Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #pr-challenge, 2015-01-14

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00:00 jrhunt do they go back into general circulation for the next month?
00:00 Su-Shee *hihi*
00:00 Su-Shee good question, there may be a lot of them just hanging with pull requests around for some time..
00:02 jrhunt if so, i would submit that Crypt::OpenSSL::X509 *not* go back into the pool
00:02 jrhunt its down to three issues that are very platform specific, it's docs are usable and well-written
00:03 jrhunt in short: not much to be done
00:03 jrhunt (in fact, it will probably cause me to fail the challenge for Jan)
00:03 Su-Shee mine shouldn't either, it has only one bug for a good reason which isn't relevant though and other than that it seems to be mostly "done"
00:04 thrig stick a fork in it. no, wait.
00:04 haarg afaik the current plans are that currently assigned dists won't be reassigned in later months
00:04 jrhunt how many dists does neilb have lined up?
00:04 jrhunt 350 participants, 12 months...
00:05 Su-Shee I'm pretty sure we're not running out of things to do..
00:05 Su-Shee that'll be the day..
00:05 Su-Shee "hello internet. perl is done. everything. all bugs fixed. nothing left."
00:05 neilb There are 9194 CPAN dists with a github repo. We won’t run out.
00:06 Su-Shee neilb: WELL. that's barely three years! ;)
00:06 jrhunt and all of those are candidates for the challenge?
00:06 thrig people keep making more, too
00:06 jrhunt enough issues, bugs, etc.?
00:06 neilb thrig: fizackly!
00:06 jrhunt plus usage?
00:07 jrhunt i mean, i have *lots* of github repos, but most of them just aren't high profile enough
00:08 neilb they’re all candidates, but I’m scoring them for appropriateness, based on “used by other dists”, “has outstanding bugs”, etc
00:08 Su-Shee jrhunt: I don't think "profile" was a criterion...
00:08 thrig and !Music::* crap
00:08 jrhunt i just worry that people are getting modules they have never used, and never will use.
00:09 jrhunt which makes it really hard to get excited about contributing
00:10 Su-Shee jrhunt: I totally hated mine :) I don't mind. it's part of the challenge.
00:10 Su-Shee jrhunt: just fucking do it.
00:10 haarg the module i got i have never used and most likely won't ever use, but i don't mind
00:11 jrhunt what kinds of changes did you make in your PRs?
00:11 haarg i regularly contribute to other modules though, so i guess i'm more used to the process, and have an easier time seeing small improvements that can be made
00:11 Su-Shee jrhunt: fixed bug, fixed some links in POD, and a typo
00:11 haarg the pr i submitted was mainly metadata/Makefile.PL cleanup
00:12 haarg and i filed an issue pointing the author to HANDOFF since he isn't doing perl anymore
00:13 jrhunt is it too late to ask for another dist then?
00:17 haarg fwiw i can reproduce the utf8 test failure
00:23 neilb jrhunt: you have mail
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00:32 neilb list of assignments for January: http://rawgit.com/CPAN-PRC/resources/master/january.html
00:33 sawyer neilb++
00:35 dams sawyer: hey
00:37 neilb dams: had an update on MAKAMAKA. Ishigaki-san is going to see him this friday, and will discuss the challenge with him.
00:38 sawyer dams: o/
00:38 sawyer ishigaki-san++
00:38 sawyer dude is awesome
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01:31 linuxgeek96 Hey all, my assigned module was SQL::SplitStatement which already seems to do an excellent job, with tests, docs, and nothing left on RT. Any suggestions?
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01:48 bambams Nobody is frist on the mailing list yet?
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05:54 bambams Uh oh. Looks like my module maintainer is opposed to an HTML parser for performance reasons.
05:55 bambams But he suggested me submitting a test case that breaks the regex... He's not going to like me.
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06:05 haarg it will munge a tag like <format> when it shouldn't
06:06 haarg and will also munge non-html
06:09 haarg and > is valid inside quoted attribute values without escaping, so it will detect the end of the tag prematurely
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06:17 haarg also fun things like script tags, which could contain code that looks like <form
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08:23 ivanwills \bye
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08:57 dolmen jrhunt, what makes the challenge interesting even for seasoned CPAN gardener like me is that you get assigned a random dist
08:58 dolmen jrhunt, you're pushed to discover some parts of the CPAN you never touched
08:58 dolmen I've been assigned POE::Component::EasyDBI
08:59 dolmen I only used POE 5 years ago and I don't regret it now that I'm in love with AnyEvent
08:59 dolmen I almost never used DBI
09:00 dolmen 2 reasons that make this dist totally uninteresting for myself
09:00 dolmen But the first PR I submitted was to improve the repo to help future contributors to make interesting contributions
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09:02 dolmen jrhunt, You have *a whole month* to find interesting to do on that dist
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09:18 pink_mist sawyer: no longer oping people?
