Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-10-26

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03:08 mwn3d_phone Site is slow tonight on my computer
03:09 mwn3d_phone Seems ok on my phone
03:09 mwn3d_phone And that's on the same network
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13:34 eMBee any chance the licence on the site can be changed to fdl 1.3?
13:37 eMBee hmm, never mind, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3.html contains a provision to relicense to creative comons, but that provision was only valid until 2009
13:37 fedaykin "GNU Free Documentation License v1.3 - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)"
13:54 Hypftier makes me wonder why the time frame is included in the license. What's so utterly wrong in relicensing a site after 2009? Does the need suddenly go away magically? Is that just another trick to force projects to retain a semi-harmful license for eternity just because they missed a certain deadline? Or was that just a one-time provision for Wikipedia and other sites who happened to make the switch in time?
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14:05 eMBee the relicencing provision was done specifically to allow wikipedia and similar sites to relicense all their content. but i agree, it would be nicer without the timelimit
14:26 eMBee i am asking someone to let me publish his code from his blog on rosettacode. he already stated that he is happy to let me copy the code. is it enough if he makes the statement to me privately? can i just quote him from my private email?
14:28 mikemol Yeah, I missed the window on the relicensing. I was working 50-70hrs per week.
14:29 mikemol eMBee: Put a cite with the lump of code.
14:32 eMBee does the cite need to have a link? (if i link to the blog it will say gpl)
14:33 mikemol Yes.
14:33 eMBee then private email is not enough. ok, i'll ask, thanks
14:36 eMBee but if he uploads the code himself, a cite would not be needed, just a statement that he is the author? could he do that without logging in?
14:37 eMBee since it is me asking for a favor i don't want to cause him to much trouble for something he wrote years ago
14:42 mikemol One advantage to the link cite is that some of the folks on RC don't care to see it. Since I don't have a problem with it, the usual resolution is to leave it there until someone clean-rooms a task solution. Otherwise, it shouldn't be a problem.
14:42 mikemol As for anonymous edits involving verbatim copying...those usually get jumped on, because it's impossible to clearly identify who made them.
14:43 eMBee ok, i see
14:43 mikemol What's the URL to the blog post in question?
14:43 eMBee http://jfkbits.blogspot.com/
14:43 fedaykin "JFKBits"
14:43 eMBee the GPL statement there was added today
14:44 eMBee initially there was nothing, then i asked and he added CC BY
14:44 eMBee then we found that it is not clear that that is GPL compatible, so he changed to GPL, now i have to ask him again
14:45 eMBee but initially he said he is happy to let me publish his code on RC
14:45 mikemol As long as you can produce that email, and he doesn't dispute it, I don't care. If he complains that the code is on RC, then the code gets taken down anyway, as that amounts to a rescindence of license.
14:45 eMBee in the same email where he offered CC BY
14:46 mikemol Copying the code and using a linkcite should honestly be just fine.
14:46 eMBee ok, thank you
14:47 mikemol Also, afaik, CC-By code can be dropped into GPL systems. CC-By-SA can't be.
14:47 mikemol GPL code can't be dropped into CC-By codebases without the CC-By being pushed to GPL, though.
14:47 mikemol IANAL, I just have to think about these things a lot. :)
14:49 eMBee yes, cc by would have been fine i am almost sure, but i could not find anyone making a clear statement to that point
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17:37 eMBee crazy idea: how about opening up more licenses? each solution could be tagged with licenses that apply to it, like {{license|GPL}}
17:37 GlitchMr These languages lack syntax highlighting.
17:37 GlitchMr * Logo
17:37 GlitchMr And I remember how I did some syntax highlighter of Logo in GeSHi...
17:37 GlitchMr It was in Polish, but I think that translating shouldn't be hard.
17:39 Hypftier eMBee: Once we can have single task solutions in individual pages that might be worthwhile and might make a move to CC easier, but in the context of a single large page it gets mesasy quickly, I guess
17:39 eMBee gee, blue prawn is fast today, i publish some scrap in my personal space and he adds a line-to-long marker :-)
17:40 eMBee why? the tag would be per language example
17:40 GlitchMr But then, implementations are extremally different
17:40 eMBee anyways: need to go to sleep
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19:32 mikemol http://rosettacode.org/wik‚Äči/Rosetta_Code:Copyrights
19:33 fedaykin "Rosetta Code:Copyrights - Rosetta Code" http://rldn.net/2s2
19:33 mikemol Worth a read, for those who haven't.
19:33 mikemol Interesting subsets: the Citations section, and the final line of the Contributors section.
19:35 mikemol In reality, though, multilicensing an *edit* (which is what some people on RC are technically doing) is not substantive in the long term; others who modify the page later on likely only licensed their modification under the GFDL 1.2.
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21:18 eel2 REPL log monitoring broke! problem: <EOFException>
21:32 mwn3d_phone Come on REPL log monitoring. You can't stay unbroken for a day?
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21:57 AlexLehm can i just remove an output? marker after I added an output section to an example?
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22:58 mikemol AlexLehm: Sure
22:59 mikemol It's not like we need you to drop a template asking for a review to authorize instigating a mechanism to review whether or not a template may be reviewed.
23:00 mikemol This may be discussed in the article's [[Talk:Article|Talk page]]
23:00 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Talk:Article|Talk_page
23:00 mikemol We're actually very unprocessed.
23:02 AlexLehm ok, i removed the entry
23:06 AlexLehm on a sidenote: has anybody used Dart VM yet? I don't know how to actually run anything with this
23:15 AlexLehm ah found it

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