Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #puppet-openstack, 2014-06-12

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00:02 mgagne spredzy: https://launchpad.net/puppet-openstacklib now exists
00:08 mgagne bodepd: that's my opinion too on the subject, I don't see the value of have yet an other layer in openstacklib
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00:32 bodepd mgagne: that stuff already exists
00:32 mgagne bodepd: which "stuff" ?
00:32 bodepd nova::config, etc...
00:32 mgagne bodepd: I know
00:32 mgagne bodepd: I proposed the initial change
00:33 mgagne bodepd: what's why I don't understand the purpose of yet another layer
00:33 bodepd mgagne: oh, was it a layer on top of that?
00:33 mgagne bodepd: it's not
00:33 mgagne bodepd: it's part of the init class
00:33 bodepd mgagne: I've gotten pretty far into porting things to extras
00:34 bodepd mgagne: except for the part about getting the project initialized
00:34 mgagne bodepd: oops, false, it's an other class
00:34 mgagne bodepd: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-nova/blob/master/manifests/config.pp
00:34 bodepd I would love it if someone wants to poke infra for me
00:34 bodepd mgagne: I know.
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00:35 bodepd mgagne: how has life been treating you?
00:35 bodepd mgagne: I assume things are humming along smoothly in cloud land?
00:36 bodepd mgagne: https://github.com/bodepd/puppet-openstack_extras
00:36 bodepd mgagne: when the repo exists, that is my first proposed set of patches
00:36 gildub Anyone interested in merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94312/ and dependent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94504/ ?
00:37 gildub gildub, ^ puppet-vswitch
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00:37 mgagne bodepd: Release date is now past, I can breathe. I'm now working on enablers for other projects. One of those enabler is Icehouse.
00:37 bodepd gildub: people are ok with it breaking older versions of Puppet?
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00:38 bodepd I don't remember what the reqs are these days
00:38 gildub bodepd, breaking?
00:38 gildub bodepd, it was already broken anyway
00:38 gildub gildub, can't believe it survived that long
00:39 gildub bodepd, ^
00:39 bodepd optioal_commnads was required for lazy loading in older versions of Puppet
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00:39 bodepd I don't remember how old. I think this will break 2.6.x
00:39 bodepd but it should  be ok with 2.7.x
00:39 bodepd IIRC
00:40 mgagne not 2.6.x! :O
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00:40 gildub bodepd, ah ok, thought commands was the recommend way
00:41 bodepd it is after the change was made to make it lazy loading
00:41 bodepd let me check puppet and see if I can see when that changed
00:41 gildub bodepd, k
00:43 mgagne bodepd: how about yourself?
00:46 gildub bodepd, yeah I can see the following in provider.rb#L186 but what does it means? "# Since Puppet 2.7.8 this is typically not needed as evaluation of provider suitability is lazy"
00:47 bodepd gildub: yeah, I think that is the change
00:48 bodepd gildub: 2.7.8 sounds about right IIRC.I searched through the git history and cound't find the commit I was looking for
00:49 gildub bodepd, k but what happens before 2.7.8, #commands wasn't there?
00:50 bodepd gildub: commands was there, but it didn't evaluate existance of commands lazily
00:50 bodepd gildub: so you could not install commands and use themin the same run
00:50 bodepd gildub: that is what optional commands did
00:51 bodepd mgagne: I'm gearing up for an openstack project.
00:51 mgagne bodepd: a whole openstack project?
00:51 bodepd mgagne: I'm gonna manage me a cloud!
00:52 gildub bodepd, I see, so if <2.7.8 versions have to be supported I'll move the optional_commands back - Thanks for the enlightenment!
00:53 bodepd gildub: yeah, it's best to split it out as a separate patch b/c it has version support concerns
00:53 bodepd gildub: I reviewed your code and made inline comments
00:54 gildub bodepd, ok, great. I got very inspired with a book I bought recently "Puppet Types and Providers" ;)
00:55 gildub bodepd, what about a branch for older versions? Not sure if this is standard practice for stackforge
00:56 mgagne gildub: this might not be complet or thoroughly tested but here are my note about types and providers: https://gist.github.com/mgagne/7128846
00:57 bodepd mgagne: write a blog!
00:57 mgagne bodepd: I'm trying!
00:58 mgagne bodepd: currently working on a blog post about nova.conf.sample being gone
00:58 bodepd mgagne: that bit me the other day
00:58 mgagne bodepd: yep
00:58 gildub mgagne, yeah good idea, then I'll add comments very soon!
