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openstackgerrit |
A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: TTL mechanism support with expirer service https://review.openstack.org/60029 |
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openstackgerrit |
A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add metering agent support https://review.openstack.org/60656 |
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openstackgerrit |
A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-nova: Clean-up files use https://review.openstack.org/60792 |
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EmilienM |
hello |
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openstackgerrit |
Emilien Macchi proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add multi-worker support https://review.openstack.org/61345 |
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EmilienM |
michchap: thank you |
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michchap |
EmilienM: hey, do you do any doc building at eNovance, using puppetdoc? |
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EmilienM |
michchap: no |
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EmilienM |
michchap: and you ? |
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michchap |
EmilienM: I tried it out yesterday. Some modules work fine, but others don't have the correct syntax for RDoc |
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openstackgerrit |
Emilien Macchi proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: TTL mechanism support with expirer service https://review.openstack.org/60660 |
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michchap |
EmilienM: I'm going to try to fix the rest this week, and see if we can host the doc somewhere. |
| 08:53 |
michchap |
EmilienM: and then add a gating job for it. |
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EmilienM |
michchap: please explain me what could i do, i would like to help |
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EmilienM |
michchap: that's a VERY good idea |
| 08:53 |
michchap |
EmilienM: all your patches are already following the correct syntax |
| 08:53 |
EmilienM |
michchap: cool, good news. Thanks to good reviewers :) |
| 08:54 |
EmilienM |
michchap: maybe could we coordinate the work on the ML |
| 08:54 |
EmilienM |
michchap: let's say, I take Neutron, you take foo, someone takes bar |
| 08:54 |
EmilienM |
etc etc |
| 08:54 |
michchap |
EmilienM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61296/1/doc/build_doc.sh |
| 08:55 |
EmilienM |
michchap: any example of online result ? |
| 08:55 |
michchap |
you can build the doc for all the modules that are used by builder using that script, then take a look at what is missing. I think Nova is probably the best place to start |
| 08:55 |
EmilienM |
ok got it |
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michchap |
EmilienM: I haven't hosted it anywhere yet |
| 08:55 |
EmilienM |
michchap: ok, i'll try |
| 08:55 |
EmilienM |
that would be awesome |
| 08:55 |
EmilienM |
to auto generate doc for upstream openstack manuals |
| 08:56 |
EmilienM |
i know some folks would be happy to help out that stuff |
| 08:56 |
EmilienM |
i would suggest an email to puppet ML first |
| 08:56 |
michchap |
I was going to try to catch chris hoge on here and see if there's anything PL can do to help |
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michchap |
because ideally the doc is hosted on the forge, or upstream somewhere, rather than by Cisco |
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openstackgerrit |
Emilien Macchi proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: TTL mechanism support with expirer service https://review.openstack.org/60660 |
| 08:59 |
EmilienM |
michchap: i think he's sleeping |
| 09:00 |
EmilienM |
afik, he is on west coast |
| 09:00 |
EmilienM |
michchap: i love your idea, please let me know |
| 09:00 |
michchap |
EmilienM: yeah I will try in my morning, tomorrow |
| 09:00 |
EmilienM |
i'll have a look later |
| 09:03 |
EmilienM |
michchap: regarding to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60799/6//COMMIT_MSG |
| 09:04 |
EmilienM |
you are right... it's just sometimes hard to have reviews, so |
| 09:04 |
michchap |
EmilienM: I say that because when I was reviewing, I looked at the files and was a bit confused at first, and thought it might be a bit cleaner as a separate patch |
| 09:04 |
EmilienM |
i can split in 2 patches |
| 09:04 |
EmilienM |
it's not a big deal |
| 09:05 |
EmilienM |
michchap: can I rename at least the test where I change something inside ? |
| 09:06 |
michchap |
