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mwn3d_phone |
Ugh...that "rollback" link is gonna get me in trouble someday |
| 16:37 |
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mikemol |
mwn3d_phone: et tu? |
| 16:38 |
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mikemol |
Set up a second account, and put the extended privs on that one. |
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mwn3d_phone |
I hope ledrug didn't refresh and see the rollback without the correction |
| 16:39 |
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mikemol |
Is it just me, or are egos on RC generally much more fragile these past few months? |
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mwn3d_phone |
Also his first message in the "java solution" section on the LCM talk page is a good example of where my proposal for the code tag highlighting would help |
| 16:39 |
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mwn3d_phone |
We have some.....strong personalities |
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mwn3d_phone |
And sometimes they conflict with established users |
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mikemol |
Always have. They haven't tended to flare up as often as they have these last few months. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Ledrug is strong but he's often funny about it and also often right |
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mwn3d_phone |
Markhobley will confuse me forever I think |
| 16:41 |
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mwn3d_phone |
Also we're pretty full on basic tasks by now |
| 16:41 |
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mikemol |
mwn3d_phone: When I tell people my role on RC, I often describe it in terms of managing a bunch of people with competing and conflicting interests and personalities. It's probably the biggest part of the job. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Not too man fundamentals left I don't think |
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mikemol |
mwn3d_phone: Depends on what you mean by fundamentals. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Yeah well... |
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mwn3d_phone |
Terminology aside we have a lot of information |
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mikemol |
I think I understand Mark pretty well. He's largely the opposite of an academically-trained programmer. |
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mwn3d_phone |
And I think people are starting to get into an "improve" mentality in some places |
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mwn3d_phone |
(Ledrug with C examples) |
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mwn3d_phone |
Which makes original contributors uneasy I think |
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mikemol |
We've got the basics for languages and console interfaces, but we're still lacking a lot of fundamentals. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Heh so list them and inspire people |
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mikemol |
I've listed some of them before. The trouble is, they're hard, and that's why nobody touches them. |
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mikemol |
Anything that isn't part of most language's essential feature set isn't likely to popular as tasks, but a lot of general, practical needs for programmers sit in that space. |
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mikemol |
UI, for example. Message processing and passing. Paradigms in data exchange in concurrent environments. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Well some of those things (in java at least) take a bit more than a single snippet |
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mwn3d_phone |
You need to make a whole system |
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mikemol |
Most of the fundamentals remaining, I think, aren't supported directly or conveniently by most languages, so they require support libraries. |
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mikemol |
You don't really need to make a large system to demonstrate their use, though you would in order to demonstrate their implementation. |
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mikemol |
We've got practice with that kind of problem, though. See things like [[RCBF]], or any other task where most examples are broken out into separate pages. |
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fedaykin |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/RCBF |
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mikemol |
Like I said, they're not trivial problems, which is why we still lack good task coverage on them. |
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mwn3d_phone |
Anthing involving more than two user-defined classes in java gets a little messy on the site. You can put them on separate pages if you want but that doesn't feel right to me. I'm not sure what I want for that. Maybe a tree structure like an IDE? |
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mwn3d_phone |
[[RCSNUSP/Java]] has two classes I think. They're both on the same page. That seems to work well enough. |
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fedaykin |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/RCSNUSP/Java |
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mwn3d_phone |
(Even if the way I coded it probably isn't ideal) |
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mwn3d_phone |
It'd be easy for the example writer to just upload an archive and add some explanatory text to the task page but that wouldn't be good for the reader I don't think. |
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mwn3d_phone |
(And it probably introduces interesting securit problems) |
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mwn3d_phone |
Damn this y button... |
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