Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-01-08

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02:02 mikemol I'll be taking it down again in an hour or two, but for the moment I've got the server's rrdtool graphs viewable: http://rosettacode.org/cdc3/bin/index.cgi?action=show_selection;hostname=prgmr2.rosettacode.org
02:02 fedaykin "collection.cgi, Version 3" http://rldn.net/Djjd
03:35 eMBee begs the question: what happened to the entropy on saturday evening?
03:38 eMBee the load goes up at thesame time
04:23 mikemol Very probably people looking at that link.
04:24 eMBee huh? the gap is for 6 hours
04:24 mikemol Hm. That is odd.
04:24 eMBee interface activity is up too
04:25 mikemol Whatever it was, it wasn't captured on Google Analytics.
04:25 eMBee http://rosettacode.org/cdc3/bin/index.cgi?hostname=prgmr2.rosettacode.org&plugin=conntrack&plugin=contextswitch&plugin=entropy&plugin=interface&plugin=load&plugin=memcached&timespan=86400&action=show_selection&ok_button=OK
04:25 mikemol Hm
04:25 fedaykin "collection.cgi, Version 3" http://rldn.net/ZUsW
04:25 mikemol Hm. So it would have been someone not loading the GA code.
04:26 mikemol But they *were* banging on the wiki itself.
04:26 mikemol Sounds like a rapid spider.
04:26 eMBee a searchengine?
04:26 eMBee yeah
04:26 mikemol I'll save a copy of the day's log, check it out later.
04:27 mikemol Anyway, I'm off to sleep, so I'm taking that pageset down.
04:27 mikemol Need to put better ACLs on it, anyway.
04:28 eMBee there are 3 more such spikes
04:28 eMBee entropy down and interface up
04:28 eMBee so must be something with high traffic
04:29 eMBee the matching traffic spikes ate onthe lo interface though
04:29 eMBee or at least stronger on lo
04:30 eMBee did you prune the cache at that time?
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15:10 mikemol rcodeSumm3r
15:17 mikemol Hate it when I do that.
16:05 eMBee eh?
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17:26 mwn3d_phone Sheesh...[[factorial]] does not get along with my phone
17:27 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/factorial
17:38 eMBee http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/RosettaCode-vs-Stack-Overflow
17:38 fedaykin "RosettaCode-vs-Stack-Overflow | sTeam Public" http://rldn.net/10eEg
17:38 * eMBee is curious what mikemol thinks about that...
17:38 * mikemol likes SO
17:39 mikemol They sent me t-shirts for running RC. They're also one of RC's biggest referrers.
17:39 * eMBee nods, hmm, i could mention that
17:41 mikemol eMBee: I just realized...You wrote that, didn't you? Heh.
17:41 * eMBee nods
17:41 eMBee updated...
17:41 mikemol I didn't make that mental association last time.
17:42 eMBee heh
17:42 mikemol Also, your blog posts send traffic spikes.
17:42 eMBee they do?
17:42 mikemol (No complaints there; server handles it just fine. Just an amused observation)
17:42 eMBee ok, the first one i posted on lxer.com
17:42 fedaykin "LXer: Linux News"
17:45 mikemol As for the more general points in that post, I've tried to manage the RC community such that the community itself organized the site's processes, and in such a way that everyone who chooses to contribute finds their own value in doing so.
17:46 eMBee nice, that sounds good
17:46 mikemol For me, I get a *lot* of value watching and learning from the conversations around task building.
17:46 eMBee same here
17:47 mikemol For others, it's "getting the word out" about languages they have a stake in.
17:47 * eMBee nods
17:47 mikemol For still others, it's actively testing and exercising their language in use cases thought up by someone other than themselves.
17:47 eMBee picolisp comes to mind :-)
17:48 mikemol And Perl6. And Tcl. And Seed7.
17:48 mikemol I've watched their implementations and specs get adjusted in reaction to discoveries made while solving RC tasks.
17:49 eMBee yes, but everyone knows about perl6 and tcl, whereas picolisp is rather unknown (and seed7 too i suppose)
17:49 eMBee though perl6 is interesting because people know about it but not so many people know it is already implemented...
17:49 mikemol And Retro. And probably a few others...
17:50 mikemol The Perl 6 concept of "implemented" is interesting in and of itself. As far as I know, it's a relatively unique case in programming languages.
17:50 eMBee adjusting specs based on discoveries on RC is interesting. do you have any examples for that?
17:51 mikemol Either that, or it's extraordinarily common.
17:52 mikemol I think Dkf hit on some examples of that in Tcl. I don't remember the specifics of Perl 6's encounters, but they're unremarkable in that that's how Perl 6 development goes, regardless. I don't remember the specifics of the Seed7 cases.
17:53 mikemol I do recall that Seed7's case involved its principal discovering the language couldn't do something he wanted it to be able to do, and so he changed the language.
17:54 eMBee in tcl? that's interesting, i thought tcl by now is stable and appropriately slow moving
17:54 mikemol RC also drives benefit for people who don't actively write code examples, or even edit wiki content. BenBE gets to use RC as a way to keep GeSHi active and improving, in exchange for me not having to directly deal with most of the headaches of syntax highlighting.
17:55 mikemol I think Dkf uncovered bugs in implementation, not so much as spec.
17:55 eMBee if you ever rediscover that seed7 case, i am interested to find out more. that is something worth keeping note of
17:55 eMBee ah
17:56 mikemol Then there was Dkf figuring out how to get Tcl to do things it was never intended to do, in order to be able to solve some task.
17:56 mikemol I think that one related to memory access and pointer munging.
17:56 eMBee :-)
17:57 eMBee the genshi case is interesting. i am still looking for a usecase for my own project in a similar manner...
17:57 mikemol But back to SO vs RC...SO Q&A tends to revolve around much more specific problems. And finding an an answer to a question on RC is no cakewalk. At least for me.
17:58 mikemol In other news...I've locked myself out of the RC server, and will have to bring the server down to fix it. :(
17:58 eMBee ouch
18:00 eMBee worse things happened, i managed to bring down my grandmas router while i was on the other side of the planet and had to wait to tell someone to restart it
18:01 eMBee (the server has a few years of uptime at that point)
18:03 eMBee had
18:04 eMBee that taught me not to use init 0; to shut down my laptop :-)
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18:29 mikemol http://pastebin.com/kY97AbaG
18:29 fedaykin "Rosetta Code referrals for 2011 - Pastebin.com"
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