EmilienM: the problem I had was the file that was just renamed but not modified |
| 09:06 |
EmilienM |
ok |
| 09:06 |
EmilienM |
so I just cancel the rename of one test. |
| 09:06 |
michchap |
R |
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michchap |
spec/classes/nova_network_neutron_spec.rb |
| 09:06 |
michchap |
renamed from spec/classes/nova_network_quantum_spec.rb |
| 09:07 |
michchap |
^ That should be it's own patch, with a commit message saying tests renamed from Quantum to Neutron |
| 09:09 |
michchap |
Ah I see your issue - the compute_ one is also renamed and then modified |
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michchap |
If you could make the rename patch one commit, then depend on that commit for the second patch that changes the default driver, that would be ideal. |
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EmilienM |
michchap: ok, i'll do like this |
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michchap |
EmilienM: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-nova/blob/master/manifests/api.pp#L28 |
| 09:39 |
michchap |
EmilienM: Why do we default to false? |
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EmilienM |
michchap: lol, indeed |
| 09:40 |
michchap |
EmilienM: This is the kind of thing I find when I try to write documentation |
| 09:40 |
EmilienM |
michchap: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-cinder/blob/master/manifests/api.pp#L78 |
| 09:41 |
EmilienM |
i think it deserves a patch |
| 09:41 |
michchap |
EmilienM: yeah I checked the Neutron ones and they are enabled too |
| 09:41 |
EmilienM |
i do it now. |
| 09:41 |
michchap |
EmilienM: is there a chance someone is depending on that behavior? |
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EmilienM |
really, nova-api MUST be enabled when we call the class. |
| 09:42 |
EmilienM |
nova-api is just... important :) |
| 09:42 |
michchap |
yeah it's a bit strange. |
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EmilienM |
michchap: it's the same for all manifests |
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EmilienM |
michchap: https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-nova/+bug/1220473 |
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EmilienM |
already know issue |
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EmilienM |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-nova/+bug/1220473/comments/3 |
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EmilienM |
he's right ... |
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michchap |
Oh that's annoying |
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EmilienM |
michchap: indeed. |
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michchap |
I feel like I could send a message to the list and change it in he next release |
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michchap |
I'm going away a bit, I'll be back in a few hours. |
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EmilienM |
michchap: ack |
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michchap |
EmilienM: back |
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EmilienM |
michchap: wow, you never sleep |
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michchap |
it's only midnight |
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mattymo |
like a boss |
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EmilienM |
michchap: thank you for your reviews by the way |
| 13:13 |
michchap |
EmilienM: no problem |
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openstackgerrit |
Michael Chapman proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-nova: Change nova::api doc to conform to style guide https://review.openstack.org/61414 |
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EmilienM |
michchap: nice one ^ |
| 13:19 |
michchap |
EmilienM: thanks. It's going to take a while to fix all of it |
| 13:19 |
EmilienM |
yeah |
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mattymo |
michchap, do you work with bodepd in Cisco? |
| 13:21 |
michchap |
mattymo: I was for the previous cycle, but bodepd is not at Cisco at the moment. |
| 13:21 |
mattymo |
oh!! |
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mattymo |
back to PuppetLabs? or did he slip through the cracks? |
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michchap |
I think he is doing short contracts at the moment |
| 13:22 |
mattymo |
cool |
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mattymo |
good for us) we want to steal him for a short run |
| 13:23 |
mattymo |
michchap, were at you at summit in HK? |
| 13:23 |
michchap |
Yeah I know :) |
| 13:23 |
michchap |
yep |
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mattymo |
