia ..rakudo-parrot 07dcb2, rakudo-jvm 07dcb2, rakudo-moar 07dcb2: OUTPUT«Not enough positional parameters passed; got 1 but expected 2␤  in block  at /tmp/tmpfile:1␤␤»
11:18 moritz rn: { say $^a; say $^b }(|<foo bar>)
11:18 camelia rakudo-parrot 07dcb2, rakudo-jvm 07dcb2, rakudo-moar 07dcb2, niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«foo␤bar␤»
11:18 lizmat ah, yes, of course  :-)
11:20 dalek rakudo/nom: e5cb82b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
11:20 dalek rakudo/nom: Implement Block.perl (like Routine.perl)
11:20 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e5cb82b2e4
11:48 dalek rakudo/nom: 5e30542 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Routine.pm:
11:48 dalek rakudo/nom: Make sure wrapped Routine.perl parses
11:48 dalek rakudo/nom:
11:48 dalek rakudo/nom: sub+{wrapped} () {...} is not legal Perl 6 code
11:48 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/5e30542798
11:49 [Coke] yay, my daily google alert for things perl 6 finally came up with something other than this log.
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11:51 masak which is what?
11:54 [Coke] that's the weird part.
12:54 sergot moritz: I'll ask more specific question soon.
12:54 sergot This poll was just a start.
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12:56 sergot More questions would probably appear soon.
12:56 dalek roast: a783d7b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-names/is_cached.t:
12:56 dalek roast: Add some more "is cached" tests
12:56 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/a783d7b768
13:01 sergot moritz: I can send you specific information about this "project" if you want :)
13:01 sergot any help would be appreciated
13:03 sergot cognominal++: thanks for your answer!
13:04 moritz sergot: people have asked for review of their presentations in #perl6, and have gotten good responses (IMHO)
13:41 jnthn bah, who needs literals :P
13:41 jnthn but yeah :)
13:41 Ven_ (how (do I) (do stuff) (? then))
13:41 jnthn .oO( True believers use Church numerals :P )
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom: 8421f53 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (6 files):
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom: Remove (Set|Bag|Mix)(|Hash).(min|max)
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom:
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom: The current meaning is too far away from Hash.(min|max).  So to prevent
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom: confusion, we're going to have to do this a different way.
13:42 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/8421f537f8
13:42 Ven_ data Num = Z | Suc n
13:43 Ven_ what does "HLL" stand for ?
13:44 avar high level language
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14:01 dalek rakudo/nom: f64f40f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
14:01 dalek rakudo/nom: Implement (Set|Bag|Mix)(|Hash).(minpairs|maxpairs)
14:01 dalek rakudo/nom:
14:01 dalek rakudo/nom: As an alternative to .min/.max
14:01 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f64f40f64c
14:03 dalek rakudo/nom: 00aeaa0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
14:03 dalek rakudo/nom: Adapt Changelog for .min/.max -> .minpairs/.maxpairs
14:03 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/00aeaa0025
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14:56 timotimo rob o/
14:59 hoelzro ahoy timo
14:59 lizmat hoelzro, timotimo o/
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15:02 dalek roast: 36be63e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-types/ (6 files):
15:02 dalek roast: (Set|Bag|Mix)(|Hash).(min|​max)->(minpairs|maxpairs)
15:02 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/36be63e99d
15:02 hoelzro ahoy liz
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15:11 hoelzro so I ran my moar report script on rakudo * again this morning
15:11 hoelzro first of all: holy hell, did it get fast!
15:17 hoelzro but the test is just broken (a page it was testing no longer exists)
15:18 jnthn oh...it worked for me the other day...
15:19 hoelzro jnthn: which?
15:19 jnthn hotel &
15:19 dalek specs: 3ab8296 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod:
15:19 dalek specs: Spec Bag.(minpairs|maxpairs) instead Bag.(min|max)
15:19 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/3ab8296799
15:24 FROGGS hoelzro: it seems you are using an older star or at least old modules
15:24 FROGGS LWP::Simple is fixed
15:24 hoelzro my script does a pull before it tries it out
15:25 hoelzro but maybe something broke in my script
15:50 lizmat benabik: that's what you think  :)
15:51 lizmat git diff
15:51 lizmat grrrr
15:52 benabik lizmat: Not a git repository
15:53 dalek rakudo/nom: 84887a2 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Hash.pm:
15:53 dalek rakudo/nom: Hash.perl is now random on key order, .gist sorted
15:53 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/84887a2c40
15:53 lizmat this now randomly breaks "is cached" tests
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15:57 lizmat afk for a few hours&
20:23 moritz though it'd be nice to have a backup of it somewhere
20:24 timotimo aye
20:24 timotimo there's certainly interesting stuff on there, but exposing it to the internet-at-large is dangerous in its current state
20:24 timotimo at least without big fat "this stuff is outdated" warnings all over
20:26 dalek roast: e7510e3 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-names-vars/perl.t:
20:26 dalek roast: Skip tests that rely on ordered hash keys
20:26 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/e7510e3135
20:30 lue .oO(we need a November-powered wiki.perl6.org)
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: 488e8af | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Capture.pm:
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: Re-imagine Capture.gist
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/488e8affb1
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: eea1867 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Routine.pm:
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: "is cached" now uses Capture.gist to generate keys
20:33 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/eea1867dfa
20:35 dalek rakudo/nom: af7633e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
20:35 dalek rakudo/nom: Changelog update wrt Hash.(perl|gist)
20:35 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/af7633ed39
20:36 colomon lizmat: woah, does that "is cached" work?  It's drastically simpler than I imagined it would be...
20:36 lizmat it works with the spectests I've thrown at it
20:36 lizmat please try to break  :-)
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20:37 colomon lizmat++
20:40 dalek rakudo/nom: a75d82d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
20:40 dalek rakudo/nom: Clarify Capture.WHICH in Changelog
20:40 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a75d82d7f1
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21:03 dalek roast: b5a7af8 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | rosettacode/greatest_element_of_a_list.t:
21:03 dalek roast: tweak OUT override
21:03 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/b5a7af8b9b
21:03 dalek roast: bdc2189 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | integration/advent2009-day21.t:
21:03 dalek roast: completing advent 2009 day 21
21:03 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/bdc2189ac4
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21:43 lizmat gnight, #perl6!
21:43 timotimo gnite #perl6 and lizmat

