Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-05-16

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02:12 jriselvato howdy!
02:12 sorear hello, jriselvato.
02:17 jriselvato How are you doing?
02:19 sorear good
02:19 sorear welcome to #rosettacode.  How can we help you?
02:20 jriselvato Finally decided its a good time to add rosettacode to my xchat favorites that all. I don't really need help. Wasn't sure people discussed anything on here. Just came in to say howdy.
02:20 opticron this channel is usually pretty slow :)
02:21 sorear Like most channels, it alternates between "In use" and "Idle".
02:21 jriselvato I see, thats unfortunate. How often do people come in and ask for help?
02:22 mwn3d_phone A few times a week maybe. Most of this time its "village pump"-type talking.
02:22 jriselvato Not familiar with that term
02:22 mwn3d_phone That is...more heavy users talking about ways the site should work
02:23 mwn3d_phone (Stuff that usually shows up in the village pump pages on the actual site)
02:23 jriselvato Ah i got cha.
02:24 jriselvato Well i guess it doesn't hurt to keep the chat up though.
02:24 mwn3d_phone Talking is good
02:24 jriselvato Are you guys coders for RC?
02:25 mwn3d_phone Its just another avenue for people to get ahold of "the community"
02:25 mwn3d_phone Heh everyone is a coder for RC
02:25 mwn3d_phone Its open edit
02:26 mwn3d_phone mikemol runs the site. Most of us in here are long-time users.
02:26 jriselvato I mean, yeah i dig that. I was just wondering if the only people who really talk are staff of some sorts.
02:26 jriselvato Thats nice, i am only about 3 months new to the site. How long has it been around?
02:26 mwn3d_phone There's no staff. This is hobby only for everyone involved.
02:27 mwn3d_phone I forget already....07? Look at the earliest entry on the main page :p
02:28 jriselvato hah, alright. Well i really enjoy the site alot. It gives me something to test my skills on. Looking through topics and trying to do it in my language before looking at the source.
02:28 jriselvato Its a great idea of a site.
02:29 mwn3d_phone Thanks. Stick around. Tell your friends. Come in here and tell us what you'd like to see.
02:29 jriselvato I plan on it. I am trying to port alot of the subjects to Kite Programming language, once i make enough i plan on adding them to the wikis.
02:30 mwn3d_phone If you need help come here or check out the topics in the village pump.
02:31 mwn3d_phone There are directions on how to do things scattered about but there aren't too many rules
02:32 jriselvato I soon will. I don't really have any problems with the site or how it should be changed. But if anything comes up i'll be back. :]
02:32 jriselvato Thanks for entertaining me hah.
02:33 sorear I think the only thing anyone has ever been banned for was repeatedly and deliberately insulting other people
02:34 jriselvato Luckily i came here to become friends of the site.
02:35 jriselvato Oh nice, the Village Pump has a lot of ideas. Gives me something to program.
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02:40 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: does kite have a page?
02:40 mwn3d_phone [[Category:Kite]]
02:40 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Kite (Doesn't exist.)
02:40 mwn3d_phone Nope
02:40 mwn3d_phone You can set that up...there should be add a language directions...
02:41 mwn3d_phone [[Rosetta Code:Add a language]]
02:41 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/​Rosetta_Code:Add_a_language (Doesn't exist.)
02:41 mwn3d_phone Nope...not there...
02:41 jriselvato It doesn't have a page.
02:42 mwn3d_phone [[Rosetta Code:Add a Language]]
02:42 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/​Rosetta_Code:Add_a_Language
02:42 mwn3d_phone (Case problem)
02:43 jriselvato There you go.
02:43 jriselvato I am reading it now.
02:43 mwn3d_phone If you mess anything up we can correct it easily so don't feel too bad
02:43 jriselvato The language is rather unless, and more of a hobby language for like 5 people total? haha.
02:44 mwn3d_phone If it exists we'll take it
02:44 jriselvato Alright i'll work on the making of the page then :D
02:44 jriselvato http://www.kite-language.org/ for anyone who is interested
02:44 fedaykin "Articles – Kite Programming Language"
02:45 mwn3d_phone Maybe the language will hit it big and we will end up being the site that liked it before it was cool
02:47 jriselvato :D haha we could only hope right? hah made a Stub for the page!
