Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-05-21

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13:52 mikemol Spam is getting nasty. Not the wiki spam; that's still manageable right now. (And I'll eventually start working with the mailenator guy to get the spam users dropped from his service.) I'm talking about an ongoing joe-job.
13:53 mikemol Some email spammers has decided to scrape the list of users on Rosetta Code and forge "From:" addresses. I'm getting a bunch of backscatter from badly-configured services and spam filters.
14:22 Coderjoe unfortunately, spf isn't checked by everyone, and it only covers the MAIL FROM smtp envelope sender, not the in-message From: header
14:32 eMBee hmm, for some reason i always thought differently, but it makes sense. good to know, now i need to owrry less when i use a different email address in the From: header
14:33 Coderjoe at least I am pretty sure it only covers the envelope sender
14:33 eMBee well, wikipedia agrees with you
14:34 eMBee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework#Relationship_with_DKIM
14:34 fedaykin "Sender Policy Framework - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://rldn.net/qy
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14:38 eMBee and the faq on the opensfp site does too
15:02 TimToady I've had to ignored forging backscatter for many years now, to the point that anything from a mailer daemon goes into a folder I almost never look at
15:02 TimToady it was really a great relief when most of our devel switched over to irc
15:06 eMBee irc is to timezone dependent
15:19 mikemol eMBee: Some mailing lists operate at the speed of IRC...or even faster.
15:19 mikemol I've been accused of turning email into IM.
15:22 eMBee oh, sure, that's fine. but with email you have threads and you can still focus on a topic when reading a discussion a few hours later. on an irc log that is not really possible. i tried. i had to give up reading logs, couldn't keep up
15:24 eMBee you can also reply to older messages without disrupting ongoing discussions
15:25 eMBee if irc could track which message is a reply to what, then the same could be done there...
15:27 eMBee regarding turning email into IM, i have always believed that IM could be implemented using SMTP
15:32 eMBee http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/better-email
15:32 fedaykin "better-email | sTeam Public"
15:54 mikemol I'm ambivalent about that approach. I'll have to give it thought.
15:55 mikemol The part that worries me is...badly configured mailservers being used as bounce points for malicious use cases.
15:56 TimToady irc has plenty of ways to "take things offline" if that's necessary; the default snappy turnaround is a plus, at least for communities the size of Perl 6's
15:56 TimToady also, all the flakes tend to use email rather than irc :)
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