09:18 pink_mist good morning all
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09:21 BooK when you're lucky, there's an open issue to look at
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09:37 Su-Shee I agree with dolmen. I hate my module and that's good. :)
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09:46 ptc pink_mist: it could be his irssi script isn't running anymore
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09:48 jkg I think sue offered to bring london.pm's opbot, slavorg, in here -- would that be a more reliable thing than slavorg's irssi script? :)
09:48 * jkg stops at people he recognises...
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09:58 BooK someone was given one of my modules. I said I'd get back to them and didn't. Bad me.
10:04 jkg BooK: how dare you as a volunteer not promptly find time for ... oh wait yeah :)
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10:07 BooK jkg: at least I feel somewhat guilty
10:07 BooK and there
10:07 BooK 's plenty of time left!
10:07 jkg yep, we're not even halfway through the month :)
10:08 Su-Shee thank god, of course I added basically all important todos into THIS month..
10:08 Su-Shee happy when it's february.
10:08 BooK february is going to be the hardest, having only 28 days
10:09 Su-Shee yes, but then I don't have to prepare to attend a zeromq master class, deliver something for work, write an article about postgres 9.4 AND finish my cpanpr challenge.
10:10 * BooK longs for the French Revolutionary calendar, with 12 months of 30 days
10:10 BooK because no month is special
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10:10 Su-Shee mr shee yesterday requested a 28 hour day again..
10:11 Su-Shee I would already be happy with ending stupid DST
10:11 jkg http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/birthdaycal.html # the calendar we need.
10:11 Su-Shee jkg: "no."
10:12 jkg :)
10:12 jkg but it has a day called Gorgonzoladay, what's not to like?
10:13 Su-Shee jkg: that there is no parmigiano day and no old gouda day and .
10:13 Su-Shee ..
10:13 jkg there's a Gouday.
10:14 BooK "We observed immediately that 364 is evenly divisible by 13; it hence seems most straightforward to divide the year into 13 months - four of 29 days, four of 27, and five of 28." -- wait, wha
10:14 Su-Shee which reminds me that I could also maybe learn some dutch..
10:15 BooK at least, the pataphysical calendar has 13 months of 28 days
10:19 BooK I think each day should be dedicated to a different cheese
10:20 BooK and leap day should be no-cheese day, once every four year is probably enough
10:21 jkg I think I'd need a day off from cheese more often than that :-)
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10:23 BooK there should be an all-cheese day and a any-cheese day and all-you-can-eat-cheese day too
10:24 Su-Shee I never need a day off from cheese.
10:24 Su-Shee that would be like a day off from coffee. makes no sense at all.
10:24 jkg oh, the day of headaches, as I call it.
10:25 Su-Shee I think I'm not drinking enough coffee for that..
10:26 dolmen BooK: January had less day than February for people that got their challenge only on the 5th
10:26 dolmen s/that/who/
10:26 jkg well, they should have signed up during christmas ;-)
10:28 Su-Shee I would say it's _perfectly_ fine to just do your basic duty on a module and do more work when you have more time or if it's something you really care for.
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10:48 neilb one guy was feeling down, because his dist had had an outstanding PR since Sept last year, so not expecting his PR to be done. Now his PR has been merged along with the previous one, and a release done. Result!
10:50 Su-Shee nice :) somebody's hopefully happy now :)
10:54 neilb I’ve got data for the number of RT bugs outstanding, every day for the last couple of years. It’s basically a slowly increasing line. I’m *really* hoping we might see a noticeable drop as the result of PRC fixes.
10:54 * neilb is a hopeless optimist
10:55 ptc neilb: I hope so too :-)
10:56 ptc neilb: will you be publishing graphics of such data at some stage?
10:57 neilb ptc: depends if they look good ;-)
10:57 Su-Shee neilb: have any data on the I don't know 500 most used modules in terms of a) download and b) dependent on?
10:57 Su-Shee haha :)
10:57 Su-Shee dependend? no that looks wrong too
10:57 neilb dependency stuff yes, my DB has the full dependency graph
10:57 neilb downloads data isn’t available
10:58 Su-Shee neilb: I wonder how much things would improve if being focused on the important stuff for a year..
10:58 Su-Shee neilb: like a challenge focused on the 100, 200 most important modules..
