Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #phasers, 2011-04-19

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16:42 moritz pre-report: thought about and discussed new error spec
16:43 moritz conclusion: error classification will be made by mixing roles into... things (either other roles or classes)
16:43 moritz EOR
16:48 sorear all I did this week was to make niecza properly parse m:g// and friends
16:49 sorear mberends++ and pmurias++ have done much more
16:49 mberends you're too kind
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16:53 sorear blockers: $distracted
16:55 tadzik that must be a global variable
16:58 jnthn So we'll all potentially become less distracted at the same time? :)
16:59 tadzik so THAT's what coding together is for
16:59 tadzik $distraction doesn't attack the herds
17:12 sorear well, except when there's more than one herd
17:12 tadzik oh yeah
17:12 tadzik then the distraction is distributed
17:13 sorear I am currently distracted from #perl6 into a different herd
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18:14 Util Pre-report: Still distracted by hardware; will be late for #phasers. EOR
18:40 pmichaud report:  There's a good chance I'll have tuits over the next couple of days; if there are any specific things I should hack on, let me know.   (Esp. w/nqp)
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19:01 masak o/
19:01 mberends o/
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19:01 jnthn o/
19:02 isBEKaml o/
19:02 moritz /o
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19:03 tadzik o^
19:03 jnthn aww
19:03 * masak hugs tadzik
19:04 * moritz backlos
19:04 * moritz finishes backlogging
19:04 * jnthn sees preports by sorear++ and moritz++
19:04 masak my report: held a class on Friday. not entirely Perl 6-related, but could be in the future. attendance far beyond expectations. in the weekend, been working on a new, better Indexing::Multidim. progress is very promising. still haven't forgotten about the Web.pm grant. will act on it. eor.
19:05 jnthn here's mine
19:05 jnthn Over the last week...
19:05 jnthn * More little bits of progress with NQP with regard to package handling
19:05 jnthn * Started getting some more 6model documentation done; will get it up somewhere soon
19:05 jnthn Good news: my tuit situation is improving! Will get to have whole days for Perl 6 again \o/
19:05 jnthn Major goals:
19:05 jnthn * Finish the package refactor
19:05 jnthn * Complete the compile time meta-object branch
19:05 jnthn * Do the plumbing to have natively typed attributes in NQP
19:05 jnthn * Do the plumbing to have the nqp::foo abstractions
19:05 jnthn * Start to bring all this goodness to rakudo/nom
19:05 jnthn I expect to make a serious dent in this work over the coming week.
19:05 jnthn EOR
19:06 tadzik what's a "serious dent"?
19:06 jnthn | <- undented
19:06 jnthn ( <- slightly dented
19:06 jnthn < <- seriously dented
19:06 masak :)
19:06 isBEKaml deflate the ego of "unfinished taskers"
19:06 tadzik oic :)
19:07 jnthn tadzik: I mean, get a significant amount of stuff done.
19:07 isBEKaml so unfinished tasks get a "reality check" themselves!
19:07 * tadzik suddenly became more afraid of dentists
19:08 masak tadzik: dentists take dents out, they don't put serious ones in :P
19:08 * masak gets more serious
19:08 isBEKaml dentists fill dents.
19:08 isBEKaml :P
19:09 tadzik I accidentally incremented $distraction
19:09 jnthn Anyone else have a report? :)
19:09 tadzik . o O ( acciDENTally ). Damnit!
19:09 * masak .oO( incre-dent )
19:09 tadzik yeah, I have one
19:10 tadzik so, I merged the new ecosystem into the old one, moved modules.perl6.org to the new one, introduced a new badge for the panda-and-the-newest-specs compatibility
19:11 tadzik also wrote an announcement for perl6-users and blag that too, so that mberends can read it too :)
19:12 mberends :)
19:12 masak tadzik++
19:12 mberends aye, tadzik++
19:12 jnthn tadzik++ # ecosystem hacking
19:12 tadzik I think I should clear out to which file and how should the modules be added, to avoid confusion
19:12 isBEKaml (everyone)++
19:13 tadzik hmm. I also introduced flussence++'s Str.indent into Rakudo core, and made him add the spectests for that. It passes, so we have something to show off in hte Changelog :)
19:13 masak \o/
19:13 masak and phew!