02:48 opticron I'm thinking I need to tweak fedaykin to check for alternate cases and do autocorrection to the first one it finds that exists
02:48 opticron but then it'd be hitting the site multiple times
02:48 opticron maybe it could just hit the search page
02:51 jriselvato I guess i can add a hello world to the documentation right? Doesn't hurt.
02:52 jriselvato Are you allowed to copy actual wikipedia information and paste it? Or do i have to do my own write up of the language
02:54 jriselvato I'll just paraphrase tbh
02:54 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: I moved the page before you edit it. It was in the wrong namespace before.
02:55 mwn3d_phone Its here now: [[Category:Kite]]
02:55 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Category:Kite (Doesn't exist.)
02:55 mwn3d_phone ....what?
02:55 mwn3d_phone I just crated it....right?
02:56 jriselvato Ah you moved it to /wiki/kite
02:56 mwn3d_phone Yeah its there
02:56 jriselvato no more category
02:56 mwn3d_phone There's a category
02:56 mwn3d_phone Wiki/kite is just a redirect to that category
02:57 jriselvato Alright added a brief description of kite ^_^
02:59 jriselvato How do i add a link?
03:00 mwn3d_phone Single square brackets around it
03:00 mwn3d_phone There should be a "formatting" link under the edit box. That goes to a page that will show you wiki formatting.
03:01 jriselvato Ah alright i see
03:04 jriselvato hopefully i added the hello world correctly hah
03:04 jriselvato Yes! I did it. Nice, well now i am not intimated to help out on the wiki!
03:05 mwn3d_phone You can add the hello world program to [[Output/Text]]
03:05 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Output/Text (Doesn't exist.)
03:05 mwn3d_phone No...
03:06 mwn3d_phone [[User Output/Text]]
03:06 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/User_Output/Text (Doesn't exist.)
03:06 mwn3d_phone [[User output/Text]]
03:06 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/User_output/Text (Doesn't exist.)
03:06 mwn3d_phone Ugh...
03:06 mwn3d_phone I need a full computer
03:06 jriselvato wiki/Hello_world/Text
03:06 jriselvato http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Hello_world/Text#Kite
03:06 fedaykin "Hello world/Text - Rosetta Code"
03:07 jriselvato mwn3d you have to download all the packages probably the .deb make it easiest to install kite, if thats what your talking about
03:08 mwn3d_phone No I meant to find all the right page titles
03:11 jriselvato Got cha.
03:13 mwn3d_phone In any case...kickass so far. Keep adding examples.
03:15 jriselvato I need to program them first. I just finished some inheritance
03:19 jriselvato Am i allowed to have comments in my code like #made by John Riselvato?
03:21 mwn3d_phone I guess you're allowed. Its not really done sice there's a history for every page with the user who made each edit listed.
03:21 jriselvato oh alright.
03:26 jriselvato Ah.. damn.. Looks like the inheritance theme is Animals/dogs... Mines numbers, i am guessing you guys want it to stick to the same theme?
03:29 mwn3d_phone Yeah try to stay as similar as you can for comparison purposes
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03:30 jriselvato Yeah i am working on fixing it. No problems.
03:53 jriselvato Alright fixed up. Even had a chance to edit my profile
04:22 jriselvato Hey mwn3d_phone How do i add syntax colors to <lang kite>
04:26 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: that's a question for BenBE. He's in charge of GeSHi, the plugin we use for syntax highlighting.
04:27 mwn3d_phone I'm not sure how people get new languages added anymore
04:27 jriselvato Ah alright, is BenBE active with RC still?
04:30 mwn3d_phone Yeah. He manages the highlighter. He installs updates for us. He's part of the actual GeSHi project (its on sourceforge I believe).
04:30 mwn3d_phone You can catch him here or on his userpage on RC (same username)
04:30 jriselvato oh i see. Alright i'll contact him then.
04:31 jriselvato Btw do you really know all the commands of brainf***
04:32 mwn3d_phone Lol there are only 8
04:32 mwn3d_phone < > . , + - [ ]
04:32 jriselvato ah clever.
04:33 jriselvato I never had a chance to look into bf, but from what i saw it didn't appeal.
04:33 mwn3d_phone If you have a loose definition of "fun"...that's a fun language
04:33 mwn3d_phone It lives up to its name. Most programs will fuck with your brain.
04:36 jriselvato It would classify as useless but for fun. But i agree, it would be interesting to try learning.