10:59 Su-Shee ok. maybe first actually survive the first year :)
10:59 reneeb Su-Shee: 200 modules for 350 participants?
10:59 BooK nice side benefit: all those boards about github activity might pick up some perl-related activity
11:00 reneeb maybe a weighted list of modules would be great
11:00 reneeb (even though I hope for more PRs for *my* modules ;-) )
11:00 Su-Shee reneeb: yes, make teams.
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11:01 reneeb Su-Shee: I would love to have virtual hackathons were teams from anywhere could meet online to work on an app or a module...
11:01 neilb reneeb: once I’ve tuned (ok, finished) the scoring of dists, I’ll publish a page with the scoring for all dists, so people can bitch about which ones are “wrong”, and then we tune the list together. Hopefully over time we’ll get the PR crew focussed on more “more valuable” dists. But breadth first isn’t bad either. Every dist has things that can be done.
11:01 Su-Shee reneeb: I'm thinking.. imagine I sit down with 5 others for a month and put in real effort into let's say improve documentation for an important module. another team works on bug fixes and so on.. next month you go for refactoring..
11:02 reneeb Su-Shee: that sounds good...
11:02 reneeb neilb++
11:03 Su-Shee reneeb: so after a year you'll have a nicely cleaned up corpus of base and important modules, maybe even rewrites where necessary.
11:03 ptc Su-Shee: like a month-long QA hackathon, or something like that?
11:03 Su-Shee ptc: in a way, yes.
11:03 Su-Shee ptc: I mean - what's really the difference to my challenge? I fix bugs, improve docs, clean up here and polish there..
11:04 Su-Shee but first let's get through this year :)
11:05 reneeb ;-)
11:05 Su-Shee but if it works well and it seems people are MORE than willing..
11:05 Su-Shee if someone just throws work at them..
11:05 reneeb neilb is really good in starting challenges...
11:06 neilb let’s wait and see how good people are at completing them, eh? >;-)
11:06 reneeb I like the cpan-regulars "challenge"
11:06 reneeb and this year it might be easy to get a release out every month
11:06 neilb I blew that one, got confused on what it was over the christmas break :-(
11:07 reneeb ... as long as one of your dists is selected in this PR challenge
11:07 neilb s/what it was/what day it was/
11:08 mvuets neilb: hi, you should announce a mailing list switch on googlegroups---some people don't participate, but are subscribers
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11:09 neilb ah, ok.
11:09 neilb thanjs mvuets
11:09 neilb (thanks Finnish for “thanks”, BTW)
11:10 mvuets i only hope it has nothing in common with javascript
11:11 * ptc starts the than.js project, just in case ;-)
11:11 reneeb ptc: it has the methods greater, less, longer?
11:11 mvuets ml to be update here too? https://github.com/CPAN-PRC/resources/blob/master/README.mkdn
11:11 ptc reneeb: yup :-)
11:14 mvuets neilb: lol (-:
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11:21 neilb mvuets++ mailing list updated there too
11:22 mvuets neilb: awesome, thanks!
11:23 Su-Shee neilb: did you tweet it as well?
11:23 neilb um, tweet what?
11:23 Su-Shee neilb: 'cause.. then we can all press the retweet button nice and easy..
11:23 Su-Shee neilb: mailing list change
11:23 neilb I figured that hitting all participants and current lists members is probably enough
11:24 Su-Shee neilb: well tweeting comes very cheap.. and is easy to spread.
11:27 neilb ok, ok. Sheesh! I’ll do that later.
11:28 Su-Shee :))
11:28 Su-Shee I'll retweet it. and nobody can say "but.. but.. I DIDN'T KNOW! NOBODY TOLD ME" :)
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11:56 ambs stupid question: how to write the past of ‘to hit’?
11:57 pink_mist hit / hit / hit
11:58 pink_mist I hit him, I'm going to hit him, I used to hit him, I have hit him repeatedly ... it's all just hit :P
11:59 ambs great. I though so, but not sure :-)
12:00 Su-Shee clearly, it's hitteted.
12:00 mvuets a witty trick is: when in doubt use "did <infinitive>", it changes semantics a bit though
12:01 ambs mvuets: :-)
12:01 ambs Su-Shee: also, if eat/ate… hit/ith
12:01 ambs O:-)
12:04 monsieurp hitated
12:32 monsieurp wtf. reading a shell script written by a bloke at work. in one his scripts, he does this: more $var | grep $anothervar | sed 's/foo/bar;' | sed 's/baz/qux/'
12:32 monsieurp why MORE
12:32 monsieurp more? why?