Results for 2014-04-13

12:15 jnthn Ah, it's probably "long"...
12:15 jnthn Guess I'll need to try and get myself a 32-bit VM
12:15 jnthn Oh, I may have one on my laptop...
12:15 jnthn And I'm heading away from home soon anyway for teaching trip. So will look on that while I'm away.
12:16 dalek rakudo/nom: 80171d8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
12:16 dalek rakudo/nom: Some Changelog additions
12:16 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/80171d8111
12:22 * lizmat just spectested the 2014.03 release: 220 wallclock (vs 173 now), 1589.9 CPU versus 1238.75 now.
12:22 lizmat We've come a long way in this month!
12:23 jnthn Well, especially if you remember that 2014.03 wasn't running the threads tests, or unival tests... :)
12:24 jnthn Anyway, yeah, productive month :)
12:53 nwc10 arg_count is one more than it should be
12:53 nwc10 it is not clear how that happens
12:54 jnthn arg_count = 3, num_pos = 1,
12:55 jnthn That implies a positional and a named
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: f9c9487 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Bag (2 files):
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: Introduce direct .min/.max on Bags/BagHashes
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom:
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: Actually inspired by a code example of TheDamian that looked hacky, since one
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: of the more common uses of Bags/BagHashes are to find out the frequence of
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: things, and hence you probably want to know the lowest/highest frequency quite
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: often as well.
12:55 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f9c948774e
12:55 nwc10 the stacktrace is for something like
12:56 nwc10 m: class TestA { }; TestA::frobnosticate(3, :foo)
12:56 camelia rakudo-moar 25c75c: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find symbol '&frobnosticate'␤»
12:56 jnthn Yeah. That'd be a call with a positional and a named.
13:06 jnthn nwc10: https://gist.github.com/jnthn/10583405
13:06 jnthn nwc10: That's to try, though not for applying; I'm going to factor the calc out into one place.
13:20 jnthn nwc10: Actually, I can't; the two places are calc'ing on values from different types.
13:20 jnthn nwc10: So if that patch helps I think it goes in :)
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: 4f3553d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Set (2 files):
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: Add .min/.max to Sets/SetHashes for consistency
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/4f3553d34e
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: 3ba878f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Mix (2 files):
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: Add .min/.max to Mixes/MixHashes for consistency
13:24 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3ba878f8ca
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13:25 moritz m-spectest summary (2 test failures): http://perlpunks.de/paste/show/534a9046.1568.2cb
13:26 dalek perl6-roast-data: 73c7e3e | coke++ | / (6 files):
13:33 FROGGS[mobile] moritz: I merged a PR about the order of home and site or so
13:35 moritz FROGGS[mobile]: I have no ~/.perl6/, so home shouldn't matter
13:36 jnthn I've got a new failure in t\spec\S05-substitution\subst.rakudo.moar
13:37 * moritz runs p-spectest now, and is amazed how long it takes (compared to m-spectest) :_)
13:38 dalek rakudo/nom: fe27557 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data:
13:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Add advent2012 tests that were sitting in roast
13:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/fe27557064
13:38 jnthn nwc10: I gotta go catch a train soon, so pushed the patch anyway. Fairly sure it'll help.
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13:47 vendethiel r: class A { method ary { <a b c> } handles push; }; my $a = A.new; $a.push 1; say $a.ary;
13:49 camelia rakudo-parrot f9c948, rakudo-jvm f9c948, rakudo-moar f9c948: OUTPUT«[31m===[0mSORRY![31m===[0m Error while compiling /tmp/tmpfileâ�¤Two terms in a rowâ�¤at /tmp/tmpfile:1â�¤------> [32mmy @a; @a.push [33mâ��[31m1[0mâ�¤    expecting any of:â�¤        method argumentsâ�¤      â€¦Â»
13:49 lizmat you need the : there or parens
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14:01 jnthn commute &
14:02 dalek rakudo/nom: dca5394 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (4 files):
14:02 dalek rakudo/nom: Inf/-Inf are not Int's but Num's
14:02 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/dca5394ba8
14:03 masak 'night, #perl6
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14:05 masak lizmat: why do .min and .max on a Set return a Num? isn't the type of Set elements more or less arbitrary? (including non-orderable things)
14:11 lizmat hmmm....
14:11 masak 'sides, I'm pretty sure that the spec still is of the opinion that Inf *is* an Int. as well as a Num. and a Str, when it feels so inclined.
14:11 masak now, I'm not saying that that's sane. but that's what it says currently.
14:12 masak food for thought :) really 'night
14:16 dalek rakudo/nom: 2a30681 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (4 files):
14:16 dalek rakudo/nom: We need Real to support Inf/-Inf right now
14:16 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/2a30681886
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14:28 Sptsh Hello!
14:29 Sptsh Say me pls, Learn perl6 as my first programing language is good idea?
14:39 pippo ^^ why convert to bag?
14:39 jnthn Sptsh: There's things to read if you're a Perl 5 programmer coming to Perl 6. There's things to read if you're coming to Perl 6 with knowledge of other languages. There's not really tutorials for those coming to Perl 6 who never programmed before.
14:43 lizmat pippo: that looks like a bug to me
14:43 cognominal Sptsh, I agree with jnthn++. On the other hand, it provides an interactive shell to play with. That's a good way to learn small scale parts of the language.
14:45 dalek rakudo/nom: 36e316d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Set.pm:
14:45 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix two Num stragglers to Real
14:45 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/36e316d9c0
14:45 jnthn cognominal: btw, it seems I may make the French Perl workshop after all this year...
14:46 pippo m: say (a => 1.1, b => 2.2).MixHash (|) (a => 0.5).MixHash;
14:46 camelia rakudo-moar dca539: OUTPUT«bag(a, b(2))␤»
14:48 pippo lizmat: also to me :-)
14:59 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/7d2e5547df
14:59 jnthn yeah, it's just unpretty :)
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15:02 lizmat hehe. almost simultaneous fix, vendethiel++
15:04 dalek roast: 02346c6 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-types/ (6 files):
15:04 dalek roast: Add tests for .min/.max on (Set|Bag|Mix)Hash
15:04 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/02346c690c
15:06 jnthn vendethiel: http://journeesperl.fr/fpw2014/
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15:07 vendethiel and it's free !
15:08 vendethiel thanks jnthn :-)
15:18 jnthn cognominal: Yes, it was under construction last time I was there. :)
15:18 jnthn cognominal: Venue has always been a nice place, though.
15:18 cognominal yes, and it is free!!
15:19 cognominal now, there is fablab there too.
15:20 dalek specs: 9213b13 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod:
15:20 dalek specs: Spec .min/.max on Bags
15:20 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/9213b13820
15:22 cognominal lizmat, I hope you will come too to fpw and propose Perl 6 talks or do you have other engagements?
15:24 lizmat we'll probably make it to FPW this year
15:24 lizmat but are not sure yet
15:24 lizmat as soon as we are, we will register and I will propose "How The Camel Is De-Cocooning" as a presentation
15:52 FROGGS moritz++
15:54 cognominal vendethiel, lizmat, fpw is free, even more though for people who do talks
15:54 vendethiel cognominal, I'm registered :). Glad it's free, else I wouldn't be able to attend it
15:55 cognominal s/though/so/
15:57 dalek roast: caeebea | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/lock.t:
15:57 dalek roast: Fudge Thread stress test for now
15:57 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/caeebea1f8
16:12 lizmat r: my $r = sub ($x) {}; say $r.signature.returns
16:12 camelia rakudo-parrot 7d2e55, rakudo-jvm 7d2e55, rakudo-moar 7d2e55: OUTPUT«(Mu)␤»
16:12 lizmat shouldn't that be (Any) ?
16:13 moritz lizmat: no
21:19 timotimo ah
21:19 jnthn timotimo: and xx is the list repetition operator
21:19 timotimo okay
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21:25 dalek rakudo/nom: 91f41bd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Baggy.pm:
21:25 dalek rakudo/nom: Add Bag.kxxv (preliminary name)
21:25 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/91f41bdcdd
21:25 lizmat $ perl6 -e '<a b b c c c>.Bag.kxxv.perl.say'
21:25 lizmat ("a", "b", "b", "c", "c", "c").list
21:25 lizmat Mouq++
21:25 vendethiel that'll be awkward to say out loud :-)
21:32 jnthn but the way to do that is to write a module exporting a different ClassHOW
21:32 jnthn And then method foo is decorated(...) { } or so
21:32 vendethiel I might not even need to do that, since I can just reset a "decorator table" every time I add a function
21:32 vendethiel is decorated looks much better ! if I'm able to chain them, definitely go with that !
21:33 dalek specs: 89cc32d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-setting-library/Containers.pod:
21:33 dalek specs: Spec Bag.kxxv
21:33 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/89cc32d82d
21:33 vendethiel thanks jnthn, I'll try that tomorrow :-)
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21:34 * jnthn chuckles at the confusion in the pr
21:36 lizmat if captures are to be by value, then:
22:37 jnthn Teaching tomorrow...guess I should sleep :)
22:37 jnthn 'night o/
22:38 Mouq night jnthn!
22:38 adu good night
22:39 dalek rakudo/nom: c855a0f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
22:39 dalek rakudo/nom: Implement Capture.WHICH
22:39 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c855a0f439
22:39 dalek roast: 2cde4fb | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S03-operators/value_equivalence.t:
22:39 dalek roast: Unfudge TODO's passing / fudge test for \@a
22:39 dalek roast:
22:39 dalek roast: The value is probably wrong, because \@a gets flattened into Capture.$!list
22:39 dalek roast: rather than having a single Array object in Capture.$!list[0]
22:39 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/2cde4fbcfe
22:39 lizmat gnight jnthn!
22:46 Mouq r: .say for <j m p> Z=> (<29205 29573 29115> Z/ <31342 31567 31155>)
22:46 dalek rakudo/nom: 442cdf8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
22:46 dalek rakudo/nom: Naively implement "is cached" on Routines
22:46 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/442cdf8340
22:46 camelia rakudo-parrot 91f41b, rakudo-jvm 91f41b, rakudo-moar 91f41b: OUTPUT«"j" => <29205/31342>␤"m" => <29573/31567>␤"p" => <1941/2077>␤»
22:47 Mouq m: say ($_*100).Int for <j m p> Z=> (<29205 29573 29115> Z/ <31342 31567 31155>)
22:47 camelia rakudo-moar 91f41b: OUTPUT«Cannot call 'Numeric'; none of these signatures match:␤:(Mu:U \v: *%_)␤  in sub infix:<*> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4154␤  in block  at /tmp/nnoP4rsZ8s:1␤␤»
22:47 Mouq -_-
22:51 dalek perl6-roast-data: 30f4207 | coke++ | / (6 files):
22:51 dalek perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
22:51 dalek perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6​-roast-data/commit/30f420759c
22:57 [Coke] (mojo6) i knew work made me forget something :)
22:57 dalek roast: 840d421 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-names/is_cached.t:
22:57 dalek roast: Add tests for "is_cached"
22:57 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/840d421264
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23:07 dalek rakudo/nom: 3aa101a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data:
23:07 dalek rakudo/nom: Add "is_cached" tests to roast
23:07 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3aa101ac77
23:09 dalek rakudo/nom: 79167a1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
23:09 dalek rakudo/nom: Some more Changelog updates
23:09 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/79167a1615
23:09 lizmat and sleep&
23:11 cognominal lizmat, how come %cache is lexical _into_ the trait_mod sub? /me suspects he should go to sleep too
23:11 cognominal it should be outside to cache anything?
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Results for 2014-04-12

