Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-07-25

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10:25 tj64 hi everybody - one question about license: if the author of several 100 solutions for one language wants to collect his solutions into a book and publish it - can he publish the task description together with the task solution? Does including the task description affect in any way the licence of the book?  thanks for any tip.
10:31 eMBee well, i think the task descriptions would be a substantial portion of the book, so yes, i'd guess that it would affect the license of the book.
11:35 tj64 but a book under the GNU licence can be sold, right? Emacs manuals are sold too, as far as I know...
11:36 tj64 and do we need any official permissions from your side - or is it just a question of license?
12:00 eMBee i am not a lawyer, but i am very certain that selling is not a problem. you may have to publish the source pdf though (but that also only to the people who buy the book)
12:23 tj64 ok, thanks - so what I take away is that its ok with you, but I do have to watch the GNU licence. I will have to read a bit more about that...
12:28 eMBee note that i am just an rc user muyself
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12:30 eMBee ... myself, but as my contriutions are concerned, it would be ok with me :-)
12:39 tj64 ah, then we had a little misunderstanding, I thought you were part of the official Rosettacode team ...
12:40 Hypftier there is an official team?
12:40 eMBee mikemol is the official team :-)
12:40 Hypftier and BenBE the official syntax highlighter ;)
12:41 * eMBee nods
12:58 tj64 ok, so I might want to send an email to mikemol (but didn't find his email on Rosettacode.
13:00 eMBee he is here in the channel and should have seen your question. may just need to wait for him to wake up
13:09 mikemol tj64: Morning
13:09 mikemol eMBee: (Or wait for him to get to work ;) )
13:10 eMBee well, i was thinking of the virtual waking up :-)
13:10 mikemol Well, OK. :)
13:11 mikemol tj64: Yes, a book under the GFDL may be sold. The GFDL does place certain requirements that the 'original source' of the book be available online, though.
13:12 mikemol The GFDL is a pretty straightforward read...but there are commercial books which are licensed under it. The SVN Book, for example, is a print-published GFDL book. There are others, but I don't remember which they are off the top of my head.
13:13 mikemol While I'll help in any way I reasonably can, just remember IANAL. You should consult with your publisher and their legal staff.
13:15 mikemol tj64: And to be clear, I own very little of what is on rosettacode.org. People who post submissions and patches retain copyright to their work, but the editing process requires that they agree to license their content under the GFDL version 1.2. As a consequence, stuff found on the wiki is available under GFDL 1.2.
13:15 fedaykin "Rosetta Code"
13:17 mikemol As I understand it, it also means that I don't really have the legal standing to file a complaint, since I don't own the code.
13:18 mikemol (On any given page, the most I probably own are the site logo and the icon describing the page as discussing a task, language or library)
13:18 mikemol tj64: BTW, you can find my contact information on my user page at http://rosettacode.org/wiki/User:Short_Circuit , or by running 'whois' against rosettacode.org.
13:18 fedaykin "User:Short Circuit - Rosetta Code" "Rosetta Code"
13:29 tj64 hi mikemol, thanks for you explanations, its of course complex topic and one could spend more time on it than publishing a little book. the short version of my question would be: "can I self-publish a book-on-demand with task desciption (properly cited) I don't own and task solutions I do own and sell the books with out breaking the rules? (and thanks for your contact information)
13:32 mikemol tj64: Again, IANAL. My understanding of the GFDL leads me to say, "Yes, but you need to provide an editable, digital copy of the book to anyone you sell a physical copy to."
13:35 * eMBee thinks the same
13:37 tj64 mmhh - that renders the effort of publishing it as a book almost useless. well, almost, some people still prefer something tangible. Ok, thanks a lot, I think that more or less what I wanted to know.
13:38 mikemol np
13:39 mikemol tj64: Something you may want to look at (it's something I've wanted to do for ages, but never had time)...
13:40 mikemol Put together supplementary textbooks for college campuses, using just the tasks relevant to a given class, and the languages that are used at that college.
13:41 mikemol mwn3d_phone could give more recent experience, but I've seen colleges teach students one language as part of teaching them to program, and then shift to a completely different language the next year, with the expectation that the students are fluent.
13:42 mikemol The publishing of a compilation works more nicely for you, as you can likely get the book placed in the school bookstore. You've also got a highly-targeted market, so once you've prepared a book for one place, you prepare a book for a different campus.
13:43 mikemol There are enough places that the 'used book' market (and the piracy effect) won't have much of an impact; books from one college won't 'leak' over to another college where you're trying to sell books.
13:57 eMBee tj: you only need to share the source with those that buy the book
13:58 eMBee i like printed versions, so this should still be of value
14:02 mikemol Admittedly, what those who buy the book do with said source is up to them. Certainly a pirated copy will show up somewhere. But I doubt that's any more a problem than RC already being online.
14:10 * eMBee nods
14:45 mikemol I'll also note that I've bought around fifty or sixty books from O'Reilly in large part because I get DRM-free ebooks which I can turn around and drop on my phone, laptop and desktop workstations. I consult them on the road, at work, at home and whie board at family functions...
15:05 eMBee whiteboard? or when bored?
15:05 mikemol while bored. :)
15:07 tj64 ups - sent a private message unintentionally. Thank for all the input guy, very helpfull, and I really like the school idea. I'm off now, cheers
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