were you at the meetup for puppet-openstack? |
| 13:23 |
michchap |
yep |
| 13:23 |
mattymo |
I didn't get a chance to meet everyone.. |
| 13:23 |
mattymo |
a big room |
| 13:23 |
michchap |
yeah. I feel like we should organise it a bit better next time |
| 13:23 |
EmilienM |
+1 |
| 13:24 |
michchap |
One option is if someone does the work to integrate with tripleo, we can tack on the end of their summit track |
| 13:24 |
mattymo |
I agree. I'm not sure if I'll make it to Atlanta in May, but I hope so |
| 13:25 |
mattymo |
I sat on 2/3 of the tripleo sessions there and it seems leaning 70% toward python/bash and avoiding puppet, with a lot of pressure from dell crowbar guys to look at chef |
| 13:26 |
mattymo |
for a reference model |
| 13:27 |
michchap |
they will reinvent everything. That's fine. I also suspect their use case is somewhat different from ours |
| 13:27 |
mattymo |
there is a lot of reinvention going on in this project's scope |
| 13:28 |
michchap |
but the point remains that puppet-openstack should be deployable by heat on top of ironic, and that could be via a tripleo element. |
| 13:28 |
mattymo |
and our team at Mirantis is trying to reinvent ironic to scale a lot faster than glance |
| 13:28 |
michchap |
by that do you mean glance is the limiting factor in an ironic deployment? |
| 13:29 |
mattymo |
getting images out to 1,000 or 10,000 nodes still relies on your "undercloud" size |
| 13:29 |
mattymo |
there's a middle ground where you could use p2p (like bittorrent) to exchange that data and distribute and verify it many times faster |
| 13:30 |
mattymo |
right now the undercloud is some fixed permanent role that really limits your deployment speed |
| 13:30 |
mattymo |
and then it's costly to dedicate so many systems for what in many cases is a temporary role |
| 13:34 |
michchap |
That makes a lot of sense |
| 13:34 |
michchap |
sounds like a pretty fun problem tbh! |
| 13:35 |
michchap |
by the way...does Mirantis use 0MQ in deployments at all? |
| 13:35 |
EmilienM |
0MQ \o/ |
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michchap |
EmilienM: are you guys using it? |
| 13:36 |
EmilienM |
michchap: oh no ! |
| 13:36 |
EmilienM |
we use RabbitMQ |
| 13:36 |
michchap |
ah...rabbit for debian and qpid for RHEL? |
| 13:36 |
EmilienM |
yeah |
| 13:36 |
EmilienM |
i wonder who use 0MQ |
| 13:37 |
mattymo |
still rabbitmq |
| 13:37 |
mattymo |
we use qpid for RHEL but HA queues still doesn't work |
| 13:37 |
mattymo |
and rabbitmq for ubuntu and centos |
| 13:37 |
michchap |
I'd like to try it out but I don't have enough kit to really test the scale |
| 13:38 |
mattymo |
michchap, the biggest problem is everyone is a critic of installation methodology |
| 13:38 |
EmilienM |
imo, rabbitmq is the best way today when installing openstack |
| 13:38 |
mattymo |
except when it fails it's a very bad day |
| 13:39 |
mattymo |
running out of disk space is a good way to kill rabbitmq |
| 13:39 |
michchap |
mattymo: yep. Especially the bare metal part - there are how many deployment tools around now? |
| 13:39 |
michchap |
mattymo: MAAS, Razor, Cobbler, Foreman, Crowbar |
| 13:39 |
mattymo |
crowbar does bare metal on its own? |
| 13:40 |
michchap |
mattymo: I was talking to bodepd about this, there is a fundamental divide between people operating at massive scale, who must use discovery methods to deploy, and smaller clusters which prefer specificity because it's the more natural way to deploy. |
| 13:41 |
michchap |
mattymo: I actually think tripleo is going to go with the former, and the latter may remain the domain of puppet/chef/ansible |
| 13:41 |
mattymo |
Fuel has its own discovery agent (not too different from Foreman's) and then cobbler for actual deployment |
| 13:42 |
mattymo |
very few people have homogenous hardware |
| 13:43 |
michchap |
mattymo: true. |
| 13:43 |
michchap |
mattymo: that doesn't prevent discovery though |
| 13:44 |
mattymo |
discovery is crucial |
| 13:44 |
mattymo |
and asking an admin to plug in mac addresses is oldschool |
| 13:45 |
michchap |
mattymo: we still do that. It's crap. |
| 13:45 |
mattymo |
in our more recent release we now try to group hosts based on similar components |
| 13:46 |
michchap |
so you're matching roles to flavors in a kind of fuzzy way? |
| 13:49 |
EmilienM |
michchap: mattymo: with eDeploy, we don't (mac @ stuff) |
| 13:49 |
EmilienM |
we make discovery from hardware |
| 13:51 |
michchap |
EmilienM: then what process do you use to decide what hardware takes which role? |
| 13:52 |
EmilienM |
when a server boot up by PXE, eDeploy is able to say "it's a server with 8 disks, it's a swift servers" |
| 13:52 |
EmilienM |
that's an example ^ |
