Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-05-19

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02:47 jriselvato Good night RC
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13:38 Jdriselvato[RCo] Howdy guys, mikemol or mwn3d_phone online?
13:39 mikemol Jdriselvato[RCo]: I'm more or less always online.
13:39 mikemol Question is whether or not I'm available
13:39 mikemol What's up?
13:39 Jdriselvato[RCo] Ah how you doing today?
13:39 Jdriselvato[RCo] Nothing much. Kind of wanted your personal thoughts.
13:41 Jdriselvato[RCo] I sent my resume in to IBM two days ago, got a response, "These are long term contracting positions supporting IBM Amtrak Account as Level 1 helpdesk entry level, 9-10 per hr." My resume, i think, shows that i am overly qualified.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/48700701/Resume-2011
13:41 Jdriselvato[RCo] What do you think i should do, deny it?
13:41 Jdriselvato[RCo] I am not exactly hurting for a job, but I want to get IBM on my resume, but Helpdesk is not exactly the idea...
13:47 mwn3d_phone jriselvato: it might be because you don't have specific programming experience listed. I see "scripts" and "python programming" but there are no examples.
13:49 Jdriselvato[RCo] I sent them my site though.
13:49 Jdriselvato[RCo] Which i pointed out had examples.
13:50 Jdriselvato[RCo] I think they probably don't need programming.
13:50 Jdriselvato[RCo] "Understands several programming Languages (Python, Java, LUA, ActionScript, Ruby, Kite,Rexx, HTML5, CSS3)" I think thats more then enough languages. Plus i know REXX, a IBM language no less..
13:51 Jdriselvato[RCo] Only reason why i learn REXX was to impress IBM
13:51 Jdriselvato[RCo] ughh, should i feel this insulted?
13:51 mwn3d_phone I have my website listed on my resume for "additional examples" but I still have some described on the resume
13:51 mwn3d_phone You can't assume that they'll go to your website
13:51 mwn3d_phone They probably won't.
13:52 mwn3d_phone I have a google page so it has google analytics on it
13:52 mwn3d_phone Not many of the places I applied to went to my website
13:52 Jdriselvato[RCo] Do you mind sharing your Resume with me?
13:53 Jdriselvato[RCo] Or explain to me how you describe it?
13:53 mwn3d_phone I don't have it in an accessible place right now...
13:54 Jdriselvato[RCo] http://pastebin.com/4yiiCLYh
13:54 mwn3d_phone I list my skills, my school and personal projects (separated by language), then my work experience
13:54 Jdriselvato[RCo] Sort of like this?
13:55 mwn3d_phone At the top is my school, degree, GPA, and scholastic awards (deans list and such)
13:55 mwn3d_phone Yeah like that
13:57 mwn3d_phone And I've heard different things from different people about limiting it to one page
13:57 Jdriselvato[RCo] I see... I guess it doesn't hurt to spice up my Resume.
13:57 mwn3d_phone If you send it to a recruiter they will probably cut it up and paste it all in their own format anyway
13:57 mwn3d_phone My school said keep it to one page if you can
13:58 mwn3d_phone But since its mostly electronic now it doesn't seem to matter as much
13:58 Jdriselvato[RCo] Does that mean change font size ;]
13:58 mwn3d_phone I've done that and I've changed the margins :p
14:00 Jdriselvato[RCo] Hmmm. Well I have an interview with this company next week for a Django/python Job, if that goes as planned, i'll forget about IBM. Otherwise I mine as well take the IBM helpdesk. Theres always a chance to promotion to another area..
14:00 mwn3d_phone Just try to be concise and efficient. They have a ton of resumes to read and you want them to get as much info as possible before they get bored and move on
14:02 Jdriselvato[RCo] I envy that you made it on the deans list. ha, the only thing my resume will ever contain is personal experience and Job experience. I don't have enough glory is schooling.
14:05 Jdriselvato[RCo] I am thinking after I get my 2 year, just getting certificates
14:07 mwn3d_phone After 2 years you'll know how "the system" works at college. Its easier to get good grades once you figure out what the professors want.
14:07 Jdriselvato[RCo] I have 3 or 4 more classes left in my 2 year.
14:08 Jdriselvato[RCo] I want to take classes I know i can rape, instead of classes for a degree that only gives you a title. Least with certifications It shows that you have experience and you are able to get a certification to prove it.
14:09 mwn3d_phone I don't have any certifications. I went for the title. I'm not sure what people think of cert vs a 4 year degree
14:10 mwn3d_phone Once you get the technical interview that doesn't really matter
14:10 mwn3d_phone But you have to get through the HR people before that
14:12 Jdriselvato[RCo] At the moment after i get mt 2 year, i'll be several amounts of money in debt. I'll be throwing more on top of that if I keep going for my 4. I have this idea that if i have certs i can manage to pick up a job pay off my debt then start thinking about taking online/night classes for my 4 year.
14:14 mwn3d_phone I never wanted to be the creepy adult student :p
14:15 Jdriselvato[RCo] I am still 19, i have a years before that. Your mid20s?
14:15 mwn3d_phone 23
14:15 mwn3d_phone Almost 24
14:15 * Hypftier feels old. Yet I'm still in university :|
14:16 mwn3d_phone Graduate degree?
14:16 Hypftier working on my diploma thesis, so I'll finish in October or so with the equivalent of a Master's
14:17 mwn3d_phone A bunch of my friends stayed to do their maters....poor souls
14:18 Hypftier the problem is, even though all universities here now do Bachelor/Master only, the people who graduate with a B.Sc. won't find a job. At least not in Germany, as long as there are still people with a Dipl. around
14:18 mwn3d_phone They were going for the money I guess though
14:18 Jdriselvato[RCo] maters, cant wait to get one of those. :P
14:19 Jdriselvato[RCo] Hypftier: I have found it that if you Join your local linux usergroup, 9/10 times if you put yourself out there looking for a Job, theres always a company looking for someone full time to contracted.
14:20 mwn3d_phone I told them they should put up a motto on the door to the graduate lab....a quote from spaceballs: "we're not doing this for the money.....we're doing it for A SHITLOAD OF MONEY!"
14:20 Jdriselvato[RCo] haha, it seems spaceballs always manages to have a quote for every situation
14:21 mwn3d_phone One of them told me they'd rather go with "I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes."
14:22 mwn3d_phone Another told me its not really that much more money
14:23 Jdriselvato[RCo] I really just want to get into the work force, i don't want to spend another 4 years in school when i can be doing what i love for a living.
14:24 Jdriselvato[RCo] I think that if i have the skills and the motivation to work my ass off, it will pay off in the company or future jobs.
14:24 Jdriselvato[RCo] Which i always have it seems. I just ran into a company that crashed and filed bankrupt.
14:25 Jdriselvato[RCo] Now i am trying to transfer my skills to a new place, i'll find something soon, hopefully.
14:28 Jdriselvato[RCo] Tbh i am going to get a python, PHP/sql, database administration and linux/unix system administration certification. Each one of those are pretty stable and even if they do change it wont be such a large change that i'll need to update the certs.
14:33 Jdriselvato[RCo] Well i need to go to class. I'll be online later tonight. Enjoy the day everyone. Thanks mwn3d_phone for your thoughts. :d
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