00:58 bodepd mgagne: I don't know how to check for default values :(
00:58 mgagne bodepd: and michchap_ too
00:58 mgagne bodepd: you have to run tox -egenconfig
00:58 bodepd mgagne: well, I know I need to install source and muck with tox
00:58 mgagne bodepd: good luck
00:58 bodepd mgagne: yeah,I was to angry to even try
01:00 gildub mgagne, the challenge with those customs types are the not working in all situations class methods (instances, prefetch), in my case that was ok for the parent provider but couldn't do it for the inherited one.
01:00 mgagne bodepd: there is a thread in openstack-dev about it where Sean Dague made good points about why requiring the end user to run tox is cumbersome and a bad idea.
01:00 bodepd I just made a passive-aggresive tweet about it
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01:00 bodepd I'm pretty sure that's how things get done on the internet :)
01:01 mgagne bodepd: Tom Fifield asked openstack-operator mailinglist to weight in our opinions about it in a proposed change to do the same in Cinder, so I did it.
01:01 bodepd mgagne: I'm  the worst at mailing lists
01:01 mgagne bodepd: too much noise
01:02 mgagne bodepd: I haven't found a way to efficiently filter incoming messages yet
01:02 * gildub used to say "I love ruby but I hate Puppet, now I think Puppet hates me"
01:02 mgagne bodepd: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96581
01:03 bodepd gildub: what do you mean by a branch for older versions?
01:03 bodepd gildub: it really just depdends on redhat. I forget what version they are using these days
01:03 gildub bodepd, well to draw a line for pre 2.7.8 compatible versions
01:04 mgagne bodepd: I now start to understand the issue being having a sample config file in the repository but yet, the alternative solutions proposed by the devs are just not practical. This shows they haven't tried their proposition or do not have experience as an openstack operator.
01:05 mgagne bodepd: which is unfortunate. But hey, they asked operators and "superusers" to participate and communicate their concerns. =)
01:06 gildub bodepd, from RHEL6.5+ > 3.2.x - I'm not worried about before since Havana/Icehouse are rhel6.5+ or rhel7
01:06 gildub bodepd, but what about debian/ubuntu?
01:11 openstackgerrit Mathieu Gagné proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-openstack-specs: Common OpenStack Configuration Provider  https://review.openstack.org/99524
01:12 mgagne bodepd: that's what I would like to see in openstacklib ^
01:15 spredzy mgagne, bodepd my bad, I hadn't look carefully enough
01:15 spredzy thanks for letting me know
01:16 gildub bodepd, so branch or tag for pre-versions, is that ok?
01:19 bodepd my heads not wrapped enough around this to be able to speak for every user anymore
01:19 bodepd I think anyone not using 3.x is crazy
01:20 bodepd the wiki says 2.7.x
01:20 gildub :)
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01:20 bodepd I just need to remember what the default version for 12_04 is
01:21 mgagne bodepd: funny how there is a conversation about this exact issue in #openstack-oslo atm
01:22 bodepd 2.7.11-1ubuntu2
01:22 bodepd lemme double check what version that change happened in
01:23 mgagne bodepd: anyone installing openstack on precise would use Ubuntu Cloud Archive. So they aren't strange to the idea of having yet an other repository in sources.list.
01:23 mgagne bodepd: but adding puppetlabs repo might not be as easy as adding an ubuntu one
01:24 dvorak mgagne: I think it's actually as easy, or easier
01:24 mgagne dvorak: it's technically easy, might not be politically
01:25 dvorak fair enough
01:25 dvorak I wouldn't even consider deploying anything new on 2.7, even on precise
01:25 dvorak this came up a few weeks ago, and I think hoge was saying that he was ok with dropping 2.7 after juno
01:26 mgagne people will start moving to trusty anyway. Don't know how much time is left to precise support though
01:26 mgagne and if Ubuntu will continue maintaining UCA for precise for long
01:27 dvorak they will, trusty only contains 2014.1.0, uca will contain 2014.1.1
01:27 dvorak that's my understanding at least
01:27 mgagne dvorak: what about trusty-updates?
01:28 dvorak I don't know the details, I know we asked about this when trusty came out and that's what we got back
01:28 mgagne hmm
01:28 mgagne it doesn't make sense to me
01:28 dvorak I was annoyed, because it meant we had to drop UCA on our trusty boxes and plan to have to put it back later
01:29 dvorak well, like I said, that's my understanding.  a co-worker asked his former co-workers at canonical, so it's possible it got misinterpreted somewhere along the way
01:29 mgagne - Guys, you will have to configure a new repository to get any updates, the one you have although it's named trusty-updates won't have any updates.
