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IRC log for #rosettacode, 2011-11-23

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07:46 ErikSiers good evening gentlemen
07:47 ErikSiers [[Djikstra]] needs to be deleted. i checked on the source mentioned in the page's submission:
07:47 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Djikstra
07:47 ErikSiers http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/java/pr​ograms/graph/Dijkstra-java.html
07:47 fedaykin "The Java Program: Dijkstra.java" http://rldn.net/11w
07:48 ErikSiers ...and there is no license info anywhere on that page... so it must be assumed to be copyrighted without permission to share, until proven otherwise
08:01 eMBee is that the same code here? http://code.google.com/p/secwsnsim/source/​browse/trunk/code/platform/nb/WSNSimulator​Platform/pt.unl.fct.di.mei.securesim.test/​src/org/mei/securesim/test/insens/utils/gr​aph/Dijkstra.java?spec=svn143&r=143
08:01 fedaykin "Dijkstra.java - secwsnsim - Wireless Sensor Network Simulator for Secure Routing Protocols Design and Study - Google Project Hosting" http://rldn.net/16TNU
08:07 eMBee the name of the page is wrong in any case. for which task is that supposed to be?
08:08 eMBee or is it supposed to become a task?
08:08 ErikSiers beats me
08:08 eMBee and in any case the poster took it without considering copyright
08:08 ErikSiers exactly
08:09 eMBee even if the copyright is ok
08:09 ErikSiers if it was actually submitted by Prof. Stansifer, he should say so, along with something granting permission for it to be FDL'd or whatever
08:10 eMBee i doubt that Prof. Stansifer is the actual owner of the code as it appears in the above google code repo
08:11 ErikSiers ah. missed that
08:11 ErikSiers maybe the repo took it without permission from him
08:11 eMBee if that is the same code that is. i searched for the first line of code to find that
08:11 ErikSiers i'm looking now, hang on
08:12 ErikSiers ok, it's essentially the same thing...
08:13 ErikSiers ...but the licenses (apache for code, cc-sa for content) are ***NOT*** fdl-compatible
08:13 ErikSiers so... the page *does* need to be removed, IMO
08:14 eMBee hmm, apache is a very liberal license
08:14 eMBee it does allow relicensing as far as i know
08:15 ErikSiers as-is, the page serves no purpose
08:15 ErikSiers perhaps if it was used as part of a solution to, say, [[Maze solving]]
08:15 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Maze_solving
08:15 * eMBee nods
08:16 ErikSiers so we're now at, what, 3 reasons to delete?
08:17 eMBee i'd try talking to the user first, a little education could be useful
08:19 ErikSiers ok, i dropped a note on the ip's talk page: User talk:160.39.134.187
08:19 ErikSiers er... [[User talk:160.39.134.187]]
08:19 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wik​i/User_talk:160.39.134.187
08:20 ErikSiers let's see if we get a response
08:31 ErikSiers eMBee: are you going to be here for a while?
08:35 eMBee probably, maybe not paying attention though
08:36 ErikSiers well, if you think of it, check that usertalk page once in a while. i need to crash
08:39 eMBee oh, sure, i am already keeping an eye on changes, so i'll notice that one
08:39 eMBee have a good night
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08:53 ErikSiers ok. i'm out. night, all
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16:20 mikemol Looks like Wikipedia is annoyed with the RC article again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Code
16:20 fedaykin "Rosetta Code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
16:21 mikemol I'm pleased that the page gets high marks on the Trustworthy and Objective page rating metrics, though.
16:24 eMBee :-)
16:24 eMBee that complaint has been there since august though
16:24 mikemol Yeah
16:24 eMBee and to be honest, i think it is valid.
16:25 mikemol *I'm* annoyed that Wikipedia won't email me when the pages on my watchlist are edited; I like to respond to problems ASAP.
16:25 eMBee do you have a collection of links to articles about rc somewhere?
16:25 mikemol Yeah, the complaint is valid.
16:25 mikemol See the talk page for that article; I just dropped the best links I knew of in there.
16:26 mikemol Otherwise, I can drump up about five thousand links from a few years' analytics data, but it gets uninteresting after the first twenty or thirty.
16:26 mikemol s/drump/drum/
16:27 mikemol The real problem is that there are rearely any references or links now which take place in reputable places where RC's status isn't simply presumed.