04:37 mwn3d_phone Its the othello of programming languages: a minute to learn, a lifetime to master
04:39 jriselvato ah, did you make that up?
04:40 mwn3d_phone No. Its the slogan for the board game "othello" (a.k.a. reversi).
04:41 jriselvato haha, i see. Othello, i wonder if any of my mates play it. Well i like that saying. Thanks for introducing it.
04:44 jriselvato Hmm, just found Othello online. I never heard of this game. Crazy.. looks interesting
04:45 jriselvato is it like go?
04:49 jriselvato hmm interesting. I get how to play now. Looks like i found a new past time. haha Thanks again
05:10 jriselvato I dislike you sir. I can't manage to beat novice... Now my only goal for the night is to win one game.. haha Can't sleep until i beat novice computer
05:11 jriselvato i know the trick is not to allow the opponent to get the corners, but i never get set up to allow my self to obtain the corners
05:50 jriselvato Hmm... Othello is killing me, i am disappointed. I am not going to program until I have the ability to win 3 games in a row in novice..
06:03 jriselvato Yess! Finally won one game :D ahh
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06:26 jriselvato Hmm... two games down. 900 loses
06:26 jriselvato I love this game..
07:26 jriselvato Good news, after several hours later, i managed to beat the computer 3 times in a row! haha Othello, you did well. I enjoy playing you!
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13:21 mikemol sorear: Yeah, and only one person ever had to be banned that way.
13:21 mikemol (Not counting hack attacks and spambots, of course)
13:22 mikemol opticron: You can query MW for a JSON listing of categories. Not sure if you can do the same for pages.
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14:11 jriselvato Good Morning
14:11 mikemol Morning. :)
14:11 mikemol jriselvato: Sorry I missed you earlier. I sleep, sometimes. :)
14:12 mikemol jriselvato: I'm Short Circuit on the wiki.
14:14 mikemol RC's admin structure is pretty simple. I pay the bills, so, if I choose, what I say goes. Generally, though, I only step in if it looks like some kind of social moderator needs to step in, or if I think something is moving RC in the wrong direction.
14:14 jriselvato Yeah i was semi introduced to the name. Nice to meet you.
14:15 mikemol Your name sounds very familiar. I think I may know (or have known) you outside an RC context.
14:15 mikemol Do you go by 'jrisel' anywhere?
14:15 jriselvato well i respect the authority
14:15 jriselvato Hmm.. NC linux user group?
14:16 mikemol I was thinking more along social networking sites like Slashdot or Multiply.
14:17 jriselvato this irc and crunchbang forums are the only place i have this name actually.
14:17 jriselvato thanks for introducing me to slashdot now!
14:18 mikemol For the most part, I don't actually hold authority on RC. Compared to the subject matter, I know far, far less than most of the regulars. The only thing I'm normally comfortable using my status for is in resolving friction between confident people who disagree with each other. (And even then, it's just implicit)
14:18 mikemol ouch
14:19 mikemol As far as Slashdot...be very careful not to assume the folks there are right, or even have the right general mindset. The groupthink there is very, very strong.
14:19 jriselvato thanks for the warning. haha
14:21 jriselvato do you make any money from rc?
14:22 mikemol I wish...
14:22 mikemol No, I've got a day job, just like most people.
14:22 mikemol Actually at work, right now, reviewing a proposed spec.
14:23 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: we do accept donations to keep the site running though
14:23 * mikemol nods
14:23 mwn3d_phone There's a paypal donate button buried somewhere
14:23 mwn3d_phone Or you can buy swag
14:24 jriselvato Good morning mwn3d. I saw i could get a fancy tie for 32$
14:24 mikemol I really need to update the financial pages. I think I've been through two prgmr payments since then.
14:24 mikemol Yeah, I need to clean that tie up.
14:24 mikemol I'm really not happy with any of the swag.
14:25 mikemol With CafePress, I can reasonably get a dollar profit. With zazzle, I can get a bit more, but I don't know if I like the prices any better.
14:26 mikemol If you want an RC-themed item, by all means, buy swag. If all you want to do is support RC with money, then the donate link is far more efficient.
14:26 mikemol I'm all in favor of people walking around wearing RC advertising, though. :)
14:26 mikemol I suppose what I *should* do is get a pack of shirts for drop-ship, and send out a shirt to whoever donates.