07:59 lizmat encroaching on 3 mins for doing the full spectest on moar
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08:10 dalek roast: 0003eab | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S03-operators/orelse.t:
08:10 dalek roast: Properly plan / skip orelse tests
08:10 dalek roast:
08:10 dalek roast: Before we had a plan, some tests were basically ignored.  Now with a plan,
08:10 dalek roast: and skips in place, we still somehow miss the last test being executed.
08:10 dalek roast: Patches welcome.
08:10 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/0003eab49e
08:11 lizmat decommute&
08:14 dalek roast: 13206ce | moritz++ | S03-operators/orelse.t:
08:14 dalek roast: fix fudging of orelse tests
08:14 dalek roast:
13:08 timotimo o/
13:08 timotimo "fixed that for you"
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13:20 lizmat ah, cool
13:26 dalek specs: fa542ea | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S99-glossary.pod:
13:26 dalek specs: Add ftfy lemma
13:26 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/fa542ea3ff
13:26 timotimo i wonder if a "spesh" lemma is in order?
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13:29 lizmat most definitely!
13:29 lizmat patches welcome  :-)
16:45 lizmat "operator's identify valiue"
16:45 lizmat shouldn't that read "identity" value ?
16:45 TimToady yup
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16:47 dalek specs: 9e5a70e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S03-operators.pod:
16:47 dalek specs: Identified type and fixed
16:47 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/9e5a70e43c
16:48 lizmat *typo
16:50 TimToady it's also one of those spots where the design is assuming a decent optimizer to pull the is-it-defined? guard out of the loop
16:52 TimToady and maybe even just turn it into an initializer for the variable, with no need to check definedness at all
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Results for 2014-04-11

08:07 timotimo you know as well as i do that perl 6 is a very big topic :)
08:08 raiph Ven: have you seen http://perlcabal.org/syn/S​07.html#Levels_of_laziness ?
08:08 Ven_ that was a way to say "really, anything you have to say about it" -- I'm pretty sure you could talk about how irc logs are made and still make an interesting talk :)
08:08 timotimo ah, so you haven't seen any of my talks then!
08:09 dalek roast: 84c6f41 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/thread.t:
08:09 dalek roast: Skip possibly faulty test on moar
08:09 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/84c6f411bf
08:09 Ven_ raiph: I have ! (I don't know how much I remember from the synopses, but I've read them all). I just know that on some parts (esp. parts like that), the spec might not match the implem.
08:09 raiph k
08:09 Ven_ timotimo: perl6casts.org o/
08:11 Ven_ Can you consider breaking that could never have worked, a breaking change ?
08:21 Ven_ well I typo, but really cool.
08:22 jnthn lizmat: If we initialize the var it works out consistently fine here.
08:22 lizmat ok, will change
08:22 timotimo aye, the way it does type intuition from strings is really really helpful, too
08:23 dalek roast: adda017 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/thread.t:
08:23 dalek roast: Initializing prevents the race to initialize, jnthn++
08:23 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/adda01717d
08:23 lizmat sightseeing and commuting&
08:24 jnthn lizmat: have fun
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Results for 2014-04-08

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10:00 lizmat it's windy today
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10:02 dalek roast: baf5685 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/lock.t:
10:02 dalek roast: Add a Thread/lock stress test
10:02 dalek roast:
10:02 dalek roast: Which so far fails all the time.  Not sure whether the test is ok.
10:02 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/baf56856eb
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Results for 2014-04-07

