Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-09-20

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17:36 mikemol here's been a visible uptick in the number of Talk page edits which are just people leaving snarky comments. I guess that means we've "made it."
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18:05 opticron you've got your own trolls!
18:05 opticron yay!
18:20 mikemol We've had trollish comments before, but usually in the context of someone saying something useful. However, this guy apparently came back and made a valid observation about [[Memory layout of a data structure]].
18:20 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Mem​ory_layout_of_a_data_structure
18:20 mikemol Checking his contribs list, it looks like he's actually made a numbger of contributions.
18:50 TimToady I will note that snark is not a new behavior; some of the old Bell Labs folks were pretty good at it :)
19:28 mikemol Oh, we get snark, and snark is often OK, it just needs to be constructive.
19:28 mikemol This guy's getting really combative, though.
19:29 mikemol [[User talk:24.85.131.247]]
19:29 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wik​i/User_talk:24.85.131.247
19:30 mikemol And, of course, being combative can be OK, it just needs to be constructive. You pick and choose your battles, but if this guy wants to pick netiquette for his battles, that seems a bit off in terms of priorities.
19:57 mwn3d_phone How many bitter people are there on the internet?
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19:59 * mikemol raises hand
19:59 mikemol How many people aren't bitter? That query seems likely to produce a smaller value.
20:18 mwn3d_phone mikemol: also I checked the analytics recently and we've gotten a bunch of referrals from google india
20:18 mwn3d_phone So I guess we're making sure offshore can do their work?
20:19 mikemol Heh
20:20 mikemol You don't want to involve me in a discussion about economics. It leads to politics. And this isn't the place for that. :)
20:21 mikemol mwn3d_phone: btw, what are you using for an IRC app these days? FreeNode requies SASL, and AndChat doesn't cut it any more.
20:21 mwn3d_phone I'm still using andchat
20:27 mikemol Huh
20:30 mwn3d_phone I'm not quite sure what SASL is
20:31 mbishop yaaic has sasl support
20:31 mwn3d_phone The closest thing I know is that I connect using SSL
20:32 mwn3d_phone mikemol: www.andchat.net/page/misc_doc
20:32 fedaykin "AndChat.net - Documentation | Miscellaneous"
20:32 mwn3d_phone SASL is the first thing on there
20:32 mikemol Hm
20:32 mikemol Probably just need to change my connection details, then.
20:32 mwn3d_phone Uhhh...is SASL a fancy word for registering?
20:33 mikemol It's a standardized mechanism for doing secured registration, if I understand it properly.
20:35 mikemol What port are you using?
20:36 mwn3d_phone 7000
20:36 mikemol OK, figured it out.
20:36 mikemol I was still using 'irc.freenode.net', when it's apparently now 'chat.freenode.net'
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20:36 mwn3d_phone I'm using irc.freenode.net
20:37 mikemol Ah
20:37 mikemol I was using irc.freenode.net:6667. I tried 6697, which didn't work at all. Was about to try 7000 when I noticed http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml indicates one should use chat.freenode.net.
20:37 mwn3d_phone Heh...."freenode.net" is blocked at work
20:37 mwn3d_phone Probably could figured
20:38 mwn3d_phone Maybe its in a transition period?
20:39 mwn3d_phone Oh well. I'll change it anyway.
20:39 mwn3d_phone Thanks for noticing that
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20:44 cojodroid Ok.. let me try with wifi off
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20:45 mwn3d_phone Y helo thar
20:45 cojodroid Hi
20:45 mwn3d_phone Everything good?
20:46 cojodroid Though I am not using ssl currently either
20:46 mwn3d_phone Identified and all?
20:48 Coderjoe no
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20:51 Coderjoe i wonder if tmobile is flagged or something
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20:56 opticron Coderjoe, can't join from a tmobile cellular IP?
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20:57 cojodroid Except I can, from verizon at least. Mike can't with tmoble
20:59 opticron interesting
20:59 opticron I'd try from my phone, but it's encounter with a hot tub has left it with a crippled cellular radio
21:00 mwn3d_phone It looked like he was using verizon
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21:00 mwn3d_phone Or am I getting nicks confused?
21:00 cojodroid And with ssl. Still no sasl error
21:00 Coderjoe i'm vzw
21:00 opticron freenode may be trying to mitigate botnets on mobile devices
21:01 Coderjoe and have no trouble.
21:01 opticron though I don't know why they'd block tmobile and not vzw
21:02 mwn3d_phone I'm on verizon but I don't think I've tried to identify here
21:06 Coderjoe I hadn't registered the nick until just now
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21:08 cojodroid Again, no trouble. I think the opers have something against tmobile
21:11 mwn3d_phone I got this: http://groups.google.com/group/andchat​/browse_thread/thread/68a0a1ddf5fe9f69
21:11 fedaykin "T-Mobile connection problems - AndChat | Google Groups" http://rldn.net/pDEI
21:11 mwn3d_phone Not too much help
21:13 mwn3d_phone Some people talking about freenode nazis here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/​archive/index.php/t-815213.html
21:13 fedaykin "[Q] Android IRC issue.. [Archive] - xda-developers" http://rldn.net/DMs
21:13 mwn3d_phone It looks like people have gotten it working using andchat
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21:15 Coderjoe "specifically, it's tmobile's lack of an abuse@ email for freenode to report abuse as the primary reason given in #freenode for the block...so how to get tmobile to add and respond to abuse, good luck"
21:15 Coderjoe nice
21:16 Coderjoe and andchat's sasl info page: http://www.andchat.net/page/misc_doc
21:16 fedaykin "AndChat.net - Documentation | Miscellaneous"
21:17 Coderjoe appears that you need to register the nick first before trying to use it
21:19 mwn3d_phone Yeah that has to be on a real computer/non-tmobile connection
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21:35 mikemol I wonder if that's going to disconnect every time I take a phone call.
21:36 mwn3d_phone It does for me
21:36 mwn3d_phone No data during phone calls
21:36 mwn3d_phone If you want that you'll need AT&T
21:37 mikemol See the host portion of the ident string?
21:37 mikemol [~Shortcirc@2001:470:c5b9:beef:7a1d:baff:fe13:f5cb], specifically 2001:470:c5b9:beef:7a1d:baff:fe13:f5cb
21:37 mikemol That's my phone's IPv6 address from my local network, via wifi
21:42 mwn3d_phone I think the issue on verizon is hardware...onky one antenna
21:44 mwn3d_phone Not sure if there's a wifi issue with verizon. I never use wifi.
21:45 mwn3d_phone Similar wifi issue*
21:45 mwn3d_phone But there could be with tmobile
21:45 mikemol Hm. Ping timeout? I'll have to fix my firewall, looks like.
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22:09 Ledrug[RCo] heh this thing actually works
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22:50 mwn3d_phone Ledrug: yep. Lots of people use it to ask quick questions.
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23:42 Ledrug He's back
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