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14:28 jriselvato its a way of compensation. I will surely offer some thanks in the future when thing are not so tapped.
14:28 jriselvato You could pull a wikipedia and set up a fund raiser and set the bar high lol.
14:29 mikemol jriselvato: It took me three *years* before I swallowed my pride and set up a donate button.
14:31 jriselvato ah yeah. I can understand that. the thing is this is the internet and everything seems to take donations. didnt even phase me see it on rc.
14:31 mikemol Right now, though, I'm not hurting, RC's not hurting (even though expense exceeds income, we're talking about around $50/mo, and there's still a fair amount banked), so the most awesome thing you can do for us is add your knowledge pool, and draw more folks in. :)
14:31 jriselvato also seems on the internet everyone enjoys acting in donatng.
14:32 mwn3d_phone Eventually we may be able to set it up as a write-off-able donation
14:32 mwn3d_phone That seems to take a lot of hoop-jumping though
14:33 mwn3d_phone And some waiting
14:33 mikemol mwn3d_phone: I chatted with some folks about that. The thing is, unless we're talking about a few thousand dollars per year, it's really not worth the expense to set it up.
14:33 * mikemol crunches numbers for a minute
14:33 jriselvato I actually managed the Kite programming language developer to sign up yesterday. but unfortunate;y he is about the only person i semi know to share rc with.
14:34 jriselvato 1600 something
14:34 jriselvato members*
14:35 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: seems like a good guy to get though
14:35 mwn3d_phone mikemol: as in it'd only be worth it if we received a few thousand a year?
14:35 mikemol Off the cuff, it looks like RC costs somewhere between $650/yr.
14:36 mikemol I couldn't justify trying to pull in enough annual in donations to make 501(3)c worthwhile.
14:36 mikemol That's server costs, of course, not my time.
14:36 mikemol But I'd need a better revenue model than donations to try to use RC as a paycheck.
14:36 jriselvato The main reason why i started using xchat and added rosettacode to my favorite is because i am trying to increase my programming acquaintances.
14:37 jriselvato I actually booted up xchat for the first time yesterday. Seems like it was a good idea. I have learned already so much from the python, crunchbang and RC channels.
14:37 mikemol jriselvato: RC is a good way to do that. Your local LUG is probably also another good way. See also ##proggit.
14:38 mikemol You should also see if there's a BarCamp in your area.
14:38 jriselvato Whats a BarCamp?
14:39 mikemol http://barcamp.org/w/page/402984/FrontPage
14:39 fedaykin "BarCamp / FrontPage"
14:39 jriselvato Ah google soved that.
14:39 mikemol In my area, we have BarCampGR, which I'm on the organizer group for.
14:39 jriselvato Here is my http://barcamp.org/w/page/401431/BarCampRDU
14:39 fedaykin "BarCamp / BarCampRDU"
14:39 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: there's probably one in raleigh if you're still in the wake forest area (saw it on your website)
14:40 mikemol Sounds like a good event to go to.
14:41 jriselvato I am member of my LUG. The issue is, everyone in my lug is like.. 30+, i am 19. Its hard it seems for people to take me seriously for some reason. Although I did find my first internship through the LUG and i actually just got a Job interview this Wednesday through the LUG.
14:42 mikemol jriselvato: In a LUG, and in programming in general, the easiest way to get people to take you seriously is to have something you can point to and say 'that is mine, I was integral to that.'
14:43 mwn3d_phone RC would be good for that
14:43 mikemol Though in our LUG, someone who was looking to hire people put together an aptitude quiz, complete with a high scores board, which had some pretty neat results.
14:43 jriselvato Yeah, i some times put in my words to talks as well. I don't have anything at the moment i can say "look this is me".
14:44 mwn3d_phone I'm actually considering putting my "work" on RC on my resume
14:44 jriselvato I was actually thinking the same. About the Kite page and all.
14:44 jriselvato my LUG time is on my resume i think as well.
14:45 mikemol jriselvato: Another thing you can do to improve your programming skillset, I think, is run Gentoo. It's remarkable how much one can learn when not everything is done for you...
14:46 jriselvato I probably could use the experience with Gentoo. I am rather familiar with Linux in general though.
14:46 mikemol The trick there, though, is to not fall into a 'ricer' mentality. Gentoo's speed is nice, sure, but that's not its best feature. :)
14:46 mikemol jriselvato: Crunchbang's built on Debian, right?