19:14 masak flussence++
19:14 jnthn Indeed
19:14 tadzik possible plans: thinkabout wrapping Select PMC so we can have some sort of async IO in Rakudo
19:15 tadzik blockers: mips assembly, Java, stupid exams and labolatories, and this week's star: the b0rked arm!
19:15 tadzik that'd be it methinks
19:15 tadzik EOR
19:16 mberends ++tadzik++
19:17 mberends tadzik: I haz some draft ideas about a select() implementation to feed into your PMC design, I'll get them to you later.
19:18 tadzik cool, that'd be valuable, for I don't really have an idea of what do I want to do :)
19:18 tadzik mberends++
19:18 sorear btw, I'm here today
19:19 sorear if anyone wants to talk ..
19:19 masak sorear: anything to report?
19:20 sorear masak: No, I've been distracted
19:20 masak ok.
19:21 masak and not by dents, I suppose.
19:22 mberends The results of the p6cc on Niecza are in: 21 scripts, 19 crashes, 2 runs with wrong results. Details to follow in a blog post.
19:22 tadzik where does your blog live?
19:23 masak mberends: oh wow! mberends++!
19:24 masak I presume "crashes" are not as bad as it sounds.
19:24 mberends somewhere in blogs.perl.org, not sure exactly, will see after it's posted.
19:24 masak just that Niecza isn't there yet.
19:24 masak but the wrong results sound highly interesting.
19:24 mberends about half the crashes are Parse errors, meaning viv gave up.
19:24 masak interesting.
19:25 mberends the other half are various CLR exceptions
19:25 * masak really looks forward to the blog post
19:26 mberends so that's my .eor
19:27 * moritz too
19:27 mberends I hope the p6cc entries can be patched (by the original contestants or others) to run on Niecza.
19:28 masak mberends: maybe make it a collaborative effort somewhere?
19:28 mberends hmm, nice idea.
19:28 masak mberends: I'd probably want to chip in. not sure I'd like to do all the work myself, but a part of it, sure.
19:28 mberends :)
19:28 moritz mberends: throw them all into perl6-examples
19:28 masak something like that.
19:29 mberends yes, ok
19:29 masak and discussion could take place in the Niecza github issue queue, or on #perl6 :)
19:30 sorear mberends: nitpick: niecza doesn't use viv anymore
19:30 sorear niecza has its own instance of STD
19:31 sorear github issue queue is probably better
19:31 tadzik who's the release manager this month? Rakudo I mean
19:32 mberends sorear: thanks, I should have remembered that
19:41 jnthn sorry, back, family phone call...
19:42 moritz tadzik: PerlJam++ does the release
19:43 jnthn pmichaud: If you want to work on something in NQP, the nqp::foo abstraction layer - or working out how to factor it - is a nice, isolated piece that needs doing.
20:02 PerlJam blah.  Did I miss #phasers?
20:03 tadzik seems so
20:03 PerlJam obiwan error on my hours today.
20:03 tadzik PerlJam: could you make sure flussence is listed as one of the contributors to the thursday's release?
20:03 tadzik obiwan error?
20:03 isBEKaml star wars. :)
20:03 isBEKaml obi wan kenobi
20:03 PerlJam http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/O/obi-wan-error.html
20:04 PerlJam tadzik: aye.
20:05 tadzik oh, I know starwars, I just didn't know the error
20:06 * tadzik sees no connection
20:06 masak tadzik: sound similarity.
20:06 PerlJam off-by-one is phonetically similar to obiwan
20:06 masak "off-by-one" -- "obi-wan"
20:06 masak I agree it's a bit of a weak connection.
20:07 PerlJam it's funny that the jargon file entry doesn't have a link to fence post errors.
20:07 PerlJam oh, you have to pass through "off-by-one-error" to get there
20:09 PerlJam aaaaannnnnd  I've got a meeting to attend.
20:09 * PerlJam wanders off
20:11 TimToady may the farce be with you
20:12 isBEKaml May the fjords be with you!
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