Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-08-22

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16:36 mwn3d_phone Ugh...that "rollback" link is gonna get me in trouble someday
16:37 mikemol mwn3d_phone: et tu?
16:38 mikemol Set up a second account, and put the extended privs on that one.
16:38 mwn3d_phone I hope ledrug didn't refresh and see the rollback without the correction
16:39 mikemol Is it just me, or are egos on RC generally much more fragile these past few months?
16:39 mwn3d_phone Also his first message in the "java solution" section on the LCM talk page is a good example of where my proposal for the code tag highlighting would help
16:39 mwn3d_phone We have some.....strong personalities
16:39 mwn3d_phone And sometimes they conflict with established users
16:39 mikemol Always have. They haven't tended to flare up as often as they have these last few months.
16:40 mwn3d_phone Ledrug is strong but he's often funny about it and also often right
16:41 mwn3d_phone Markhobley will confuse me forever I think
16:41 mwn3d_phone Also we're pretty full on basic tasks by now
16:41 mikemol mwn3d_phone: When I tell people my role on RC, I often describe it in terms of managing a bunch of people with competing and conflicting interests and personalities. It's probably the biggest part of the job.
16:41 mwn3d_phone Not too man fundamentals left I don't think
16:41 mikemol mwn3d_phone: Depends on what you mean by fundamentals.
16:41 mwn3d_phone Yeah well...
16:42 mwn3d_phone Terminology aside we have a lot of information
16:42 mikemol I think I understand Mark pretty well. He's largely the opposite of an academically-trained programmer.
16:42 mwn3d_phone And I think people are starting to get into an "improve" mentality in some places
16:42 mwn3d_phone (Ledrug with C examples)
16:42 mwn3d_phone Which makes original contributors uneasy I think
16:44 mikemol We've got the basics for languages and console interfaces, but we're still lacking a lot of fundamentals.
16:45 mwn3d_phone Heh so list them and inspire people
16:45 mikemol I've listed some of them before. The trouble is, they're hard, and that's why nobody touches them.
16:46 mikemol Anything that isn't part of most language's essential feature set isn't likely to popular as tasks, but a lot of general, practical needs for programmers sit in that space.
16:47 mikemol UI, for example. Message processing and passing. Paradigms in data exchange in concurrent environments.
16:47 mwn3d_phone Well some of those things (in java at least) take a bit more than a single snippet
16:48 mwn3d_phone You need to make a whole system
16:48 mikemol Most of the fundamentals remaining, I think, aren't supported directly or conveniently by most languages, so they require support libraries.
16:48 mikemol You don't really need to make a large system to demonstrate their use, though you would in order to demonstrate their implementation.
16:49 mikemol We've got practice with that kind of problem, though. See things like [[RCBF]], or any other task where most examples are broken out into separate pages.
16:49 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/RCBF
16:51 mikemol Like I said, they're not trivial problems, which is why we still lack good task coverage on them.
16:53 mwn3d_phone Anthing involving more than two user-defined classes in java gets a little messy on the site. You can put them on separate pages if you want but that doesn't feel right to me. I'm not sure what I want for that. Maybe a tree structure like an IDE?
16:54 mwn3d_phone [[RCSNUSP/Java]] has two classes I think. They're both on the same page. That seems to work well enough.
16:54 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/RCSNUSP/Java
16:54 mwn3d_phone (Even if the way I coded it probably isn't ideal)
16:56 mwn3d_phone It'd be easy for the example writer to just upload an archive and add some explanatory text to the task page but that wouldn't be good for the reader I don't think.
16:56 mwn3d_phone (And it probably introduces interesting securit problems)
16:56 mwn3d_phone Damn this y button...
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