Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #rosettacode, 2012-09-27

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01:14 opticron lol, that's an interesting exchange
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01:28 sorear opticron: niang came into #sandiego.pm several minutes earlier and seems to have had absolutely no clue about either half of the channel name
01:28 sorear (pm=perl mongers group)
01:29 opticron heh
01:29 opticron I like "u can't help me poussy"
01:29 * sorear guesses opticron can guess what San Diego is
01:36 mwn3d_phone That's where they keep all the nice weather right?
01:38 sorear mwn3d_phone: thanks to global warming, all the nice weather has moved north.  This year has been nothing but heat waves broken up by wildfires.
01:39 opticron sorear, a whale's vagina?
01:40 sorear opticron: suprisingly, no.  it's a city in the corner of nowhere.
01:40 opticron actually, I hate san diego
01:40 opticron for a very particular reason
01:40 sorear me too
01:41 opticron my company bought a different company that's bases there
01:41 opticron we discoverd it's full of fucktards
01:41 sorear the weather sucks, the transit sucks, and there are about fifty programmers in the whole city
01:41 opticron and they're hard to deal with to boot!
01:42 sorear which company, dare I ask?
01:42 opticron I have actively wished for SD to slide into the ocean for the past 3 years
01:42 opticron SwitchVox
01:42 opticron bought by Digium
01:43 sorear if SD proper slides into the ocean, then I'll have a house on a cliff overlooking the beach, and then I'll have more tolerable weather *and* I'll still be safe from high water
01:43 sorear go for it
01:43 * opticron starts scheming
01:43 * sorear lives in La Mesa
01:44 opticron they make my life a living hell for a few months every year
01:45 opticron I'm bitter
01:45 opticron they use the promotional model for development
01:45 * sorear wonders where opticron is/is from
01:46 opticron both: Huntsville, AL
02:45 eMBee opticron: you work for digium? interesting.
02:46 opticron yep, swdev
02:46 * eMBee used to maintain an asterisk server for a client, including a digium isdn card
02:46 opticron also did a stint in tech support and prototype testing
02:47 eMBee and i used to live in san diego (but long before that, so no connection)
02:48 eMBee do you happen to know why digium stopped developing asterisk-gui?
03:00 opticron officially? no, assumed? it was easier to support freepbx-gui in their efforts than to maintain our own
03:00 opticron also, rpath sucks
04:09 eMBee ah? tell me more about rpath please
04:11 eMBee what i like about asterisk-gui is that it doesn't use two places to store configs (database and flat files)
04:12 opticron rpath is the OS that AsteriskNow is built on
04:13 eMBee yes, i was aware of that, what's wrong with it?
04:14 opticron it became a headache from a release management/upgrade perspective, iirc
04:15 eMBee thats odd, rpath is supposed to make release management/upgrade easier, so i wonder what went wrong
04:17 eMBee the only thing i can think of is that rpath was to slow moving with updating their packages
04:17 opticron to give you an idea of the how the dev team thinks of rpath, someone mentioned rpath in linux (library path stuff, not the OS) and half the room cringed
04:19 eMBee heh
04:19 opticron the half that did not had not be around long enough to have worked on AsteriskNOW
04:21 opticron eMBee, did you hear about Asterisk SCF?
04:22 eMBee scf? no
04:22 eMBee (and still, i'd love to know why they cringed :-)
04:23 opticron it was a newly developed/completely rearchitected switch platform with built-in redundancy capabilities
04:23 opticron eMBee, I don't know for sure, I was only tangentially involved in *NOW while I was testing prototype hardware'
04:24 opticron my gauge for the OS was its package manager
04:24 opticron also, development on *SCF was recently discontinued, much like *-gui
04:25 eMBee what's your thought on the package manager?
04:25 opticron I couldn't wrap my head around it
04:25 opticron yum and apt? no problem
04:26 eMBee ok
04:27 opticron hell, I understand git better than I understood conary
04:28 eMBee heh
04:29 opticron anyway, SCF went the same way as the gui, probably for the same reasons, developer availability
04:30 opticron the primary gui dev moved back to india and became essentially unavailable
04:31 opticron the dev team has recently experienced quite a bit of brain drain, 5 or so of the most senior devs gone within a year's time
04:31 opticron so we had to pull back on SCF
04:31 eMBee oh
04:32 eMBee do you think the package manager was the general problem for AsteriskNOW? or might there have been other issues that you didn't experience?
04:32 opticron I'm certain there were other issues
04:33 opticron if it was just the package manager, it would have been dealt with
04:34 eMBee makes sense, if you ever come across someone who wants to share more about that, please send them to me because i am really interested
04:34 opticron I can always ask in internal jabber tomorrow :)
04:35 eMBee if you don't mind, that would be nice
04:37 opticron you have extensive experience with rpath?
04:41 eMBee i am a member of the foresight linux dev team. foresight is built on rpath, but we are replacing the original rpath packages with our own...
04:41 opticron any particular reason?
04:41 opticron just need newer stuff?
04:42 eMBee yes, need newer stuff mostly
04:44 eMBee since foresight is a desktop distribution there are a lot more packages and some don't work with rpaths old gcc for example
04:45 opticron yeah, I tend to use trunk gcc on my dev/commit machine
04:45 opticron not like anything would have that as a package, though
04:46 * eMBee nods
04:46 opticron catches so much more warnings/errors than the packaged version on whatever system
04:46 opticron anyway, gotta be up in 6hrs for work, crash time
04:47 opticron later
04:47 eMBee i am not so involved with the core stuff, but i think gcc is one of the hardest to replace since it is tightly tied into conary i guess. but i understand that fl:3 the next major version of foresight is close, that will be rpath free (except for conary of course)
04:47 eMBee heh, lunch time here
04:47 eMBee thanks for the chat, very insightful
04:47 opticron same
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14:19 opticron eMBee, apparently we paid rPath to help us manage AsteriskNOW/train us on rPath and the experience went downhill quickly
14:19 opticron like a monolith to the core of jupiter
14:24 eMBee oh
14:24 opticron possibly more info later when more devs get online
14:25 eMBee cool
14:26 opticron there were also derrogatory comments toward the recipes/build system
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