12:33 monsieurp cat -> useless but ok. fair enough.
12:33 monsieurp more- > ?!?
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12:45 dolmen neilb: too bad my github-keygen can't be part of the CPAN PR Challenge
12:46 dolmen https://github.com/dolmen/github-keygen/
12:46 dolmen my fault: it is not on CPAN
12:46 dolmen but it is Perl code and can be definitely useful to Github rookies
12:50 neilb dolmen: I did briefly wonder whether it should include non-CPAN perl github repos, but decided that would make things more complicated, and there’s plenty to do with CPAN. Why not put it on CPAN: App-github-keygen?
12:51 dolmen because this is mostly a one-shot tool: run it once and drop it
12:52 dolmen also because it is SSH related code: it is safer to download the code over SSH or HTTPS from Github than over HTTP/FTP from a random CPAN mirror
12:52 dolmen so this a case where a CPAN release would be a bad thing
12:54 * dolmen is modifying the wiki "My-first-Pull-Request" to add a link to github-keygen...
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12:59 dolmen monsieurp: neither more or cat (and even grep) are needed
13:00 monsieurp dolmen: I know
13:00 dolmen monsieurp, sed -n '/$anothervar/ { s/foo/bar/; s/baz/qux/; p }' $var
13:01 monsieurp p ?
13:01 dolmen print
13:01 dolmen because of -n
13:02 dolmen "sed -n '/xxx/p'" is mostly "grep xxx"
13:02 monsieurp oh okay
13:03 monsieurp I'd opt for a Perl one-liner
13:03 monsieurp it works too :)
13:07 dolmen neilb: feature request: in the challenge e-mail, add a direct link to the CONTRIBUTING{|.md|pod} file if one exists in the repo
13:07 dolmen (I just added a mention about CONTRIBUTING in the wiki)
13:09 neilb dolmen: added to my todo list, thanks. Hmm, should seeing that file give a +1 to the dist, when scoring for suitability for assignment…?
13:10 dolmen neilb, I don't think so, because a CONTRIBUTING file is mostly needed only when the process goes out of the standard way
13:10 jkg is +1 quite a small amount of +ness? I don't think its non-existence is indicative of much.
13:11 neilb right now it’s not v small, but as more things get added, maybe it might be worth a +1. Right now, agree, probably not
13:12 dolmen the authors that have a CONTRIBUTING on all their dists are ones that use a dzil plugin to make it and so that file is the same for all their dists. That would give them an unfair advantage :)
13:13 * dolmen is thinking about xdg that does this and that already has most of his dists in good place in neilb charts :)
13:15 mje dolmen, where are neilb's charts?
13:16 dolmen mje: not public AFAIK (in his head, on his hard disk?)
13:16 mje dolmen, ah, ok
13:18 neilb the scoring charts for dists will be made public ‘soon’
13:19 popl neilb: How big is your TODO list?
13:20 neilb popl: i don’t want to look :-)
13:20 popl :)
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13:22 popl I didn't know things are being scored.
13:23 jkg popl: I think it's just a similar set of metrics to the adoption list, but geared for "would benefit from some PRs" rather than "might need a maintainer"
13:23 dolmen http://neilb.org/adoption/
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13:27 popl oh
13:31 neilb popl: don’t worry, *you* aren’t being scored. jkg’s right: it’s an overlapping set of metrics with the adoption list, but growing the list of things that make a good candidate for PRC assignment
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13:33 popl I see.
13:33 popl That's useful.
13:38 nawglan anyone on familiar with xs?  If I have a SV*, do I need to take it through SvPV to get the value as a string?
13:40 nawglan eg: value = SvPV(SVstarvar, valueLength)  (wondering if there is something similiar without needing to capture the string length)
13:45 nawglan nevermind... found it.  SvPV_nolen
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14:12 ambs neilb++
14:48 daveh I'm off to the land of the clkao tomorrow. Should be able to stop prevaricating then.
14:55 popl It's a nasty habit.
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15:33 xdg dolmen, I don't generate my CONTRIBUTING with dzil -- or at least, I generate it once with a new distribution and I have some scripts I run periodically to fix it if it's out of date.
15:35 dolmen xdg, if your CONTRIBUTING is created in the repo by a minting profile from a template, this qualifies as "being generated by dzil"
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15:37 genehack what, he should be punished for being efficient? 8^p
15:38 ribasushi being efficient is just a part of it
15:38 ribasushi every time one types `dzil...` a unicorn-kitten dies
15:38 ribasushi scientifically proven fact ;)
15:39 xdg dolmen, it's a file, not part of a minting profile specificaly.
