Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #phasers, 2010-11-23

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10:31 sorear pre-posting report in case I oversleep
10:31 sorear done:
10:32 sorear * been hacking on niecza, centered mainly on STD.pm6 support
10:32 sorear * the context optimizations I talked about earlier are finally here; basic $i++ and $i == 1000000 operations are much faster
10:34 sorear * have a very cute implementation of contextuals
10:34 sorear * started parsing spectests on niecza-compiled-STD; up to 80ish percent
10:35 sorear * reverted a sanity check - %foo<x> = (%foo<x> = 5) is now allowed, despite being semantically dubious.  Needs discussion
10:35 sorear * current build of STD: http://feather.perl6.nl/~sorear/v6demo-20101124.zip
10:35 sorear s/contextuals/categoricals/
10:36 sorear * written some more docs and LHF file stuff
10:36 sorear hope to do:
10:36 sorear * a proper first release, since it's running nontrivial code
10:37 sorear * steal tuits away from Rakudo and 6model ;-)
10:37 sorear * talk on p6c
10:37 sorear * come up with a solution to the eval/bootstrapping problem described in DIRECTIONS
10:38 sorear blockers:
10:38 sorear * none anticipated
10:38 sorear use MONKEY_TYPING; augment done:
10:39 sorear * dalek improvements - implemented a push mode which I'd like to get everybody using
10:39 sorear EOR
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18:53 takadonet lunch time cya
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19:00 colomon o/
19:00 mberends \o
19:01 jnthn o/
19:01 pmichaud o/
19:02 colomon pmichaud!!
19:02 colomon \o/
19:02 jnthn yay pmichaud!
19:02 pmichaud anything I should be wary of or know about before cutting a star release?
19:03 pmichaud I know I've been... absent lately.  On the plus side, I'm finally making good progress on $otherjob :-)
19:03 jnthn pmichaud: I guess you know Parrot moved to git? :)
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19:03 pmichaud yes, I followed that much :-)
19:04 jnthn OK :-)
19:04 pmichaud +1 to the folks who updated the build scripts :-)
19:06 moritz_ \o
19:06 moritz_ that would have been me, mostly
19:07 jnthn moritz_++
19:07 moritz_ I plan to move a bit more logic from Configure.pl and gen_parrot.pl to the comparison module
19:07 moritz_ but ENOTIMEYET
19:07 pmichaud wfm
19:07 pmichaud although I'm "back" for a bit, we're heading out on 4-5 day holiday
19:07 pmichaud I'll have some connectivity but will likely be busy until Sat
19:08 moritz_ what would you think about not announcing a star release for next month?
19:09 moritz_ it seems to me that currently we don't have so much news that it's really worth a monthly release cycle
19:09 * moritz_ would propose to go with 2011-01 or 2011-02 next
19:09 sorear hi
19:09 pmichaud well, 2011-01, likely, to follow on the parrot supported release
19:10 moritz_ +1 to that
19:10 jnthn +1 from me too
19:10 colomon +1
19:11 pmichaud atm, I'm inclined to go ahead and stick with monthly for 2010-12 and 2011-01
19:11 pmichaud after 2011-01, if we're still in a mode of "not much happening between months" then I suggest we go to 3-monthly
19:12 pmichaud I'm personally hoping that I'll have a very productive december.
19:12 pmichaud esp since I've gotten a lot of $otherjob out of the way
19:12 * jnthn really needs to motivate himself to work on nqp-rx and then Rakudo a bit more too
19:12 moritz_ pmichaud: IMHO it's also time to start writing release manager notes for star
19:13 pmichaud moritz_: agreed
19:13 pmichaud so, my goal is going to be to delegate the -12 and/or the -01 releases
19:17 colomon +1
19:17 jnthn pmichaud: Any sense what you intend to produce in a potentially productive December? :)
19:18 jnthn *sense of
19:19 pmichaud bug fixes, speed improvements, nqp-rx code migration
19:20 pmichaud finish up the lists grant
19:20 pmichaud get back to work on p6 module management
19:20 jnthn Sounds good
19:20 jnthn Yes, help on the nqp-rx code mig would be great :)
19:20 pmichaud that should be a busy enough december, if I manage to do all of that :-)
19:24 sorear module management sounds neat.  can you elaborate?
19:25 pmichaud I'm still behind on consulting with p5 folks about what they think we need to do/avoid
19:26 pmichaud so, after the holiday I'll (re)start that effort too
19:30 jnthn pmichaud: diakopter++ has dug into PAST::Regex-y bits :)
19:30 pmichaud jnthn: excellent -- I did see his email message
19:30 jnthn (For NQP.Net)
19:31 pmichaud if there's a leg of the trip where I'm not driving tonight I expect to catch up on email
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19:31 jnthn pmichaud: Quite nice to see a good chunk of Cursor in NQP :)
19:31 pmichaud I bet
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19:31 pmichaud I'm eager to see a lot more of nqp in nqp :)
19:32 jnthn :)
19:33 pmichaud wow, it's quite a while until the next star release (Dec 28)
19:34 jnthn EAFTERCHRISTMAS
19:34 takadonet pmichaud: pmichaud!!!!
19:34 pmichaud yes, I was curious where releases would fall w.r.t. xmas :)
19:36 PerlJam greetings!
19:37 PerlJam pmichaud: are you on irc.perl.org:#toolchain?
19:37 pmichaud PerlJam: no.
19:37 PerlJam (I'm not 100% certain of the name)
19:37 pmichaud I'll eventually get there, but I fear bikesheds if I introduce the subject there.
19:38 pmichaud (based on past experience in various other forums)
19:39 PerlJam perhaps hanging out on #p5p and #toolchain (without necessarily engaging in p6-related conversation) might prove useful to gauge their receptiveness
19:39 pmichaud yeah, that's not a bad idea
19:39 PerlJam I'm on #p5p and p6-ish talk does occasionally crop up
19:48 sorear #toolchain is a very pragmatic technical forum... any bikeshedding there will be between people who know what they're talking about
19:51 pmichaud the challenge tends to be the (unstated) assumptions, though.
19:52 pmichaud and the unrecognized cultural traditions
19:53 pmichaud there's a lot of culture that has built up around the traditional cpan, which in some ways isn't compatible with the perl 6 way of doing things
19:53 pmichaud (or isn't seamlessly compatible...)
20:14 Util (Late report) No Perl 6 work this past week; none expected until I am done remodeling Parrot's pbc_to_exe.
20:14 Util EOR
20:20 TimToady I guess I shouldn't say something interesting in #perl6 while #phasers is going on... :)
20:21 pmichaud TimToady: I think we're all hopeful you'll say something interesting anytime you have something interesting to say :)
20:21 pmichaud I have to go pack for travels
20:44 colomon Util: yours was actually the only report, so far as I know.  Guess pmichaud++ sort of reported as well
20:45 jnthn sorear++ preported
20:45 jnthn I didn't get much done in the last week, mostly just bug fixing
20:46 colomon I got @a[*-3 .. *-1] working
20:46 sorear (and no-one commented!)
20:47 colomon sorear: I didn't know about it until 1 min ago.
20:47 colomon proper release++!!!!!
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21:03 Util colomon++ # I was going to use that on RosettaCode recently, but it did not work then.

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