Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #puppet-openstack, 2014-01-22

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04:57 openstackgerrit Michael Chapman proposed a change to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Add heat templates for 2_role scenario  https://review.openstack.org/67992
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05:49 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Removed puppet master command  https://review.openstack.org/66726
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07:07 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Update Cisco package repo setup parameters  https://review.openstack.org/67916
07:08 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Add glance cache pruner job  https://review.openstack.org/67921
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07:43 EmilienM good morning
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09:32 michchap EmilienM: good morning
09:34 EmilienM michchap: hola
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09:59 EmilienM michchap: i know it's late
09:59 EmilienM michchap: but if you want to make reviews when you can
09:59 EmilienM michchap: i have a bunch
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10:27 michchap will do tomorrow
10:28 michchap my last day is on friday so I have been trying to get stuff handed over, not a lot of review sorry
10:28 EmilienM michchap: no worries :-) good luck with that !
10:29 michchap EmilienM: thanks
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11:44 openstackgerrit Gonéri Le Bouder proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: manage WSGI configuration  https://review.openstack.org/67726
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13:18 openstackgerrit Gonéri Le Bouder proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: manage WSGI configuration  https://review.openstack.org/67726
13:32 openstackgerrit Mark T. Voelker proposed a change to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Add glance cache cleaner job  https://review.openstack.org/67923
13:33 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Add glance cache cleaner job  https://review.openstack.org/67923
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14:41 fvollero sbadia: EmilienM : fellas a quick question on puppet-tempest... it's really needed this https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-temp​est/blob/master/manifests/init.pp#L80-L90 or we can just 'rely' on the packaged versions ?
14:41 EmilienM fvollero: there is no package afik
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14:53 fvollero EmilienM: you're right, i just checked on fedora :/
14:53 EmilienM fvollero: same for Debian / Ubuntu :-)
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14:54 EmilienM fvollero: tbh, tempest is not the best stuff to package. It's still growing hard every day
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14:54 sbadia yep… (deps moving a lot…)
14:56 fvollero sbadia: EmilienM : yep
14:56 fvollero sbadia: EmilienM : i think it's a PITA to package and there is no brave man that will do it :)
14:57 EmilienM sbadia: +1
14:58 fvollero EmilienM: it's Montreal treating you well ? :)
15:00 EmilienM fvollero: I'm back in FR
15:00 EmilienM fvollero: sprint was last week =)
15:01 fvollero EmilienM: aha :)
15:01 fvollero EmilienM: just in time
15:01 EmilienM fvollero: time for reviews ?
15:01 EmilienM fvollero: i have a bunch of patches as usual
15:01 fvollero EmilienM: looool :)
15:02 fvollero give me 10 and i'll be there, trying to track a nasty mongodb bug
15:02 EmilienM fvollero: no prob, just look at your review backlog, you are in reviewer of all my patches
15:03 fvollero EmilienM: lol :) ok
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15:26 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params, move default to init and make it configurable  https://review.openstack.org/68198
15:29 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params, move default to init and make it configurable  https://review.openstack.org/68201
15:30 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params, move default to init and make it configurable  https://review.openstack.org/68202
15:42 dmsimard fc__ / EmilienM: ^ related to that puppet-swift and ceilometer deployment issue
16:43 openstackgerrit Emilien Macchi proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: local_settings: Allow to manage can_set_password option  https://review.openstack.org/68433
16:44 openstackgerrit Emilien Macchi proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: local_settings: Allow to manage can_set_password option  https://review.openstack.org/68433
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17:24 Irioth anyone out there?
17:25 dmsimard o/
17:25 Irioth \o woo!
17:25 Irioth i'm having an issue with glance when trying to apply puppet-openstack for a controller node
17:26 Irioth err: Could not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Could not find resource 'Database[glance]' for relationship on 'Exec[glance-manage db_sync]'
17:26 Irioth using puppet 2.7.23 and puppet-openstack 3.0.0
17:28 Irioth i haven't really found much to try… it seems the error stems from glance::db::mysql, specifically this line
17:28 Irioth Database[$dbname]          ~> Exec<| title == 'glance-manage db_sync' |>
17:28 Irioth since i haven't found evidence of someone else having this problem, it's probably me missing some required param to openstack::controller, but i haven't found a smoking gun
17:29 Irioth anyone have suggestions?
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17:32 rharrison Irioth, what version of the puppetlabs-mysql module do you have?
17:33 Irioth rharrison 1.0.0
17:33 openstackgerrit Matt Fischer proposed a change to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Replace dpkg --purge call with apt-get  https://review.openstack.org/68445
17:34 Irioth now that i'm looking, it seems like openstack's requirements on mysql are (< 1.0.0, >= 0.6.1)
17:34 Irioth i'll try downgrading mysql and seeing how that goes
17:34 rharrison Irioth, yeah I had to modify the puppetlabs-openstack modules to get around that issue.  Been meaning to submit a patch for it.