16:27 mikemol s/rearely/rarely/
16:28 eMBee ah, nice, yes, that is helpful. i did the same for another page when i didn't have the time to make the edits myself...
16:28 mikemol There's plenty of notes and references from StackOverflow and reddit, but I don't know that those would be considered suitable sources.
16:29 eMBee well, the fact that it is frequently discussed on those places is something that would fit the page
16:30 mikemol Except someone would have to write an article describing and substanciating that fact. And then you could link to *that* article.
16:30 mikemol To my knowledge, nobody's written such an article.
16:30 eMBee not if the fact is verifiable by itself
16:32 mikemol Wouldn't that lead to [citation needed]?
16:33 mikemol Huh
16:33 mikemol How'd that happen?
16:34 eMBee well, the citation would be eg a link that has searchresults on "rosetta code" for those pages
16:34 mikemol I went to type "rosettacode.org reddit.com" in chrome's search bar, to see if it would pull up a such a list.
16:34 mikemol I hit 'space' after 'rosettacode.org', and it said "search rosettacode.org(en):".
16:35 mikemol http://www.reddit.com/domain/rosettacode.org/
16:35 fedaykin "rosettacode.org on reddit.com"
16:37 mikemol http://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=releva​nce&pagesize=50&q=rosettacode.org
16:37 fedaykin "Questions containing rosettacode.org - Stack Overflow" http://rldn.net/8Ut
16:38 eMBee alternatively a few example answers where rosettacode is referenced would do too i think
16:40 mikemol http://stackoverflow.com/questions/633603​9/is-there-an-online-directory-of-algorit​hms-and-their-implementations-in-differen
16:40 fedaykin "Is there an online directory of algorithms and their implementations in different languages? - Stack Overflow" http://rldn.net/DDn
16:40 mikemol http://stackoverflow.com/questions/42​94057/real-code-in-dynamic-programmin​g-with-problems-like-knapsack-in-php
16:40 fedaykin "Real code in dynamic programming with problems like knapsack in PHP - Stack Overflow" http://rldn.net/uk0U
16:42 mikemol http://stackoverflow.com/questions/​61863/rosetta-stone-sorting-arrays
16:42 fedaykin "language agnostic - Rosetta Stone - Sorting Arrays - Stack Overflow" http://rldn.net/OYL
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17:33 mwn3d_phone Yeah posts like that equate to "some dude" saying RC exists
17:34 mwn3d_phone Do the slashdot posts count?
17:51 eMBee slashdot articles for sure, the thing with stackover flow is that it's not just talking about rc but actually using it. rc is used among developers to share problem solutions[reference see this stackoverflow post as example]
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20:28 mwn3d_phone Its interesting to see what people said in the comments of that 07 slashdot post
20:29 mwn3d_phone What they thought wouldn't work that really is central to the site now
20:29 mwn3d_phone In particular someone not knowing about wiki categories
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21:55 ErikSiers mwn3d_phone: just wondering, what was your actual comment supposed to have been when you deleted the "Djikstra" page? "We can bring" seems... incomplete
21:55 mwn3d_phone Oh it let me type more
21:56 mwn3d_phone We can bring it back if there's a problem
21:57 ErikSiers ok, that makes better sense :-)
21:57 ErikSiers i assume you saw my comments from early this morning?
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22:02 ErikSiers ok, people, the betting pool is open. 2 new users just now, JudyddDukev55 and SteveWilder431. place your bets: which one spams first?
22:02 ErikSiers oooo, wait, nevermind, pool's closed
22:02 ErikSiers [[User:SteveWilder431]] needs deleting and blocking, he spammed on his userpage
22:02 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/User:SteveWilder431
22:05 ErikSiers hm. well, not spam, but check out the history before i blanked it
22:05 ErikSiers derp. irc needs a "delete my stupid post" button
22:06 ErikSiers *is* spam; linked to what looks like a link-trading site
22:07 * ErikSiers sighs
22:08 mwn3d_phone1 ErikSiers: got it
22:09 ErikSiers it's interesting that the notification email i get says that the page has been *created*, not deleted. mw does some strange things sometimes
22:11 ErikSiers must be a record, 10 minutes from creation to ban :-)
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23:41 ErikSiers [[Web scraping#TXR]]
23:41 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Web_scraping#TXR
23:41 ErikSiers anon writer had tagged it with "trans:most of the others" :-)
23:42 ErikSiers (the "naive" version, that is)

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