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09:46 dalek rakudo/nom: c575000 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | / (2 files):
09:46 dalek rakudo/nom: Remove .winners for now
09:46 dalek rakudo/nom:
09:46 dalek rakudo/nom: To prevent anybody from using it while the spec is still very much in flux.
09:46 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/c5750007e5
09:50 lizmat jnthn, TimToady: to me the big question is now: do we want to have some kind of ".close" on a Promise
09:50 lizmat or do we need to change Promises into Channels, and use the .closed attribute on the Channel
09:51 lizmat to make winner {} and/or outcome {} sane
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11:26 brrt that is like building a brand new vm for.. perl5.8
11:27 moritz huh, which one?
11:27 brrt pyston, backlog of … . 12:19
11:27 brrt (my time)
11:29 dalek specs: 5027a94 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
11:29 dalek specs: Let's revert back to before I got into this
11:29 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/5027a94137
11:37 dalek specs: 7136f93 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
11:37 dalek specs: Make winner {} about Channel's only
11:37 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/7136f9327c
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17:42 raiph if anyone here should know it's timotimo but he seems to have focused on NQP targeting pypy rather than nqp just doing its own equivalent of what pypy does
17:43 timotimo aye
17:43 isBEKaml yeah, I can understand that. target VMs/backends and you get free specialized optimizations.
17:45 raiph timotimo: am I right to think NQP really ought to (or already does) leverage (something akin to) the futamura projections approach?
17:45 dalek rakudo-star-daily: 71df6cb | coke++ | log/ (5 files):
17:45 dalek rakudo-star-daily: today (automated commit)
17:45 dalek rakudo-star-daily: review: https://github.com/coke/rakudo​-star-daily/commit/71df6cb7a0
17:45 dalek perl6-roast-data: 47692cd | coke++ | / (6 files):
17:45 dalek perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
17:45 dalek perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6​-roast-data/commit/47692cdf7a
17:54 dalek rakudo/nom: 2991f8e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
17:54 dalek rakudo/nom: Naively add .object attribute to Method::NotFound
17:54 dalek rakudo/nom:
17:54 dalek rakudo/nom: Part of work in progress
17:54 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/2991f8e410
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18:00 moritz lizmat++ # though I'd prefer it if the attribute was called 'invocant', because nearly everything is an object, so 'object' is very generic
18:03 raiph isBEKaml: https://news.ycombinator.com​/item?id=7061360#up_7061913 # I'm adding this to my quest comment as the best quick explanation I've yet found about Futamura projections and PyPy
18:07 isBEKaml raiph: yeah, that helps - but I still don't understand why it is important to perl6. :-)
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18:43 * BenGoldberg keeps reading Futamura as Futurama
18:44 tadzik oh, I was sure it's Futurama
18:44 tadzik heh
18:44 dalek rakudo/nom: f524e97 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/ (2 files):
18:44 dalek rakudo/nom: s/object/invocant/ as per moritz++ suggestion
18:44 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/f524e9745c
18:45 PerlJam lizmat++ moritz++
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19:13 jnthn a() is not a scalar LHS, meaning it parses list prec on the RHS
19:20 lizmat r: my @a=^10; say (@a[*-1]:k).WHAT
19:20 camelia rakudo-parrot 2991f8, rakudo-jvm 2991f8, rakudo-moar 2991f8: OUTPUT«(Parcel)␤»
19:20 lizmat this should be fixed soon
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom: be722dc | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/array_slice.pm:
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix Parcelness of @a[*-1] slices with adverbs
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom:
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom: Before this, these would always return a Parcel, even when it was clear only one
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom: element was requested.
19:22 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/be722dc6f4
19:22 lizmat $ perl6 -e 'my @a=^10; say (@a[*-1]:v).WHAT'
19:22 lizmat (Int)
19:23 lizmat although I must admit I'm not at all happy about the way this was fixed.
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19:33 dalek rakudo/nom: b428e8c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
19:33 dalek rakudo/nom: Some Changelog fixes
19:33 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/b428e8cecf
19:41 lizmat jnthn: even when we're limiting winner {} to channels only, then you're still going to see re-do of any code blocks associated with "done"  :-(
19:41 lizmat hmm... perhaps not, lemme check
19:43 lizmat I just reallized I can refrain from adding an already closed channel to the "todo" list
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20:27 lizmat in the winner {} test, I have to do this hack to make it stop when all channels have closed:
20:27 lizmat done @c { %done{$:k}++; last if +%done == 2 }
20:27 jnthn *nod*
20:27 jnthn Yeah, it's...icky.
20:39 dalek rakudo/nom: 3e72f70 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
20:39 dalek rakudo/nom: winner {} is only about channels and not promises
20:39 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3e72f7011c
20:39 dalek roast: f6d09ab | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/winner.t:
20:39 dalek roast: winner {} is only about promises
20:39 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/f6d09ab253
20:40 lue Huh?
20:40 lizmat oops...  channels  :-)
20:41 lizmat grrr
20:41 jnthn o.O
20:42 lizmat hmmm... not sure how to fix an already pushed commit message remotely
20:42 jnthn you...don't. :)
20:43 vendethiel (you'd have to force-push -- don't !)
20:43 benabik Well, you can fix it locally and overwrite the remote version.  But it’s considered a bit rude.
20:45 dalek roast: 8b9265f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/winner.t:
20:45 dalek roast: Elaborate on winner {} and multiple *channels* (only)
20:45 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/8b9265f3ed
20:51 * colomon was going to read the S17 spec this week, but it's already changed about five times since he decided that.
20:52 * vendethiel read the S17 spec, can't remember anything about it, and will probably have to re-read it later
20:55 dalek roast: e414443 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | integration/advent2013-day14.t:
20:55 dalek roast: remove commented code
20:55 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/e4144437bd
20:55 dalek roast: 2aa7b50 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | integration/advent2013-day21.t:
20:55 dalek roast: adding advent 2013 day 21
20:55 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/2aa7b50d4e
20:55 dalek roast: 3ff5fbb | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | S17-concurrency/winner.t:
20:55 dalek roast: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/perl6/roast
20:55 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/3ff5fbbd59
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21:09 dalek roast: 792f7a8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/lock.t:
21:09 dalek roast: Add diag message for thread running *after* join
21:09 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/792f7a820f
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21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: 45863ee | jonathan++ | src/core/ (3 files):
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: Remove unused parameter names.
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/45863ee4a3
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: caa39a8 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: Mark generated *%_ as having hash sigil.
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom:
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: This prevents it getting wrapped up in an extra scalar container.
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/caa39a8f6c
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: ebd3729 | jonathan++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: Simplify code-gen of slurpy things.
21:11 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ebd3729f4e
21:12 * lizmat runs spectest, then pulls, then runs spectest again
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21:24 lizmat unscientific testing shows spectest is using ~ 1% CPU less in about 1% less time
21:24 lizmat Files=801, Tests=31032, 205 wallclock secs ( 8.07 usr  3.68 sys + 1377.39 cusr 95.43 csys = 1484.57 CPU)

Results for 2014-04-06

09:42 lizmat but you may not always wait for values on channels synchronously
09:44 lizmat in any case, I'm removing Redeem from the spec now
09:44 lizmat if we would have anything like that, it would be orthogonal to the status of the Promise
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09:49 dalek specs: 4134f88 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
09:49 dalek specs: Remove Redeemed/.redeem
09:49 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/4134f880fd
09:51 lizmat so now we need to keep state outside of the outcome  :-(
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19:36 timotimo i'm confused
19:36 Mouq vendethiel: Original description: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/456f3aa9b
19:36 Mouq That got distorted
19:37 vendethiel thanks Mouq. Didn't grasp it from the rakudo star posts
19:37 dalek rakudo/nom: eb85757 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data:
19:37 dalek rakudo/nom: Add advent2013-20 tests to roast
19:37 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/eb857578d6
19:39 lizmat dwarring++
19:44 timotimo dwarring++
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20:11 * dwarring Perl 6 addict :-)
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20:46 dalek specs: 6e8b79e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
20:46 dalek specs: Move introduction of outcome {} after Channel
20:46 dalek specs:
20:46 dalek specs: The way it was, we're starting to discuss Channels in the context of outcome
20:46 dalek specs: before we specced what a Channel is.
20:46 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/6e8b79ef06
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21:08 dalek specs: c4db4e1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
21:08 dalek specs: Remove mention of outcome in Channel spec
21:08 dalek specs:
21:08 dalek specs: It is mentioned in the "outcome" spec, so premature here.
21:08 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/c4db4e1007
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21:12 PYTHONLOVER why should i learn perl?
21:12 dalek specs: 9089b24 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
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21:12 dalek specs: Clarify that outcome takes Promises* and Channels*
21:12 dalek specs:
21:12 dalek specs: As in zero or more
21:12 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/9089b2442f
21:13 PYTHONLOVER ?
21:13 lizmat why should I learn Python ?
21:14 PYTHONLOVER because it's still used, and has corporate sponsors and funding
21:14 geekosaur you are claiming that perl isn't used. interesting blindness