14:47 jriselvato It is, which is spoon feeding us i know.
14:47 mikemol I used Debian and/or Ubuntu as my primary OS from 1999 until late last year.
14:47 jriselvato I have built debian servers before, and worked many of hour infront of terminal events and SSH times.
14:48 mikemol I don't have anything against Debian or Ubuntu users; if that's the tool one needs, then that's the tool one needs.
14:49 mikemol However, if one wants to be knowledgable, I think it helps to understand the things you don't normally pay attention to.
14:49 opticron I hear arch is pretty awesome, but I'm too lazy to switch distros atm
14:49 sorear hello, jriselvato
14:50 jriselvato I have printed off the Arch install guide both noobie and normal, and its a rather big stack. haha. I plan on building arch one day when i have a computer that supports it.
14:50 mikemol I used arch for a bit. It's nice; like Gentoo without quite as much configuration and customization, and (obviously) without as much compiling.
14:50 jriselvato Arch is like my dream OS to run.
14:50 mikemol Both the Arch and Gentoo user support communities are superb, IME.
14:50 jriselvato Howdy sorear!
14:50 sorear jriselvato: FWIW, you're in the same state as YAPC::NA 2011
14:51 * mikemol nods
14:51 mikemol jriselvato: You should go.
14:51 jriselvato I need to go take a shower, and start help packing my room. Family is in the process of moving. I'll be on later. I'll catch you kids later. Thanks!
14:52 mikemol Pretty sure he said he's 19, but he calls *us* kids? :P
14:53 jriselvato haha, i hope up coming programmers call me a kid once i am above 30. that would make my day.
14:54 jriselvato I always want to be a Kid, don't want to give my life up as a boring adult.
14:54 mikemol jriselvato: There's no need to be boring as an adult. :)
14:54 jriselvato I'll lose my love for imagination and creation i think.
14:54 mikemol I may be a 27-year-old jaded cynic, but I've still got some imagination and creativity left, I think. :)
14:56 jriselvato Haha, 27 isn't that old is it? Thats the age i have set in my head that i want to be in a steady job, and a home.
14:56 jriselvato 8 years from now, seems like a long time, but its still not in the 40.
14:57 mikemol No, 27 isn't old. Neither is 30, 40 or 50, in my book. The chief thing to do is to not stop doing and achieving the things you want to do and achieve.
14:57 jriselvato Even then 40s you can still be a young minded person, look at Obey (shepard fairy
14:59 jriselvato Ah gosh, time has always been a uneasy topic for me. I don't want to grow up. Don't get my wrong though at 19, i play the role, maybe.
14:59 jriselvato Actually i don't even act like a 19 year old. I am more worried about my future and building a resume for myself then having fun. haha.
15:00 jriselvato But thats only because I don't want to be struggling when i am older. That way i can have more 'play' and 'fun' in my later years.
15:00 mikemol The one thing you really need to figure out is responsibility; be able to take care of yourself, be accountable for your actions, and follow through on commitments. Everything else is whatever you care to do.
15:01 opticron jriselvato, that's the path that I've taken
15:02 opticron I was as serious and forward thinking as necessary to get myself through college
15:02 jriselvato Thanks mikemol, i think those are exactly the way i want to live my life. Just never put it in words.
15:02 jriselvato How did it work out for you opticron?
15:02 opticron I now have a decent job and enough disposable income to live comfortably
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15:03 opticron I could make quite a bit more, but my job has perks...like coming in wearing shorts and a tshirt any day of the week
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15:04 jriselvato Thats one of the reasons why i want to get into the programming field. I want the ability to look how ever i want, but be known for my skill and that why I am in the position. Also be able to clean up when needed.
15:04 opticron honestly, half my college classes were a complete waste of time, but having that degree opens a lot of doors that might otherwise be closed
15:04 opticron exactly
15:05 opticron a lot of the older programmers where I work are all self taught and don't have degrees
15:05 opticron and still make nice wages
15:05 opticron but they also have gobs of experience in programming and in the community (OSS)
15:07 jriselvato Unfortunately my programming motivation is else were. I don't want to work for someone. I want to build a product myself, and be my own boss. Thats why i mainly study so much on programming and computers in general. I am only in school to not get kicked out of my house. I have an issue with schooling tbh, but i know i need the degrees. School is my fall back plan for some reason. I can't get it out of my  head that school is only
15:07 jriselvato going to get my a job, but I am the only one who can create what i want. Not sure exactly how to say it, but I don't feel school will put my in the place I want to me. Its messed up, i read to many books probably.