01:29 spredzy mgagne, ping
01:30 mgagne dvorak: they usually backport updates from trusty to precise for UCA. 2014.1.1 HAS to land in trusty first.
01:30 mgagne spredzy: hi
01:30 bodepd gildub: it's definitely 2.7.8 commit: 70114e97238e2e890373a0a
01:30 dvorak I'll be glad to be wrong :)
01:30 spredzy mgagne, hey, quick q on the last comment
01:30 mgagne spredzy: go
01:30 bodepd gildub: the commit message isn't so clear, but the acceptance test in that commit is opretty clear
01:31 bodepd gildub: from my perspective, it's ok to say we don't support older than 2.7.11 for icehouse
01:31 bodepd gildub: I don't feel authoritative about this, so you might want to throw it out to the list
01:31 bodepd gildub: also, be sure to update the wiki if that patch gets updated to indicate the new least supported version
01:31 spredzy mgagne, don't you think the openstacklib (common module) should try to help make composition module easier ?
01:32 mgagne spredzy: it shouldn't implement the composition layer per se
01:32 bodepd spredzy: I feel like I've already had that argument and lost
01:32 gildub gildub, ok great! Yeah, that's what I was thinking about: a patch with wiki/readme add-on
01:33 gildub bodepd, ^ + will do the list. Thank you!
01:34 spredzy mgagne, I am not talking  about a compisition layer, but since in the composition layer, we might need to set several configuration, having this kind of openstacklib::configs could be used from the various composition layers
01:34 spredzy bodepd, what was your arguments :) ? what was the use cas you had in mind ?
01:35 mgagne spredzy: how about it be in openstack_extras?
01:35 spredzy mgagne, to me openstack_extras is a bucket where to put things needed by openstack but not tied to openstack (ha, firewall, etc...)
01:37 spredzy mgagne, since here we are talking about components configuration, it is tied to openstack, hence openstacklib
01:37 mgagne spredzy: how is configs related to lib?
01:37 spredzy mgagne, configs deal directly with nova/neutron/cinder/etc.... configuration
01:37 spredzy not something around it
01:37 mgagne spredzy: if I need to update openstacklib when introducing new module or change to a module, we fail
01:37 mgagne spredzy: openstacklib shouldn't have to know about all modules, that's the job of a composition layer
01:37 bodepd spredzy: repo setup
01:37 bodepd spredzy: b/c all of the modules require it
01:38 mgagne spredzy: it's like oslo, you don't see anything specific to an openstack project in there, even less a feature requiring knowledge of all openstack projects
01:39 mgagne spredzy: and openstacklib::configs would require a dependency on ALL puppet modules which violate the principe a library
01:39 spredzy mgagne, understand the point.
01:39 spredzy The idea was to avoid people re inventing the wheel on their composition module, for common stuff
01:39 spredzy configs,  in bodepd repo setup, etc...
01:39 mgagne spredzy: and would require ALL packages of all services to be installed
01:40 spredzy case*
01:40 mgagne spredzy: what we can do is include nova::configs in nova::init so it's always included
01:40 mgagne bodepd: what do you think about it? ^
01:41 * spredzy looking at nova::init
01:42 gildub bodepd, can we consider generalizing to all puppet-openstack modules the puppet support for version > 2.7.x ?
01:45 spredzy mgagne, does all the nova related class include nova::init ? Else the same problem remains
01:45 gildub bodepd, thinking about the mailing list...
01:45 mgagne spredzy: have you try using ONE of the nova class without nova::init?
01:45 mgagne spredzy: good luck with that
01:45 spredzy mgagne, nop I am asking out of knowledge here
01:45 mgagne spredzy: nova::init should be included with all other classes
01:45 mgagne spredzy: but there is still thing with puppet where you cannot define a class twice
01:45 spredzy mgagne, using include does not solve it ?
01:45 mgagne spredzy: and you can run into weird issues if the class is included but then redefined with class { 'nova': } elsewhere
01:46 spredzy :/
01:46 spredzy ok so not as straightforward as I would initially thought
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02:43 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Pin neutron gem versions for stable branch  https://review.openstack.org/99552
02:58 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Pin neutron gem versions for stable branch  https://review.openstack.org/99554
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05:21 bodepd mgagne: I don't really care where stuff goes, I just want there to be a place
05:21 bodepd mgagne: so that we can start collecting it
05:22 bodepd mgagne: what is nova::init?
