Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #puppet-openstack, 2014-08-27

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08:52 beddari michchap_: are you set at inventing another yaml format? :) reading up from yesterday
08:54 michchap_ beddari: I haven't been working on packaging the past week so I'm no further along than when we last spoke. I will try for a data format first (yaml imo is the best), and fall back to something else if it can't be done elegantly in yaml.
08:55 beddari michchap_: I'd be happy to help out in any way possible, and I will be at the Summit ...
08:56 michchap_ beddari: I am making a soft commitment to have something to show by then.
08:56 beddari michchap_: yeah I saw that
08:57 michchap_ beddari: it's unfortunate - I would abandon the serf talk in place of spending more time on this if I could, but it's not really possible at this point
08:57 beddari michchap_: so why not go with what we're doing already :) pleaserun is ruby, make another input format for fpm-cookery, joining communities and efforts
08:58 beddari michchap_: have both Makefile/cookbook-style and definition style yaml in the same tool
08:58 michchap_ beddari: I have a browser tab permanently open on fpm-cookery. I haven't forgotten.
08:59 beddari michchap_: :) ... serf, although great and interesting, can wait hehe
08:59 beddari michchap_: this solves stuff today
08:59 michchap_ beddari: I need cross node orchestration today as well :)
09:00 beddari michchap_: saltstack you say? ;) *laughs*
09:00 michchap_ beddari: *sigh*
09:01 beddari michchap_: seen puppet apply+serf setup interesting ways, yes
09:01 beddari michchap_: not there yet myself, even if I do transport code+hieradata with rpms
09:02 michchap_ beddari: atm I just shunt a tarball around with the modules + data. It's not good because it doesn't pay attention to which data goes to which nodes.
09:03 michchap_ beddari: that's one thing that the puppetmaster does well.
09:04 beddari michchap_: tempted at saying "only"
09:04 beddari michchap_: but that is more of a philosophical thing than anythign else, I think edges should contain self-healing logic, as much as possible
09:05 beddari michchap_: been reading Mark Burgess hehe
09:05 michchap_ beddari: without recognising that name is this the 'anti-fragile' thing?
09:05 beddari michchap_: yes, he was the creator of CFengine before anyone knew they needed automation
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09:06 beddari michchap_: http://www.amazon.com/In-Search-Certainty-In​formation-Infrastructure-ebook/dp/B00ENEEWYO
09:07 beddari michchap_: all needed knowledge at the edge and eventual consistency thrumps all other approaches :) including orchestration
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09:09 michchap_ beddari: that seems like a reasonable goal, but orchestration is much easier to implement.
09:09 beddari michchap_: sure, until it falls down due to scale
09:11 beddari michchap_: infrastructure is non-deterministic by nature, what you orchestrated is not true ;)
09:11 beddari michchap_: well, back to work :P
09:12 michchap_ beddari: I don't disagree, but only so many hours in a day
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09:38 social can someone help me with this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116884/ ? I don't really understand the puppet unit test error for puppet 2.7, it does not look related to the patch
09:40 michchap_ social: there are problems with the gate right now
09:40 social michchap_: OK, thanks
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12:52 social where to poke puppetlabs people? especialy about puppetlabs-mysql module?
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13:34 gcha social: #puppet or #puppet-dev
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14:03 mgagne I'm confused: https://docs.puppetlabs.com/hiera/1/​variables.html#interpolation-tokens
14:03 mgagne "Hiera cannot interpolate an individual element of any array or hash, even if that element’s value is a string."
14:03 mgagne and later in the same document: "Within a data source, you can interpolate values into any string, whether it’s a standalone value or part of a hash or array value."
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14:14 EmilienM sbadia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116915/ is going to be merged
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14:42 dvorak michchap_: we're using ansible for orchestration.
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15:07 fvollero dvorak: nice :)
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15:20 Topic for #puppet-openstack is now Place to collaborate on Puppet/OpenStack tools: logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/puppet-openstack/today
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15:58 mdorman hoping to get this merged soonish now that gate is fixed.   requesting workflow steps, please.   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113671/
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17:41 ken_barber PSA: PuppetDB Release 2.2.0 is out. Structured facts support goodness :-). http://bit.ly/1tczuE4
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19:11 Hunner social: For module dev work you'll get more luck in #puppet-dev
19:11 Hunner #puppet is mostly about sysop stuff
19:11 Hunner (like puppet certs, puppetdb, git workflows, etc)
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20:36 mdorman hoping to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113671/ merged soon.  anyone available to take care of workflow task?  thanks.
20:37 EmilienM mdorman: looking now.
20:37 mdorman thank you
20:39 EmilienM mdorman: just curious, what auth do you use?
20:39 mdorman active directory
20:39 mdorman sorry need to drop off (on a flight) be back after above 10,000 ft :)
20:40 EmilienM mgagne:I think his patch is pretty safe and make sense. Though I would like another eye on this one
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20:42 mgagne EmilienM: I think so.
20:42 EmilienM great
20:42 * EmilienM approving then
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21:00 EmilienM mdorman: approved
21:01 mdorman fantastic, thank you
21:09 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-neutron: Makes kombu_ssl_* parameters optional when rabbit_use_ssl => true  https://review.openstack.org/113671
21:37 EmilienM cool, our gate is back again
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23:04 openstackgerrit A change was merged to stackforge/puppet-keystone: spec: rename token_flush spec file  https://review.openstack.org/115560
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