15:08 jriselvato oh look a wall..
15:08 sorear a wall?
15:08 jriselvato a Wall of text*
15:08 mikemol jriselvato: I started RC while I was still in college. Nothing says you can't take on interesting and useful extracurriculars while in school.
15:08 sorear I'm 20, still not really sure what I want to do
15:09 opticron I did robotics all through HS and college
15:09 sorear right now I think I'm going to try and get a programming BS or something
15:09 opticron really good experience
15:09 opticron touch the mechanical, electric, and code all at once
15:09 mikemol As for me, I spent five years getting a two-year degree, taking any and every class that looked interesting. For a job, I tutored other students.
15:10 opticron I ended up getting an electrical engineering degree because I can learn to code from the internet, but those classes afforded me access to specialized hardware and simulation software
15:10 jriselvato I am working on a product now, which hopefully takes off well enough that going to school is because I can now learn what I want. Not taking classes because Its part of the needed.
15:11 mikemol There's an organization in my area called The Geek Group which, if they manage to carry their mission, will be able to provide those specialized tools to whoever wants to use them.
15:13 jriselvato The internet is were i learned all of my programming skills, if any. Thats why I think I don't need school because i can learn exactly what companies want from the internet. Degrees is just putting an assurance i guess on my skills.
15:13 mikemol I've been around there a few times, participated some, and now am mostly holding back on the periphery. Not enough time to do that as well as the large number of other things I want or need to do.
15:13 jriselvato what "specialized tools"?
15:14 mikemol (And I need to see what it looks like once it's settled down before I'm sure it's an environment I'll be comfortable in)
15:15 mikemol jriselvato: Software (CAD, etc), hardware (CNC, full woodworking and metalworking shops), and there are even plans for a chem lab. Most of what they demo right now revolves around electrical engineering subjects, though.
15:18 jriselvato I see, how did you find out about the group? I wonder if there is something along the lines near me.
15:21 jriselvato Ishh. I have to go, my father is getting impatient with lagging in motivation to pack. I'll be back later. Enjoy your days! Catch you.
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15:32 opticron mikemol, the geek group sounds like a hacker/makerspace
15:32 opticron I'm involved with one locally
15:32 opticron it's...interesting
15:33 opticron jriselvato, the purpose of a degree (for companies) is proof that you can be trained and that you can maintain focus
15:34 opticron the material is outdated in < 5 years for the more fast paced fields
15:34 mikemol opticron: More or less. Their goal is to be the largest in the world. They'll probably achieve that, but I don't know whether or not they'll remain solvent, or whether or not their administration structure will be conducive to broad ranges of activity.
15:35 mikemol In my experience with them, they're very, very protective of their domains, and I got bit a few times trying to help clean up things that really needed to be cleaned up.
15:35 opticron we have the same problem
15:36 opticron cleaning up gets interpreted as "throwing away things I need"
15:36 mikemol That's not what I'm talking about.
15:36 mikemol I'm talking more about internal and externally-facing software infrastructure.
15:36 opticron oh
15:37 opticron we have one or two guys managing that right now
15:37 mikemol It's more a "I/we've been doing this for X amount time, and why do think you might possibly know more than me/us?"
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15:38 opticron people are entrenched
15:39 mikemol I think it was more a matter of pride in what was built given the time and resources available, and offense taken from critique.
15:41 opticron I've seen that
15:42 mikemol I've done that *myself* wrt Rosetta Code.
15:42 opticron I've been on one or both sides of that
16:39 mwn3d_phone We apparently have a pari/gp lang tag project going on
16:40 mwn3d_phone Right before that crgreathouse put some programming languages in the mathematics category (previously used for tasks). Not sure how I feel about that.
16:52 mikemol mwn3d_phone: As long as such categorization is done with tags, not categories, I don't see a problem. Either will functionally work for applying role metadata to language pages, but I strongly prefer using the semantic markup over the category markup.
16:57 mwn3d_phone It was straight categories
17:05 mikemol It would be a good idea to poke him, then, and point him toward the semantic features.
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