| 13:52 |
EmilienM |
of course, it's very modular |
| 13:52 |
michchap |
so you set some filter? |
| 13:52 |
EmilienM |
maybe I'm not the best person to talk about that but we are close to release a complete documentation |
| 13:53 |
EmilienM |
somes rules yeah |
| 13:53 |
EmilienM |
those rules could be everything |
| 13:53 |
michchap |
ok |
| 13:53 |
EmilienM |
michchap: and we manage upgrades :) |
| 13:54 |
michchap |
upgrades? |
| 13:54 |
michchap |
of openstack? kernel? ceph? |
| 13:55 |
EmilienM |
michchap: every software |
| 13:55 |
EmilienM |
michchap: as far the doc will be ready, i'll share with you. It will be public of course |
| 13:56 |
michchap |
EmilienM: cool |
| 13:56 |
EmilienM |
michchap: sorry for spoiling |
| 13:56 |
EmilienM |
michchap: i don't like that |
| 13:56 |
EmilienM |
but i'll show you the stuff |
| 13:56 |
EmilienM |
maybe you will be interested in |
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openstackgerrit |
Michael Chapman proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-nova: Make parameter doc RDoc compatible https://review.openstack.org/61426 |
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michchap |
^ I did 4 classes. It takes so long :( |
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mattymo |
roles to flavors? |
| 14:02 |
mattymo |
sorry was helping a colleague |
| 14:02 |
mattymo |
we only have 4 roles right now - controller, compute, cinder, and ceph |
| 14:02 |
mattymo |
and can be combined |
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michchap |
mattymo: no problem. I guess...how does a user define which hardware they want to have which services on them |
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michchap |
mattymo: what's the cinder role for? |
| 14:03 |
michchap |
mattymo: we have one for neutron but barely use it. |
| 14:04 |
mattymo |
hmm I don't have any demos of our current system but I can show you a screenshot |
| 14:07 |
openstackgerrit |
Michael Chapman proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-nova: Make parameter doc RDoc compatible https://review.openstack.org/61426 |
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mattymo |
michchap, like this http://imgur.com/tTxy15p |
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mattymo |
these are vms |
| 14:15 |
michchap |
mattymo: so you discover first, then match roles to what has been discovered |
| 14:15 |
michchap |
mattymo: that makes sense. looks neat :) |
| 14:18 |
mattymo |
yeah it's hard to check 50+ boxes |
| 14:18 |
mattymo |
cinder role is a storage node |
| 14:18 |
mattymo |
controllers automatically run cinder and create a cinder lv |
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mattymo |
unless you explicitly don't create one |
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mattymo |
neutron needs to be HA so we run it on all controllers |
| 14:19 |
mattymo |
we had a separate neutron node role before but non-HA neutron is a bad idea |
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michchap |
yep |
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mgagne |
fun... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259911 |
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EmilienM |
damn |
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mgagne |
we have the same problem, puppetlabs mirror is unreliable |
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mgagne |
even the mirroring process suggested by puppetlabs isn't working all the time |
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mattymo |
we mirror it for my org |
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mattymo |
and then rebuild) |
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mattymo |
just in case |
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dmsimard |
yeah, puppetlabs' apt repo is definitely not working properly right now, blowing my things up |
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mattymo |
dmsimard, this hasn't updated yet today if it's any help http://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/PuppetLabs/ |
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mgagne |
mattymo: we do have a local mirror =) |
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mgagne |
mattymo: gonna move our apt source to it now |
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EmilienM |
bodepd: thanks |
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openstackgerrit |
Jeffrey Cox proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-openstack: Expose fqdn parameter of stackforge/horizon module https://review.openstack.org/58453 |
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