Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #perl6book, 2009-12-18

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14:18 dalek book: 680b5b8 | duff++ | docs/announce/2009-11:
14:18 dalek book: belated checkin of Nov release announcements
14:18 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/680b5b89cd66338b69c6df96c5e140e510a54993
14:18 dalek book: a6ee18a | duff++ | src/preface.pod:
14:18 dalek book: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:perl6/book
14:18 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/a6ee18ac0f070d7b595ac8784311106ab62ce7f6
14:30 dalek book: c40a1dd | masak++ | docs/release-guide.pod:
14:30 dalek book: [docs/release-guide.pod] instructions to push announcement
14:30 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/c40a1ddf95b7f0c7c158b762abac59208ad7ef2d
14:42 dalek book: 69a026a | masak++ | docs/announce/2009-12:
14:42 dalek book: [docs/announce/2009-12] created announcement
14:42 dalek book: review: http://github.com/perl6/book/commit/69a026aa8f8eb46708398e4dc1efa807c3ad3b20
14:42 masak 'ppreciate it if someone would take a look at the announcement: http://github.com/perl6/book/blob/69a026aa8f8eb46708398e4dc1efa807c3ad3b20/docs/announce/2009-12
14:42 masak I haven't built the PDF yet, but I will now.
14:46 jnthn masak: Looks fine to me. :-)
14:46 masak \o/
14:59 masak having build problems :(
14:59 masak http://gist.github.com/259538
15:00 moritz_ masak: works here
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15:00 moritz_ masak: is book.tex created?
15:00 * masak looks
15:01 moritz_ in build/
15:01 masak yes, but it was empty.
15:01 moritz_ oh
15:01 masak I removed it, now I get another error.
15:01 moritz_ it shouldn't be
15:01 masak hm.
15:01 masak it still doesn't find Pod::PseudoPod::LaTeX.
15:02 masak ah. fixed. much better now.
15:08 masak I think I just encountered the strangest bug of 2009.
15:09 masak when uploading the file to github, I found I couldn't type lower-case 's' in the 'Description' text box.
15:09 masak every time I did, focus jumped to the Search Box on github.
15:09 masak in the end, I had to paste an 's' through the context menu.
15:13 masak hm. I don't think I have a rakudo.org account, after all.
15:13 masak should I try to get one, or should I delegate the posting?
15:13 moritz_ how did you post the release announcement for the rakudo release?
15:13 masak everything's set now; only the posting remains.
15:14 moritz_ anyway, I can post it for you if you don't have permission
15:15 masak danke.
15:16 masak moritz_: I didn't. jnthn did.
15:16 masak my computer had just run out of battery at that point.
15:17 moritz_ http://rakudo.org/node/62
15:17 moritz_ there you go
15:23 masak thanks!
15:24 masak moritz_++
15:25 moritz_ masak++ for doing the release
18:33 moritz_ up for some discussion?
18:35 jnthn I sorta need to run to the shop, but will be back in 15-20...
18:35 jnthn Or if it's quick discussion can do now before I go
18:36 jnthn moritz_: book planning, I'm guessing?
18:37 moritz_ yes
18:37 moritz_ about the description of builtins
18:37 moritz_ should it go into the first chapter? or be a chapter of its own?
18:42 jnthn Hmm. Is the intention to have a full list of the built-ins?
18:43 jnthn It feels more appendix-ish ot me.
18:43 jnthn *to me
18:44 jnthn As in, it's kinda referenece material-ish.
18:44 jnthn Rather than the style of the rest of the chapters.
18:45 jnthn brb, nomshop
19:03 moritz_ well
19:03 moritz_ I tried to re-read the first chapterl, and pretend that I have no knowledge of Perl 6
19:03 moritz_ and I found that I couldn't solve the excercises
19:04 moritz_ because it needs boolean negation, and that hasn't been introduced yet
19:04 moritz_ so I think we need to establish a base line
19:05 moritz_ not all builtins
19:05 moritz_ just the important ones
19:10 jnthn moritz_: Ah, OK, that's a fair point.
19:10 moritz_ so since it doesn't have a major example, maybe merge it into the first chapter?
19:10 moritz_ but it doesn't fit well from the flow of things
19:11 jnthn Yeah
19:11 jnthn And if the first chapter doesn't flow nicely, it's hardly good for drawing folks into the rest of the book.
19:21 moritz_ so, how do we solve this?
19:28 jnthn Could we have exercises that don't rely on built-ins that weren't covered? Or maybe in the question say in parens like (You can use the X built-in to Y)
19:28 jnthn as a hint
19:29 moritz_ well, since we cover nearly no builtins in chapter one, the first alternative is kinda hard
19:29 moritz_ and even if we introduce some to make the questions work, that's still not enough to enable people to write code on their own
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19:41 jnthn ah, true
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