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timotimo |
the rosettacode planit is apparently wildly out of date |
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timotimo |
planet* |
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mikemol |
timotimo: Indeed |
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mikemol |
I haven't been running the planetplanet software in ages. :-| |
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timotimo |
then axe it? :) |
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mikemol |
timotimo: So, here's the problem with your upload...it's cached by CloudFlare. Just give it a few hours, and the cache will expire. |
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timotimo |
hm, but how come people on the same network as me get the new version, but not me? |
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timotimo |
it would explain why i get the same wrongness with wget, though |
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timotimo |
oh, maybe they were getting it via ipv6, in which case they'd have an actually different IP from mine |
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mikemol |
Could be. |
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timotimo |
mikemol: i wonder if a custom CAPTCHA could be devised for rosettacode. maybe based on a "identify the language of this snippet" task? |
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mikemol |
timotimo: QuestyCaptcha could do that. |
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mikemol |
The problem with that approach is that it makes it very difficult for beginners. |
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mikemol |
And, frankly, its response could be scripted. |
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timotimo |
you mean scripted to "beat the captcha"? |
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timotimo |
i also see nothing wrong with adding "feel free to search rosettacode for the source of this code" or something to it |
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timotimo |
i don't expect someone would target rosettacode individually |
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mikemol |
Sure...but that's pretty easy to get around. |
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timotimo |
in my intuition it would be enough to make something that's easy to get around; like putting your ssh server on any port different from 22 |
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timotimo |
it would get rid of about 99% of spam, but serious attacks would still be successful; saving yourself from those requires serious effort anyway |
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mikemol |
timotimo: I don't know if you were monitoring the channel a few weeks back, but while we were undergoing another spam flood, every time I described (in here) the measures I was taking, countermeasures were employed within hours. |
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mikemol |
Even when I left misleading information in here, it was acted on. |
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timotimo |
i wasn't |
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timotimo |
oh, what. |
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timotimo |
that's crazy |
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timotimo |
is rosettacode such a profitable target? or are there just so ridiculously many spammers out there? |
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mikemol |
And when I was looking to employ firewall-based countermeasures, I discovered it was under a SYN flood attack. |
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timotimo |
isn't a SYN flood just denial of service? why would that be profitable at all? |
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sorear |
timotimo: a kind of denial of service |
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mikemol |
I think it's at least partly a profitable target; it's fairly prominent among search engine results. And if you watch the fake user pages being created in the last week or so, the content has started morphing to try to mimick what a hobbyist/professional programmer might leave. |
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sorear |
timotimo: historical TCP implementations often used a small (10ish) fixed size buffer for pending SYNs, so if you send a bunch of SYNs to a host and then ignore the replies it becomes unable to accept any new connections |
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timotimo |
"How To Deal With Drug Issues" - sounds about right! :P |
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mikemol |
There are at least three spammer profiles hitting RC right now. That's one of them. |
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mikemol |
Another is the hobby/professional "hi, I'm so and so" |
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mikemol |
The third is some generic spambot that hasn't noticed that adding links to pages triggers another captcha. |
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timotimo |
oh, didn't even see captchas yet on the whole site (that must mean the site deems my contributions hammy enough) |
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timotimo |
is there a way to filter out events from spammers on the RecentChanges page perhaps? |
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timotimo |
AFK for a few minutes; gotta run catch a tram |
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mwn3d |
timotimo: once we delete the pages the old edits should disappear |
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mwn3d |
I think there are options to filter out "log" changes which should remove block and delete log entries |
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timotimo |
ah, indeed; i didn't look back far enough |
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mikemol |
timotimo: CAPTCHAs are triggered by a few things...but one of the most effective ones is when a link is added to a page. |
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mwn3d |
External link |
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* mikemol |
nods |
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timotimo |
i suppose spam is a form of flattery |
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timotimo |
congratulations on making rosettacode grow so big, btw |
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mikemol |
:) |
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TimToady |
it would be faster to clean up if the dialogs defaulted to indefinite, spam, and vandalism |
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timotimo |
is there a "block multiple users"/"delete multiple pages" functionality? |
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timotimo |
that might be even nicer. have a list of all users, most recently created first, with a row of checkboxes |
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TimToady |
or set something up such that your first few changes are quaranteened until moderated |
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timotimo |
can quick responses be kind-of-sort-of guaranteed? so that quaranteen doesn't last longer than a few hours in the regular case? |
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mikemol |
I agree; the default values are a pain. |
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mikemol |
Though, frankly, I'd rather drop an 'indefinite' ban on the username and 30 or 90-day bans on the IP. |
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mikemol |
Indefinite bans on IPs seem like a bad idea in the IPv4 space. *Especially* with CGN coming in. |
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mikemol |
I believe there's a mechanism within MediaWiki which can be used for review. There's certainly a "review" feature, but I don't know if it can be applied to quarantine. |
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mikemol |
Of course, then you run into a problem of edit merges if you have edits from multiple people on the same page. MW gets around that at the moment by bouncing edits on stale data, but making that apply to edits on pages with pre-existing review-pending edits would be a direct avenue to a DoS attack on specific pages. |
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embee |
one page per solution would help with that |
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embee |
but that would be a major revamp |
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mikemol |
It's a revamp we tried to figure out how to do with the aid of semantic mediawiki; the task pages as we see them would be assembled by a semantic query for all example pages meeting the task requirements. |
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mikemol |
As I recall, we tried to do it with the [[Hough transform]] task. And as I recall, Coderjoe ran into bugs in Semantic MediaWiki. |
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fedaykin |
http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Hough_transform |
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embee |
oh, i wasn't aware of that |
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mikemol |
It's a revamp I'd love to see accomplished. Being able to organize data that way would massively expand the power of RC as a resource. |
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embee |
hmpf, my isp is intercepting dns queries, making them fail for rosettacode.org and redirect to an advertizing page. i have no idea why |
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mikemol |
You could group things by language. Or by language idiom. Or by whatever else examples got tagged with. |
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embee |
so is the problem to split the pages or to reassemble them after they are split? |
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mwn3d |
The SMW would take a long time to run I think |
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mwn3d |
And there would be a lot of work to move the examples out to their own pages and get the links to work |
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