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05:50 mgagne bodepd: nova::init -> init.pp
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06:09 EmilienM good morning
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06:50 bodepd mgagne: oh, I've heard of that before :)
06:54 arnaud_orange morning
07:21 openstackgerrit Ricardo Rocha proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceph: add ceph-extras repository.  https://review.openstack.org/96065
07:47 openstackgerrit Ricardo Rocha proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceph: add ceph-extras repository.  https://review.openstack.org/96065
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08:44 EmilienM michchap: are you deploying SSL endpoints for OpenStack API & RabbitMQ ?
09:22 michchap EmilienM: no :(
09:23 EmilienM michchap: i'm doing it now, first by adding a reverse proxy in frontend to translate HTTPS to HTTP
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09:24 michchap EmilienM: nginx? pound?
09:24 EmilienM michchap: maybe haproxy
09:24 EmilienM i'm looking now
09:24 michchap EmilienM: only very new versions of HAProxy can do that.
09:24 EmilienM yeah
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11:29 EmilienM arnaud_orange: hey, I just reviewed your patch, which is very interesting
11:30 arnaud_orange EmilienM: nice, thank you
11:31 arnaud_orange I think both cases are tested,
11:32 arnaud_orange first one is tested here: https://github.com/arnaudmorinol/puppet-neutron/blob/master/spec/classes/neutron_services_fwaas_spec.rb#L47
11:32 arnaud_orange second one here : https://github.com/arnaudmorinol/puppet-neutron/blob/master/spec/classes/neutron_services_fwaas_spec.rb#L61
11:33 EmilienM arnaud_orange: what i'm asking is to test with "should contain_package"
11:33 arnaud_orange EmilienM: oh, ok
11:33 EmilienM arnaud_orange: i'm the author of this file, I should have add more tests in a first
11:33 EmilienM but now you want to trick some things, it's better to add it
11:34 EmilienM to confirm the expected behavior
11:34 arnaud_orange EmilienM: ok, no pb, let me try
11:34 EmilienM arnaud_orange: cool!
11:43 EmilienM michchap: fvollero: I would like another eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94457/
11:43 EmilienM I don't want to +A since all reviewer work for my company, I don't want to be that guy
11:43 dvorak can I get some eyes on this review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99554/
11:43 EmilienM dvorak: looking
11:43 dvorak it's the Gemfile lock for stable/icehouse for neutron
11:44 EmilienM ah yes
11:44 EmilienM that one
11:44 dvorak err, Gemfile pin
11:44 EmilienM I've looked at it
11:44 EmilienM i prefer to let this kind of patch to mgagne or Chris Hoge
11:44 dvorak I'm not tied to this way of fixing the problem, I just want to get it taken care of
11:44 dvorak ok, I'll follow up with them
11:47 arnaud_orange EmilienM: may I ask you a question about your spec?
11:47 EmilienM arnaud_orange: anytime
11:48 arnaud_orange those lines: https://github.com/arnaudmorinol/puppet-neutron/blob/master/spec/classes/neutron_services_fwaas_spec.rb#L40-L43
11:48 arnaud_orange it's a kind of loop against each params
11:48 arnaud_orange but you don't take care of the params pair inside it
11:48 arnaud_orange am i right?
11:50 EmilienM arnaud_orange: yes you're right, I did wrong and "params_hash.each_pair" is really useless here.
11:50 arnaud_orange ok, I will propose a rewrite on this part a well with my patch, is it ok?
11:51 EmilienM arnaud_orange: awesome
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12:10 michchap EmilienM: done. only doc issues.
12:11 EmilienM michchap: sorry?
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12:11 michchap EmilienM: you linked me to a patch on live migration to review.
12:11 michchap EmilienM: or am I going crazy?
12:12 EmilienM michchap: ah yeah
12:12 EmilienM right
12:12 EmilienM i wanted another eye, to avoid saying "enovance guys merge patchs"
12:13 michchap EmilienM: I wouldn't worry too much about that.
12:13 EmilienM michchap: some people do :)
12:16 michchap EmilienM: fair enough :)
12:17 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: Ensure ssl wsgi_process_group is the same as wsgi_daemon_process  https://review.openstack.org/98731
12:18 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-horizon: Ensure ssl wsgi_process_group is the same as wsgi_daemon_process  https://review.openstack.org/98731
12:24 openstackgerrit Arnaud Morin proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add vpnaas_agent_package parameter to FWaaS  https://review.openstack.org/99440
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12:56 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-horizon: Ensure ssl wsgi_process_group is the same as wsgi_daemon_process  https://review.openstack.org/98731
13:01 openstackgerrit Yanis Guenane proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Fix puppet-neutron rspec test for RSpec >= 3.0.0  https://review.openstack.org/99653
13:08 spredzy Question: on puppet-neutron stable/icehouse, there is a review that pins (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99554) the gems in the Gemfile to avoid rspec 3.x issues, but on master a patch was submitted to adapt it (be_false -> be_falsey). We (sbadia and I) were wondering what was the appropriate behavior to adpots for stable/icehouse ? Backport the already existing commit, or use  the new commit that pins gems ?