Results for 2014-04-05

07:40 lizmat moritz /o
07:41 * moritz has to build a new NQP before being able to test his patch
07:44 * lizmat thinks she found the problem
07:44 lizmat .winners() should not exist in parrot, checking ifdeffed version now
07:48 dalek rakudo/nom: 2be444c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/List.pm:
07:48 dalek rakudo/nom: .winners should not exist in rakudo-p
07:48 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/2be444c6f7
07:48 lizmat sorry for the inconvenience
07:49 Woodi hi today :)
07:49 Woodi moritz: you was mentioning some project with JSON messages, what is his name ?
07:51 Woodi also: what is 'actor semantic' ? :)
09:48 jnthn I think the whole construct needs a revisit.
09:48 lizmat indeed, I'm coming to that conclusion as well
09:49 lizmat in a way, I was doing this with .winners, but I guess we need to go deeper
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10:03 dalek roast: 65ddc70 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/winner.t:
10:03 dalek roast: Some more winner {} tests
10:03 dalek roast:
10:03 dalek roast: Which just show we need something better specced and implemented
10:03 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/65ddc70fa0
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10:07 TimToady how does .winner differ from "race"
10:07 TimToady er, .winners
10:08 * TimToady doesn't like calling all of the finishers "winners", political correctness notwithstanding
16:41 lizmat which is a lot of bookkeeping  :-(
16:42 jnthn yeah, agree.
16:45 lizmat I'll probably test an implementation of outcome {} later tonight, and if it works, spec it, ok?
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16:50 dalek roast: 3b5223c | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/lock.t:
16:50 dalek roast: Make lock test failure a bit more verbose
16:50 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/3b5223c891
16:51 lizmat jnthn: see above change
16:51 lizmat about 1 in 15 times I get:
16:51 lizmat not ok 7 - Condition variable worked
16:51 lizmat #      got: 'ale,porter'
21:46 Mouq synopsebot: ping? S03
21:46 lue synopsebot only triggers on syn:line
21:46 Mouq Oh :P
21:47 gtodd Mouq:  just noting there seems to be none of the structured documentation cues one normally sees in a pod ... yet ... but I guess POD formats have changed for p6 and are not yet complete
21:47 dalek specs: f136000 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
21:47 dalek specs: Add "Redeemed" status and .redeem to Promise
21:47 dalek specs:
21:47 dalek specs: This would be the equivalent of Channel.close.
21:47 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/f136000164
21:47 lue gtodd: what do you mean?
21:47 Mouq gtodd: Could you be more specific? What's unstructured about what we have? I'd like to improve what we have if possible
21:47 jnthn lizmat: I...doubt that's going to last.
21:48 * Mouq has never used p6doc, note
22:07 timotimo lizmat: well, in order to serialize stuff ... hmm.
22:07 timotimo well, i suppose you can also .>>then({$my_channel.send($stuff)}) and serialize it that way
22:07 timotimo and then for @$my_chanel { ... }
22:07 timotimo but those are all hacks i'm afraid
22:08 dalek doc: 8b066e3 | Mouq++ | lib/Bag.pod:
22:08 dalek doc: `==` → `===` in Bag.pod
22:08 dalek doc:
22:08 dalek doc: `==` is numeric comparison. `===` does what we want here.
22:08 dalek doc: review: https://github.com/perl6/doc/commit/8b066e348a
22:19 dalek specs: a332fbc | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
22:19 dalek specs: Spec "outcome/whenever" instead of "winner/done/more"
22:19 dalek specs:
22:19 dalek specs: For discussion, and for a test implementation.  Please comment / fire on it /
22:19 dalek specs: shoot it down if you think you should.  By no means do I feel this is the
22:19 dalek specs: final thing.  It's just that winner {} currently is *so* broken, we either
22:19 dalek specs: need to fix that, or come up with something else.  This is just my something
22:19 dalek specs: else :-)
22:19 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a332fbcb7e
22:21 lizmat hmmm.. maybe done on a Promise should allow you to redeem the promise
22:21 lizmat done $p1 { $_.redeem }
22:22 lue Is it normal for  panda install  on perl6-m to die with    Nil\nNo such method 'get-project' for invocant of type 'Any'    ?
22:23 lizmat perhaps .redeem should be a separate attribute on the Promise

Results for 2014-04-04

13:18 * lizmat is almost ready to unleash her new winner {} implementation on the world
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13:22 PerlJam lizmat: take the leash off!  Let it run wild!  :)
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: 6768b72 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: Re-implement WINNER, support "done @promises"
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom:
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: Much of the logic existed twice in the sub, this has now been simplified.  Also,
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: any parameter sanity tests are now performed *before* looking for a Promise/Channel
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: so that problems in parameters do not stay hidden if they just did not happen to hit
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: that case.
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/6768b72701
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: e09c87d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Supply.pm:
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: Simplify Supply.list, like Channel.list now
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom:
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: This seems now possible after the WINNER refactor
13:23 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e09c87d1d9
13:26 timotimo LLamaRider: f5 to see p5 as well
13:27 timotimo lizmat: thanks for improving WINNER
13:27 timotimo i'm amazed i still have commit access to rakudo and nqp :P
13:28 lizmat timotimo++ for the initial implementation
14:02 PerlJam gutentag hoelzro
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14:05 timotimo LLamaRider: except almost all benchmarks are very poor for comparison's sake
14:08 LLamaRider how come?
14:15 dalek rakudo/nom: a544f29 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
14:15 dalek rakudo/nom: Oops, $:k should contain ordinal, not promise
14:15 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a544f2901f
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14:21 timotimo LLamaRider: if you look at japhb/perl6-bench on github, you'll see that they really are just microbenchmarks
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18:49 grondilu )
18:49 timotimo rectangle reduce? [|*]
18:50 grondilu and factorial could be written  [\*] 1 .. *    (? not sure about thi one though)
18:50 * grondilu thinks
18:50 dalek rakudo/nom: 3325bb1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
18:50 dalek rakudo/nom: Test for Promise/Channel on first one as well
18:50 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/3325bb1d82
18:50 grondilu yes, factorial would then be [\*] 1 .. *
18:51 jnthn timotimo: It builds fine here.
18:52 jnthn timotimo: Just tried it again from scratch
18:52 grondilu timotimo: I think it must still look triangular, but maybe with a ° to mean that we want the degenerate case as well.  So [°\*]
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19:02 nwc10 if I had notes I could stick one on where the airport control tower is.
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19:13 dalek rakudo/nom: 8908784 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
19:13 dalek rakudo/nom: Some more cleanup in WINNER
19:13 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/8908784333
19:19 [Coke] WINNER WINNER
19:20 dalek perl6-roast-data: ad1cb0c | coke++ | / (6 files):
19:20 dalek perl6-roast-data: today (automated commit)
19:20 dalek perl6-roast-data: review: https://github.com/coke/perl6​-roast-data/commit/ad1cb0cec1
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20:45 dalek roast: dab8862 | (David Warring david.warring@gmail.com)++ | integration/advent2013-day19.t:
20:45 dalek roast: adding advent 2013 day 19
20:45 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/dab8862bc8
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: 69109d2 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: Move &invoke_right to global INVOKE_KV
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom:
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: So List.winners can use it also
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/69109d228f
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: 883145d | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/List.pm:
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: Naive implementation of .winners()
20:48 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/883145d27d
20:49 lizmat $ time perl6 -e '(^10).pick(*).map( { start { .sleep; $_ } } ).winners: { $:v.print }'
20:49 lizmat 0123456789
20:49 lizmat real0m9.339s
20:49 lizmat user0m0.773s
21:07 jnthn lizmat: Well, it is a cute combinator
21:07 jnthn lizmat: I think we'll need to discuss its error semantics at some point
21:09 lizmat it's basically the same error semantics as winner {...}
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21:13 dalek rakudo/nom: e6f73eb | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
21:13 dalek rakudo/nom: Add entries for winner {} fix and new .winners()
21:13 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e6f73eb941
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21:18 segomos did caller get renamed?
21:22 lizmat not that I know of
21:23 segomos is it just 'caller.whatever' or ?, i'm starting to find references to %CALLER, $.caller, $CALLER, and various other combinations
21:23 jnthn segomos: What are you trying to achieve?
21:24 jnthn (there's more than one mechanism in this space and it's hard to know what to point you at without knowing the use case)
21:26 dalek rakudo/nom: a757718 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data:
21:26 dalek rakudo/nom: Adding dwarrings++ advent 2013 tests to roast
21:26 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/a757718d99
21:26 segomos jnthn: i'm trying to do something similar to perl5's Web::Scraper and in doing so, i need the 'process' blocks to be bound to an objects, though i'd like the syntax to be plain and clean like web::scraper
21:27 lizmat for moar: Files=799, Tests=31002
21:27 segomos https://metacpan.org/pod/Web::Scraper
21:27 jnthn segomos: Thanks, looking
21:31 jnthn lue: Do you need to get results back, or not?
21:31 segomos jnthn: this one and my csv::query are fighting for my attention atm :-)
21:32 lue jnthn: no, the process just outputs a file in the end, I don't need to get anything back from the function. (This is for that synopsis generator of mine, wanting to see if paralleling it speeds it up any.)
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21:35 dalek nqp/jnthn-lex-loc: 4dd7814 | jnthn++ | src/NQP/Optimizer.nqp:
21:35 dalek nqp/jnthn-lex-loc: Walk default defaults in the optimizer.
21:35 dalek nqp/jnthn-lex-loc: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/4dd78145ff
21:35 dalek specs: 9e4c566 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
21:35 dalek specs: Also mention MoarVM
21:35 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/9e4c566b7e
21:36 jnthn lue: await @files.map: -> $file start { ...process $file... };
21:36 lue Ah, didn't catch the await keyword :) .
21:38 jnthn uh, I screwed up the syntax
21:38 jnthn await @files.map: -> $file { start { ...process $file... } }
22:16 lizmat me neither, seems like a lot of extra work that may not be needed
22:17 BenGoldberg Maybe .winners should take an extra argument, so that the user can say whether they want a list of Channels/Promises, or a list of values, or ...
22:18 BenGoldberg D'oh, I know.  Just have .winners examine the prototype of the block it's passed.
22:19 lizmat that's what INVOKE_KV does
22:32 dalek rakudo/nom: 567105e | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/asyncops.pm:
22:32 dalek rakudo/nom: For now, wrap failed Promises in a Failure
22:32 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/567105e373
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22:33 lizmat and with that, I'm going to sleep on the ramifications of handling both Channels and Promises with winner {} and .winners
22:33 lizmat gnight #perl6!
22:36 jnthn 'night, lizmat++

