Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #pr-challenge, 2015-02-04

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00:08 ether neilb: you're specifying meta-spec v2, but your repository data is in 1.4 format
00:08 ether in your AppConfig release
00:08 ether oh wait I'm stoned
00:08 ether sorry :)
00:08 * ether misread a brace :D
00:08 ether you can call me a goldfish once more if you like.
00:09 neilb heh
00:09 neilb I’m really itching to do a bunch of stuff on AppConfig, but it got assigned this month, so leaving it be for now
00:11 ether :)
00:12 ether however you are setting dynamic_config => 1, when it should be 0
00:12 ether just add dynamic_config => 0 to your META_MERGE snippet that you use in all Makefile.PLs
00:13 * ether can always help out finding errors in META.* if someone hasn't found anything else to do for their PR :)
00:13 ether unless the dist was released in the last year, there's definitely something that can be fixed, guaranteed
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01:59 jamessan ether: how would one transition any Any::Moose module using Exporter::build_import_methods to Moo?
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09:52 BooK neilb: ok, I'm probably going to request a new dist
09:52 BooK want an email with details?
09:53 neilb AnyEvent-APNS not doing it for you?
09:54 BooK author not active for the past year, open PR with everything he requested not merged for more than a year, and the module is about "Apple". I don't have a single Apple product or credentials at hand.
09:54 BooK so no point in adopting the dist either :-)
09:54 neilb :-)
10:05 daveh make a hackintosh VM
10:05 daveh and how appley are the issues?
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10:07 fuzzix Have you ever used a Hackintosh VM? It's almost as bad as using an actual Mac.
10:07 fuzzix Zing.
10:08 daveh I think a few billion dollars beg to differ :)
10:09 neilb BooK: the point of adopting the dist might be to merge the existing PR, release an update with comments saying “you can adopt this module if you’re interested”
10:10 pink_mist could also assign it over to ADOPTME
10:10 fuzzix daveh: So... that means Windows is better yet? :)
10:11 daveh never
10:11 fuzzix Aww
10:12 fuzzix Dang, only cpantesters issues for my dist are MacOS too.
10:14 * neilb has a mac
10:15 fuzzix Can I borrow it? :)
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10:25 daveh and that was a MacOS OS update with only 1 reboot
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10:49 mishin I make pull request https://github.com/miyagawa/Tatsumaki/pull/24#issuecomment-72602146, but Miyagawa refuse it, is it done or not? for Neil
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11:06 Su-Shee it's done.
11:06 Su-Shee you can't make somebody take your pull request :)
11:12 daveh mishin: did he give a reason? Miyagawa is one of the perl gods :)
11:13 vti daveh: if you just looked at the link... :)
11:14 mishin #Su-Shee: thanks, but also I kwnown that I can write make file more easy https://github.com/miyagawa/Tatsumaki/blob/master/Makefile.PL compare with mine https://metacpan.org/source/MISHIN/POD2-RU-5.18.0.1.14/Makefile.PL
11:14 Su-Shee mishin: well if miyagawa doesn't want to merge your pull request, he doesn't. you can't make him.
11:15 daveh and he's quite right
11:15 mishin 2daven: yes, I could't find from Miyagawa any errors at all;))
11:15 mishin well, well
11:16 Su-Shee mishin: after reading it: yes, miyagawa is right, I wouldn't merge it either.
11:16 daveh but you learned stuff, right?
11:17 Su-Shee mishin: also, there are two open issues?
11:18 Su-Shee plus another three in RT.
11:19 neilb mishin: and you could ask him what he’d like you to do to help with the dist
11:20 daveh any cpantesters fails?
11:20 Su-Shee daveh: that's most of the issues/rt I'm seeing, some failing tests here and there, older stuff and newer stuff. looks like poking work to me. :)
11:21 daveh recreating obsxcure perl releases can be rewarding :)
11:22 daveh i'm kinda wondering if a Jenkins with a brew of everything is worthwhile
11:22 daveh if there are tester fails
11:23 neilb Su-Shee: that “lazy bastard” tweet nearly caused coffee all over my keyboard!
11:24 Su-Shee neilb: oh, I'm sorry, is my cat too cute? :)
11:26 mishin daveh: yes, I learned stuff
11:26 daveh then that's a win
11:40 daveh neilb: is there anywhere to get download stats?
11:40 neilb # downloads of CPAN dists you mean?
11:40 daveh yarp
11:41 haarg nope
11:41 neilb no. See: http://www.cpan.org/misc/cpan-faq.html#Plans_for_statistics
11:41 daveh ah, the path to hell is paved with good intentions
11:41 neilb :-)
11:43 fuzzix This "OS" doesn't ship with a compiler.
11:43 daveh fuzzix: which OS?
11:43 fuzzix daveh: Erm, you don't want to know :)
11:44 daveh g'wan
11:44 fuzzix nah
11:47 daveh AmigaOS?
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11:59 neilb AmigaOS, happy days!
12:06 daveh ooh, ooh, PlalmOS!
12:12 pink_mist neilb: I'm going to haveto ask for a different dist too -- just talked with the maintainer, and while there is an issue open, it's not something either of us can reproduce, and he's fairly satisfied with the state of the dist as it is
12:14 neilb pink_mist: I see a red flag on CPANTS: http://cpants.cpanauthors.org/author/BIGPRESH
12:16 pink_mist ah, alright I'll poke at that then =)
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12:43 kentnl the path to hell is paved with interesting questions
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12:59 Su-Shee hence: "ignorance is bliss" :)
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13:22 neilb vti: two Russian sign-ups already today! \o/
13:23 vti neilb: how do you know? did you write in you in russian? :D
13:23 vti *they
13:23 vti god.. so many typos
13:23 neilb yeah, what are you, typing in a foreign language or something?!
