Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-07-28

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01:24 TimToady given the timezone I'm in, I usually see the spammers as they're happening; would be nice if there were an easy way for me to knock 'em over before any bots traverse the site
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03:52 BlackCherry hi :)
03:52 sorear Hello and welcome BlackCherry.  How can we help you?
03:58 BlackCherry sorear are you a bot?
04:00 sorear no :p
04:00 opticron lol
04:06 BlackCherry sorry lol
04:06 BlackCherry i think you are a bot
04:07 BlackCherry i like the site of rosettacode
04:07 sorear I am tempted to write a bot that autokicks people who join and say hi without *stating their problem*
04:07 opticron sorear isn't a bot
04:07 opticron or is a very well written bot
04:07 sorear it gets quite frustrating after the thousandth time guessing
04:08 opticron written with sass
04:08 BlackCherry i was searching about common lisp codes than i  found the description of shebangs that i need ;)
04:08 sorear nah, I'm an evolved agent.
04:08 sorear not written at al.
04:09 BlackCherry cool
04:14 opticron sorear, or so we'd allow you to think
04:18 eMBee BlackCherry: learning lisp?
04:19 eMBee TimToady: you can empty the pages and mark as delete {delete} i think, not sure
04:19 TimToady like I said, I want an *easy* way :)
04:20 BlackCherry eMBee yes im learning common lisp reading the land of lisp
04:25 TimToady sorear: why would you assume that everyone who shows up and says "hi" has a problem?
04:31 sorear TimToady: past experience
04:32 TimToady I suspect your statistical sample has not yet reached 5 sigmas of reliability
04:33 TimToady besides, I like black cherries
04:34 TimToady lisp is okay too, in moderation...
04:36 TimToady otoh, based on a very small statistical sample, I'm willing write off DoloresCotton :)
04:38 TimToady and I'd like a button to remove them and all their works
04:40 BlackCherry lol
04:40 BlackCherry i like python programming
04:41 BlackCherry well i will sleep now
04:41 BlackCherry see ya!! ;)
04:46 eMBee well, you could ask for moderator privileges...
04:48 TimToady well, I didn't just say 'hi'  :)
04:49 sorear i'm not concerned with the size of my sample so much as I am with whether my behavior is, on average, helping or hurting
04:51 TimToady I suppose I have to ask: helping or hurting what?
04:51 * ttmrichter screws up the sorear-bot's algorithm.
04:51 ttmrichter Ahoy.
04:52 TimToady it's like when someone says "That's significant," I always want to ask "What does it signify?"
04:56 TimToady It's a pain to be a linguist, and occasionally even to the linguist themownself. :)
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08:54 eMBee hehe
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16:28 mikemol TimToady: I can boost your priv level so you can delete pages. :)
16:28 mikemol It'll happen later today, though.
16:29 mikemol I don't like the {{delete}} approach, as it's made it harder for me to just look at HTTP logs to see where spam comes from. I accidentally banned someone at the iptables level, once, because I didn't realize a particular page edit was a {{delete}} instead of a spam post.
16:33 TimToady you can't put a {{delete}} into a .jpg though...
16:34 TimToady have the images been getting deleted?  If not, there may still be external links to them, which might explain the motivation of the spammers
16:35 TimToady it seems to me there must be some kind of reward system out there that encourages spammers to continue in the present mode
16:42 TimToady it also seems to me that quaranteening every change done by a particular user would be safer than the {{delete}} approach
16:44 TimToady sort of a user-scoped "undo"
16:44 TimToady then it'd show up in the logs as a set of reverts
16:44 TimToady course maybe then they could easily be unreverte
16:44 TimToady *ed
16:45 * TimToady is just thinking out loud, a bad habit of mine...
16:53 mwn3d_phone TimToady: I delete images but I could have missed some
16:53 mwn3d_phone There is a way to see all of the images on the site in a list
16:53 mwn3d_phone We could just look for weird names
16:53 mwn3d_phone Most images will have a language name or task name in them
16:53 mwn3d_phone Or maybe "avatar"
16:55 TimToady that's good for current cleanup, though it still seems like zapping a particular user's works would be less work in the long run
16:56 TimToady presuming the wiki can support such a thing, of course
16:58 TimToady dunno if it can support a git-like rollback by rolling forward notion
17:01 mwn3d_phone I just checked over the whole file namespace and didn't find any suspicious filenames
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19:19 mikemol TimToady: You have the privs. Use them wisely. :)
19:20 mikemol It's certainly possible to zap a user's contributions...if you install an extension that'll do it. I don't know if such an extension already exists.
19:25 TimToady thanks
19:32 mikemol No, thank you. While there are a fair number people who wouldn't mind using delete and block privs to deal with spam, there are _very_ few of those who haven't gotten involved in heated arguments that have lost rational cohesion by their end.
19:34 mikemol So I only hand out privs like that to people who, in addition to my personal gut opinion, have managed to be well and productively involved for a great deal of time while continually demonstrating a very level temperment.
19:34 mikemol Most of the people I've handed privs to are more level-headed than I am. :)
19:34 mikemol In some cases, far more.
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20:04 Frozenthia Greetings
20:07 mikemol Greetings
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