Results for 2014-04-03

13:23 lizmat the people of a company should be its greatest asset
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13:24 retupmoca colomon: I've filed a bug at https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/issues/88 for the time being
13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: 09fbdc7 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/Perl6/Actions.nqp:
13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: Remove unneeded extra level of if
13:25 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/09fbdc74d0
13:25 retupmoca I don't know if it's moarvm-level, but hopefully that will start a discussion about it at least
13:34 sergot r: pir::time__N()
13:34 camelia rakudo-jvm 1bc429: OUTPUT«(timeout)»
13:34 camelia ..rakudo-parrot 1bc429: ( no output )
22:41 timotimo Stage parse      : make: *** [CORE.setting.moarvm] Segmentation fault
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22:52 timotimo doesn't crash without spesh branch
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22:58 dalek rakudo/nom: 972ef02 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Numeric.pm:
22:58 dalek rakudo/nom: Allow for .sleep on numbers
22:58 dalek rakudo/nom:
22:58 dalek rakudo/nom: Getting tired of typing "sleep $_" all the time, while ".sleep" sits in my fingers
22:58 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/972ef025ac
22:59 lizmat aka: $ perl6 -e 'say time; $_ = 2; .sleep; say time'
22:59 lizmat 1396565955
22:59 lizmat 1396565957
22:59 lizmat and with that inspiration, I bid you all a good night!

Results for 2014-03-31

07:36 arnsholt o/
07:37 FROGGS moin arnsholt
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07:43 simula67 TimToady: gfc == Great Firewall of China ?
07:44 dalek rakudo/nom: 5a1c937 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/ChangeLog:
07:44 dalek rakudo/nom: Update Changelog for features/fixes so far
07:44 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/5a1c937324
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07:50 dalek nqp: a2bb2db | (Arne Skjærholt)++ | src/HLL/Compiler.nqp:
07:50 dalek nqp: Tweak how we handle --stagestats.
07:50 dalek nqp:
07:50 dalek nqp: Now, the stage name is printed *before* the stage starts, and time spent doing
07:50 dalek nqp: it once it's done. Useful for those who can never remember the order of the
07:50 dalek nqp: stages.
07:50 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/a2bb2db504
07:52 FROGGS ahh, nice
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08:19 lizmat r: say (foo => "bar").perl
08:58 FROGGS it is even unlikely doable until tomorrow evening/midnight
08:59 FROGGS to get jvm clean, I mean
08:59 jnthn Yeah, quite.
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08:59 dalek nqp: 08e997a | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
08:59 dalek nqp: Bump MOAR_REVISION to get sleep sort fixes in
08:59 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/08e997a9fe
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08:59 jnthn Trouble is, this prep work kinda needed to have started a week or two before it did.
09:00 jnthn While I'm grateful to FROGGS++ and timotimo++ for jumping in and doing a bunch of work on tristar, it's kinda come a bit later than it was needed.
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09:42 FROGGS then pull, and do the git describe again
09:42 FROGGS your commit was 08e997a, and that should be in there
09:42 FROGGS coffee &
09:42 lizmat ack, see it now , duh
09:43 dalek rakudo/nom: b777559 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | tools/build/NQP_REVISION:
09:43 dalek rakudo/nom: Bump NQP_REVISION to get sleep sort fixes in
09:43 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/b777559fd1
09:49 dalek roast: 2f754e1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/promise.t:
09:49 dalek roast: Unfudge sleep sort test
09:49 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/2f754e1dd8
09:49 jnthn lizmat: So, all happy now? :)
09:49 lizmat almost: the test now passes, but the simpler one line version still segfaults  :-(
09:50 jnthn lizmat: Oh...what's your one-line version?
09:50 lizmat $ perl6 -e '(^10).pick(*).map: { start { sleep $_; .say } }'

Results for 2014-03-30

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17:52 lizmat timotimo: not according to spec
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17:57 dalek rakudo/nom: ee7dbc1 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Str.pm:
17:57 dalek rakudo/nom: Implement univals() and Str.unival(s)
17:57 dalek rakudo/nom:
17:57 dalek rakudo/nom: According to S15:490 and following, without the Unicodey role though.
17:57 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/ee7dbc124f
17:57 synopsebot Link: http://perlcabal.org/syn/S15.html#line_490
17:58 lizmat afk while sampling the local bere&
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18:12 timotimo OK

Results for 2014-03-29

19:18 dalek roast: Use the server ready flag file for discard test also
19:18 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/5bf4b14825
19:19 simula67 thanks
19:20 moritz simula67: thank you for your patch!
19:27 dalek roast: b56f999 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/thread.t:
19:27 dalek roast: Differentiate reasons for skipping tests
19:27 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/b56f9996c7
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20:06 FROGGS updated: https://gist.github.com/FR​OGGS/0ea5537eb675588baaa2
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21:40 jnthn Just making sure I didn't but the Rakudo build
21:40 jnthn bust
21:40 FROGGS it is easy for me to pull and rebuild now
21:43 dalek nqp: dba4289 | jnthn++ | src/vm/jvm/runtime/org/perl6​/nqp/sixmodel/reprs/P6Opaque (2 files):
21:43 dalek nqp: Make sure inlined obj REPRs survive serialization.
21:43 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/dba4289d51
21:46 dalek roast: 80e2368 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/supply.t:
21:46 dalek roast: Add "todo" for merging taps not working
21:46 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/80e23686b3
21:46 dalek roast: 3fa0240 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/promise.t:
21:46 dalek roast: Add "skip" for sleepsort not working
21:46 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/3fa02406d0
21:46 dalek roast: 0a763be | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency/ (3 files):
21:46 dalek roast: Add skips for :in/:at/:every not yet implemented
21:46 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/0a763bedef
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: fea8aa8 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Supply.pm:
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: Fix Supply.list and make code more readable
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/fea8aa80f2
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: e501475 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | t/spectest.data:
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: Make sure all S17 tests are run on moar
21:47 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/e501475959
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21:47 lizmat that should add quite a few passing tests for moar :-)
21:48 FROGGS lizmat++
21:49 jnthn lizmat: ooh, nice :)

