Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #puppet-openstack, 2013-10-14

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09:54 beddari any euro-timezone people involved? :)
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09:59 EmilienM beddari: o/
09:59 beddari hi there, great
10:00 beddari I'm on an new openstack project where I'm the one trying to bend enough paperclips for it to use Puppet hehe
10:01 beddari I'm funded across two .no universities, one uses cfengine right now, the other one Puppet
10:01 beddari so .. hah :)
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13:25 openstackgerrit Sandro Mathys proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Scrap nonsense provider setting requirements  https://review.openstack.org/51603
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13:30 openstackgerrit Ryan O'Hara proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Fix file permissions on examples/neutron.pp  https://review.openstack.org/51605
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13:46 fvollero EmilienM: I know, but since I don't have clues, you can do it after you +1 your patch
13:46 fvollero EmilienM: I don't have Debian/Ubuntu environmnent to test/run it.
13:46 EmilienM fvollero: any clues of what?
13:46 EmilienM fvollero: when i do a puppet patch, i support rhel & ubuntu
13:47 fvollero EmilienM: clues on debian/ubuntu support
13:47 EmilienM it's just a matter of services & packages name
13:47 EmilienM that could be found on ubuntu website
13:47 fvollero EmilienM: I got it, but I was in hurry.
13:47 EmilienM fvollero: http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/saucy/all/python-ceilometer/filelist
13:47 fvollero EmilienM: Come on, be flexible on this one
13:48 EmilienM fvollero: :)
13:48 EmilienM fvollero: i understand totally
13:48 EmilienM fvollero: it's nothing special to add
13:48 EmilienM just packages & services names
13:49 EmilienM but ok, i'll do it after your patch
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14:00 fvollero EmilienM: Merci ;)
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14:14 fvollero EmilienM: so you can change your -1 to a +1 ?
14:14 fvollero EmilienM: :D
14:15 EmilienM we have to discuss with puppet team about this policy
14:15 EmilienM i would like to know if it's mandatory or optional to make a patch only for ONE distro
14:16 fvollero EmilienM: Is not mandatory. Everything in OpenStack have first hands just on debian based distro. I had the opportunity to add those services because i'm the man behind the package building on fedora, so as soon as I got those, I updated the puppet module.
14:17 fvollero EmilienM: You know, for packstack to work, they (puppet repo and packstack) have to be _in sync_ and that's my goal.
14:17 EmilienM yeah sure
14:17 EmilienM i have no problem with that, and you deserve a +1
14:18 EmilienM i was just wondering :)
14:18 fvollero EmilienM: Now, I understand you want to have it for ubuntu as well, but that's not the case in here, you think that if I was able to gather the name in one single shot i will not add those as well?
14:18 fvollero EmilienM: Thank for your understanding.
14:19 EmilienM fvollero: in my job, i have to manage ubuntu/debian/rhel/centos, so trust me it's a pain when puppet module supports only ONE os for a feature that I need
14:19 EmilienM fvollero: i gave you +1, but not sure you will have approvment from core team
14:20 fvollero EmilienM: And I fully understand it. Gave me the package names and I will add those, as a breeze.
14:20 EmilienM ok
14:21 * EmilienM checks with maintainer
14:22 fvollero EmilienM: Gotcha. In all the cases, RHEL based distributions are mantained by red hat guys, because most of those puppet modules was just for ubuntu/debian. I understand that you have to support all 4 platforms and that's a PITA.
14:22 fvollero s/are mantained/are mostly mantained/
14:22 EmilienM :D
14:24 fvollero EmilienM: think that I had to cherry pick (and finx) every single change for have in sync puppet-heat with upstream repo to have it in sync with the old puppet 2.6 rules
14:24 EmilienM fvollero: o.m.g.
14:25 fvollero EmilienM: yep
14:26 fvollero EmilienM: sounds like fun
14:27 EmilienM guess so
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15:03 beddari interesting and important
15:05 beddari I'm coming to Openstack from the general Puppet community and one vs some/all distros are discussed all the time
15:07 beddari actually I think on a large scale this is very important, the coordination really *should* happen at the Puppet level :)
15:10 EmilienM beddari: it's a wip
15:10 EmilienM we do our best
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15:47 fvollero +1
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16:17 hogepodge We have people coming from both communities, Ubuntu and RedHat, so that helps. But sometimes patches come through and it looks like it will only work on one distro.
16:18 hogepodge all: puppet-vswitch made it into Stackforge over the weekend.
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17:14 beddari hogepodge: how far has integration testing come along? I'm more than ready to work on that
17:16 hogepodge beddari: integration testing for vswitch?
17:17 hogepodge or in general?
17:17 beddari ah no, but yes, for this whole project :)
17:17 beddari rspec-system is 'made for this' .. not really, but yes
17:18 fvollero beddari: oh, you're using rspec-system ?
17:18 hogepodge beddari: as far as I know, we have ubuntu and rh family automated testing. bodepd would know much better than I do.
17:18 hogepodge beddari: right, we have spec for unit tests. Those, as well as lint and syntax checks are voting jobs.
17:19 hogepodge we also have smoke stack to stand up a simple deployment on the infrastructure ci servers
17:19 beddari from what I've seen so far (not much I'd admit) you don't yet have rspec-system tests
17:19 fvollero beddari: i guess that atm no many people use rspec-system is too young
17:19 beddari yeah ok well for me that sounds almost like rspec-system, I'll look into that. For me integration testing of infracode is on this level
17:20 beddari fvollero: not to me, hehe .. but maybe. I just love it, and serverspec
17:21 beddari I always discuss this over beer with 'real developers' (you know those with beards) .. with infracode I think unit testing has less merit
17:21 beddari I'm operations gone devish so hehe
17:21 hogepodge Say, for example, this job https://smokestack.openstack.org/?go=/jobs/144976
17:21 fvollero beddari: i'm one of those (developers with beard) :)
17:22 beddari I could tell ;)
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17:23 beddari hogepodge: I'll look into smokestack, still very new to this all
17:24 beddari hogepodge: modules are tested through that process?
17:26 beddari so what kind of tests are run against the infra that is spun by smokestack?
17:28 beddari Loaded suite Torpedo
17:28 beddari 15 tests, 69 assertions, 0 failures, 0 errors
17:29 hogepodge beddari: I'm not entirely sure what's tested. I'm still somewhat new to the infra side of things. Internally at PL we're building up our own test suites that deploy the systems and check users, image upload, network setup, vm spawning. Right now it's RH-family centric, but we'll expand to Ubuntu also. Basically all of the major contributors have their own test setups along with what's on stackforge
17:29 beddari hogepodge: I'd imagine you use rspec-system?
17:29 hogepodge probably not the most satisfying answer.
17:30 beddari hogepodge: anything else I would have to disagree haha
17:30 hogepodge beddari: yes, eventually. We're still building out the system here. :-)
17:30 beddari great all I need to know
17:30 hogepodge beddari: but rspec-system is going to be launching and checking the jobs
17:31 beddari mm well I'm happy to come from the Puppet camp
17:31 beddari we get it all for free
17:32 beddari hogepodge: if you get what I'm saying :P
17:32 hogepodge :-)
17:32 beddari hogepodge: mindset, culture, mature tools .. long list
17:33 beddari as I said earlier today, my project is funded across two .no universities, one uses cfengine right now, the other one Puppet
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17:43 openstackgerrit Francesco Vollero proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Added alarm-notifier and alarm-evaluator services  https://review.openstack.org/50699
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