13:25 vti neilb: i make lots of typos in russian too :)
13:27 neilb mee to
13:27 neilb Well, they said “let me into the challenge, or I break your fingers”, so I assumed they were Russian ;-)
13:27 vti neilb: i see
13:28 neilb also, the .ru domains and russian names were a hint
13:33 vti neilb: :)
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14:06 pink_mist alright, PR sent! =)
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14:12 daveh pink_mist++
14:15 neilb pink_mist++
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14:42 daveh haha
14:42 daveh looking for perlcritic+emacs, I'm third hit on Google
14:47 michael 28th for me
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15:09 daveh Perl::Critic's deps are pretty huge :)
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15:16 daveh woo! IPC::Run has lots of critic fails
15:17 daveh I wish I hadn't sold my PBP now :(
15:19 pink_mist once I own a book, it's nigh-impossible to get me to part with it :P
15:19 pink_mist I've only ever lost one book, and that was because my closest friend borrowed it, and his dog ate it...
15:33 Su-Shee pink_mist: you are already done?!
15:33 neilb January is now 49% done!
15:34 Su-Shee nice!
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15:46 daveh hm, big fails for IPC::Run on OpenBSD
15:47 daveh previos version passed everything
15:49 thrig I pty.t the fool!
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18:44 Peter What does "anti-DRY" mean?
18:45 Peter neilb, I wonder if 50% is an asymptote
18:56 neilb DRY = don’t repeat yourself
18:56 neilb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_repeat_yourself
18:57 neilb Peter: I think we’ll get past 50%, but not sure how much further
18:57 Peter neilb++, thanks
18:58 Peter Anyone know where this is a good simple breakdown of Perl versions and the features they introduce?
18:59 Peter I currently stick with requiring Perls within the current maintenance window so I don't have to worry about features so much
18:59 Peter Hmm, this is less a PRC issue and more of personal Peter issue
19:00 neilb Peter: does this help: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c7YJq5NUulRCshgV-xwgbibAj30rZVpYVpRSmq-PRLw/edit?usp=sharing
19:00 neilb I created it a while back, pulling the main changes out of perldelta since 5.10
19:01 neilb hmm, I need to update it for 5.18.1+
19:01 Peter neilb, Yes! That's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for
19:02 Peter The ultimate solution would be a D::Z plugin that reads my code and sets the minimum required Perl as far as it can tell :d
19:02 Peter Maybe a project for me one day :P
19:09 haarg https://metacpan.org/pod/Dist::Zilla::Plugin::MinimumPerl https://metacpan.org/pod/Dist::Zilla::Plugin::MinimumPerlFast
19:13 Peter haarg, I use one of them but as far as I'm aware it only looks at my "use" declarations?
19:13 haarg no
19:13 haarg they detect the language features you use
19:16 Peter omg, nice, and I've been disabling it with an explicit declaration in dist.ini too
19:16 Peter haarg++, thanks
19:16 haarg i haven't used them extensively
19:17 haarg i'm so used to writing 5.8 compatible code i usually don't think about the newer features
19:17 thrig but what about my red // stapler?
19:18 Peter haarg, I don't explicitly want to support dino-perls but I don't want to exclude any living-fossil perls for the sake of it :P
19:18 Peter ^ me trying to come up with clever analogy and failing
19:19 haarg i'm still keeping 5.6 compatible on a bunch of modules
19:20 * ether uses [MinimumPerl] and [Test::MinimumVersion] in my dzil plugin bundle, with the default "maximum minimum" set to 5.6
19:20 ether only rarely do I release anything requiring 5.10+
19:22 haarg 5.6 compatibility is usually not hard, just usually not worth the effort
19:22 haarg the biggest thing you lose is unicode, but if someone is on 5.6 they aren't expecting unicode to work anyway
19:23 Peter haarg, I value "say" more than I value supporting before 5.10 :P
19:24 haarg 5.10 has a lot more new stuff than 5.8 really
19:24 Peter I don't dislike backwards compatibility, I just don't like it as much as Perl does as whole
19:25 haarg sure.  and it's not appropriate for all projects.
19:25 ether (I lied - my default max-min is 5.008001)
19:25 Peter I just realised why I'm doing what I do in dist.ini, I'm using Modern::Perl
19:26 Peter I can believe there are a lot of crufty old boxes running 5.8 in companies around the world :(
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19:27 Peter Thinking about it, to use newer syntax I must surely be explicitly requiring it somewhere, and so looking at my use statements should be enough anyway?
19:28 haarg i looked at how painful 5.005 compatibility would be at one point out of curiosity
19:28 thrig nope, //= is easy to sneak in
19:28 thrig or /a or other flags on regex
19:28 haarg lack of our, use warnings, and lexical filehandles caused me to give up on that pretty quickly
19:30 Peter thrig, oh yeah, they would "work" but not DWIM?
19:31 thrig or throw curious and hard to debug errors
19:32 thrig http://72.14.189.113/tmp/likeso
19:33 Peter thrig, ah
19:34 Peter at least I would notice that myself when developing (because I wouldn't have enabled newer features with use in this case)
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22:41 neilb 218 people now have an assignment for February. 0.9% complete :-)
22:42 thrig (I already have a merged patch in to mine, though may poke at it more)
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22:46 * ether hasn't yet heard from whoever got my dist
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