Results for 2014-03-28

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00:04 dalek roast: 77b8dc4 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/roll.t:
00:04 dalek roast: Add tests for sanity of .roll on Enums
00:04 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/77b8dc4892
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21:26 camelia rakudo-parrot 3699aa: OUTPUT«Invocant requires an instance, but a type object was passed␤  in method Bridge at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:4376␤  in sub infix:<<> at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:4293␤  in sub infix:<<> at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:4137␤  in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at g…»
21:26 camelia ..rakudo-moar 3699aa: OUTPUT«Invocant requires an instance, but a type object was passed␤  in method Bridge at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4372␤  in sub infix:<<> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4289␤  in sub infix:<<> at src/gen/m-CORE.setting:4133␤  in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at src/ge…»
21:26 camelia ..rakudo-jvm 3699aa: OUTPUT«Cannot look up attributes in a type object␤  in method Bridge at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:4373␤  in sub infix:<<> at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:4289␤  in sub infix:<<> at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:4133␤  in sub postcircumfix:<[ ]> at gen/jvm/CORE.setting:2385␤  …»
21:27 BenGoldberg Very peculiar that jvm produces a different error message.
21:50 dalek specs: 756c4ce | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S02-bits.pod:
21:50 dalek specs: Fix left behind "async" (we only do "start" now)
21:50 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/756c4ceb14
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22:07 dalek roast: 71706d4 | moritz++ | S32-num/power.t:
22:07 dalek roast: fix a moar fudge
22:07 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/71706d4d23
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22:09 dalek roast: aac2968 | moritz++ | S06-macros/quasi-blocks.t:
22:09 dalek roast: another moar fudge
22:09 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/aac2968614
22:10 moritz still lots of rakudo-m spectest failures
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22:10 moritz this is frustrating.
22:10 jnthn moritz: Was there ~40 before you started?

Results for 2014-03-27

08:38 nwc10 is timotimo? :-)
08:39 FROGGS I don't think he is going to come :o(
08:39 * FROGGS reads the links posted by raiph++
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08:49 dalek specs: d120e1f | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S99-glossary.pod:
08:49 dalek specs: Add lemma for RT
08:49 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/d120e1f19b
08:52 lizmat indeed, in da house  :-)
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09:07 vendethiel lizmat++
09:13 FROGGS raiph++ # the pros/cons are very helpful
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10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: 68e0948 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/core/Enumeration.pm:
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: Make .pick/.roll on Enums behave sanely
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom:
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: Same.pick could return Less or More.  Now only Order.pick will return either
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: Less, Same or More.  Same for .roll.  As discussed from
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/​perl6/2014-03-26#i_8496012
10:20 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/68e094824b
10:21 colomon jnthn: I was just playing around with the debugger (installed without hassle on rakudo-moar, very basics seem to work!) and got the following message:
10:21 colomon >>> LOADING bin/abctranspose
10:21 colomon >>> LOADING /home/colomon/tools/ABC/lib/ABC/Header.pm
10:21 colomon >>> LOADING /home/colomon/tools/ABC/lib/ABC/Tune.pm
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11:18 cognominal it often does a NUTwork.
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11:28 dalek roast: 5859df5 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S32-list/pick.t:
11:28 dalek roast: Add tests for sanity of .pick on Enums
11:28 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/5859df5890
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11:37 vendethiel are they passing?
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12:05 arnsholt nwc10: Thanks for testing the branch!

Results for 2014-03-25

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09:38 dalek rakudo/nom: de78943 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | src/Perl6/Metamodel/BOOTSTRAP.nqp:
09:38 dalek rakudo/nom: Delay throwing of error, as suggested by jnthn++
09:38 dalek rakudo/nom: review: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/de789437a2
09:39 lizmat this fixes the bust, and returns to previous levels of errors in spectest
09:39 lizmat preparing for commute to Hannover
09:42 jnthn lizmat++
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10:09 dalek roast: e81b345 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S05-mass/charsets.t:
10:09 dalek roast: Unfudge now passing test on parrot
10:09 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/e81b3458ce
10:09 lizmat verified spectest on parrot was also ok and found a passing todo
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10:25 lizmat commute to Hannover&

Results for 2014-03-24

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20:26 FROGGS PCRE FTW!
20:27 timotimo jnthn: what does your tuit supply look like while the gpw happens?
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20:28 dalek specs: 4591626 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
20:28 dalek specs: Some clarifications, after questions from jnthn++
20:28 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/459162649f
20:38 hoelzro wrt using STD.pm6 to generate syntax files, what did you have in mind? introspecting it to find certain keywords, or...?
20:42 tadzik I was offline for the last 1.5 hours :o
20:42 tadzik and didn't even notice
20:42 lizmat and you thought we were quiet  :-)

Results for 2014-03-23

20:50 FROGGS Araq: this might be easier to read: https://github.com/rakudo/r​akudo/blob/nom/docs/ROADMAP
20:50 lizmat FROGGS: where does that page live ?
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20:50 lizmat found it
20:54 dalek mu: 1c70bc0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/feather/syn_index.html:
20:54 dalek mu: Fix references of S22 and S11
20:54 dalek mu: review: https://github.com/perl6/mu/commit/1c70bc04d0
20:54 Mouq Is S18-Compiling really something that needs its own Synopsis at this point?
20:54 Mouq lizmat++
20:56 lue Mouq: since the synopses are based off that one Perl book, my guess is that it's related to compiling Perl 6.
20:56 dalek mu: 3930588 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | docs/feather/syn_index.html:
20:56 dalek mu: Refine reference to S17 (hardly a draft anymore)
20:56 dalek mu: review: https://github.com/perl6/mu/commit/393058821e
20:57 dalek specs: 991c0bf | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-concurrency.pod:
20:57 dalek specs: Undraft S17
20:57 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/991c0bface
20:58 FROGGS jnthn: I golfed it for Pod::To::HTML
20:58 FROGGS it is just:
20:58 FROGGS #= hi
20:58 FROGGS sub hallo { }

Results for 2014-03-22

15:06 masak that said, a smart-enough compiler should cheat as much as it could, and reduce all dynamic exception-mediated control flow to static jumps.
15:07 vendethiel though you can simulate that behavior in any language that has *at least* one dynamic jump (like exception)
15:08 vendethiel most languages have them (break, continue) lexically scoped
15:09 masak well, lexically scoped is the "sane" option.
15:10 dalek specs: eb7c5b3 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
15:10 dalek specs: Wave some hands about bundles
15:10 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/eb7c5b373a
15:10 masak easy to explain, implement, and debug.
15:10 * masak waves some hands to lizmat :)
15:10 vendethiel masak: though I believe that's "easy to explain" because people are used to it
15:10 * lizmat waves back at masak and the rest of #perl6

Results for 2014-03-19

21:46 camelia rakudo-parrot 01d16c, rakudo-jvm 01d16c, rakudo-moar 01d16c, niecza v24-109-g48a8de3: OUTPUT«125000250000␤»
21:46 flussence -ENOPATIENCE
21:47 moritz ECAMELIASLOW
21:48 * brrt sometimes forgets p6 can be quite nice and readable
21:49 dalek specs: 57750d0 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
21:49 dalek specs: Some more clarifications, especially with provides
21:49 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/57750d03f2
21:49 lue Int|Str doesn't exist anymore IIRC
21:49 moritz correct
21:49 moritz it never really existed
21:49 moritz just as a vague, unimplementable idea in the specs