15:39 genehack ribasushi: i hate them unicorn kitty mofos
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15:39 genehack *types 'dzil' a whole bunch just because*
15:40 ribasushi genehack: JE SUIS UNICORN-KITTEN!!!
15:40 genehack ribasushi: closet furry, eh. i always suspected.
15:40 genehack (not that there's anything wrong with that.)
15:41 Su-Shee you're not supposed to keep furries in the closet, it's inhumane.
15:41 ribasushi <prrrrrrr>
15:41 rjbs When the last unikitty dies, my life's work will be complete.  My body will disolve and my robe will fall, empty, to the deck.
15:41 * Su-Shee passes some oats to ribasushi...
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15:51 BooK rjbs: but obi-wan didn't achieve anything! at least not seconds before disolving
15:51 rjbs He completed the circle!
15:52 BooK vader didn't even cut off his hand
15:52 BooK how is that circle of hands complete?
15:52 Su-Shee well. voldemort did dissolve as well and his robe fell...
15:52 BooK ah sorry, wrong canon
15:53 BooK didn't read harry potter. did they cut hands too, as part of the father-son bonding process?
15:53 rjbs https://app.liquidplanner.com/space/14822/projects/show/954544
15:53 rjbs oops
15:53 rjbs Well, I was going to link to Vader. But it's not worth it.
15:53 Su-Shee BooK: yes.
15:53 rjbs "You look just like your father, Harry.  But with your mother's eyes."  // "I have her hands, too.  They're in my backpack."
15:54 Su-Shee BooK: actually I enjoyed harry potter. nice and entertaining.
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16:04 ambs neilb++ # reading blog posts!
16:04 neilb ambs++ # writing blog post!
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18:21 lagrasta Well, I’ve submitted a PR on my assigned module (Flickr::API), but it was just a POD modification to add the license entry.
18:22 lagrasta At least it makes the license clearer and improves the kwalitee score.
18:22 ambs lagrasta: that is great. and who knows if you find another detail to suggest.
18:23 lagrasta If anyone is familiar with the module, I’d be open to suggestions. The author did not respond and some of my other ideas seemed a little … presumptiuous.
18:24 ambs :)
18:24 neilb lagrasta: you could do the less-contentious ideas in one branch+PR, then try the least contentious of your presumptious ideas in a different PR/branch
18:24 lagrasta subs without return and possibly replacing basic OO with Moo, but I’d rather have the author’s buy in first.
18:25 lagrasta Ah, yes. I even did my POD change in a branch hoping to make it as clean as possible.
18:25 Su-Shee lagrasta: did you also remember to look both in RT and Github issues for bugs?
18:25 Su-Shee lagrasta: my module had something here, and something else there..
18:25 lagrasta hmmm, RT? No, I’m new to that. I’ll go look.
18:26 ambs rt.cpan.org
18:26 neilb lagrasta: it’s got quite a few reds & ambers on CPANTS: http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/author/IAMCAL — you could try and get it green across the board :-)
18:26 Su-Shee Flickr::API or Flickr::API2?
18:27 lagrasta neilb: true. In fact, this challenge inspired me to figure out how to run the cpants stuff on local dists, which I’m very happy to know.
18:27 neilb lagrasta++
18:27 neilb that makes me happy too
18:27 lagrasta Su-Shee: Flickr::API
18:27 Su-Shee lagrasta: ok, doesn't seem to have issues :)
18:27 lagrasta Considering I just submitted my own first module, that is good knowledge to have.
18:29 Su-Shee lagrasta: that's what I found: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=41200
18:29 neilb If you’re using Dist::Zilla, some dude wrote a plugin so you can just run: dzil kwalitee
18:29 lagrasta Ah, I am.
18:29 pink_mist ... what /is/ kwalitee? I've never looked into what it means :P
18:30 lagrasta Oh, typos! I can do that. Thanks Su-Shee
18:30 lagrasta pink_mist: http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/kwalitee.html
18:31 lagrasta One more metric to help boost module quality and the odds of having it work right for you
18:31 Su-Shee lagrasta: :)
18:32 pink_mist lagrasta: thanks :P
18:36 Su-Shee oh god I have to decide on a module maker thingie now :(
18:37 * thrig chases a bug into LWP land
18:37 Su-Shee thrig: devious! nicely delegated! ;)
18:38 thrig https://github.com/pfig/net-amazon-s3/issues/12
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20:34 pjsg_ I actually use Flickr::API and had a patch of mine accepted years ago.
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