Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-04-20

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22:25 soniakeys bleh.  Not sure I did that right.  Is anyone around familiar with the markup for putting things in categories?
22:28 soniakeys I wanted to put a task in the "control structures" category.  I added {{Control Structures}} to the page.  That makes it show up on the Category:Control_Structures page, which seems good.
22:29 soniakeys It also puts the Control Structures sidebar on the page, which isn't quite what I expected.  And then it's not listed in the sidebar...
22:34 soniakeys maybe I should have added [[Category:Control Structures]]? instead?
22:34 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/​Category:Control_Structures
22:35 soniakeys right, but that page looks automatically generated.  I don't think I edit that page.
22:36 soniakeys lol..oh never mind...that was the bot
22:38 mikemol soniakeys: To put something in a category, the minimum syntax would be [[Category:the name of the category]].
22:38 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Cat​egory:the_name_of_the_category (Doesn't exist.)
22:38 mikemol If you want it to show up as a link, you say [[:Category:the name of the category]]
22:39 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/:Ca​tegory:the_name_of_the_category (Doesn't exist.)
22:39 mikemol And if you want to change the content of the link, [[:Category:the name of the category|the content of the link]]
22:39 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/:Ca​tegory:the_name_of_the_category|the_content_of_the_link
22:39 mikemol Methinks I've gone a bit outside fedaykin's coding. :)
22:39 soniakeys ah, ok.  I think I just want it categorized.  let's try that...
22:40 mikemol soniakeys: In general, though, for any category people are significantly interested in, using the template (as you did earlier) is generally better.
22:40 soniakeys because it adds the sidebar?
22:40 mikemol Using templates for keystone categories is helpful, because it lets us add markup (like that sidebar), and it leaves us flexibility to change how the site is organized later.
22:41 mikemol For example, I eventually want to move away from using categories, and instead use semantic properties.
22:41 mikemol The site's running Semantic Mediawiki, we just need to get more familiarity with the available feature set to use it properly.
22:43 soniakeys ah, good to know.  is there something I could do to use semantic properties, or is just using the template the way to let semantic properties do their thing?
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23:09 mwn3d_phone soniakeys: in case no one answered you yet...there isn't really much of a "way" to make SMW do its thing. If you can find a way let us know.
23:10 mwn3d_phone (Verizon doesn't do talk and internet at the same time and I called my mom so I got disconnected)
23:10 soniakeys lol.  (i went and read about it a little bit.)
23:10 soniakeys np
23:13 mwn3d_phone There was an effort by someone before to make a nice form for adding an example and adding a village pump topic.
23:13 mwn3d_phone That kinda fizzled and didn't work quite right.
23:13 mikemol If there's anything I can do serverside to make things easier, let me know.
23:14 mwn3d_phone It'd be neat to have a "tag" feature for tasks (slightly more general than a category idea) so we could search
23:14 mwn3d_phone But then we'd need a SMW tag search form
23:14 mwn3d_phone Should be a simple query but I don't know how to make the queries
23:14 mikemol mwn3d_phone: SMW properties are, more or less, tags in their own right.
23:15 soniakeys the "tag cloud" features on some sites are sure easy
23:15 mikemol Although if you wanted, you could say something like:
23:15 mwn3d_phone yeah I was just thinking to be explicit about it
23:15 mikemol [[tag::name of tag]], and keep an eye on [[Property::tag]].
23:15 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/tag::name_of_tag (Doesn't exist.)  http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Property::tag
23:15 mwn3d_phone Ooh a tag cloud would be cool
23:16 mwn3d_phone Nifty idea
23:16 mikemol Tag clouds worry me, because they direct work toward developed areas, and away from undeveloped areas.
23:16 mikemol That strikes me as unstable, as far as content development goes.
23:17 mwn3d_phone What if we also had a reverse tag cloud?
23:17 mikemol Although I guess you could have a "browse" which is a normal tag cloud, and a "contribute browse" which is a reverse tag cloud. :)
23:17 mikemol mwn3d_phone: You're smarter than your nick suggests. :P
23:17 mwn3d_phone Heh
23:18 mwn3d_phone Hmmmmmm....
23:19 mwn3d_phone We could use a duplicate property as part of the duplicate template
23:19 mwn3d_phone Same with merge
23:19 mwn3d_phone [[Duplicate of::other task]]
23:19 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wik​i/Duplicate_of::other_task (Doesn't exist.)
23:19 mwn3d_phone Oi...so much potential
23:19 mikemol mwn3d_phone: Rather than calling it a duplicate, I like Paddy's "c.f. [[some other page]].
23:19 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/some_other_page (Doesn't exist.)
23:20 mikemol [[similar::other task]]
23:20 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/similar::other_task (Doesn't exist.)
23:20 mikemol Because not all similar tasks are duplicates, even if they appear to be at first glance.
23:20 mwn3d_phone Well the duplicate template was a notification that one should be removed
23:20 mikemol See the discussion in [[Talk:Counting in Factors]] from yesterday.
23:20 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wik​i/Talk:Counting_in_Factors
23:20 * mikemol nods
23:21 mwn3d_phone Ok...gotta get a haircut now. I'll let these ideas float around a bit.
23:21 * mikemol waves

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