Results for 2014-03-16

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07:53 dalek specs: 98eb912 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
07:53 dalek specs: Elaborate a bit on the recommendation manager
07:53 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/98eb912cb2
07:54 lizmat and good *, #perl6!
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08:36 dalek specs: 9826d21 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
08:36 dalek specs: Elaborate a bit on "excludes" META6.json tag
08:36 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/9826d214d7
08:36 dalek specs: 2b2df65 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
08:36 dalek specs: Introduce "tags" entry, stolen from old S22
08:36 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/2b2df65962
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09:06 masak good morning, #perl6
09:16 camelia rakudo-moar a24091: OUTPUT«3.16␤»
09:17 masak if other people can have pi day, then I can have sqrt(10) day :)
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09:30 FROGGS ahh :o)
09:37 dalek specs: c308fcd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
09:37 dalek specs: Allow for alternatives in "depends"
09:37 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/c308fcd5b5
09:48 masak lizmat: design alert: list-of-lists seems a bit anemic for specifying and-clause-of-or-clauses semantics.
09:49 masak lizmat: put differently, I don't look at that structure and go "aha! those dependencies are *alternatives* to each other!"
09:49 masak lizmat: suggest exploring the design space, preferably here on #perl6.
09:50 lizmat I was actually using the old S22 as inspiration
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13:14 timotimo o/
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13:17 lizmat timotimo: /O
13:19 dalek specs: 1609527 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
13:19 dalek specs: Another batch of changes and clarifications
13:19 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/1609527f9f
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13:26 pmurias re irc url in S22 is there a standard way of describing those?
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13:49 FROGGS timotimo: no, because in fact it caused a slowdown, and in the middle of finding out why I got distracted and stopped
13:50 FROGGS stage parse was about 7% slower IIRC
13:50 lizmat timotimo++ for teh fix
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13:53 dalek specs: ee77b32 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
13:53 dalek specs: Introduce the "hooks" directory
13:53 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/ee77b328db
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13:59 lizmat pmurias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Uniform_resource_locator
14:19 timotimo jnthn: which part of the jvm interop arity dispatcher code was supposed to move from nqp to rakudo again?
14:31 dalek specs: 48fdab6 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
14:31 dalek specs: Wave some hands about the installation process
14:31 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/48fdab653f
14:33 timotimo i may build a TermInfo module for Perl 6.
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14:35 timotimo cool. someone went ahead and built a curses-independent lightweight threadsafe terminfo parsing library
14:39 * moritz notices that his motivation for hacking after $dayjob are at an all-time low
14:42 nwc10 moritz: is this due to factors outside of your control?
14:44 dalek specs: 37bf0dc | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S (2 files):
14:44 dalek specs: Move CompUnitRepo API description from S11 to S22
14:44 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/37bf0dcd72
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14:51 moritz nwc10: well, having a programming job is kinda under my control :-)
14:51 moritz other factors (family needing much attention, sleep deficit) are less und my control
14:53 FROGGS moritz: would something extra -Ofun help?
16:06 lizmat S17-async are dead tests...  I think they can go
16:06 lizmat I'll git rm them, ok?
16:06 timotimo git rm is undoable, so yeah. go ahead :)
16:06 jnthn +1
16:09 dalek roast: 1f9a555 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S17-async/ (3 files):
16:09 dalek roast: Nuke obsolete S17 tests, spotted by timotimo++
16:09 dalek roast: review: https://github.com/perl6/roast/commit/1f9a55596e
16:09 jnthn timotimo: Potentially "all of it" - my main concern is not really about the arity dispatcher *per se*, it's that the type-based stuff that will go on top of it will be needing to know about Rakudo types.
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16:11 timotimo aye, but why wouldn't parts of it remain in nqp itself?
16:11 timotimo as in, parts of the whole thing

Results for 2014-03-15

11:50 camelia rakudo-parrot a2db06: OUTPUT«This type cannot unbox to a native integer␤  in method new at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:5168␤  in method new at gen/parrot/CORE.setting:5158␤  in any  at gen/parrot/Metamodel.nqp:1481␤  in block  at /tmp/96yeoY8J4d:1␤␤»
11:50 timotimo oh, that's not a moar-only bug then
11:50 timotimo http://rosettacode.org/wiki​/Colour_bars/Display#Perl_6 ← talking about this
11:50 jnthn arnsholt: I forgot to pull the nativecall repo. It works \o/
11:57 dalek zavolaj: 115d5ce | jnthn++ | t/01-argless.c:
11:57 dalek zavolaj: Emit missing newline after a test.
11:57 dalek zavolaj: review: https://github.com/jnthn/zavolaj/commit/115d5ce799
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12:39 dalek panda/depends: 8346347 | (Tobias Leich)++ | lib/Panda/ (2 files):
12:39 dalek panda/depends: switch to META6.json, and fix depends/provides
12:39 dalek panda/depends: review: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/commit/834634795b
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12:49 dalek specs: f901166 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format (2 files):
12:49 dalek specs: We want to keep S22 in its 5 year old incarnation around for now
12:49 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/f901166125
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13:37 masak timotimo: I think you're expecting too much flattening from Perl 6's signatures.
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15:37 dalek specs: 3d55709 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S (2 files):
15:37 dalek specs: Restart S22, move appropriate stuff in from S11
15:37 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/3d55709fc3
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15:51 masak jnthn: I'd like to hear more about category theory...
15:51 masak :P
15:57 jnthn masak: I wsa hoping folks would pick topics I knew about :P
15:58 masak jnthn: just introduce yourself as a co-expert on category theory! :P
15:58 jnthn :D
15:58 * masak .oO( In Soviet Russia, category theory reverses YOU! )
15:59 dalek specs: cc3524b | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
15:59 dalek specs: Tweaks, make examples more in line with each other
15:59 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/cc3524bea1
16:00 * lizmat hopes that TimToady and masak have time to look at the new S22 spec
16:01 lizmat (or anybody else, really, specifically people with packaging backgrounds)
16:01 lizmat to make sure that I'm on the right track
16:01 jnthn .oO( In Putin theory, YOU reverse to Soviet Russia... )
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16:14 masak sounds a bit redundant.
16:15 TimToady you can say that again
16:17 * jnthn is very confused
16:17 dalek specs: c7aab52 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
16:17 dalek specs: Add optional "authors" tag to META6.json
16:17 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/c7aab52b47
16:19 sjn lizmat: http://pad.hackeriet.no/p/p6-deploy
16:19 dalek star/tristar: 31977c5 | Jonathan++ | Configure.pl:
16:19 dalek star/tristar: Add --gen-moar option to Configure.pl.
16:19 dalek star/tristar: review: https://github.com/rakudo/star/commit/31977c5ae3
16:33 TimToady yes, but it blue op if I tried to simplify it
16:34 TimToady so obviously my mental model was wrong sumhau
16:34 jnthn hm, odd
16:35 TimToady there's some "Oh obviously you have to change that X to a Y in that case" that I'm not cognizent of yet
16:35 dalek specs: e9913fd | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
16:35 dalek specs: Introduce "license" tag in META6.json
16:35 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/e9913fdf37
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16:37 jnthn I'm also not entirely sure how to try out the Star module build without having releases cut, which is a pain in so far as I wanted to fix blockers...
16:40 pmurias masak: looking at the ember website aren't they more ruby on rails then python?
16:56 jnthn japhb__: Though I probably could now.
16:56 jnthn japhb__: Given I fixed the pre-comp thingy...
16:57 japhb__ jnthn: Ah, very good.
16:58 jnthn Lemme do it now...
16:59 dalek specs: c7c81c9 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | S22-package-format.pod:
16:59 dalek specs: Elaborate in "support" tag in META6.json
16:59 dalek specs: review: https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/c7c81c97ed
16:59 * TimToady thinks Buf.new should be flattening its args like any self-respecting slurpy
16:59 TimToady it's a naturally flat structure
17:04 * TimToady has been watching too much anime lately, and thinks the N in N'th is crying because of the spurious apostrophe
17:06 dalek nqp: d5ec544 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | README.pod:
17:06 dalek nqp: Mention --gen-moar as a parameter
17:06 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/d5ec544aa9
17:06 dalek nqp: 04ffa12 | (Elizabeth Mattijsen)++ | README.pod:
17:06 dalek nqp: Change copyright to 2014
17:06 dalek nqp: review: https://github.com/perl6/nqp/commit/04ffa122be
17:06 japhb__ TimToady: Or maybe just embarrassed?
17:07 TimToady it's embarrassin', I'm opinin'
17:10 dalek nqp: 83c0d27 | jnthn++ | tools/build/MOAR_REVISION:
17:10 dalek nqp: Bump MOAR_REVISION for native call support.

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