Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-09-15

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00:55 mikemol JesseW_work: I'm aware of PLEAC, and I assume they're aware of us. There's no at-the-top cooperation, though.
00:56 mikemol With RC, anything publicly-visible that happens is the result of a normal contributor doing it. I stay pretty much out of the way.
00:57 mikemol JesseW_work: You might find this page interesting: [[Help:Similar_Sites]]
00:57 fedaykin http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Help:Similar_Sites
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01:21 eMBee mikemol: i have been meaning to ask the pleac author if he wants to merge efforts, pleac is barely alive, problem is the perl task descriptions are from the perl cookbook, which is a copyright issue for adding them to rosettacode
01:22 eMBee might have to ask o'reilly first
01:22 eMBee i don't think they'd open the license though
01:25 eMBee or all perl cookbok tasks get rewritten, a lot of effort...
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01:53 mikemol eMBee: I'd start by asking the Perl Cookbook author.
01:54 mikemol If the author of the Perl Cookbook will relicense his "tasks" under the GFDL 1.2, then it's trivial to include them on RC.
01:54 sorear does the author retain the authority to do that?
01:55 mikemol He retains copyright of his works. AFAIK, O'Reilly doesn't push for copyright assignment.
01:55 mikemol Open question about publishing rights, but that depends on his contract with O'Reilly.
01:56 mikemol If O'Reilly as a whole reflects Tim O'Reilly's philosophies, then I don't think O'Reilly (if asked) would want to stand in the way of such a relicensing arrangement.
01:57 mikemol It all comes down to asking the original author, though.
01:57 * sorear does not know Tim O'Reilly
01:57 mikemol If you're on Google+, it becomes pretty common to see posts by him getting reshared a bunch.
01:58 mikemol I think his philosophy relating to knowledge and literature sits somewhere in between Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond.
01:59 mikemol Probably closer to Cory Doctorow than either of those two.
02:00 mikemol (That implies a two-dimensional space, obviously)
02:01 sorear haha
02:01 mikemol I'm serious. :)
02:01 TimToady you should know that Tim O'Reilly sponsored the summit at which the term "Open Source" was adopted :)
02:02 * sorear hasn't read enough Cory Doctorow to find a reason for revulsion yet
02:02 mikemol I've not read any of CD's published stuff, but I used to follow BoingBoing.
02:02 mikemol Of the names bandied about, I'm closest to ESR.
02:03 * mikemol is trying hard not to tip this into a full discussion of political philosophy, particularly in a publicly-logged channel. ^^
02:04 TimToady Well, I'd say they all prefer to look at open source as a gift economy, and shy away from the more "religious" views of RMS
02:04 sorear probably if *anyone* tells me enough about themselves I'll find something very offputting...
02:04 TimToady just avoid telling yourself too much about yourself :P
02:04 mikemol While I think O'Reilly, culturally, is likely to be open to PCB's relicensing, there is the pragmatic concern that it's still a business, and business projections depend in part on established contracts.
02:05 TimToady yes, sometimes Tim comes down on the "economy" side of it more than the "gift" side :)
02:06 TimToady but his company is still going, and that's more than you can say for a lot of other companies
02:07 mikemol I was thinking of a different second axis than that, but I like talking about that one more. :)
02:09 TimToady oops, forgot to cook dinner...
02:09 TimToady afk &
02:09 mikemol error: shell has no job control.
02:19 mikemol And even ignoring whether or not O'Reilly's OK with it, the copyright still rests with the original author.
02:20 mikemol Authors. Tom Christiansen and Nathan Torkington.
02:20 mikemol There is one other way to get the PLEAC code, I suspect.
02:21 mikemol Invent tasks which are not the same as in the Perl Cookbook, but which are close enough to the original spirit that the PLEAC code requires little modification, and the tasks are still useful.
02:22 mikemol The way to do that would probably be to look at each PLEAC code sample and ask, "what meaningful task would have this as an answer?"
02:22 mikemol Programmer "JEOPARDY!"
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14:33 * eMBee nods
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15:59 bearophile Hello
15:59 bearophile There is a new draft Task:  http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Total_Circles_Area
15:59 fedaykin "Total Circles Area - Rosetta Code"
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18:13 bearophile Hello
18:13 bearophile Now there are some solutions:  http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Total_Circles_Area
18:14 fedaykin "Total Circles Area - Rosetta Code"
18:41 mwn3d_phone That doesn't sound like the best name for it
18:41 mwn3d_phone Awww
18:41 TimToady wet area was the original metaphor
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18:43 Topic for #rosettacode is now Rosetta Code: Coding in (∞ - 1) languages ; http://irclog.perlgeek.de/rosettacode/today ; Pop a tab and stick around!
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