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13:23 michchap spredzy: which would you prefer?
13:24 spredzy michchap, None per se. The conversation we had with sbadia is that the good thing with the backport is that it forms part of the current master. But since it is a stable branch a pin was acceptables
13:26 michchap spredzy: I feel like backporting the fix is the right option so that future backports have less chance of needing to be fixed up.
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13:27 spredzy dvorak, ping
13:30 michchap dvorak: I think your pull request against puppet-galera might need a rebase - I can't merge it.
13:35 dvorak michchap: ok, I'll take a look
13:35 dvorak spredzy: ?
13:35 dvorak spredzy: I don't think we should update tests for stable branch other than to address bugs or backported features
13:36 spredzy dvorak, anything against backporting rather than pinning (ie. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99554)
13:36 dvorak spredzy: I don't think this is just an issue for neutron
13:37 dvorak rather, it was my assumption that this work will have to be done for several of the modules, I'll check a few real quick
13:37 spredzy dvorak, I agree that it needs to be done for most of them
13:38 dvorak I personally feel like it makes sense to test stable releases against the test suite they were originally tested against.  I don't think it's a good idea to change the test suite after they're supposed to be stable
13:39 dvorak nova works, but has 575 deprecation warnings
13:39 dvorak which is a lot of spam to dig through if something does fail
13:41 dvorak my proposal would be that we pin deps using ~> to just allow bug fix releases in major modules before a stable release is made.  this means the burden of updating tests won't fall on random people that happen to submit a bugfix
13:41 dvorak and breaking changes won't happen when no one is looking
13:41 dvorak like has happened this time
13:42 dvorak glance works, 235 deprecation warnings
13:43 dvorak keystone works, 216 deprecation warnings
13:44 dvorak so given those spot checks, it seems possible that neutron is the only one with failures.
13:48 dvorak michchap: I see the problem, I'll rebase
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13:50 spredzy dvorak, it makes sense then.
13:50 sbadia yup it make sens (testing stable branch with the same test suite)
13:50 spredzy dvorak, I'll abandon my review.
13:52 fvollero EmilienM: Sure thing Sir.
13:52 EmilienM cool
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14:04 michchap dvorak: ty. will merge tomorrow.
14:05 dvorak no rush, thanks for taking a look :)
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14:34 openstackgerrit David Gurtner proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-ceph: Configuring all dependencies in the manifests  https://review.openstack.org/98671
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15:30 arnaud_orange The fwaas puppet file in using a variable from init.pp. See: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-neutron/blob/13b2c9aa6fa9a772276e498ca902ecb394672b95/manifests/services/fwaas.pp#L42
15:30 arnaud_orange How can I populate this variable in the spec file?
15:31 arnaud_orange adding in platform_params does not work
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15:55 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-cinder: SSL for communication between cinder and rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/99696
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16:01 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-cinder: SSL for communication between cinder and rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/99696
16:02 openstackgerrit Arnaud Morin proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add vpnaas_agent_package parameter to FWaaS  https://review.openstack.org/99440
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16:07 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Enable neutron server to be run in SSL mode  https://review.openstack.org/99130
16:07 openstackgerrit Lukas Bezdicka proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: SSL for communication between neutron and rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/99702
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16:14 openstackgerrit Mathieu Gagné proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-openstack-specs: Common OpenStack Configuration Provider  https://review.openstack.org/99524
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18:31 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Added '' as a valid value for gateway_ip  https://review.openstack.org/97957
18:45 dvorak anyone running neutron in an environment with multiple regions?  looks like the neutron_net provider may not handle that very well
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18:59 dvorak it appears the neutron provider just isn't region aware
19:03 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-neutron: SSL for communication between neutron and rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/99702
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19:04 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Enable neutron server to be run in SSL mode  https://review.openstack.org/99130
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19:13 mgagne michchap: ping
19:14 mgagne michchap: oops, hold on, still testing :D
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19:55 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Pin neutron gem versions for stable branch  https://review.openstack.org/99748
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20:02 mgagne michchap: alright, I "fixed" the ceilometer db migration issue
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23:40 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add multi-region support  https://review.openstack.org/99801
23:47 openstackgerrit Clayton O'Neill proposed a change to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Add multi-region support  https://review.openstack.org/99801
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