17:36 mfisch markvoelker: ping
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17:54 openstackgerrit Matt Fischer proposed a change to stackforge/puppet_openstack_builder: Use a public ntp server  https://review.openstack.org/68450
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20:06 Irioth rharrison sorry for the delay, something came up… downgrading mysql seemed to work. thanks for the help!
20:07 rharrison Irioth, glad to hear it.
20:07 dachary dmsimard: I'm not sure I understand your last comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64388/ ?
20:09 dmsimard dachary: It's abandoned
20:09 dachary so I noticed, yes
20:09 dmsimard dachary: Nothing else to it :)
20:10 dachary oh, you encourage the author to work some more on it, is that correct ?
20:10 dmsimard More or less
20:10 dachary cool
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20:11 dmsimard dachary: Got to be honest, I'm a bit torn about integration tests this early in the development - I see the use except it's an overhead for code that might change a dozen time before it's stable at all
20:12 dmsimard dachary: That mentality translates into how I haven't built any unit tests for my python-cephclient project yet. Changing code because you change your mind can already be a lenghty process, imagine if you have to change the tests as well
20:13 dmsimard dachary: And there's the spec tests but I can settle with that
20:13 dachary what's the point of having code that is proven to not work ?
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20:14 dmsimard There are no integration tests for other puppet openstack projects and they're faring well I think :)
20:15 hogepodge Well, there's a reason that heat and swift haven't been released yet.
20:15 hogepodge I haven't automated anything yet, but in a small subset, I've checked integration on the other modules.
20:15 hogepodge Once upon a time smokestack did that too. It seems gone now.
20:17 dmsimard hogepodge: I see where you're going, but in the context of puppet-nova, puppet-cinder et al, they're already proven - working modules. You're not likely to refactor the modules multiple times before it can be used at all like the situation we have with puppet-ceph
20:17 dachary dmsimard: I don't dispute the fact that there is tons of code out there with no integration tests whatsoever ;-) I'm pointing that if an integration test shows code is broken, it's a good thing. It seems to me you're saying it's a bad thing.
20:18 hogepodge Change your tests to match your deployment. You're testing anyway, I think the question is do you want to codify those tests. Even basic test scripts to catch regressions are better than nothing.
20:19 hogepodge It's a bad thing if you spend more time writing test harnesses than you would on testing. I can see that.
20:19 dmsimard hogepodge: Already have spec tests
20:20 dachary hogepodge: if you spend 10 minutes manually testing and two hours writing tests, I think you still win, in the long run. Manual testing is a gigantic waste of time.
20:21 dmsimard But bear with me here, I'm not saying integration tests are bad. They're good. What I'm trying to say is that right now is that for implementing a single feature, you're ending up writing more tests than actual features - and these features or implemention of these features are subject to modifications so you end up writing even more tests.
20:22 dachary dmsimard: spec tests in puppet modules are roughly the equivalent of compiling code. It shows very little in terms of what it is supposed to actually do.
20:23 dachary dmsimard: shaping code to be test friendly is something that needs to be done from the beginning. Otherwise you end up with a code base that turns out to be test hostile, more often than not. And fighting against that is a gigantic pain. dmsimard try to write unit tests for the Ceph monitor and you'll see what I mean ;-)
20:24 dachary and shaping code to be test friendly without actually writing tests ( spec or integration ) is not something I've ever seen
20:24 dmsimard Hence the concept of test driven development
20:26 dachary whatever works, as long as you don't end up delivering code that has no tests demonstrating it actually performs the intended function
20:27 dachary I'm in favor of light tests early in the development stage, because they are more likely to be reworked / refactored.
20:27 dachary Maybe you don't test all the border cases in every possible details.
20:28 dachary You save this for later, when the code base matures.
20:29 dachary But having no tests at all, no proof that it does the work even in the simplest use case, can't be justified in any context, early or later or even drafting code.
20:29 dmsimard I'm okay with spec tests, I see the use in integration tests but you know my opinion on them
20:30 dachary specs tests don't demonstrate the module works
20:30 dachary they demonstrate the catalog is populated in some sensible way
20:31 dachary they would not catch even the most obvious type such as ceph being mispelled cephalopod ;-)
20:33 * dtalton is away: bbl
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20:43 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params and make logs more configurable in init  https://review.openstack.org/68198
20:43 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params and make logs configurable in init  https://review.openstack.org/68198
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21:08 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params and make logs configurable in init  https://review.openstack.org/68202
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21:14 openstackgerrit David Moreau Simard proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceilometer: Remove log_dir from params and make logs configurable in init  https://review.openstack.org/68201
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22:01 openstackgerrit Mathieu Gagné proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-cinder: Remove deprecated cinder::base class  https://review.openstack.org/68506
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